Every former cabinet bod is running by the looks of it. I heard the 1922 Committee wanted to set some rules to make sure that didn't happen, but Kemi Badenoch just announced her bid so I think that ship's sailed.
She's basically the wrong sort of sociopath for Politics - an overt one. Should have taken notice of what Dorries (the other useless Scouse Tory) was saying about Gove, clearly the Mastermind of everything since he sneaked his way into Channel 4 - another enemy of Dorries. Anyway, with a bit of luck, we'll also get a book from Arse Uella chronicling the next greatest Anime Betrayal of our generation by her Idol.
>>98148 Technically Sunak didn't run against anyone in the 2022 October leadership campaign. However, in a fit of psychopathy Johnson returned to put his grubby feelers out and Mordaunt was almost going to run until it was obvious she wouldn't win, needlessly dragging out the second leadership contest that year. So whilst there wasn't a campaign in the usual sense, MPs did have to be convinced to make the lad with the tiny suits and tens-of-thousands of COVID-19 deaths on his hands PM.
As for Braverman's "resignation" letter, it sounds as if it's over the top for the Tory far-right once the judges have shitcanned the Rwanda plan. There is quite a bit of hoping and assuming on my part; hope that the Tories go completely ape and assuming that's what the judges rule tomorrow. Regardless, by next Chrismas I'm confident the entire battalion will be rotting in the mud.
>>98215 After the general election, I'm afraid. We've got Rishi till he loses. Let's face it: any Conservative MP that manages to hold onto their seat in the upcoming Labour landslide deserves to be party leader.
>>98226 Elf is a shit movie and I don't know why it's being spammed absolutely everywhere this year. It has to be a conspiracy. One that apparently goes all the way to the top.
Sorry if this makes you feel old, but the people who watched that film as children are now old enough to be employed as social media campaign managers.
>>98230 They didn't necessarily watch it when it came out. The Great Escape came out in 1963, and that's on Channel 4 right now, teaching a whole new generation of children where the music from England matches comes from.
>>98227 I've never watched this fucking film because as far as I can tell the entire thing is Will Ferrell obnoxiously screaming in an elf suit. Yet it's constantly being pushed to me as a classic. Bizarre.
It's got to be a generational thing. I was a teenager when it came out, I must have been about 13-16 because it was during the era you'd still get knock off DVDs and we didn't have fast enough internet to just pirate everything ourselves yet. I'm guessing that puts me just too old to feel nostalgic for it, but people just a couple of years younger than me are smack bang in the age range.
Besides I have never liked Will Ferrel. He exemplifies everything bad about American humour, to me. It's very obvious humour that beats you over the head to make sure you get it, which I suppose isn't a problem for very dim, simple people, but puts me off because I'm the kind of cunt who likes Stewart Lee.
Young people these days are just like that, though, aren't they.
I know that everyone's tired of hearing me say that I want her to stamp on my bollocks and call me a worthless piece of shit, but it's not my fault that she keeps making that face.
It was funny hearing at the weekend that Suella has gracefully pulled out. I'm sure it has nothing to do with shitting all over her colleagues and then finding out that as a result nobody supported her. She has, of course, given her own account that the Tories are meanies and everything would work out if only everyone listened to her:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/07/28/suella-braverman-no-point-leading-conservative-party/
My money is on Patel who has played the long-game by being quiet on the backbenches. Kemi will drop the ball by leaning too far into culture war and Mel Stride will ultimately come in a distant second.
>>99769 >All I know of him is he radiates the vibes of the old government
Thanks for letting us know early into your post about how your uninformed wish list is. It's a shame you also posted in the wrong thread.
>>99771 Braverman may well be one of the funniest characters British politics has produced. At least now she's a million miles from government, anyway. An Indo-British, Enoch Powell, who's constant hyping by the demented right-wing print media made her both indispensable and a complete liability to the Conservatives. I find it genuinely hard to believe she was Home Secretary less than a year ago.
I, too, rekcon Patel might be in with the best chance. However, according to The Guardian "Patel has vowed to give grassroots members a greater say in how their party is run", which is a bit like giving the foxes a say in how the chickens are protected. If she wins and carries through with that idea she's going to spend the next 5 years banging on about eliminating inheritance tax and the looming threat of the fifteen minute city. Although, every other person I meet these days has absorbed some kind of conspiracy theory through their phone that "they" want to carry out, so perhaps it'll be a winner after all.
>>99773 My bi-annual defense of a Tory, this time around, is that the Dark Angel has had it's base decorated. However, as it hasn't had it's sword painted, it stands to reason that Cleverly takes an asymetric route to finishing his minis, meaning he could well be on his way to basing the Ultramarine. Also if he wins I'll make that photo my Steam avi.
>>99780 We've tried general politics threads before and they are complete pants. If more than two news story of note happens within a week they become harder to keep track of than a B-2 stealth bomber on a cloudy, moonless, night. More than one debate is basically impossible and the chance for misunderstanding increases dramatically.
>>99781 >Although, every other person I meet these days has absorbed some kind of conspiracy theory through their phone that "they" want to carry out, so perhaps it'll be a winner after all.
I've seen quite a few pensioners complain that "Labour have started taxing the state pension" when in reality they mean that it is now greater than the income tax personal allowance. They won't listen to reason.
I'm going to propose we have a What Are Labour (the "government") Up To thread, but not start it til October so we can have Reeves holding The Briefcase as the front photo and the first 200 posts will be about how she's whacked taxes up 3 billion percent on stocklad's defence industry investments, watchlad's rolex collection, and vapeld's e-liquids.
Other political matters can have their own threads.
>>99915 >The former immigration minister Robert Jenrick topped the poll of MPs with 28 votes
Fucking hell! He might actually be my least-favourite one. I hate reactionary mong fascists quite a bit, but at least Priti Patel was fit and Kemi Badenoch seems to genuinely believe what she's saying.
I don't think there are any of those left - the one nation Tories have all stood down, lost their seats or drunk the kool-aid. Mel Stride is the least mental candidate in the leadership election and arguably the least mad Tory MP, but he's still quite mad. Obviously he's got no fucking chance, because the Tories are still in denial about why they lost and are busy convincing themselves that they just need to be even more mental.
>>99920 I'd say so. The "reasonable minds" wing was mostly illusory in the first place. Any power or influence they held was entirely fleeting, Cameronism was the aberration and now they're back to "normal".
>The former immigration minister Robert Jenrick finished top with 33 votes, with Kemi Badenoch second on 28 votes.
>James Cleverly and Tom Tugendhat got 21 votes each from Tory MPs, leaving Mel Stride with the fewest votes on 16.
I suspect it will come down to Rubber Jenitals and K-Badz as the final two. How awful.
>James Cleverly leapt into the lead with 39 votes, jumping from third place at the last vote, after what was seen as a strong performance at last week's Conservative Party conference.
>Former immigration minister Robert Jenrick came in second with 31 votes - losing two votes on last time. Kemi Badenoch came a close third with 30 votes - up two from the last round. Tugendhat received 20 votes.
>The candidates have no time to rest as MPs will select the final two tomorrow
I guess I'll be posting another update in 24 hours, then. Just as long as it's not Jenrick. I hate him so much.
>>100151 "Ethnics" tend to not be very left wing, they only generally vote for left wing parties because the right wing ones have a reputation for being racist (and I'm not going to argue about whether they actually are racist or not because you could put it any which way, really).
>>100151 My theory has always been that the Conservatives want to have some racists on show, to attract racist voters, but white Conservatives aren't allowed to be racist so they need to promote people who are simultaneously non-white, eager to advance their careers, and not big fans of immigration.
Exactly, it's purely for optics, it's a simple "look we can't be racist look how many browns we've got" smokescreen so they can keep on being racist; although by racist we really mean being overtly anti-foreign, but behind closed doors thoroughly pro-foreign because it keeps wages down. Bit of a double bluff, I suppose.
Which again, shows the hollowness of the identity politics the liberal part of the left always harps on about, because obviously when there's money in it said browns have absolutely no qualms throwing their own kind under the bus. Almost like the colour of their skin doesn't matter at all and only money and status does. Imagine that.
The membership will decide between Badenoch and Jenrick, so I guess that's the end for the party. Respect to Sunak for being the last Conservative Party PM, I suppose.
>One Nation Tory group refuses to back Badenoch or Jenrick in party leadership race
Holy shit, this is massive. A dozen irrelevant also-rans just voiced an opinion not even their own party give a fuck about.
>>100158 It's still a decent chunk of the party as a whole, it's just that most of the MPs of that tendency lost their seats because karma is a cunt sometimes.
>>100158 >A dozen irrelevant also-rans just voiced an opinion
So you're saying the One Nation will soon become the new ERG and forever propel Britain in the direction of radical centrism? I quite like a bit of carrot and hummus so it might be alright.
Baddenoch's won. I think it's going to take her about two months before she does something incredibly off-putting to the median British voter that she can never row back from. However, I'm in a generous mood so perhaps I'm mistaken.
>>100414 I think it's time to bring back phrases like "Uncle Tom" and "coconut".
>>100415 I don't think she's going to make any terrible gaffes. I am properly delighted that she's won. She's more competent than Robert Jenrick in every way, plus she will hopefully continue to be such a swivel-eyed fascist that nobody votes for her. She's a leader who can win back votes from Reform by listening to them, while Robert Jenrick would have been a leader who would just become Reform. And yet there's still a chance that the Conservative Party can still implode completely and finally cease to exist.
>>100418 I'm not predicting a full-blown gaffe, as such. I think Badenoch will struggle to hide her religiousity and her, dare I say, Trussite economic views. More and more they'll be exposed and I think they're opinions so out of step with the mainstream she'll wind up stuck with a bad rep. It's obviously not exactly how things will play out, but broadly her biggest issue will be being a God-botherer, with economic positions that couldn't look more discredited if they got hauled into a police station on charges of being completely crap and unworkable.
The pandemic (and the effects of 14 years of austerity making themselves undeniably clear) have fundamentally changed politics in this country. Furlough and the energy support scheme habituated voters to absolutely vast state intervention. Most people didn't really notice or care when it was the poor bearing the brunt of cuts, but they definitely care now that they can't get a GP appointment and the roads look like the surface of the moon.
The electorate want the impossible - American levels of taxation with European levels of public services. The next election will come down to how the parties square that circle. If Labour can make meaningful improvements to public services, they'll be in a strong position to argue "we put your taxes up, but look at what you got in return", which most of the electorate might grudgingly accept. Even if things have only improved a bit, they still stand an outside chance of selling the idea that they've got us through the hard bit and the sunlit uplands are just around the corner.
A populist leader could cause a lot of trouble for Labour by just bullshitting the electorate and claiming that they can have everything they want through mythical "efficiency savings" or by scapegoating dole scum or foreigners. The risk for Badenoch is that she'll be too honest, that she'll fly her right-of-Thatcher flag too proudly and make it clear that she wants a much smaller state. That'll go down well in the Home Counties, but it'll be a fucking disaster in the red wall.
Honestly I think we've gotten the populism out of our system now.
It's like I said long ago, and people doubted me, but I feel very well that I have been vindicated- Brexit will lance the boil. It more or less did. We had Bodger as the populist British Trump type figure, backing Brexit and making some vaguely lefty economic noises wrapped in conservative imagery, and he got the absolute landslide that anyone with half an ounce of understanding or experience with the British working class had known for years that such a strategy would. If it wasn't for the fact he turned out to be such a catastrophic fuck up, he might still be in office today.
I was saying for ages, the British public aren't voting for Brexit and the Conservatives because they were just crazy about re-heated Thatcherism, but the growing undercurrent of resentment to European integration and, in the bigger picture, globalism. With Brexit and Bodger we had a violent bout of diarrhoea that relieved years of constipation. People wanted to return to something more sensible much sooner but were never given the opportunity, because the loonies took over the asylum for a while after that.
Covid was a contributory factor of course, I don't want to just sound like I'm dismissing everything you said. Without covid it might have taken another couple of years for the rank incompetence to be seen for what it was. But I think we were heading this direction either way.
>>100419 I actually wonder how far the god-bothering will knock her back - she could easily be the candidate who wins the black urban vote given the undercurrent of evangelicalism there. Couple that with the current budget being a bit optimistic for the OBR and the risk of a serious global recession and you have a recipe for the floor opening underneath Labour.
>>100422 I suspect the disappearance of One Nation Tories and the emergence of Reform might put a hole in your theory. We're certainly nowhere near as bad as Europe at the minute when it comes to the far-right.
>I think it's time to bring back phrases like "Uncle Tom" and "coconut".
Dawn Butler has already come out and called her a house negro. Meanwhile James Cleverly seems to be doing a spot of trolling calling Kier "pale male and stale".
I swear to fucking god you lot never listen to me when I go on about how idpol is a pointless waste of neurons but just look at the state of all this. Can you honestly give a single reason why I'm wrong. You can't. It's pure fucking brainrot. All of it.
See, not a "full-blown gaffe", but besides her political opinions Baddenoch has to be right all the time. This is exactly the kind of thing a party leader would usually be willing to eat shit on, because dying on the hill of Partygate is just fucking stupid, especially on day three of being the Alpha Tory. Maybe I'll live to regret this when she has me sent to the spice mines after she's seized power, but I'm not worried about Kemi.
