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>> No. 96261 Anonymous
8th July 2022
Friday 10:25 pm
96261 Tory Leadership Breakdown (2022)
Who's gonna' win? Who's gonna' lose?

Every former cabinet bod is running by the looks of it. I heard the 1922 Committee wanted to set some rules to make sure that didn't happen, but Kemi Badenoch just announced her bid so I think that ship's sailed.
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>> No. 96262 Anonymous
8th July 2022
Friday 10:43 pm
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These are the faces people trust to keep a lid on immigration.
>> No. 96263 Anonymous
8th July 2022
Friday 11:18 pm
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Alright, sorry, everyone, I didn't know a weirdo would instantly appear when I made this thread. I should have, but I didn't.
>> No. 96264 Anonymous
8th July 2022
Friday 11:26 pm
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>>96262

And that's a good thing. The conservative voter base might vote for a woman, but there's no chance they'll vote for a brown. Starmer will walk it.

Thank fuck for identity politics.
>> No. 96265 Anonymous
9th July 2022
Saturday 1:07 am
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>>96264
I can assure you they will. Liz Truss can't say foreigners are all rapists and parasites, because that's not PC, but all these Uncle Toms who grew up in mud huts throwing spears at aeroplanes can say absolutely anything they want. Whitey will have to fight this election with one hand behind his or her back.

But of course, the next Prime Minister will actually be Ben Wallace, because he is almost entirely scandal-free and has so far only ever been on the news when he's been heroic and great. And his skin tone is like if Mumford & Sons released their own brand of milk.
>> No. 96266 Anonymous
9th July 2022
Saturday 1:28 am
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Tom Tugendhat: Silly name, looks like a carpet-bagger, 20/1
Suella Braverman: Has the exact demeanour of a woman whose mid-life crisis involves Pascal White, 40/1
Liz Truss: Acts like a primary school teacher with a mild brain injury, 8/1
Steve Baker: Clever but weird, looks like a disgraced financial advisor, too Brexity for the Brexiteers, 20/1
Rishi Sunak: Has spent too much/not enough money, is ruining the economy by not cutting/not raising taxes enough, 6/1
Sajid Javid: Slightly brown goblin, 10/1
Nadhim Zahawi: Slightly brown Alan Sugar, 14/1
Jeremy Hunt: Wrecked the NHS, 20/1
Penny Mordaunt: Big tits, Backs Our Brave Boys and Brexit, slightly too sexy for her own good, 5/1
Ben Wallace: One of Our Brave Boys, wept for Our Brave Boys when the Americans betrayed us, reassuringly bald, 2/1
All the rest: 66/1 bar
>> No. 96267 Anonymous
9th July 2022
Saturday 1:32 am
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>>96266
I always think of Nadhim Zahawi as Rishi Sunak's evil twin. Ideologically, they're pretty much the same. They're both slimy climbers of the worst possible sort. But Nadhim Zahawi is bald and has a goatee, like all evil twins.
>> No. 96268 Anonymous
9th July 2022
Saturday 1:36 am
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>>96265

>I can assure you they will.

I don't think so. The conservative vote is facing a demographic crisis. I'm looking into the tea leaves a bit here, but I grew up amongst these sorts of people, and every time I talk to my mum it's like channelling the noosphere of Red Wall Britain directly.

Just imagine. The voters the Tories have been in power on the back of for the last ten years have been people who "wouldn't normally vote conservative", who were largely doing it for no other reason than the bellyfeels about immigrants (which is rooted in the real life supply vs demand effect of labour oversupply but that's a tangent we needn't necessarily go down in order to understand). They got what they wanted, they got Brexit done, the massive 2019 mandate Bozza kept banging on about was entirely rooted in the public's desire to just get it over with, and now it is over with.

So the Conservatives were going to have to pull something special out of the hat in order to actually keep those voters around regardless of any other circumstances. All that talk of levelling up and what have you- People would need to have seen they were actually getting something to stick with the Tories rather than just opportunistically siding with them until were were out of the EU's evil scheming clutches. That was always unlikely, even if the government as elected in 2019 had had the absolute best intentions of actually delivering on it- And look what's happened since then. Nothing but pissing directly in the faces of those very voters for nearly three full years.

HS2 northern leg cancelled. Not a single one of those 40 hospitals has appeared. Pisstaking parties, scandal after scandal. Massive inflation. Petrol prices through the roof. Heating prices through the roof. Everyone on strike. And after all that, if all of that wasn't already enough, they want to give us a laplander as PM?

These people will never vote Tory again.
>> No. 96269 Anonymous
9th July 2022
Saturday 2:01 am
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>>96268
Oh, they're definitely not winning the next election. The Conservative Party, that is. But I would suggest that all the Red Wall voters who wouldn't normally vote Conservative probably aren't paid-up members of the party, so they won't be involved in this leadership election. You know them in real life and I don't, so perhaps I am wrong on that, but I think they will be largely ignored during the selection of the next party leader. This will probably mean more targeting of the traditional Daily Telegraph types; the candidate who best appeals to those people will be leader, because only those people will be voting this time. This was always Boris's quandary: he had to please everyone who voted for him, and so many people voted for him that he not only had to appeal to the leafy retired homeowners, but he also had to simultaneously be the man the traditional Labour voters wanted. He had to be Conservative and Labour at the same time, and this is why the party has descended into such massive internal conflict. Perhaps the Conservative membership will take into account their next leader's Norf appeal, but the demographics of the only people voting for the leader are far more Radio 4 than Talksport on this occasion.
>> No. 96270 Anonymous
9th July 2022
Saturday 2:10 am
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>>96268

>These people will never vote Tory again.

They were never going to vote Tory again, regardless of the next Tory leader. The question is whether they're ever going to vote again. The kind of people who voted Tory for the first time in 2019 aren't necessarily aware that Labour and the Conservatives are different things, or that the Conservatives have been in power for the last 12 years.

Savile is probably coming back. He'll split the Tory vote, but I'm not sure that's a price worth paying to have to look at his odious face.
>> No. 96271 Anonymous
9th July 2022
Saturday 2:35 am
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>>96269

Follow the posts back ladm9, the original claim was about how the public won't vote for a brown in a GE, not that the conservative membership won't choose a brown as leader.
>> No. 96272 Anonymous
9th July 2022
Saturday 2:59 am
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>>96268
>The voters the Tories have been in power on the back of for the last ten years have been people who "wouldn't normally vote conservative"
This seems slightly idealistic. If you look back before Blair, the natural state of the country is to vote Conservative. People who don't normally vote Conservative are, traditionally, irrelevant unless they do something mad like vote SNP, or unless Conservative voters go Liberal or Labour in sufficient numbers to let Labour slip in. The government might've annoyed the red wall, but the whole point of the red wall seats was that they were places Labour tended to have held since Chamberlain was going on about peace in our time and that didn't stop Churchill or Macmillan or Thatcher or Major.

Now on the flipside: Maybe there's a demographic I'm overlooking, the of cases like Kensington-going-Red that Labour've been building up, which means we've quietly broken with our traditional distribution of votes in a way that stands to Labour's longer term advantage. If that happens (or, indeed, has been happening) then the Tories need to pick up traditional Labour seats to offset the losses.
(Actually, it'd be interesting to know which traditionally blue seats, if any, went red in 1997 and stayed that way from then on.)
>> No. 96273 Anonymous
9th July 2022
Saturday 3:48 am
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>>96272

>This seems slightly idealistic. If you look back before Blair, the natural state of the country is to vote Conservative. People who don't normally vote Conservative are, traditionally, irrelevant unless they do something mad like vote SNP, or unless Conservative voters go Liberal or Labour in sufficient numbers to let Labour slip in.

The traditional logic of elections has been completely upended, but not everyone has realised it, least of all people in the media.

In the 1980s, you could reliably predict how someone would vote based on what their dad did for work. There were exceptions of course, but if your dad was a brickie you'd almost certainly vote for Labour and if your dad was an accountant you'd almost certainly vote Tory. That's no longer true - there's now almost no connection between traditional markers of social class and how people vote.

The biggest predictors now are age and level of education. Young people with degrees overwhelmingly vote Labour, older people without degrees overwhelmingly vote Tory. That creates a cities/towns split based on human geography - young people who go to university in a city tend to stay there. Dominic Cummings figured this out years before most people in politics, which was key to winning both the 2016 referendum and the 2019 general election.

Corbyn gets blamed for Labour's defeat in 2019, but he is much more of a symptom than a cause. It wasn't that Corbyn alienated core Labour voters - he represented what is now the core Labour vote, namely younger people with degrees. He alienated people who might have been core Labour voters twenty years ago but are now leaning heavily Tory. Setting aside the problems specific to Corbyn, Labour failed to recognise this shift and campaigned with the wrong messages in the wrong places, winning votes they didn't need and losing votes that they did. Cummings recognised that places like Workington and Leigh weren't Labour strongholds any more and would be easy pickings for the Tories if they just put the bare minimum of effort into trying to gain them.

The inverse of this is that a lot of wealthy suburbs in the south east are creeping towards Labour's demographic. They might have been solid Tory seats since time immemorial, but young professionals moving out of London are starting to make those seats look more like Islington. If Labour catch on to this and the next Tory leadership doesn't, they could pick up dozens of seats easily by simply recognising that they're now winnable.

That electoral strategy might not be very appealing to die-hard socialists, but that's the point - you can't win an election by making yourself even more popular amongst your hardcore loyalists, because everyone only gets one vote. You can only win an election by having broad appeal and the easiest people for Labour to win over are educated, cosmopolitan, pro-European voters who are small-c conservatives, always used to vote Tory but feel alienated from a party that is increasingly populist and nationalist. Labour are looking very strong going into the next election, but they have a clear path to a landslide if they recognise that their key battlegrounds aren't where everyone thinks.
>> No. 96276 Anonymous
9th July 2022
Saturday 7:51 am
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My dark horse is Tobias "Westminster Attack Hero" Ellwood, but I'm hoping it's Mordaunt for obvious reasons.

They've both got better military credentials than baldy.
>> No. 96277 Anonymous
9th July 2022
Saturday 10:09 am
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>>96276
Is he even running? I guess most of them are. A quick a scan doesn't reveal him to be a complete loon, which is all I'm hoping to avoid. I've no idea how the Tory leadership contest actually works, but I think they can the no-hopers as it goes along, right? I don't think one of the nuttier ones can win with 8% because the field's so packed, but Christ knows right now. We're hurtling towards a financial crisis, caused by an already present cost of living crisis, no matter who wins, the least we can do is avoid some culture war shitehawk or religious freak presiding over it all. If anyone thinks I want to talk about the council's bogs while my diabetic nan's worried about turning the central heating on I'll glass them; .gs poster, prime minister, I'll get them.
>> No. 96279 Anonymous
9th July 2022
Saturday 1:51 pm
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Ben Wallace has decided not to run for leader after all: https://twitter.com/BWallaceMP/status/1545732698567737344

I'd just like to admire his 4D chess move to pull out and leave only nutters to ruin the party in the long term. What a great man he is.
>> No. 96280 Anonymous
9th July 2022
Saturday 2:57 pm
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>>96266
You might want to look at the whole 'lemon curd' connection with Jeffrey Archer. Nadhim Zahawi won't be PM.

>>96268
>HS2 northern leg cancelled. Not a single one of those 40 hospitals has appeared. Pisstaking parties, scandal after scandal. Massive inflation. Petrol prices through the roof. Heating prices through the roof. Everyone on strike. And after all that, if all of that wasn't already enough, they want to give us a laplander as PM?

You're nearly there. They know people so desperately want things but they also know they would be fools to actually let the donkey have the carrot. I do question how much wasn't delivered simply because of arguments between No10 and No11 over the balance sheet but in the grand scheme of things you really have to wonder why anyone votes.

>The conservative vote is facing a demographic crisis

Never heard those words before.

>>96277
Why is your diabatic nan flicking the heating on during a heatwave?
>> No. 96281 Anonymous
9th July 2022
Saturday 4:02 pm
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>>96280
>Why is your diabatic nan flicking the heating on during a heatwave?
Do you think the leadership contest will be over within a week or something? I'm talking about the future of government.
>> No. 96282 Anonymous
9th July 2022
Saturday 4:32 pm
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ARE Priti has started to lay out her policy successes on twitter
https://twitter.com/pritipatel

Imagine it, our American friends will surely celebrate a woman of colour becoming Prime Minister as a victory against racism and the patriarchy.
>> No. 96283 Anonymous
9th July 2022
Saturday 4:58 pm
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>>96281
1.5 weeks.
>The Conservative Party committee overseeing the contest to select British Prime Minister Boris Johnson's replacement will look to whittle it down to two names by July 20, one of its members said on Saturday.
https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uks-conservative-party-looking-speed-up-leadership-contest-committee-member-2022-07-09/
>> No. 96284 Anonymous
9th July 2022
Saturday 5:24 pm
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>>96283
>"I think that we will be able to frame a process to actually come up with two names by the time parliament goes down on the 20th of July," he said. "We should have an answer by the time of the party conference in October and maybe before that."
I've sent texts longer than that article, you clown. The least you could do is finish reading it before acting like you can inform anyone about what's going on. On the plus side you have displayed the required intellectual rigour to secure a mid-level cabinet position, congrats.

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/tory-leadership-election-when-contest-start-how-long-contenders-explained-1730986?ico=in-line_link
>It is thought that the timetable, agreed by the 1922 Committee and Tory Party HQ, could see Mr Johnson replaced as leader by early September, despite initial suggestions that he could remain in place until October.
>i reported that Sir Graham is likely to recommend a quicker timetable, with a six-week leadership contest that would finish when Parliament returns from recess.
>This would mean the election is a similar length to the process to replace Theresa May in 2019, which took about 40 days.
>> No. 96285 Anonymous
9th July 2022
Saturday 5:35 pm
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Zawahi looks like an evil professor from a Marvel film, and for that reason I shan't be voting for him.
>> No. 96286 Anonymous
9th July 2022
Saturday 5:55 pm
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>>96283
Is it just me or does Liz Truss look like a bit Thatchery in that picture?
>> No. 96287 Anonymous
9th July 2022
Saturday 6:15 pm
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These people look more like the cast of a low effort ITV knock-off of The Apprentice than rulers of a country. I really can't imagine how they're going to cling to power after this.

Has there ever been a faster turnaround from overwhelming majority to absolute shambles in British politics?
>> No. 96288 Anonymous
9th July 2022
Saturday 7:46 pm
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>>96286
She certainly looks absolutely nothing like Liz Truss, although I don't really get Thatcher vibes. If she looks like anyone, it's Fanny Cradock.
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9th July 2022
Saturday 8:31 pm
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Wallace is out, so it looks like our next PM will have big knockers and an air of sexual intrigue.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62106884
>> No. 96290 Anonymous
9th July 2022
Saturday 9:01 pm
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>>96287
Gordon Brown if you do some creative accounting with inherited majorities, but that's about it. He's managed to underperform May, Callaghan and Heath.
>> No. 96291 Anonymous
10th July 2022
Sunday 9:57 am
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Zahawi's under investigation for dodgy tax dealings. It's all falling into place for Mordaunt.
>> No. 96292 Anonymous
10th July 2022
Sunday 10:05 am
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Are any of our intrepid newsheads asking Shapps about all that bullying-until-suicide he enabled and the scams he used to run, pretended he didn't, and then copped to it anyway? You'd think the Conservatives would be able to have at most one two-bit crook currently sitting as or competing to be the next PM, but remarkably that's beyond them.
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10th July 2022
Sunday 10:44 am
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I'm going to say it: I don't fancy Penny Mordaunt. She's oddly wide, not like she's fat but just like she's been stretched sideways somehow.

But then, Suella Braverman pronounces her own name wrong, and Kemi Badenoch isn't fit at all, so I guess that only leaves Liz Truss among the lady candidates.
>> No. 96294 Anonymous
10th July 2022
Sunday 11:21 am
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>>96293
It's ultimately a vote on whether the nation prefers tits (Mordaunt) or arse (Patel).
>> No. 96295 Anonymous
10th July 2022
Sunday 12:29 pm
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The Tory leadership process is a bit weird: the MPs whittle it down to the top two candidates, and then the party members get to vote on them.

This leads to some odd incentives, as this article in the Spectator points out:
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/how-the-tories-can-avoid-a-leadership-election-stitch-up

Everyone agrees that Jeremy Hunt has no chance, which means that everyone wants him to be on the ballot, along with their preferred candidate.

So it's really not that much about who will be popular with the gammons in the shires - it will come down to whoever the MPs choose amongst themselves, plus a no-hoper.
>> No. 96296 Anonymous
10th July 2022
Sunday 7:08 pm
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Why do the all keep mentioning woke? Is it some massive issue that I am not aware of? And what does it really mean? Just stuff like toilets for transsexuals and that sort? I'm so confused that I started suspecting that I am in a comedy simulation.
>> No. 96297 Anonymous
10th July 2022
Sunday 7:20 pm
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>>96296
Woke is the latest version of PC gawn mad. Why come up with anything of substance when you can stand against something as nebulous as woke nonsense? It's not like they can outright say "there's too many black people on the TV these days."
>> No. 96298 Anonymous
10th July 2022
Sunday 7:25 pm
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>>96296
They can't say they've worked wonders with the economy, because they haven't. They can't coast to victory on having Got Brexit Done™, because the centrists won that one and it changed absolutely nothing. Nothing has been levelled up, and yet taxes haven't gone down. There was some Prime Minister many decades ago, possibly in the 1960s, who was reelected basically by asking, "Are things better now than when I was first elected?", and it worked, because for a lot of people, they were.

But also, the intense reactionary disapproval towards letting a man in a dress go in the women's changing rooms at the swimming pool with your daughter is pretty much the only thing that all Conservative voters can agree on now. It's the base level of Conservatism. Start there, and worry about actual policies later, preferably once another candidate has announced their policies, and you've been able to gauge how popular they are. Don't act; react. It's exactly the level of leadership I would expect from these professional bootlickers.
>> No. 96299 Anonymous
10th July 2022
Sunday 7:29 pm
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>>96296
It doesn't really mean anything while gesturing at all sorts of things. Arrogant trendy uni students and their fancy diets. Gender neutral bathrooms. That one headline you half remember about "birthing persons". Labour councils not giving you black bin bags because it's racist. (I remember when that one was called political correctness.) The BBC letting people with comedy interpretations of regional accents speak. The highway code changing to give cyclists right of way. People being sacked for their tweets, not that you've ever had it to happen to anyone you personally know or moderated your own insane tweeting in response, but you know it's out there. Black Lives Matter. Keir Starmer's stupid voice. Women wearing trousers. The way all those adverts have weird multi racial families. When they made you wear a mask in the shop. 20 something women with an inflated sense of self-worth. That stupid corporate artstyle all the websites have nowadays that looks like a shit version of the deformed clipart people from Word 2003. That sickly feeling you get when you look at some hobby and find some gay bloke half your age but twice your skill level because you never really put the effort in.

Unless, of course, you like any of those things, or you don't think they fit with your personal interpretation of a general vibe, in which case that's not woke. Stare into the inkblot and tell me about your mum and dad, then vote for me to be Tory leader and I'll legislate so that you can fuck and kill 'em in whichever order you so please.
>> No. 96300 Anonymous
10th July 2022
Sunday 7:39 pm
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>>96296

It's the term adopted a few years ago by the intersectional liberal post-left. Like every other term they have adopted over the years, it quickly turned into a pejorative, because absolutely nobody likes them.

When used by a conservative, it's just a vague reactionary gesture towards fisherpersons (but not the TE flavour of fisherperson), trans people, BLM supporters, and so on.
>> No. 96301 Anonymous
10th July 2022
Sunday 8:38 pm
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>>96297
>Why come up with anything of substance when you can stand against something as nebulous as woke nonsense? It's not like they can outright say "there's too many black people on the TV these days."

Woke comes from the left though. The clue is in the positive term itself, to be 'woke' as opposed to asleep (and ignorant). It's not without good criticism as many 'woke' things are just a weird uncomfortable form of, if not racism then something else. And I quite like a good kip.

There's now a whole industry of people who spend all day coming up with this bollocks and popularising it. Terms like 'equity' replacing equality in a kind of slow unpicking of the enlightenment that normal people resent. It's easy to tap into this for political ends and relatively cheap to push against as it's almost entirely vacuous and melts under a microscope - for example when unconscious bias faced pushback and everyone realised it's a pseudoscience that called innocent people racists and whose creator never wanted it to be imposed in the workplace.

I'm losing my thread but when pitching to the Conservative Party you obviously want to be 1. Tax shy (although Rishi seems to be more pragmatic) 2. Willing to piss off vegan cyclists that want to nationalise your bathroom.

>>96298
What does any of this have to do with winning a party election?
>> No. 96302 Anonymous
10th July 2022
Sunday 9:05 pm
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All of this. The thing people forget is that the candidates are being whittled down by the current crop of Tory MPs, and the final decision between two will be made by fully paid-up Tory members.

Basically, in order to understand the forces involved, imagine that the head of the Department of Health was up for election, but only meth addicts get to vote. Suddenly, most of the candidates promising free meth makes sense.
>> No. 96303 Anonymous
10th July 2022
Sunday 9:18 pm
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>>96301
I could have sworn that "woke" was, for at least a time, some weird conspiracy thing. I remember videos on YouTube of the rapper Vinnie Paz, who is roughly on a par with David Icke once he gets going, and all the comments were praising him for being woke to how the world really is, while so many other rappers were depressingly "slept". This might have been his song about "the skeletons on the moon, and how they cloned Barack Hussein Obama in a test tube".

Here's the song, if you'd like to scroll through thousands of YouTube comments by mentally ill people:


Anyway, to answer your question about how these things matter in a party election, remember that the last vote gets handled by the party members, who probably won't be as involved in the tactical grappling that MPs worry about. There's also every possibility that there will be a general election soon even if the Conservatives don't want that, just because Labour are going to start calling for one every week once we're all taking orders from World King Saj. And World King Saj would like to start his campaigning early.
>> No. 96304 Anonymous
10th July 2022
Sunday 9:23 pm
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>>96303

I think it started out as just meaning enlightened, in the sense of being educated (usually self-educated, so applied to conspiracy theorists as much as anything).
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10th July 2022
Sunday 10:05 pm
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I'm going to bash together a theory out of thin air: The type of people "woke" is mainly used to describe never called themselves woke. It's used to describe what were called "SJWs" until that went out of fashion, but conveniently it went out of fashion during one of BLM's peaks. Since many BLM activists would call themselves "woke" and many "SJWs" would support BLM (and equally: many "Anti-SJWs" would oppose BLM), it was very easy to slam the two together even though SJWs, who did describe themselves with the language of "social justice", never actually used "woke" to describe themselves. (Which would've been both profoundly awkward and cultural appropriation from AAVE.)
Maybe "Woke SJWs" was the intermediate evolutionary stage.
>> No. 96306 Anonymous
10th July 2022
Sunday 10:14 pm
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>>96303
>just because Labour are going to start calling for one every week once we're all taking orders from World King Saj

I'm not so sure about that, we've already had one two changes of leadership and a new GE hasn't been front and centre of Labour's messaging. You can last point to Brown but that was quite exceptional as the party didn't vote and he cancelled his own election.

That's not to say that Labour won't call for one on Wednesday but it would be a very brave half of the Conservative Party who would have to defy the whip for it to pass.
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10th July 2022
Sunday 10:15 pm
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>>96303

The original meaning of woke before white middle class people on Twitter started calling themselves it, was a quite specifically black thing. It originated in the 70s/80s with the old guard Black Panther types, about being aware of things like the CIA selling drugs in black communities to fund their South American operations. So ironically enough, you could say it was culturally appropriated.
>> No. 96308 Anonymous
10th July 2022
Sunday 10:30 pm
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>The phrase stay woke had emerged in AAVE by the 1930s, in some contexts referring to an awareness of the social and political issues affecting African Americans. The phrase was uttered in a recording by Lead Belly and later by Erykah Badu. Following the shooting of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri in 2014, the phrase was popularised by Black Lives Matter (BLM) activists seeking to raise awareness about police shootings of African Americans. After seeing use on Black Twitter, the term woke became an Internet meme and was increasingly used by white people, often to signal their support for BLM, which some commentators have criticised as cultural appropriation. Mainly associated with the millennial generation, the term spread internationally and was added to the Oxford English Dictionary in 2017.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woke#Origins_and_usage

It's an Americanism and therefore automatically wrong. What we need is our own British form of racial awareness, one that represents the unique cultural experience of minorities in Britain - I propose S-Clubbers.
>> No. 96309 Anonymous
10th July 2022
Sunday 10:37 pm
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>>96305

>The type of people "woke" is mainly used to describe never called themselves woke

Yes, they did, and they always say this too. You'll notice they've finally figured out it's best not to stick to any consistent label though, because every one they've tried so far (SJW was the one before woke) has been turned against them.

The really interesting thing about it is that genuine, honest to god card carrying wokies are pretty rare. Much rarer than the reactionaries who rely on them as a bogeyman to build a platform around, certainly- But they do exist. It's just that where they do exist, they tend to be well connected academics, journalists, and PMC social climbers. They carry an outsized influence within their sphere, and while their effects on the world outside that sphere may often be overstated, the dichotomy between the ingroup and the outgroup is certainly something that contributes to the sense of polarisation in modern social/political discourse.

I mean, just read an American rag like the NYT or WaPo. It's hard to imagine that's at all representative of the average American's views. Much like our own Graun opinion section, it's full of total waffle it's hard to imagine the everyday person giving a fuck about, but in the social circles these people come up in (journalism being one of those fields still entirely absent any reliable way for working class people to break into) presenting oneself as progressive is essential, their own way of reckoning an opposition to the dominant centre-right establishment without confronting the uncomfortable fact they're all exactly the same kind of spoiled trust fund brats.

But I digress.

Overall my point is that in real terms, "woke" people are a very small niche cultural demographic, but they tend to constitute a segment of society that wields disproportionate influence, with the ultimate outcome that we simultaneously have it pushed down our throats constantly, despite the fact none of it is really all that commonplace in reality; and that it frustrates the effort of more grounded materialist opposition to the status quo to have its voice heard.
>> No. 96310 Anonymous
10th July 2022
Sunday 11:02 pm
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>Yes, they did, and they always say this too.
It's a prick move, but I'd like you to produce proof: Go dig up some white acrobat accounts circa 2018-20 calling themselves "Woke" without irony. Maybe as a cheap second best, dig up a newspaper or magazine article doing it before it became a term of abuse. If you want to play on hard mode: do so in a context independent of American racial issues. Find a white girl saying she's woke on gender. I can't say I actually expect you to do either (I'd probably tell you to fuck off if you asked me) but it's what I'd need to see to believe it - I've seen an countless cases of people who came close enough to calling themselves SJWs (usually just "social justice", the 'warrior' part being less common but not an unreasonable extension) but not a single 'woke'. I've a passing familiarity with most types of digital nutter and that's just one I've never seen.
It's not even a phrase that carries very well for that sort of self-identification. "I'm a social justice advocate" is something I'd still find half acceptable in a bio today. "I'm a social justice warrior" would be very antiquated irony, but I can run with it. "I'm Woke" doesn't really work. "The Social Justice Community" perhaps, but "The Woke Community" is a band name.

Though I'd like to propose an alternative candidate on the etymology: Via the phrase "Woke capitalism" or "Corporate Wokeness". A similar flow though: BLM > Awkward Pepsi Advertising tries to solve racism > Woke Capital > Woke. Never once passing through a white mouth without irony on the brain or dollar signs in the eyes.
>> No. 96311 Anonymous
10th July 2022
Sunday 11:11 pm
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The biggest, and maybe only, difference I see and hear between "woke" and "SJW" is that I don't remember mainstream, national, politcians arguing back and to about who was more of an SJW. It's very insidious how this bollocks goes mainstream. Almost no one, and I mean that literally, in the UK would have used the term to describe themselves. Now the future PM is likely wielding it as a weapon against his or her rivals.
>> No. 96312 Anonymous
10th July 2022
Sunday 11:16 pm
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>> No. 96313 Anonymous
10th July 2022
Sunday 11:21 pm
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>>96310

I'm obviously not going to jump through your ridiculous hoops but I will give you my word that I distinctly remember a brief period where online nutters would put it in their bios and what have you. It was always in that context of how like, they have three or four bullet points about themselves with emojis, you know, like how girls on dating apps put:

homeowner 🏘️
dog mum 🐶
cocktails 🍸

I distinctly remember matching a girl on Tinder around 2016 who had it in her bio. Previously I had assumed it was a more general term meaning someone was skeptical of authority/mainstream media; I remember this instance clearly because the conversation I had with her was the specific moment I realised it actually meant someone is a wanker.
>> No. 96314 Anonymous
10th July 2022
Sunday 11:28 pm
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>>96310
The rabbit hole deepens: https://splinternews.com/how-woke-went-from-black-activist-watchword-to-teen-int-1793853989
>"Woke" can also refer, mockingly, to (white) people whose perspectives on race change suddenly after learning about historical injustice. (e.g. "You talked to Brad recently? He read some Ta-Nehesi Coates and now he thinks he's woke.")
Circa 2016!
You've even got SJWs doing using it as an insult! https://jezebel.com/world-weeps-in-gratitude-for-woke-hungarian-who-did-7-t-1751448258 It's "political correctness" all over again!

Then you've the NYT: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/24/magazine/earning-the-woke-badge.html which is interesting because it starts with the implication it's something people want to be, but pretty quickly catches on to that negativity. (My current explanation for never seeing it used unironically: For the 15 minutes it was a positive, it was like "cool" - you don't say how cool you are if you're actually cool.)
>Defanged of its political connotations, “stay woke” is the new “plugged in.” In January, MTV announced “woke” as a trendy new slice of teen slang. As Brock said, “The original cultural meaning of ‘stay woke’ gets lost in the shuffle.”
>And so those who try to signal their wokeness by saying “woke” have revealed themselves to be very unwoke indeed. Now black cultural critics have retooled “woke” yet again, adding a third layer that claps back at the appropriators. “Woke” now works as a dig against those who claim to be culturally aware and yet are, sadly, lacking in self-awareness. In a sharp essay for The Awl, Maya Binyam coined the term “Woke Olympics,” a “kind of contest” in which white players compete to “name racism when it appears” or condemn “fellow white folk who are lagging behind.”

Go back before 2016 and it's practically dead. You get https://blavity.com/what-does-it-mean-to-be-woke where a black woman writes about what it means and that's about it. Disappointingly, a look for acrobat pages only gave me "Woke up this morning..." type posts. I wanted some mid-2010s nostalgia. (And I can say: I am woke to how depressing that phrase is.)
>> No. 96315 Anonymous
10th July 2022
Sunday 11:43 pm
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>>96314

We've no evidence aliens didn't build the pyramids either lad, stop embarrassing yourself.

People definitely called themselves woke, it was very brief and almost immediately become uncool as soon as the other side (mainly /pol/ in those days) got hold of it, but it happened. I don't know why you're so obsessed with this. What point are you trying to prove?

SJW was more likely a pejorative from the very start, and likewise with the counterpart label of "alt right", I don't think anyone ever went up to Alt Right Headquarters for their membership card (it had a picture of Pepe the Frog on it). But people certainly did call themselves woke, once upon a time.
>> No. 96316 Anonymous
10th July 2022
Sunday 11:58 pm
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>>96312
Jesus wept.
>> No. 96317 Anonymous
11th July 2022
Monday 12:02 am
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>>96316

It is absolutely fucking mental, but I think it might just be perfectly attuned to the target audience.

Also this:


>> No. 96318 Anonymous
11th July 2022
Monday 12:23 am
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>>96315
"People" is too broad a category. Of course people did - black people. The unicorn I'm hunting is a white person doing it without irony, running along with the idea that "Woke" becoming a near synonym of "SJW" owes more to confabulation and misinterpreted jest than to actual self-identification. (Although Black SJWs could call themselves woke, the archetypal SJW is white.)
Another part of is trying to see how the term became deracialised over time. Not everything is about making some deep intellectual point - sometimes it's just an excuse to dig back through the rubble of the last 5 years doing something stupid like looking at how people you'd never have anything to do with were using words you'd never say.

"Social Justice Warrior" was ( https://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/12387-live-hope-at-the-hideout/ ) and still is ( https://law.duke.edu/news/mcallaster-leaves-legacy-transformative-clinician-social-justice-warrior-and-policy-advocate/ ) occasionally used as a straightforward lionisation. I suspect it came to be an insult through some degree of ironic usage (self-describing yourself as a warrior is a bit self-aggrandizing) but the "social justice" part of it was original - people would definitely go around saying they were into social justice. That's why I find it interesting.
>> No. 96319 Anonymous
11th July 2022
Monday 12:53 am
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>>96315
No; I'm with him. I was reading well-known iconic bastion of wokeness cracked.com every day throughout the entire 2010s. If anyone was going to promote wokeness, they would have. They might have done it ironically a few times once it became a negative ("Yes, I am one of those woke people you keep hearing about, just because I believe that love is love and rights for Latinx BIPOC folx are human rights!"), but there was never a Top 10 Woke Things You Must Embrace. There was a Top 6 Reasons Why Everything In History Is The Fault Of White People which certainly caused a fair bit of outrage, but the word "woke" was largely invisible.

Pioneering underground female rapper Snow Tha Product was signed to an indie record label called Woke Records, and she namechecks them in the opening lines of her best song:



That came out in 2015, and clearly "woke" was still a black thing rather than a social justice thing back then.
>> No. 96320 Anonymous
11th July 2022
Monday 1:03 am
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>>96318

Well, if I could find you that Tinder profile, you would have your unicorn mate. It was a white lass who had dreads and wore yoga pants with tie-dye patterns on them and she had mandalas up on the wall in her pictures. Her bio read something like "hippy, yoga instructor, psychedelic enthusiast, woke".

100% genuinely, she was not the only one I saw during that time period.
>> No. 96321 Anonymous
11th July 2022
Monday 1:37 am
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>>96318
Here's another one: does anyone ever call themselves a leftist? In theory, it's a neutral term, and it probably even gets used on the news sometimes to describe Panamanian guerrillas and Bolivian paramilitaries and so on. But whenever I hear the word "leftist", it is always, always in a negative context. You could make the same point about "lefty" too, come to think of it.
>> No. 96322 Anonymous
11th July 2022
Monday 2:06 am
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>>96321
Not >>96320 but I can snapshot you a woman's bio right now who is looking for a lefty bloke if you want. It's not an uncommon identity people adopt.

I've not said anything because she goes on to talk about taking a critical lens to society and is quite clearly very political.
>> No. 96323 Anonymous
11th July 2022
Monday 11:04 am
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Rehman Chishti (who?) has also entered the race. I have never heard of this man in my life. He was born in Muzaffarabad, laplanderstan, and was an advisor to Benazir Bhutto from 1999 to 2007. In December 2007, Benazir Bhutto was assassinated. So I guess he was giving her pretty good advice, at least.
>> No. 96324 Anonymous
12th July 2022
Tuesday 2:01 pm
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There'll be no PAAG PM this year, lads.
>> No. 96325 Anonymous
12th July 2022
Tuesday 2:17 pm
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2022/jul/11/rishi-sunak-criticised-footage-no-working-class-friends-video

It seems to be turning into quite a bloody campaign, at least against Rishi. I suppose the advantage of being so junior and posh is you don't have as many skeletons in the closet.
>> No. 96326 Anonymous
12th July 2022
Tuesday 2:25 pm
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>>96325
There are so many levels of weird conspiratorial tactics in this kind of situation that I almost support Rishi purely by virtue of the fact that the rest of his party hates him. Same as Boris, in fact.
>> No. 96327 Anonymous
12th July 2022
Tuesday 2:34 pm
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>Priti Patel rules herself out of contest
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/07/12/rishi-sunak-tory-leader-penny-mordaunt-next-pm-boris-resign/

What the fuck, she probably could've walked it if she wanted to be PM.
>> No. 96328 Anonymous
12th July 2022
Tuesday 2:44 pm
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>>96327
Mediocre feet. 6/10.
>> No. 96329 Anonymous
12th July 2022
Tuesday 2:54 pm
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>>96327
Ben Wallace could have too. I think the ones with proper aspirations would rather be Prime Minister at a time when they aren't going to be a despised figure of ridicule presiding over a recession and economic catastrophe. We're getting a new Theresa May from this one, not a new someone-good.
>> No. 96330 Anonymous
12th July 2022
Tuesday 3:04 pm
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>Tory leadership contender Kemi Badenoch has branded the net zero climate target “unilateral economic disarmament” and vowed to axe it if elected.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/kemi-badenoch-net-zero-tory-leadership-b2121209.html
>No gender neutral toilets allowed at Kemi Badenoch's Tory leadership launch - masking tape signs were stuck on the loos turning generic facilities into those for “men” and “ladies”
https://tinyurl.com/yvz9fswk
>Penny Mordaunt and Kemi Badenoch are the top choices among Tory party members to take over as leader from Boris Johnson, new polling suggests.
https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2022/07/12/penny-mordaunt-kemi-badenoch-tory-leadership-contest/

There's going to be a severe culture war cunt-off between her and Penny over trans rights. I suspect Kemi will next attack fat women and pictures will reveal 'live, laugh, love' signage in her home.
>> No. 96331 Anonymous
12th July 2022
Tuesday 3:09 pm
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>>96330
Kemi Badenoch is clearly an absolute psychopath. And yet we all know that any sort of social media abuse or watermelon emoji would send her scurrying to cry for tolerance and kindness. She sounds awful.
>> No. 96332 Anonymous
12th July 2022
Tuesday 3:16 pm
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Is she likely to get the 20 nominations she needs from other MPs?

It's gonna be Dishy Rishi vs. Marvellous Mama Mordaunt.
>> No. 96333 Anonymous
12th July 2022
Tuesday 3:27 pm
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I can see her getting 20, maybe 30 on Thursday but will need to make a lot of noise to get anywhere. She's got the backing of Gove though so it's almost certain he will knife her and make a show of it being about LGBT rights.

This new LotR series is going too far if you ask me.
>> No. 96334 Anonymous
12th July 2022
Tuesday 3:33 pm
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>>96333
Rishi is very small. We can't have a small leader.
>> No. 96335 Anonymous
12th July 2022
Tuesday 3:34 pm
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There are more versions of Mordaunt's campaign launch video than there are Blade Runner edits.
>> No. 96336 Anonymous
12th July 2022
Tuesday 3:38 pm
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Penny's feet also mediocre, but not as good as Priti's. 5/10. Need to see Kemi's to make a fair overall judgment. Have no interest in seeing Truss' feet, thanks.
>> No. 96337 Anonymous
12th July 2022
Tuesday 4:50 pm
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>>96334
He towers over the other four in the OP picture. It's like we're being governed by gnomes.
>> No. 96338 Anonymous
12th July 2022
Tuesday 5:13 pm
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>>96337
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collage
>> No. 96339 Anonymous
12th July 2022
Tuesday 10:22 pm
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The elimination has started! We have gone down from eleven hopefuls to eight:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62142894

So the current selection, in alphabetical order, is Kemi Badenoch, Suella Braverman, Rehman Chishti, Jeremy Hunt, Sajid Javid, Penny Mordaunt, Rishi Sunak, Liz Truss, Tom Tugendhat, Ben Wallace and Nadhim Zahawi.

They just spoke to two high-profile endorsers of Liz Truss on the BBC Ten O'Clock News, and they were Nadine Dorries and Jacob Rees-Mogg, so I don't think she'll last. As it stands, I guess my favourite is probably Tom Tugendhat because I don't know much about him but he seems to hate a lot of his party just like I do. So his campaign will probably end tomorrow as well. Hopefully Kemi and Suella's campaigns will end too, since they're competing with each other to be the most mental fascist possible.
>> No. 96340 Anonymous
13th July 2022
Wednesday 12:14 am
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>>96339
If Nadine Dorries is behind you, watch out for whatever's in front of you.
>> No. 96341 Anonymous
13th July 2022
Wednesday 12:17 am
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>>96339
The problem with Tom Tugendhat is that everyone hates him as well and his career and policy positions can be boiled down to 'I was in the army once'. This includes amateurish ideas like using 'army experts' to slash waiting times.

I can't wait for the custard round.
>> No. 96342 Anonymous
13th July 2022
Wednesday 12:44 am
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You know I'd have expected Rees Mogg to go for it. He's a bastard through and through, but he's apparently the only person left in the party with more than six brain cells. You might say that's exactly why he knows better than to become leader, but surely he realises it's his duty to save the party from the certain oblivion it faces in the hands of any of his utterly useless colleagues?
>> No. 96343 Anonymous
13th July 2022
Wednesday 1:57 am
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>>96342
JRM has too much respect for Parliament and its customs and conventions to take on a position where he'd now be expected to defy them so flagrantly.
>> No. 96344 Anonymous
13th July 2022
Wednesday 7:22 am
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It's a good job Ellwood didn't stand for PM because his campaign would be over now that he's been accused of running over a cat and driving off.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/tory-mp-accused-running-over-cat/
>> No. 96345 Anonymous
13th July 2022
Wednesday 7:45 am
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Apparenly a slight bump in economic growth means we've dodged an official recession, I wonder which one of these plonkers will reverse that?

>>96341
>amateurish ideas like using 'army experts' to slash waiting times.
It's quite amazing how devoid of ideas any of these people are. Honest Tommy's supposed to be the clever one too, and his brightest idea is "what if a hospital was like a tank?".
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13th July 2022
Wednesday 11:09 am
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>>96345
My understanding is that a recession would utterly smash the inflation, and to avoid a recession now is to perpetuate the high inflation for longer than necessary. I saw somewhere that they were looking at triggering a recession on purpose in America as a potential answer to the inflation. So whatever governments do right now, it can be argued that it was the wrong decision.
>> No. 96347 Anonymous
13th July 2022
Wednesday 1:59 pm
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Mordaunt is now favourite to win and its easy to see why.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swGdVIbbm2c


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13th July 2022
Wednesday 2:30 pm
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>>96347

You're about three days late to the punch on that one.

Mordaunt is my favourite for at least two reasons.
>> No. 96349 Anonymous
13th July 2022
Wednesday 3:34 pm
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I'm starting to kind of think that I've somehow willed this into being by posting about how lovely looking Mordaunt is for several years.

Anyway, what's happening with this no confidence vote?
>> No. 96350 Anonymous
13th July 2022
Wednesday 3:40 pm
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>>96349
I do not understand the point of this no confidence vote at all. It's not binding so it quite literally doesn't matter, it probably wouldn't pass anyway and so the whole point is Labour telling everyone "we don't like this shambolic Tory government", as best as I can tell at least. If anyone has a better grasp of it's purpose do tell me.
>> No. 96351 Anonymous
13th July 2022
Wednesday 3:47 pm
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>>96350
>I do not understand the point of this no confidence vote at all. It's not binding so it quite literally doesn't matter
It is binding. If the motion passes, the government has to resign.
>> No. 96352 Anonymous
13th July 2022
Wednesday 3:55 pm
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>>96349
>Anyway, what's happening with this no confidence vote?

Labour wanted it to name the PM to bring some confused Tory rebellion so Kier Stammer could in turn make a fun quip. This was dumb because the government just changed the wording next week to a more general test which they'll obviously bury the opposition on.

Obviously there's nothing better you could do at the moment where you might otherwise get a wing of the Tories to vote on a given issue. Nothing that could get a quip anyway.
>> No. 96353 Anonymous
13th July 2022
Wednesday 4:05 pm
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>>96352
If Starmer's supposedly a hotshot lawyer why didn't he use his legal brains to stop the Tories pulling a fast one on him?

Was he actually a top lawyer? I know he was Director of Public Prosecutions, which sounds fancy and everything but it's still the public sector. I can't imagine the best lawyers work in the public sector.
>> No. 96354 Anonymous
13th July 2022
Wednesday 4:16 pm
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>>96353
It's not really a fast one; it's just how it works. You need a majority to do basically anything in parliament. He doesn't have one and the Conservatives do, and that's why they're in charge. You can, if you want, call a motion of no confidence in the government, but it will only be voted on if the government itself agrees to allow it. If the polls looked like they'd win a new election, the government could allow it, call a new general election, and effectively reset the clock until there has to be another election. But the polls say they would lose, so instead, the government refused go allow the confidence vote. But that looks bad, so now they're calling their own vote of no confidence in themselves, so they can pass it and tell everyone it's them who support democracy really. If Labour had called it, that would make the Conservatives look weak, and therefore some MPs would vote against their own party and potentially force the election they don't want. But this way, MPs are less likely to rebel and so the exact same vote is effectively harmless now.
>> No. 96355 Anonymous
13th July 2022
Wednesday 4:35 pm
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>>96354
>You can, if you want, call a motion of no confidence in the government, but it will only be voted on if the government itself agrees to allow it.
The rule is that if the Leader of the Opposition puts down a motion of no confidence, the Government will rearrange its business to hear the motion on the next sitting day. The Government business people have invented some artificial rule that it needs to only be about the Government, despite confidence motions in the past being taken up with direct criticism of the PM in them.

>therefore some MPs would vote against their own party and potentially force the election they don't want.
Typically when your party's in government, you'll get a three-line whip to vote down a motion of no confidence. You will have serious questions to answer either way - if you don't vote no, you'll have to deal wtih the whips and the constituency party (who may deselect you); if you do vote no, you'll have your constituents to deal with (who may vote for someone else instead). You need to remember that the people with direct agency here are not the voters at large but party insiders and paid-up members, who are currently seem to be somewhat detached from the rest of the population.

They may be pressed on what their position actually is, since 140 of them voted against him at the '22, over 60 left the Government, but now they're being asked whether they have confidence in the very same government. On any conventional reading, whether the PM is in the motion or not, the Tories are surviving this, but optics matter.
>> No. 96356 Anonymous
13th July 2022
Wednesday 5:15 pm
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And the first round of votes are in!

Kemi Badenoch - 40 votes
Suella Braverman - 32
Rehman Chishti
Jeremy Hunt !!!
Sajid Javid
Penny Mordaunt - 67
Grant Shapps
Rishi Sunak - 88
Liz Truss - 50
Tom Tugendhat - 37
Ben Wallace
Nadhim Zahawi

Two more votes for Penny, and she'd have had 69.
>> No. 96357 Anonymous
13th July 2022
Wednesday 5:21 pm
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>>96356
I'd certainly give her one.
>> No. 96358 Anonymous
13th July 2022
Wednesday 5:23 pm
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>>96356

Ladies and Gentlemen, the Tory shit sandwich.
>> No. 96359 Anonymous
13th July 2022
Wednesday 5:25 pm
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>>96358
No need to be racist, lad.
>> No. 96360 Anonymous
13th July 2022
Wednesday 10:30 pm
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>>96359

That's what you are reading into it. I would never insinuate that an ethnic minority candidate is shit because he or she's an ethnic minority. But candidates who are shit can by sheer coincidence, and without any relevance to their quality of being shit, also be a member of an ethnic minority.
>> No. 96361 Anonymous
13th July 2022
Wednesday 10:43 pm
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>> No. 96362 Anonymous
13th July 2022
Wednesday 11:54 pm
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>>96360
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/88_(number)#In_white_nationalism
>> No. 96363 Anonymous
14th July 2022
Thursday 12:00 am
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You can't really make fun of him for not knowing about mad neo-Nazi shite.
>> No. 96364 Anonymous
14th July 2022
Thursday 3:07 am
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>>96363
Depends how old you are. If you were born in 1988 then it's inevitable that if you have 88 in a username you will inevitably be accused of being a white supremacist at some point, particularly if you post an opinion that's to the right of Jeremy Corbyn.
>> No. 96365 Anonymous
14th July 2022
Thursday 9:14 am
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>>96364
So you thought there were reasonable odds he had been born in 1988, used only "88" in an online handle at some stage, engaged in a political debate in which he expressed right-wing or even centrist sentiment, and was then accused of being a neo-Nazi at which point he is to have assumed "it must be my username" and looked up the relavence of the number 88 in far-right subcultures? I think your logic subroutines are fried. It'd be better for everyone if we took you offline.
>> No. 96366 Anonymous
14th July 2022
Thursday 9:19 am
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>>96365
We've established by now every poster is early to mid thirties, other than the lad who bought an MX-5 because of his mid-life crisis.
>> No. 96367 Anonymous
14th July 2022
Thursday 11:24 am
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>>96365
I just know it because I know things. I know what an otherkin is too.
>> No. 96368 Anonymous
14th July 2022
Thursday 1:39 pm
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This has to be the least flattering photo I have ever seen of anyone. She looks like a puppet, like she might be helping Sooty bake a cake or being rescued by the Thunderbirds.
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14th July 2022
Thursday 2:07 pm
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She reminds me of this wojak.
>> No. 96370 Anonymous
14th July 2022
Thursday 2:55 pm
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>>96368
Truss has to be Labour's best hope for the next general election. I've no idea who the MPs whom supported the likes of Hunt in the last round will vote in this round.
>> No. 96371 Anonymous
14th July 2022
Thursday 3:17 pm
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She's goofy, but Kemi and Suella the Despotic Duo have both been encouraged to drop out and "unite the right" behind Liz Truss. So even though she seems to be the "Boris's policies minus Boris" candidate, I can only assume she is also going to reveal herself to be a culture-war nutter fairly soon.
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14th July 2022
Thursday 3:23 pm
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And Suella Braverman is the next one voted out of the Tory Big Brother house. We are down to only two of the candidates in the OP image still being in the race.
>> No. 96373 Anonymous
14th July 2022
Thursday 4:25 pm
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>>96371
>I can only assume she is also going to reveal herself to be a culture-war nutter fairly soon

Come on lad. We had a thread about this.
http://britfa.gs/pol/res/91877.html

I'm surprised nobody has brought up her being humiliated by Sergei Lavrov and the subsequent disappearance of her from public view for Boris and the bald bloke. If she had stayed with the trade portfolio then I imagine her chances would be much better than now where she's in dire need of a demotion and the party knows it.

Either way it looks like our next PM will be a white woman.
>> No. 96374 Anonymous
14th July 2022
Thursday 4:37 pm
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>>96373
Judging entirely on the results of the last two white women to lead the Tory party, that means we're either going for the world's shittest rendition of 1987 or 2017 with the top roles going to sociopaths rather than autistics.
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14th July 2022
Thursday 8:38 pm
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14th July 2022
Thursday 9:03 pm
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>>96375
Is the joke here that he just has a face? In what way are they alike beyond that?
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14th July 2022
Thursday 9:38 pm
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>>96376
When was your last eye test?
>> No. 96378 Anonymous
14th July 2022
Thursday 11:28 pm
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I have long been a Truss stan, but I'm pretty sure Mordaunt will win after Truss drop out.
>> No. 96379 Anonymous
14th July 2022
Thursday 11:33 pm
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There's something very sinister about Mordaunt. She just has the right vibe about her of being that kind of middle England, home counties, village green, "Place-upon-River" kind of loathsome cunt that the press and news media will fall over themselves to suck off.

She'll get away with murder because Radio 4 and the broadsheets won't be able to shove their nose far enough up her arse crack, no matter how much they try and pretend not to, because she is so deeply one of them.
>> No. 96380 Anonymous
14th July 2022
Thursday 11:56 pm
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Alright, fine, whatever, he looks like Roland Rat. You do know I'm the youngest person on Earth to know what that is and I'm not even very young?

But I've got something more niche that's bothering me. Yes, more niche than a puppet from the '40s. What exactly do the candidates plan to spend their massive defense budget on? A third aircraft carrier? More nuclear capable subs? An RAF so big it'll blot out the sun? A second wheelie bin for every squaddie and his family? I just can't stand how broad and vague all the campaigning is, and none of them will take questions, and the questions that do get asked will be as vague as the claims, not that it matters because the candidates will evade a real answer like Keir Starmer evades having an opinion on literally anything.

>>96379
Christ, mate, just stop listening to Women's Hour. There's almost a quarter of a century of In Our Time episodes to work through, or try The Grenfell Inquiry Podcast, it can't make you any more upset than those BBC Radio 4 lasses are.
>> No. 96381 Anonymous
15th July 2022
Friday 12:20 am
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>>96380

>What exactly do the candidates plan to spend their massive defense budget on?

If they have any sense, people. The number of active army personnel has fallen by more than 30% since 2014. Most of those cuts have come in the form of "natural wastage", i.e. experienced staff leaving the service and not being replaced, so the loss of skills is far worse than the numbers initially suggest.

More small drones would be nice, we need to replace a lot of kit that we've given to Ukraine, but the main problem with the British armed forces is simply a lack of manpower. Part of that is an intentional scaling-down of staffing due to the daft belief that we could fight wars with sci-fi toys rather than wellies in the mud, but it's mostly just shit pay and conditions.
>> No. 96382 Anonymous
15th July 2022
Friday 12:21 am
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>>96379
I've barely heard her speak, and I certainly don't know anything about her policies. What I thought I knew, she now seems to be denying. She looks like she'd be a strident hard-Brexit flag-waving British exceptionalist, and I could have sworn that's exactly what she was a couple of years ago, but now everyone wants to unite the right against her insidious cultural Marxism and vote for a proper Daily Express candidate like the Remain-voting Liz Truss.

>>96380
We're going to need a bigger army so we can smash Russia. We're in the Phony War now, but they're going to try it at some point and we need the 100% employment of total war to save our economy and those of the European Union.
>> No. 96383 Anonymous
15th July 2022
Friday 12:28 am
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>>96380
>What exactly do the candidates plan to spend their massive defense budget on?

cup of tea. And some spare change for other stuff. Why would you want defence procurement decisions to be decided in an election?

If you really want to attack them then start asking questions about that dossier where Liz Truss was sleeping with Kwasi while he was going out with fellow Cabinet Minister Amber Rudd. Or where Penny claimed that Turkey was in the EU.
>> No. 96384 Anonymous
15th July 2022
Friday 12:30 am
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>>96383
That's a rather queer wordfilter but one I fully support my taxes going towards.
>> No. 96385 Anonymous
15th July 2022
Friday 1:09 am
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>>96380

Hit a nerve did we, homecountieslad?

You know as well as I do that BBC Radio 4 is a perfect distillation of middle class culture, and therefore by extension, everything that is wrong with British civil society.
>> No. 96386 Anonymous
15th July 2022
Friday 4:46 am
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>>96381
You seem smart, why aren't you running to be Tory leader. Don't respond, I just answered my own question. What do you think the desire to fight wars with sci-fi toys is motivated by? An earnest desire to save the lives of are brave boys? Sending a few quid to their mates in the defense industry? Absolute bullshit predicated upon nothing but hot air?

>>96383
If you're telling us you want to almost double spending on our miltary I expect you to have a rough idea what you want that money to go towards. I'm not expecting Napoleonic military cunning from Liz Truss, but the UK's spent ten years throwing billions away on the Ajax IFV, which is still little more than a sybian for a Godzilla that turns the crew's spine to soup. Ergo I get very sceptical about wild military spending claims.

>>96385
Please reread and reread again my post and tell me where I was sticking up for Women's Hour? Or Radio 4? And then tell me how you took my bit about the Grenfell Tower Inquiry seriously? You've not only got the wrong end of the stick, you're not even holding a stick. I understand how listening to Radio 4 could cripple your sense of humour, but don't take it out on me.
>> No. 96387 Anonymous
15th July 2022
Friday 7:55 am
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>>96386 You seem smart, why aren't you running to be Tory leader.

wait, what?
>> No. 96388 Anonymous
15th July 2022
Friday 11:25 am
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>>96386

I don't think you even know what a stick is mate, what a perplexing post.
>> No. 96389 Anonymous
15th July 2022
Friday 11:56 am
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Mordaunt is obviously the most beautiful major Tory, but Kemi is quite nice too. Proof that black don't crack. Truss looks like a spastic, and Braverman looks like a reflection on the back of a spoon.

None of the male contenders are very handsome. If I had to pick one it'd be Nadim, he looks kind of cool. Javid looks like the old pickled onion Monster Munch mascot.
>> No. 96390 Anonymous
15th July 2022
Friday 12:55 pm
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>>96389
Steve Baker is handsome. Go with Liz Truss and he'll probably be Chancellor or something.
>> No. 96391 Anonymous
15th July 2022
Friday 7:59 pm
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They are on Channel 4. How is transexual issues such a hot topic? Is everyone switching genders?
>> No. 96392 Anonymous
15th July 2022
Friday 8:05 pm
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>>96391
They've got to pander to the Tory membership if they want to be leader, which means you've got to make a stand against wokeness.

It's easier to bang on about unisex toilets than it is to say how you'll fix the economy or sort out rising energy prices.
>> No. 96393 Anonymous
15th July 2022
Friday 8:12 pm
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>>96391

Conservatives can't contain their disgust for Daisy Taylor's thick, juicy, mouthwatering cock. It's sickening how these transsexualists flaunt their engorged penises on perfectly innocent tractor websites. This is why we need the Online Safety Bill.
>> No. 96394 Anonymous
15th July 2022
Friday 8:24 pm
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>>96391
It's the ultimate trap. haha, trap. Everyone wants to be tolerant and human, while at the same time cracking down on the rapists and child molesters that the other half of the party think shemales are. Whenever you want to make your opponent squirm, just ask them to navigate this ideological minefield and you've done it.

It really worries me how bad they all are. It worries me even more that I think the dreaded Kemi "Mugabe" Badenoch is playing the game best here.
>> No. 96395 Anonymous
15th July 2022
Friday 8:32 pm
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Which one of them is coughing all over the microphone?
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15th July 2022
Friday 8:36 pm
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>>96395
Sounds like Kemi.

They are all just so terrible.
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15th July 2022
Friday 9:51 pm
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I've just realised who Penny Mordaunt reminds me of.
>> No. 96398 Anonymous
16th July 2022
Saturday 5:43 pm
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In an ideal world we will end up with Prime Minister Tugendhat.

We don't live in that world do we?
>> No. 96399 Anonymous
16th July 2022
Saturday 5:55 pm
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>Boris Johnson is threatening to set an “early test” for his successor by ensuring they have to face two early byelections as the new Tory leader, the Observer has been told.

>The prime minister is planning to elevate at least two current MPs to the House of Lords well before the next election, triggering two contests that will test public support for whoever replaces him in Downing Street.

>It is understood that he wants to hand peerages to Jimmy Adams, a cabinet office minister and one of his closest allies, and culture secretary Nadine Dorries, who has emerged as one of his most loyal cabinet colleagues. Both have large majorities, but the combination of a recent Tory poll slump and its disastrous recent byelection record could make the contests a close call.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jul/16/johnson-plan-peerages-early-byelections-nadine-dorries-Jimmy-adams
>> No. 96400 Anonymous
16th July 2022
Saturday 7:12 pm
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>>96397

A colleague of mine met Penny in the RN - she is, or at least was, a naval reservist. Apparently she came across as bright and on the ball, though he admitted his perception may have been swayed by the fact that to his eye at the time she bore a strong resemblance to Michelle Pfieffer.
>> No. 96401 Anonymous
16th July 2022
Saturday 7:53 pm
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>>96400
This is a picture of Mordaunt from ~15 years ago. There doesn't seem to be that many pictures of her online from before she became an MP.
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16th July 2022
Saturday 9:04 pm
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Fucksake.
>> No. 96403 Anonymous
16th July 2022
Saturday 10:35 pm
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Kemi

Doesn't see skin colour as a privilege.
>> No. 96404 Anonymous
16th July 2022
Saturday 11:02 pm
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>>96401
A true English rose. Too beautiful to lead this stain of a nation.
>> No. 96405 Anonymous
17th July 2022
Sunday 12:43 am
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>>96402
That's interesting, because when I saw her wearing that, I was actually thinking of something else and considered it very unlikely that anyone had tried dressing that way for a political debate ever before.
>> No. 96406 Anonymous
17th July 2022
Sunday 1:16 am
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>>96402
It's very odd how Truss has pinned her entire political career on a prolonged, tragic, Maggie Thatcher cosplay. I know all the candidates are at it to some degree, but she adopted it long time ago.
>> No. 96407 Anonymous
17th July 2022
Sunday 5:11 am
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Liz Truss has a decent arse for a skinny bird.


>> No. 96408 Anonymous
17th July 2022
Sunday 9:03 am
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>>96407
Clear off, Dacre.
>> No. 96409 Anonymous
17th July 2022
Sunday 10:09 am
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>>96408

You don't have to agree with someone's politics to think that they have a shaggable arse.
>> No. 96410 Anonymous
17th July 2022
Sunday 10:55 am
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>>96409
It's not even true though! You sound like an alien desperately trying to pass itself off as a heterosexual human male, for reasons I can't discern, but I am forced to assume are nefarious. I'm onto you, Glorbax, and your mate Paul Dacre, you devious little shits.
>> No. 96411 Anonymous
17th July 2022
Sunday 11:15 am
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>>96409
Priti Patel is a terrible human being with a tremendously thicc body.

Liz Truss is a terrible human being with the body of a village fête scarecrow.

No comparison.
>> No. 96412 Anonymous
17th July 2022
Sunday 11:43 am
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>>96410

Liz Truss as a name is clearly a subliminal message to "Trust Lizards", which explains what's going on here.
>> No. 96413 Anonymous
17th July 2022
Sunday 1:27 pm
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>>96407
I'm surprised how she's changed over the past couple years. If you'd asked me in 2019 there would be no guilt at all in being one of her Parliamentary researchers IYKWIM.

I think everyone knows she's a bit mental too so, you know how it is.
>> No. 96414 Anonymous
17th July 2022
Sunday 3:20 pm
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>>96412
I wouldn't be surprised if some tinhat or other is rambling about that on a local Facebook page right now.
>> No. 96415 Anonymous
17th July 2022
Sunday 5:13 pm
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>>96412
In the last debate, I got the feeling she had been watching loads of old Derren Brown clips on YouTube and was trying to brainwash people into voting for her based on her name.

"I've spoken to lots of people around the country, and what I feelistheprimeminister should be trustworthy. What I feel, Liz, the Prime Minister, should be trustworthy. The Prime Minister should be Truss...tworthy. I want everyone who votes for our next Prime Minister to subliminally decide in the polling stations, I really want truss-t in Downing Street. Let's trust our leader. Trus' in Downing Street. Liz Truss, our leader. Let's trust."

I will probably watch tonight's debate too; I wonder if she'll do it again.
>> No. 96416 Anonymous
17th July 2022
Sunday 7:01 pm
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Seeing a lot of chatter and some articles about "Charter Cities" being brought in as a thing here, via Rishi. From what I'm reading, they're basically private jurisdictions run by the mega rich. Totally undemocratic. Very cyberpunk.
https://www.thenational.scot/politics/20267661.rishi-sunaks-beloved-charter-cities-pose-huge-threat-democracy/
https://www.pressreader.com/uk/the-sentinel/20220706/281646783841681
https://yorkshirebylines.co.uk/news/brexit/brexit-benefits-from-honduras-to-hull-via-hong-kong/
https://medium.com/@cormack.lawson/charter-cities-the-real-reason-for-brexit-and-the-bigger-picture-4de80dbb69fb
>> No. 96417 Anonymous
17th July 2022
Sunday 7:20 pm
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Drinking game (hardcore mode): Take a shot every time Tom mentions he was in the army.
>> No. 96418 Anonymous
17th July 2022
Sunday 7:36 pm
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Where are our Conservative-leaning posters? Which of these candidates would they vote for?

>>96417
It's all he's really done. The ones that really stand out to me are when someone gets asked a question that's completely unrelated to their CV, and the first sentence in the answer is name-checking their previous job.
>How important is trust in a leader?
>I was Chief Secretary to the Treasury. Trust is very important, etc etc

>>96416
Are these different from the freeports that they've threatened us with?
>> No. 96419 Anonymous
17th July 2022
Sunday 7:44 pm
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>>96418

Same thing as the Freeports.
>> No. 96420 Anonymous
17th July 2022
Sunday 7:55 pm
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Liz Truss is reading her closing speech! Everyone else memorised theirs, but she's reading it off a bit of paper. This is even worse than Tom Tugendhat saying he's "ready to serve" every three minutes.
>> No. 96421 Anonymous
17th July 2022
Sunday 7:56 pm
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>>96417
What the fuck has happened to his hand? It's like it got stuck in an animation loop as he gave his final statement.

Honestly the lad who wanted to shag Truss needs his fucking head checked, alien or not.
>> No. 96422 Anonymous
17th July 2022
Sunday 7:58 pm
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>>96418
>Where are our Conservative-leaning posters?

I was more under the impression that we had lefties who can't stand Labour/idpol mind worms rather than actual Tories.
>> No. 96423 Anonymous
17th July 2022
Sunday 8:05 pm
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I only caught the end, how many times did Truss say "unleash"? I'm watching the start now and she's so economically illiterate it's frightening, like she went to the Erdogan School of Economics.

>>96422
I think there was at least one Tory voter, but it was boiler plate "I don't like taxes" stuff that motivated him.
>> No. 96424 Anonymous
17th July 2022
Sunday 8:13 pm
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>>96419
In that case, I don't like them. Not only are they handed out to Conservative constituencies to effectively bribe them to keep voting blue, which I don't really like, but they focus the local economy into those areas in a way that actually reduces the economy of surrounding areas. So they don't make more money, and given that they are tax havens, they actually lose money. But then, I support regulation for businesses, and taxes, and all that, so of course I wouldn't approve.
>> No. 96425 Anonymous
17th July 2022
Sunday 8:25 pm
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>>96422

A little bit of that, but we do have a couple of honest to god right wingers here too, who I assume to be the same couple of lads who are wealthy enough to post about the stock market and shit.

I suspect they might be LibDems though (ie Tories in denial).
>> No. 96426 Anonymous
17th July 2022
Sunday 8:27 pm
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>>96418
Penny although by all accounts I think she's now fucked it and her prior whinging hasn't helped matters.

Captain Tom is an intelligence service asset.
Kemi will enjoy her new role as SoS for health and social care.
Rishi Rich will be eaten alive when the membership votes.

>>96421
I'd give her one. She's like someone's mum (or auntie) at a garden party who after one two many glasses of wine starts getting handsy.
>> No. 96427 Anonymous
17th July 2022
Sunday 8:35 pm
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>>96426

>I think she's now fucked it and her prior whinging hasn't helped matters

I've been too busy enjoying the fruits of climate change too keep up, what has she said/done?
>> No. 96428 Anonymous
17th July 2022
Sunday 8:46 pm
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>>96425
>wealthy enough to post about the stock market and shit

Everyone became a retail investor in 2020 - if the stock market is the barrier dividing Labour and the Conservatives then you're in for some tough times ahead.

>>96427
She's been caught out lying about her position on evangelist christian korean youtuber rights and yet continues to deny it rather than just accepting a libertarian position that can play off Kemi's evangelist christian korean youtuber bashing.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/leaked-documents-call-penny-mordaunts-gender-self-id-claims-into-question-g07ch5ptt

That and it turns out she's completely useless without her speechwriters.
>> No. 96429 Anonymous
17th July 2022
Sunday 9:07 pm
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>Pundits often puzzle over the identity of today’s Tory party. It claims to be rightwing but has imposed Britain’s highest tax burden since 1950. In fact, it’s an old people’s party. That’s a winning strategy in a country where most voters are now over 55, estimate Joe Chrisp and Nick Pearce of Bath University. Ballot-box Britain is much older than the rest of Britain.

>Once you’re an old people’s party, you’re free to ignore many things: the dearth of new homes, record low birth-rates, the threat to funding for British university research through the EU’s Horizon scheme, reduced opportunities for Britons to work or study abroad, not to mention climate change. Even the economy hardly matters to many pensioners, because they aren’t in it. Instead, an old people’s party takes the geriatric side in culture wars, keeps house prices rising, and redistributes not to the poor but to pensioners, who last week got a 10 per cent raise just as rail-workers were offered 2 per cent. An old people’s party imports a non-voting workforce while encouraging geriatric grumbles about immigration. In effect, the Tories side with wealth — held chiefly by the elderly — against incomes, and then cast that stance as “anti-elitist”.
https://www.ft.com/content/37b43960-2a83-4c8b-bead-4bf84beae5b9

It's almost a satire the kinds of issue dominating the leadership contest. Maybe instead of banging on about class we should start the discussion about age?
>> No. 96430 Anonymous
17th July 2022
Sunday 9:14 pm
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>> No. 96431 Anonymous
17th July 2022
Sunday 9:17 pm
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>>96430
To add - it is pointless to televise all this bollocks. Since I can't really vote for any of them unless I was a Tory.

Is it possible that this sort of thing adds to the fact that voter turnout is generally low for elections?
>> No. 96432 Anonymous
17th July 2022
Sunday 9:36 pm
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>>96429
I wonder, back-of-a-fag-packet style, how much would be left over if the government grabbed all the pension funds (turning them into a sovereign wealth fund) and then jacked up the state pension, because it occurs to me that one of the worst parts of our favoring the old is that a lot of the transfer is taking place in the private sector (wages are squeezed while shareholders are rolling in it, and who holds shares? pension funds.), and while the state pension is doing much better than the dole it's still crap compared to european countries, so you wind up with a situation where a lot of old people are doing very well (with their houses and private pensions), but you can't go "well, bugger the coffin dodgers then" because there's a subset of them who're just as fucked as the rest of us, stuck with a state pension and an unheated rental flat.

Such a wealth grab would never happen, obviously, but I'd be interested to know whether it would be a case of "All of our problems would be solved, with retirement now comfortable and egalitarian and the public finances capable of supporting whatever whimsy you may please", "The nature of inequality is such that all the wealth in pension funds wouldn't even be enough to give everyone over 65 a dignified existence, let alone fund wider public spending.", or somewhere in the middle.
>> No. 96433 Anonymous
17th July 2022
Sunday 9:58 pm
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>>96432
>wages are squeezed while shareholders are rolling in it, and who holds shares? pension funds

I don't know if you've noticed this but pension funds aren't exactly flush with all these retirees around and a generation of young people who can scarcely afford to pay into the system because they're still aiming for a house.

I'd put good money that a period of prolonged stagnation in property prices would cause a good few good pension funds to collapse.
>> No. 96434 Anonymous
17th July 2022
Sunday 10:01 pm
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>>96432

There's probably way too many interconnected issues here to really just rob Peter to pay Paul in that manner. It's more of a generational thing than a pensioners thing; once the current crop dies out their kids and grandkids will just inherit it, but never have quite the same opportunities to exploit the situation.

It's true that for all the whinging about benefits scum and what have you over the last 15 years, the largest recipients of benefits are and always have been pensioners. And if you look at it we do spend a big fucking whack on them- The state pension alone cost us 101.2 billion pounds in 2020/21. That's a full 1/10th of the government's spending.

But that also makes it clear that even if we abolished the pension and just left old people to die, the only thing it would really achieve is slashing the deficit. That frees up money to go elsewhere but it's not the be all end all. I think the middle ground would have to be making the state pension means tested. It's the only benefit that isn't, if you think about it- You don't get to claim jobseekers when you're working, but pensioners still get their £200 a week even when they're cashing in two private pensions, renting out 4 houses, and earning from a stocks portfolio.

Pensioners get to have their cake and eat it. We should be making the state pension conditional and taxing the ones who are still earning.

Of course if it were really up to me to implement some loony lefty solution to all this it wouldn't matter, because the stock market would have been nationalised to fund UBI and owning more than one home would be punishable by genital electrocution, but I digress.
>> No. 96435 Anonymous
18th July 2022
Monday 1:50 am
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>>96431
Do you think this is all just guerrilla advertising for the Conservative Party? "Have a say, join today! Penny Mordaunt needs your help! Save the country from Liz Truss, for just £5 a year!"
>> No. 96436 Anonymous
18th July 2022
Monday 2:37 am
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>>96435
Possibly? I don't even know. I know it cost twice as much to be part of the Labour party.

"TITS FOR JUST 2 QUID A MONTH"
>> No. 96437 Anonymous
18th July 2022
Monday 12:42 pm
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>>96436
I will admit I guessed the membership fees. But I have since looked them up, and you can be a Conservative member for £5 a year if you're under 26, or it's £25 a year for everyone else. Armed Forces get a discount and can join for £15 a year.

Anyway, I came here to say that Tuesday's leadership debate has been cancelled. I think Rishi Sunak and Liz Truss both pulled out, which wasn't very leaderly of either of them.
>> No. 96438 Anonymous
18th July 2022
Monday 12:43 pm
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>>96437

Not another one of those "Bring Boris back" nutjobs.
>> No. 96439 Anonymous
18th July 2022
Monday 1:14 pm
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I bet Kemi has nice feet.
>> No. 96440 Anonymous
18th July 2022
Monday 3:06 pm
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>>96438
That's fair enough, but I would nevertheless like to state for the record now that we will absolutely miss Boris a year from now. Every candidate is a long way to the right of where he was, and we can kiss any of that levelling-up investment goodbye. And I won't be surprised if our next Prime Minister is also a blustering degenerate just like Boris was.
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18th July 2022
Monday 3:29 pm
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>Every candidate is a long way to the right of where he was, and we can kiss any of that levelling-up investment goodbye

I think I warned you lot about this. Rishi and Johnson didn't just start falling out last year because of a popularity contest but because of fundamental disagreements on spending with the Treasury taking a much more cynical tone to net zero that delayed government strategy:
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/oct/16/treasury-leak-reveals-rift-between-johnson-and-sunak-over-costs-of-zero-carbon-economy

Johnson's mistake was not defecting to the Labour party when he was messing about with London. From then on it was a deal with the devil where he would bring majorities and the Tories might chuck a couple quid north.
>> No. 96442 Anonymous
18th July 2022
Monday 3:38 pm
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>>96440
He was lying, you nimrod. Jesus Christ, there was far too many people in this country who'd believe Johnson if he told them "I'm not actually fucking your wife, this is all a dream, go back to sleep".
>> No. 96443 Anonymous
18th July 2022
Monday 5:19 pm
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>>96440

>we can kiss any of that levelling-up investment goodbye

That assumes any of it ever existed in the first place. How many of those 40 "new hospitals" have been built?

It was quite fortunate of covid to come along and force them to spunk £400 billion directly into the pockets of business owners, or else we might have had to see them attempt to actually deliver on any of that, which I'm sure would have been hilarious.
>> No. 96444 Anonymous
18th July 2022
Monday 6:23 pm
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>>96443
I like that my local hospital's roof is held up with Acrow props, cable ties and bits of 2x4, and I won't hear a word said against St Boris and his promises.
>> No. 96445 Anonymous
18th July 2022
Monday 6:45 pm
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Boris ranting like he was coked to the gills during his remarks in Parliament today.

Skipping work, LARPing in fighter jets, planning a leaving do at Chequers this weekend.

Man is an utterly contemptible cunt.
>> No. 96446 Anonymous
18th July 2022
Monday 6:58 pm
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>>96445
As little effort as he made before, he's hardly going to go straight after being essentially sacked.
>> No. 96447 Anonymous
18th July 2022
Monday 7:09 pm
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What would it take for Lord Lebedev's peerage to be revoked?
>> No. 96448 Anonymous
18th July 2022
Monday 7:14 pm
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>>96447
I'm too busy GAMING to look into it myself, but when was the last time a peerage was revoked?
>> No. 96449 Anonymous
18th July 2022
Monday 8:05 pm
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Action Man's canned.
>> No. 96450 Anonymous
18th July 2022
Monday 8:12 pm
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>>96445
>LARPing in fighter jets

The deal with Japan is absolutely huge ladm9. I know .gs is full of limp-wristed girly-men but we've gone from a project rumoured to follow the Loyal Wingman Project into the dustbin of history into a project that will deliver far-before the continental monstrosity with the resulting export potential across Europe.

To make things better it's setting up joint UK-Japan defence collaboration at a time when it's own budget is ballooning and there remain bad feelings with working with the Americans after the F-2 project.

(A good day to you Sir!)
>> No. 96451 Anonymous
18th July 2022
Monday 8:40 pm
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Will Mordaunt cling on or will she lose out to Truss? Sunak's almost certainly in the final two.
>> No. 96452 Anonymous
18th July 2022
Monday 8:46 pm
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>>96448

1917. A bunch of lesser Royals got shitcanned for being Nazis innit?
>> No. 96455 Anonymous
18th July 2022
Monday 9:57 pm
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>>96452

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titles_Deprivation_Act_1917

It's quite a formal process. In most former as well as extant European monarchies, all you have or had to do was commit serious crimes in order to lose your titles automatically.
>> No. 96456 Anonymous
18th July 2022
Monday 10:17 pm
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The Party has regained their confidence in Dear Leader.

I'm starting to think that this lot are all a bit to emotionally labile to run a cuntry in a time of crises
>> No. 96457 Anonymous
18th July 2022
Monday 10:55 pm
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>>96451
When Badenoch drops out her votes will go to Truss and put her over by a large margin. I suppose it's fitting that the PM will sound like a primary school teacher right up until the next GE when Labour will eat her alive.
>> No. 96459 Anonymous
19th July 2022
Tuesday 7:12 am
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>>96457
How dare you besmirch primary teachers like that? Truss is far more like the awful secondary school teacher her superiors give a glowing reference for just to get shot of her.
>> No. 96460 Anonymous
19th July 2022
Tuesday 11:09 am
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>>96456
I was reading about Tobias Ellwood losing the whip over it, but this was what struck me the most.
>Other Conservative MPs cancelled foreign trips, left poorly relatives and one MP’s mother died on the morning of the vote and still attended and voted, the source said.

Fucking animals.
>> No. 96462 Anonymous
19th July 2022
Tuesday 2:11 pm
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Another leadership candidate will be voted out in around an hour's time. It'll probably be Kemito Badenussolini, but I'd rather see Liz Truss go out to be honest. She is an establishment figure whose experience and connections seemingly aren't helping her, so what's the point?
>> No. 96463 Anonymous
19th July 2022
Tuesday 2:21 pm
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>>96462
As someone pointed out earlier, Truss is the most likely to pick up supporters when Badenoch drops out so she's likely to leapfrog Mordaunt into the final two.

Mordaunt has lost of all the momentum she had when people didn't know who she was.
>> No. 96464 Anonymous
19th July 2022
Tuesday 2:58 pm
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Mordaunt had it all, brains, beauty, respect. And she spunked it all away by being a boring cunt and for not hating evangelist christian korean youtubers until everyone dragged her for not hating evangelist christian korean youtubers so she decided to hate evangelist christian korean youtubers.
>> No. 96465 Anonymous
19th July 2022
Tuesday 3:20 pm
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>>96464
But still, she hasn't made an impression on foreign governments yet. She's still unknown. Liz Truss is probably a household name in the Bundestag and whatever the French government is called, and it's got her nowhere. She is pretty much at her political ceiling. And it's shit. We know she's going to be bad; why not take a chance on a new face who will only probably be bad? But I suppose that sort of gamble is the very definition of unconservative.
>> No. 96466 Anonymous
19th July 2022
Tuesday 3:31 pm
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Beautiful Nubian goddess Kemi out.
>> No. 96467 Anonymous
19th July 2022
Tuesday 8:52 pm
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>>96460
But if I didn't go and vote they'd have [checks notes] withdrawn the whip for a couple of months until it inevitably became politically necessary to give it back, like they've done for fraudsters, wife-beaters and literal child rapists.
>> No. 96468 Anonymous
19th July 2022
Tuesday 9:43 pm
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>>96462
>Kemito Badenussolini
I can't believe I have only thought now, once it is too late, to call her Kemi Bad-enoch Powell.
>> No. 96473 Anonymous
20th July 2022
Wednesday 4:12 pm
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The party is over.
>> No. 96474 Anonymous
20th July 2022
Wednesday 4:18 pm
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Pm Liz Truss.
God help us.
>> No. 96475 Anonymous
20th July 2022
Wednesday 4:30 pm
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Look, I know it's looking grim, but maybe Boris Johnson with a fanny with be a better Prime Minister than Boris Johnson with a knob. We probably could have saved ourselves loads of time by just pinning Big Dog down in the commons and slicing his off, but we've committed to our present actions and now we've got to finish them.
>> No. 96476 Anonymous
20th July 2022
Wednesday 4:43 pm
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>>96474

This is great news, Labour will walk it with a mong like her in charge. We're saved.
>> No. 96477 Anonymous
20th July 2022
Wednesday 5:45 pm
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>>96476
I can't wait for Kier to absolutely wreck her week in week out at the box, then for the country to vote for Cons anyway because they don't like him.
>> No. 96478 Anonymous
20th July 2022
Wednesday 6:01 pm
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Why does nobody think Rishi can be Prime Minister? Sure, he's a slimy careerist who stands for nothing and is guilty of everything Boris was guilty of, plus he has an American green card and seemingly wants as little to do with this country as he can get away with, but Liz Truss got tricked by Sergei Lavrov live on TV and it wasn't even a particularly clever trick.
>> No. 96479 Anonymous
20th July 2022
Wednesday 6:10 pm
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>>96474
God no, please.
>> No. 96480 Anonymous
20th July 2022
Wednesday 6:29 pm
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>>96479
We've had the Churchill-cum-clown impressionist, now it's time for the tragic Thatcher tribute act. Plus, just imagine the kinds of wankers she's going to put in her cabinet. It's going to look like closing time at a psychiatric prison.

>>96478
I don't think anyone likes him, that's why. Sunak horrified libertarian types by spending money and raising taxes to stop the economy shitting itself inside out (for a time), and while he might have wanted to leave the EU before it was cool, he isn't the kind of singing-two-bombers at the Germans, red-meat-and-a-pint bloke the Brexit-Ultras like. Culturally, personally, he might as well be a remainer.

Apologies if I've gone hyphen mad, but I can't be arsed agonising over it any longer. It's as readable as I can make it.
>> No. 96481 Anonymous
20th July 2022
Wednesday 6:32 pm
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>>96478
He's got a weird head/face. The Spitting Image puppet of Rishi looks more like a normal human being than Rishi himself. Also his wife is a crook, and his whole "I'm proud of my father of law for being so wealthy" line made him look like a cunt.
>> No. 96482 Anonymous
20th July 2022
Wednesday 6:45 pm
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>>96478
Conservative Home polling of members had:

- Kemi beating everyone else.
- Truss beating Mordaunt, Sunak and Tugendhat.
- Sunak beating Mordaunt and Tugendhat.
- Mordaunt beating Tugendhat.

https://conservativehome.com/2022/07/17/the-complete-run-offs-from-our-next-tory-leader-survey-badenoch-first-truss-second-sunak-third-mordaunt-fourth-tugendhat-fifth/
>> No. 96483 Anonymous
20th July 2022
Wednesday 7:15 pm
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>>96480

>while he might have wanted to leave the EU before it was cool, he isn't the kind of singing-two-bombers at the Germans, red-meat-and-a-pint bloke

This is the crux of it for him I think, and without wanting to delve into idpol, I think it is a bit because he's brown. Not because people are racist against him, I must stress; but rather because he's a descendant of colonials, you can never really buy the idea of patriotism from him. You know any attempt he makes at appearing patriotic is a lie, and that really he feels nothing but indifference verging towards mild contempt.

The Brexit lot have been sold a lie, but it's a lie they were willing to swallow from someone like Johnson. You can convince yourself it's because he really does want to Bring Back Britain. When it's someone like Sunak, you can see straight through the sales pitch and it's immediately clear that it's really for the benefit of him and his rich wanker City of London mates.

(Incidentally I think I've just coined Labour's next election slogan. Bring Back Britain. It works on a great many levels.)
>> No. 96484 Anonymous
20th July 2022
Wednesday 10:08 pm
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>> No. 96485 Anonymous
20th July 2022
Wednesday 10:15 pm
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>>96484

I wouldn't trust her to deliver a pizza.
>> No. 96486 Anonymous
20th July 2022
Wednesday 10:17 pm
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>>96484>>96485
Idk, I reckon she could manage to fall down. Even Truss couldn't cock up gravity.

Are we all talking about PM Truss because it's a sure thing with the weirdo Conservative members or just because it would be funnier than a technocratic libertarian like Sunak?
>> No. 96487 Anonymous
20th July 2022
Wednesday 11:58 pm
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>>96484

Hoping she uses this as her theme tune:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Cxry9cLFQI
>> No. 96488 Anonymous
21st July 2022
Thursday 2:02 am
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>>96486
She's the current favourite, but they've all been favourite at one point or another. It would definitely, definitely be funnier to see her be Prime Minister, though.
>> No. 96489 Anonymous
21st July 2022
Thursday 8:12 am
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>>96488
Especially if she does indeed hit the ground and faceplant on the steps of Downing Street on day one as promised.
>> No. 96490 Anonymous
21st July 2022
Thursday 11:42 am
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Decent feet to be honest.
>> No. 96491 Anonymous
21st July 2022
Thursday 12:10 pm
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>>96490
This needs to stop. Do you promise this will.be the last one? There are no more candidates.
>> No. 96492 Anonymous
21st July 2022
Thursday 4:09 pm
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-610c0x1ks
>> No. 96493 Anonymous
21st July 2022
Thursday 8:04 pm
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>>96492

Alright mate, you've got me, I would.
>> No. 96494 Anonymous
22nd July 2022
Friday 5:40 am
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>>96491
You say that, but apparently a bunch of Tory members are demanding Boris be added to the ballot.

He really, really doesn't want to go, does he?
>> No. 96495 Anonymous
22nd July 2022
Friday 10:01 am
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>>96494
I saw yesterday that if he really did mislead the House, and he's no longer Prime Minister, he could have to fight a by-election to keep his seat. His constituents would need to have a recall petition and all manner of unlikely things would need to happen, but I live in hope.
>> No. 96496 Anonymous
22nd July 2022
Friday 1:45 pm
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>>96495
>but I live in hope.
Still!?
>> No. 96497 Anonymous
22nd July 2022
Friday 2:32 pm
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Whatever happens next month, Boris' greatest lasting legacy will be that he has been the biggest driving force in the enshitification of British Politics and this is pretty much it until a Civil War or Peasant Revolt or something.
>> No. 96498 Anonymous
22nd July 2022
Friday 2:33 pm
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>>96495
I think it's only 10% of the electorate that need to sign the petition, so I suspect that could be reached if the council put out a decent number of signing locations. That said, Hillingdon is a Tory council, so it'll depend on how strongly councillors support him - if they like him, they'll probably interfere to ensure only the bare minimum of locations are opened.
>> No. 96499 Anonymous
22nd July 2022
Friday 8:55 pm
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>>96261
Why doesn't Truss say she'll make Sunak chancellor? Wouldn't that guarantee a win?
She can sack him a few weeks later after he's failed to fix the economy or whatever.
>> No. 96500 Anonymous
23rd July 2022
Saturday 1:47 am
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>>96499
Good move, because if he turns around and says he wouldn't do that job under her, it undermines his time under Boris.
>> No. 96501 Anonymous
23rd July 2022
Saturday 2:26 am
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>>96497
There'd be no Boris without Blair and no Blair without Thatcher. He's just a terminal stage symptom of an underlying disease, not the disease itself. Sure, it just seemed like a bit of shortness of breath in 1987 and a rather annoying cough in 2001, but that doesn't mean it was safe to leave untreated.
>> No. 96502 Anonymous
23rd July 2022
Saturday 1:16 pm
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Lots of Sunak photos with his wife and children today. Obviously painting his as a family man can't hurt, but it also implies he might be of a somehwat normal height, despite the reality.
>> No. 96503 Anonymous
23rd July 2022
Saturday 1:31 pm
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A question. Should it be Gonna', or should it be Go'n'a?
>> No. 96504 Anonymous
23rd July 2022
Saturday 3:27 pm
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>>96503
It shouldn't be either because both are mental, but the second one at least obeys grammatical rules.

I watched Rishi's campaign speech earlier today on TV. It was absolutely dire, but as part of the threadbare man-of-the-people bullshit spiel, he talked about his dad working in the NHS and his mum running the chemist on Burgess Road in Southampton. That used to be my local chemist! Thousands of students at the University of Southampton will be able to say the same thing. He'd probably left by then, but it's fascinating to discover that the dumb cow who sold me sleeping pills to tackle a rash in 2006 might have been Rishi Sunak's mother.
>> No. 96505 Anonymous
23rd July 2022
Saturday 7:22 pm
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If they still want to level up the north, then they really need to be hitting the streets of Manchester, particularly near the canals.
>> No. 96506 Anonymous
23rd July 2022
Saturday 7:38 pm
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>>96505
I cycled through Cheetham Hill last weekend. I don't think they do want to level up the north.

Although, why do political parties always have their conferences in places that hate them? The Conservatives have theirs in Manchester, where they are perpetually unelectable, and either Labour or the Liberal Democrats go to Brighton, until recently the only Green-voting constituency in the country. It's an act of trolling; it must be.
>> No. 96507 Anonymous
24th July 2022
Sunday 11:41 am
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Sunak delivering this speech with the same tone of voice one would use to convince a demented care home resident that 'yes, you do live here, and yes, it is in fact now time for you to go to bed'.
>> No. 96509 Anonymous
24th July 2022
Sunday 11:44 am
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>>96507
I'd prefer a grip from the other candidate IYKWIM.
>> No. 96510 Anonymous
24th July 2022
Sunday 12:33 pm
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>> No. 96513 Anonymous
24th July 2022
Sunday 2:43 pm
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>>96510
Isn't that a smaller lead than a week ago? I thought Liz Truss had over 70% at one point.
>> No. 96514 Anonymous
24th July 2022
Sunday 2:58 pm
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>>96513
Previous YouGov polling was about 60-40 in favour of Truss, so no real change.
>> No. 96516 Anonymous
24th July 2022
Sunday 8:18 pm
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Fucking hell!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62281041
>Liz Truss and Rishi Sunak have vowed to toughen controls on migration into the UK as part of their bids to become next Tory leader and prime minister.
>Mr Sunak said he would tighten the definition of who qualifies for asylum and introduce a cap on refugee numbers.
>Ms Truss said she would extend the UK's Rwanda asylum plan and increase the number of Border Force staff.

You absolute fucking imbeciles. You idiots. You retards, you spastics, you mongs, you braindead halfwit simpletons. We already don't have enough people to do all the jobs, which in turn is driving wages up (for some people) as employers compete for workers, and that in turn is driving inflation. If you want to tackle inflation, actually welcoming more immigrants would be one of the easiest things you could do. But these economically illiterate thickos would rather make things worse, because that's the easiest way to appeal to the echoing voids in the skulls of party members. Absolute fucking idiots. Jesus Christ.

It's a good thing they're not actually going to do any of this, nor indeed even try. Perhaps my wages will go up too by only a reasonable amount.
>> No. 96517 Anonymous
24th July 2022
Sunday 9:27 pm
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>>96516

>and that in turn is driving inflation

No it's not. Wage growth has very little to do with the present inflationary problem, not in the least because most peoples wages have barely kept up with inflation for the last decade and a half.

I refer the honourable gentleman to this image from another thread.

>>95613

The Tories have literally never made a difference to immigration, despite all the rhetoric they spit out about it, because maintaining a surplus of labour is a fundamentally right wing policy. The Tories have always been and always will be in favour of migration, and no matter what they say, they're not going to make serious attempts to bring it down.

Given that you acknowledge this, why are you seething about it so much? Have you tried turning your brain on and thinking about why these issues exist for yourself, instead of believing what the Telegraph says?
>> No. 96518 Anonymous
24th July 2022
Sunday 9:48 pm
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>>96516
Wait... Why are you angry? It is good. Wages have been depressed for far too long. You sound like a great idpol Thatcherite.

Also, I remember a whole argument about how immigrants were not depressing wages back before we left the EU. Funny how everyone quietly accepted that it was and is true.
>> No. 96519 Anonymous
24th July 2022
Sunday 10:18 pm
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>>96518

Wage increases don't help anyone if it just gets eaten up by inflation. We can only have non-inflationary wage rises by increasing productivity, otherwise you've just got more money chasing the same amount of stuff. The unions regularly won double-digit pay awards back in the 70s, but it didn't make anyone better off.
>> No. 96521 Anonymous
24th July 2022
Sunday 10:32 pm
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>>96519 Wage increases don't help anyone if it just gets eaten up by inflation.

There's a chance that house prices won't track inflation (likely in a recession / depression) and we can have a crash without a crash.
>> No. 96522 Anonymous
24th July 2022
Sunday 10:36 pm
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>>96521

This inflation is driven by the endless pursuit of profits by corporations by despite capturing value from exisiting systems rather than creating value
>> No. 96524 Anonymous
24th July 2022
Sunday 10:44 pm
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>>96522

No, they're still creating value. It's just that workers and employees see less of the fruit of their labour in their wallets.

And they're also not seeing much of the productivity increases that they achieve. If we just go by productivity, then any mid-level office worker is probably four to five times more productive on a given day today than 30 or 40 years ago. But during the same time, wages have risen significantly less than that, especially when considering inflation.

Yes, I only pulled the figure "four to five times" out of my arse, but I'm sure it'll hold up if you compare actual numbers.
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24th July 2022
Sunday 10:56 pm
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>>96519
>The unions regularly won double-digit pay awards back in the 70s, but it didn't make anyone better off.
Au contraire: People weren't getting 20% better off at a stroke, but real wages were still increasing over time. (And, lest we forget, inflation was steadily falling too, punctuated by a second oil shock.)
Plenty of countries have a productivity problem. In the first world only Britain combines stagnant wages with economic growth.
also, it's noteworthy that we look at productivity as a worker problem - "why didn't you become a plumber?" - rather than a firm problem: "why didn't you invest in a widget-making machine so simple even an arts graduate can use it with 15 minutes training?" or even an investor problem: "why did you put all that money into an American metaverse scam rather than a British firm that might actually produce something?"
>> No. 96526 Anonymous
24th July 2022
Sunday 11:04 pm
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>>96524

https://www.ft.com/content/ef4e1be1-67aa-40cf-8a45-25086e0a42ac

nah lad.

Rentiers and Shareholders are fucking parasites and this is bad for Society as a whole. This is basically what Adam Smith was banging on about in the Wealth of Nations.
>> No. 96527 Anonymous
24th July 2022
Sunday 11:23 pm
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>>96526

That problem is as old as the concept of stocks and shares. And not only that. Even the lowliest cornershop owner will try to sneak a cost-plus markup past his consumers for a packet of fags in times when everybody's talking about high inflation.

What that doesn't explain is all the bullshit jobs that have emerged in the last 20 or 30 years. It's something that the movie Office Space touched on in a roundabout way and was one of the first to do so. You have job descriptions that sound like finest bullshit bingo, where people actually get paid to be present at a company ten hours a day, but they really aren't doing much at all to create real value.

But I stand by my argument that in general, productivity has risen far more in the last 40 years than the share of it that people on a payroll have seen.
>> No. 96546 Anonymous
25th July 2022
Monday 9:39 pm
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They are on BBC. Lizz doesn't seem so awful.
>> No. 96547 Anonymous
25th July 2022
Monday 10:34 pm
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Tangentially related but it turns out Johnson is guilt-free when it comes to "MPs not being charged for partygate because they just didn't return their questionnaires to the police" because the Met never sent him one to fill out.
>> No. 96548 Anonymous
25th July 2022
Monday 10:36 pm
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>>96546
>Liz Truss would be even worse than Boris. She’s about as close to properly crackers as anybody I’ve met in Parliament.

https://unherd.com/2022/05/dominic-cummings-i-dont-like-parties/

Doesn't instil confidence. Say what you will about his role in Brexit, Cummings was exactly the sort of mind I was happy to see in government and I'm wary about his assessment.
>> No. 96549 Anonymous
25th July 2022
Monday 11:33 pm
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>>96548
If it wasn't for the fact he disagrees with me on the very biggest issues, he'd be my favourite political figure, almost certainly. His honesty is so refreshing, and he is frequently right (except when he disagrees with me about things). And he absolutely does not give a fuck. He is, as other imageboards would say, "based". He is the most based man in politics.

He certainly would never have come up with the debate tactic to tell Rishi to just aggressively shout over Liz Truss continuously in order to win over voters.
>> No. 96550 Anonymous
26th July 2022
Tuesday 12:49 am
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>>96549

Ehh. His honesty is always refreshing, but the only reason he can be honest is because he's not an MP. He's right about a lot of things, but all it comes down to is that he's capable of taking the blinkers off. I've seen him make points that anti-idpol classlad would probably scream "I told you so" about.

Other than that, though, I find his levels of cognitive dissonance quite staggering. Basically everything he says is a deflection, some variation on:

>it was a total disaster, but if we hadn't done wot we done, it would have been even worse!

He's got no choice but to rationalise everything him and his team are responsible as some sort of necessary evil, because admitting they are responsible for basically every problem the country is facing right now would presumably make it quite difficult to sleep at night.

Corbyn seems to have really put the willies up people like him an'all, which I will never not find equal measures of amusing and deeply telling.
>> No. 96551 Anonymous
26th July 2022
Tuesday 6:39 pm
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Imagine if one of them was given soup for brains by a falling light fixture, instant classic TV moment right there.
>> No. 96552 Anonymous
26th July 2022
Tuesday 7:53 pm
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>>96551
Regrettably, it was just the moderator fainting. She's come around now, but at least we get to say that Liz Truss talking nonsense caused someone to collapse.

In other tragic Talk TV news, Piers Morgan went to Ukraine and has sadly made it back alive.
>> No. 96553 Anonymous
26th July 2022
Tuesday 8:51 pm
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Had the debate already started? Or did she faint beforehand? What I'm really asking is, is there a clip of it?

Also, I can't believe Madeleine McCann's mother presents TalkTV.
>> No. 96554 Anonymous
26th July 2022
Tuesday 9:04 pm
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>>96553
It's on basically every "front page".

>> No. 96555 Anonymous
26th July 2022
Tuesday 9:14 pm
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>>96554
Thank you very much. I must say I think Liz Truss handled that moderately well; she shows concern but not in a way that is charismatic enough to make people pay attention. She's a real human being, who doesn't actually ask if someone is okay but instead shuffles awkwardly towards them, just like you and me. Rishi stands no chance.
>> No. 96556 Anonymous
27th July 2022
Wednesday 8:06 pm
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>> No. 96557 Anonymous
27th July 2022
Wednesday 8:24 pm
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>>96556

I've tentatively defended him up til now on the basis that "safe pair of hands" is a relatively sound strategy, but nah, it's that old Labour thing of always fighting the previous election. Right now there's an appetite for a real alternative to the Conservatives, but he's still fighting 2019's battle for the populist centre ground.

It'll never change.
>> No. 96558 Anonymous
27th July 2022
Wednesday 10:06 pm
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>>96557
If Liz Truss makes even a half-decent go at the cost of living crisis over the Winter it could quite possibly reverse Tory fortunes, and it's all because Starmer's not yet laid down the foundations for what Labour currently stand for, even after all this time. It might not even take that, and it's certainly not a given, but Labour just have nothing to "sell" to the electorate meaning they're very vulnerable to being swept away. It's important to remember that the government is unlikely to have another perma-meltdown like it's been having since November-December of last year, but Starmer and his team are seemingly, heheh... labouring, heheheh, ahem, under that delusion.
>> No. 96559 Anonymous
27th July 2022
Wednesday 10:18 pm
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>>96558
Labour suggested the windfall tax; that was a policy they would have brought in if they had been in power. The Conservatives wound up taking it as their own policy. Perhaps, if we all just shut our eyes and hold hands in a big circle and just believe, Labour will have other policies that they're just not announcing until it's too late for Liz Truss to steal them all.
>> No. 96560 Anonymous
27th July 2022
Wednesday 10:52 pm
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>>96480
>We've had the Churchill-cum-clown impressionist, now it's time for the tragic Thatcher tribute act

So by this logic, the next Tory hopeful will LARP as John Major?
>> No. 96561 Anonymous
27th July 2022
Wednesday 11:35 pm
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>>96558

>It's important to remember that the government is unlikely to have another perma-meltdown like it's been having since November-December of last year

Yeah. This is the decline mate. The future is what it has been but worse.

Think about the time in your life where things were best. Work was well paid, your money went furthest etc etc. It will never be as good as that again. None of that is coming back.
>> No. 96562 Anonymous
28th July 2022
Thursday 1:21 am
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>>96558

Liz Truss has all of the flaws of Theresa May with none of the virtues. Think about that sentence for a minute.

I'd say that the Tories are having their Corbyn moment, but it's worse than that. They've fiddled the leadership election to put someone in Number 10 who is hugely unpopular with the wider electorate for no discernible reason. Why not Mordaunt? Why not Tudendhat? Why not anyone who is within sight of Starmer in the polls? Nobody seems able to tell me, other than vague inklings that they aren't Brexity enough.

My only way of explaining the decision is that Truss is a blank slate, sufficiently devoid of personality and principle that she can stand in for whichever leader you'd rather have. Her complete deadness behind the eyes is revolting to the average voter, but it allows the average Tory member or MP to pretend that their party isn't coming apart at the seams. No matter how daunting the issue or how bitter the division, Truss will be there with a meaningless platitude to lull you into a coma of complacency.

>>96558

The electorate really doesn't care. Boris won a storming majority based on an entirely opportunistic three word manifesto - Get Brexit Done. Covid was if anything quite opportune for Johnson, because it concealed his complete lack of a plan beyond getting any kind of Brexit deal at any cost and delayed the political consequences of the awful deal that he did get.

Laying out detailed policy proposals at this stage is futile, partly because (as >>96559 suggests) the Tories will just nick anything that looks like a good idea and deliver a watered-down version, but mostly because it's impossible to predict what the next general election will be fought over. It's possible that Putin and Zelensky will have signed a peace treaty, gas prices will be returning to normal and inflation will be heading back to manageable levels. It's equally possible that people will be looking at paying £5,000 a year for gas and leccy. It's less likely, but still absolutely possible, that we'll be teetering on the brink of nuclear war and The One Show will have Lawrence Llewellyn-Bowen on to show people how to decorate their fallout shelters. The tone of the next election could be "everything is returning to normal, so let's get things fixed" or "I promise you the plumpest, juciest rats in the new subterranean kingdom of irradiated mutants".

Starmer would be a fool to do anything more than set a general tone for his leadership - patriotic, pragmatic, competent, reassuringly dull - because any plans he might make will almost certainly be overtaken by world events. I'm not quite as pessimistic as >>96561, but the next ten or twenty years are going to have a lot of exceedingly ugly surprises in store. Chaos is the new normal for the foreseeable future and we need to get used to it.
>> No. 96563 Anonymous
28th July 2022
Thursday 4:37 am
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>>96562
Starmer's been making plenty of plans that were overtaken by events. Let's say we're in the £5,000 a year for electricity timeline: why, then, rule out renationalising energy companies so far in advance? Particularly when it's a policy that has been popular with the public for at least a decade? It's not a demented nutter Corbyn policy - Macron went and did it. I'm not saying he should've committed to it either, but ruling it out in dynamic circumstances is just as big an announcement as ruling it in during stable ones.

The answer makes him sound clever now, but has elements of Shakespearean tragedy given historical precedent: Because the election won't be decided by voters directly, but through mediation by the press. It was the press that toppled Johnson, and Starmer thinks that if he gets them on-side (by performing the world's saddest Blair tribute act) then he'll win the next election with their support despite his lamentable personal qualities. Truss, the great unknown, may just piss off the papers and then he'll get in for reassuring the press he won't hurt anyone's share portfolios.
But my inner forensic lawyer looks at precedent: There are no Labour prime ministers who scraped in on the back of press support and an awful lot of Labour wannabes with odd voices and awkward personal mannerisms who polled like they could do it until they blew it. If the press turn on Labour at the last minute - most tragically if they just make up that he's a rabid lefty anyway while giving Truss the aura of an actual leader, not looking like a PM offset by her actually being PM - his place in history as yet another Labour loser will be secure. "The world's saddest Blair tribute act" will become the world's saddest Kinnock tribute act. Yet oddly when I retell confabulations of past elections and David Hare's "The Absence of War" to my tribal allies in the rubble of what used to be a park and ride, a grand tragicomedy from the old times, they always want to hear the 1992 version - never 2023.
>> No. 96564 Anonymous
28th July 2022
Thursday 2:18 pm
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>>96561
It does feel a bit like a slow apocalypse since 2020.
>> No. 96565 Anonymous
31st July 2022
Sunday 2:06 pm
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Someone has just posted Im Nin'Alu in the "Songs in other languages" thread, and Wikipedia has informed me that it was sampled by a song called "Can't Truss It". I propose we try and make it Rishi Sunak's campaign anthem. I know nothing about this song but I assume it will be perfectly appropriate for such a thing.


>> No. 96566 Anonymous
31st July 2022
Sunday 4:24 pm
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>>96561
Well yesterday I bought 16 Rice Krispie Squares for £2.
>> No. 96580 Anonymous
1st August 2022
Monday 8:24 pm
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Truss leads Starmer in polling.
>> No. 96582 Anonymous
1st August 2022
Monday 8:41 pm
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>>96580
All because she's more popular than Rishi Sunak. He's tanking his own campaign to ensure the continued survival of the party. What a man.
>> No. 96584 Anonymous
1st August 2022
Monday 9:28 pm
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>>96582
Sunak was handing out care packages to journalists. Coke in case they got thirst, Twix in case they got hungry, and sunscreen in case they got stuck behind him.
>> No. 96585 Anonymous
1st August 2022
Monday 9:33 pm
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>>96582

I'd start quoting Gunga Din, but I don't think my education was expensive enough for me to get away with it. I'll have to settle for calling Sunak the Captain Oates of Tory bastardry.
>> No. 96586 Anonymous
1st August 2022
Monday 9:42 pm
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>>96580

Hardly a surprise. Labour are doing their usual thing, taking advantage of an occasion where their enemy is in complete turmoil by attacking each other instead.

I really hate this tendency in the Labour party, I hated it when it was the Blairites undermining Corbyn, and I still hate it now that it's the Momentumites undermining Starmer. It's like they start feeling left out when there aren't enough articles in the papers slagging them off.
>> No. 96587 Anonymous
1st August 2022
Monday 10:33 pm
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>>96586
You can't blame the far-left. Lisa Nandy is not exactly Rosa Luxemburg, I doubt the rest of the anonymous Shadow Cabinet members who are perplexed by Starmer's spasmodic opinions on strikes are of that stripe either. In fact I know they aren't, Jessica Elgot has written as much:
>Many shadow ministers – most not on the left of the party – said they had long resented the policy. One said those who had attended picket lines at the last strike had got the “full hairdryer treatment” from a senior aide in Starmer’s office and been given dark ultimatums about attending again.
>“Unhappiness on this is very widespread on the frontbench,” the shadow minister said. “It is not just on the left. Unions are where most people on the front bench have come from – or [they have] worked in unionised industries.”
You can't just stick your fingers in your ears and act like an entire Summer of industrial action isn't happening. Stamer's obsession with the internal discipline of Labour means he's neglected the outward facing stuff the public give a crap about.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/aug/01/bt-and-openreach-strike-lisa-nandy-visits-picket-line-in-wigan
>> No. 96590 Anonymous
2nd August 2022
Tuesday 11:24 pm
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>Liz Truss has scrapped a plan to link public sector pay to local living costs following a backlash from Tory MPs and opposition parties.

>The Tory leadership candidate had proposed regional pay boards, in a bid to save taxpayers a potential £8.8bn. But the policy was criticised by several senior Tories, who argued it would mean lower pay for millions of workers outside London.

>Ms Truss has now said the proposal would not be taken forward.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62390016

Thick as mince. It seems like her and Sunak are trying to outdo one another with absolutely terrible ideas.
>> No. 96591 Anonymous
3rd August 2022
Wednesday 12:13 am
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>>96590

Well, she had to try find the money from somewhere to fund £21bn worth of pensioner's payrises, so points for effort at least.
>> No. 96592 Anonymous
3rd August 2022
Wednesday 8:26 am
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Rishi says people who "vilify" Britain will have to be reported to Prevent as extremists. These people really are just doing fascism-for-profit, aren't they?
>> No. 96593 Anonymous
3rd August 2022
Wednesday 9:10 am
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>>96592
Does that involve "talking Britain down" about Brexit?
>> No. 96594 Anonymous
3rd August 2022
Wednesday 9:50 am
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>>96593

I imagine it involves whatever they can get away with claiming it involves.
>> No. 96595 Anonymous
3rd August 2022
Wednesday 10:35 am
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>>96592
Now he gets it...
>> No. 96596 Anonymous
3rd August 2022
Wednesday 10:46 am
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>>96592

I really don't like when people throw the word fascism around to describe what our conservative politicians are doing, or want to do. I have entirely too much respect for fascism to let it be associated with these worms.
>> No. 96597 Anonymous
3rd August 2022
Wednesday 11:00 am
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>>96596

It's fascism in the service of greed rather than for its own sake, but it is fascism.
>> No. 96598 Anonymous
3rd August 2022
Wednesday 3:25 pm
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I for one think it's a good policy and will be glad to see the back of you extremist wronguns. Indeed, should the authorities require assistance in tracking any of you down I would like to volunteer to help - especially if they'll let me on the case of finding the chap who makes unhinged posts in political threads using my IP address.
>> No. 96601 Anonymous
6th August 2022
Saturday 12:14 am
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Impressive. Saying the quiet part out loud.
>> No. 96602 Anonymous
6th August 2022
Saturday 5:36 pm
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>>96548
How much would it take to get Dom to lube up and use Truss as a glove puppet? She's clearly hollow. Hell, maybe he could just wear her skin like in that Men in Black documentary I saw a while back. Or we've all seen him doing his dance from silence of the lambs - maybe that?
Fuck's sake, she's my MP, and she's a deranged simpleton. Surely someone, somewhere, can puppet her?
This is going to be dreadful, isn't it?
>> No. 96603 Anonymous
7th August 2022
Sunday 12:57 pm
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I can't believe we're still a month out from having a government. Even when we do have one it's looking as if it's only function will be to fly at you with a knife if you step out of line or question the wisdom of "what if no state?".

I remember how chuffed I was when the exit polls for the 2017 GE came in and I thought "bloody yes, we're turning this thing around, at last". What an utter buffoon I was.
>> No. 96604 Anonymous
7th August 2022
Sunday 9:45 pm
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They're interviewing Rishi Sunak on Sky News. I think it's a repeat of the last debate they had, so it's not live. Anyway, he reminds me of someone, and starting now I shall be referring to him as Ed Mili-tanned.
>> No. 96605 Anonymous
8th August 2022
Monday 1:20 am
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>>96604
Please. Ed was much better than him.
>> No. 96606 Anonymous
8th August 2022
Monday 12:12 pm
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>> No. 96607 Anonymous
8th August 2022
Monday 12:28 pm
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It's okay. Everything's fine. Starmer has a great plan to turn this around, just you wait, any day now...
>> No. 96608 Anonymous
8th August 2022
Monday 2:27 pm
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"Let's Keep Brexit Safe" has got to be the most psychotic thing any of them have said during hustings.

Anybody disagree?
>> No. 96609 Anonymous
8th August 2022
Monday 3:24 pm
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>>96608
Sunak trying to get all Brexit-y just doesn't work. Like I said earlier in the thread, he might have been there from the start, but he'll never one of them.
>> No. 96610 Anonymous
8th August 2022
Monday 3:34 pm
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>>96608
I haven't been following that, and I cannot for the life of me imagine the context in which those words were said. Is Brexit dangerous somehow? Are we all going to die due to lack of white people becoming nurses? If we invade the EU, fuck you all, I'm fighting for them instead of us.
>> No. 96611 Anonymous
8th August 2022
Monday 3:55 pm
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As far as I can tell he didn't say it out loud, but it's on a Tweet about "reviewing" laws we've inherited. I assume it's just stuff like "you're not allowed to 'smoke out' tenents from properties you own" and "cadmium may not be added to food stuffs even if the COO of Kraft Heinz says it's super yummy and nice".
>> No. 96612 Anonymous
8th August 2022
Monday 3:56 pm
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*inherited from the EU.
>> No. 96613 Anonymous
8th August 2022
Monday 9:12 pm
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>>96610

Video is stock footage of a man shredding documents labelled 'EU laws'and 'red tape' while Ode to Joy plays.

Mental.
>> No. 96614 Anonymous
9th August 2022
Tuesday 12:34 am
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>> No. 96615 Anonymous
9th August 2022
Tuesday 8:51 am
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>>96614

Liz loves a bit of wife waff
>> No. 96663 Anonymous
22nd August 2022
Monday 8:27 am
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>Tory leadership frontrunner Liz Truss could give the government a double-figure bounce in the polls once she is installed in No 10, according to internal Labour analysis.

>A memo drawn up by Keir Starmer’s director of strategy, Deborah Mattinson, claimed the foreign secretary could dramatically improve Conservative fortunes. The document, leaked to the Guardian, comes amid speculation that Truss could be tempted to capitalise on the upswing and call a snap general election.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/aug/22/liz-trusss-arrival-in-no-10-could-deliver-tories-a-big-bounce-in-polls
>> No. 96664 Anonymous
22nd August 2022
Monday 1:19 pm
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>>96663
Just when you think you finally understand politics, Liz Truss comes along and gets a double-digit boost in the polls by doing nothing at a time when her whole party is nationally despised.
>> No. 96665 Anonymous
22nd August 2022
Monday 2:18 pm
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>>96664
Surely this is just the same trick as when Major replaced Thatcher. Labour were consistently in the lead from May 1989 until the November 23rd 1990, at some points recording leads as high as 28%(!) over the Tories.
Though in that case their fortunes reversed the minute Thatcher resigned, even though Major wasn't elected for another 4 days. Maybe because they didn't have BBC iPlayer back then or something.
>> No. 96677 Anonymous
5th September 2022
Monday 12:32 pm
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>> No. 96678 Anonymous
5th September 2022
Monday 12:43 pm
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As part of her winning speech, about a minute after becoming Prime Minister, Liz Truss just called it Kiev instead of Kyiv. That's who we've got now.
>> No. 96679 Anonymous
5th September 2022
Monday 12:44 pm
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>>96678
I liked the part when she waited for the applause that wasn't coming after talking about Bozza.
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5th September 2022
Monday 12:59 pm
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>> No. 96681 Anonymous
5th September 2022
Monday 1:22 pm
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>>96680

I don't want to jinx anything, but I think the Tories might have done a Corbyn. The more that people learn about Truss, the less they like her.
>> No. 96682 Anonymous
5th September 2022
Monday 2:18 pm
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That's definitely happening.

>The more Tory voters see of Liz Truss, the less they like her, polls show

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/sep/03/the-more-tory-voters-see-of-liz-truss-the-less-they-like-her-polls-show

She has absolutely no charisma whatsoever. She's going to lose a personality contest to Keir Starmer. Keir Starmer.
>> No. 96683 Anonymous
5th September 2022
Monday 5:58 pm
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>BREAKING
>Priti Patel resigns as Home Secretary
>Home Secretary Priti Patel has resigned.

>In a letter to Boris Johnson, Patel says it is "my choice" to serve from the backbenches.

>She adds that it is "vital" that Liz Truss backs "all aspects" of her policies to tackle illegal immigration.

I'd say thank fucking God, but I don't want to tempt fate and have someone even worse replace her.
>> No. 96684 Anonymous
5th September 2022
Monday 6:03 pm
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>>96683
I've heard that it could be Suella Braverman. So yes, someone even worse. Sorry.
>> No. 96685 Anonymous
5th September 2022
Monday 6:14 pm
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>>96684
Jesus. Are they actively trying to sabotage themselves from within?
>> No. 96686 Anonymous
5th September 2022
Monday 6:33 pm
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>>96683>>96684
According to The Mail:

- Kwarteng will be Chancellor.
- Braveman will be Home Secretary.
- Cleverly will be Foreign Secretary.
- Coffey will be Health Secretary and Deputy PM.
- Wallace will be Defence Secretary.
- Rees-Mogg will be Business Secretary.
- Brandon Lewis will be Justice Secretary.
- Tugendhat will be Security Minister.

No place for the likes of Gove and Raab.
>> No. 96687 Anonymous
6th September 2022
Tuesday 6:04 am
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>>96686
Only one of the four Great Offices will be held by someone white. At least, on the outside, anyway.
>> No. 96688 Anonymous
6th September 2022
Tuesday 11:01 am
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>>96687
They're starting to remind me of Robert Mugabe in more ways than one.
>> No. 96689 Anonymous
6th September 2022
Tuesday 3:00 pm
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>>96688

It must be very confusing for the idpol lot that the most diverse cabinet in British history is also the most right wing.
>> No. 96690 Anonymous
6th September 2022
Tuesday 3:23 pm
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It's probably the same for the far right, although it probably only means they've got more reasons now to hate the Conservatives.
>> No. 96691 Anonymous
6th September 2022
Tuesday 4:28 pm
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>>96690

The far right just doesn't have many bona-fide white supremacists any more. There's plenty of insensitivity, casual racism and Islamophobia, you'll find plenty of people making cheap cracks about race, but you really have to dig deep to find people who genuinely believe that black people aren't welcome in Britain. The far right have really warmed to Indians over their mutual hatred of Muslims, but even Kwarteng and Cleverly are getting a fair hearing - they might be black, but they're still one of us.

I think that's why the left have so comprehensively failed to combat the far right; they're stuck in the 1970s, arguing against an imagined National Front rather than the actual EDL. It's a culture war, not a race war. Nadim Zahawi wasn't born in Britain, but he's seen as more of a British patriot than a lot of the people on the Labour front bench - not necessarily fully British, but an adoptive Brit is better than a traitor.

For the avoidance of doubt, I am describing the attitudes of others rather than stating my own beliefs. I am a fully-fledged member of the Metropolitan Liberal Elite despite the fact that I do not live in a metropolis, I am not a liberal and I am most certainly not a member of any elite.
>> No. 96692 Anonymous
6th September 2022
Tuesday 4:29 pm
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>>96691
>It's a culture war, not a race war.
Class. Not culture.
>> No. 96694 Anonymous
6th September 2022
Tuesday 5:03 pm
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>>96692

That's the substance of the social divide, but it has been co-opted by the actual elite. Jimmy Savile might be a privately educated banker, but he can purport to be a "man of the people" because he adopts the cultural signifiers of the working class.
>> No. 96695 Anonymous
6th September 2022
Tuesday 5:08 pm
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>>96694

I've found a lot of people will get very angry if you point this out to them. I suppose a middle or upper class person who adopts (or was brought up with) cultural signifiers of the working class gets to both be well off and believe they're the victim; quite upsetting for them to hear they're complicit.
>> No. 96696 Anonymous
6th September 2022
Tuesday 6:14 pm
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I had a dream where Liz Truss tried to make herself look like a really cool and hip new PM by launching her term attending a Leeds vs Newcastle game as a cheerleader. Despite being brought up in Leeds she was supporting Newcastle. She tried doing a series of cartwheels, but fell over, and everyone started booing.
>> No. 96697 Anonymous
6th September 2022
Tuesday 7:05 pm
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Therese Coffey is now Deputy PM.
Good god.
>> No. 96698 Anonymous
6th September 2022
Tuesday 9:02 pm
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>>96697
Are they going to fund the country by opening up some 0898 lines and getting us to vote these cunts out?
I am somewhat troubled by our shiny new overlords. I mean, they're too inept to actually lord it over us, but if they get anywhere near control, we're fucked. Do we still have a civil service to frustrate their worst excesses?
>> No. 96699 Anonymous
6th September 2022
Tuesday 9:04 pm
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>>96697
What's her deal? Is she know for anything in particular? I don't think I even know which one she is; is she the mumsy one?
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6th September 2022
Tuesday 9:20 pm
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>is she the mumsy one?

Less "mumsy", more "your mum jokes".
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6th September 2022
Tuesday 9:23 pm
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She's only really remarkable for rebelling to vote against gay marriage, defending the Murdochs during the phone hacking scandal and proposing the privatisation of trees.

Also for looking like she has learning difficulties.
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6th September 2022
Tuesday 9:27 pm
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>>96699
More like your mum's scratty mate who vaguely whiffs of piss and cabbage.
>> No. 96703 Anonymous
7th September 2022
Wednesday 8:08 am
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Truss was on the telly saying that Queenie had invited her to form a new government.
Wait, what?
Did we not have a government? Change of leader, sure. Replacing ministers with her cretinous mates, sure. But it's not a new government, is it? It's the same one with some new and scary faces.
Maybe Queenie really did suggest she (fucks off and) forms a new government.

As for Coffey, there had better be some redeeming nuance to this delightful episode:
"In January 2016, the Labour Party unsuccessfully proposed an amendment in Parliament that would have required private landlords to make their homes "fit for human habitation". According to Parliament's register of interests, Coffey was one of 72 Conservative MPs who voted against the amendment who personally derived an income from renting out property. The Government stated that they believed homes should be fit for human habitation but did not want to pass the new law that would explicitly require it.[33]"
>> No. 96704 Anonymous
7th September 2022
Wednesday 12:17 pm
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If this fucking idiot wins an election, while look half-cut and blathering on about "aspiration" as the economy is shat through a bin bag, I do not think I can stomach living in this country. I understand that other nations have similarly idiotic politicians, but I will simply refuse to learn the langauge, so the empty headed ideas of men like Justin Trudeau and Mette Frederiksen cannot hurt me.
>> No. 96705 Anonymous
7th September 2022
Wednesday 12:26 pm
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>>96704
I think the key difference between her and Johnson is that she'll have nowhere to hide.

Johnson was a PM managing crisis after crisis. He rode a wave of popular support to get Brexit done, including absolutely crushing Labour. He then had to deal with Covid-19, where he rolled out the vaccine and the furlough scheme. He's had to manage our response to the invasion of Ukraine and has been a strong ally to them.

He hasn't done things perfectly by any stretch of the imagination but there's been mitigating factors to excuse him to some degree. His domestic policies have never been properly scrutinised to the extent they should have been because there's always been some bigger distraction going on.

Truss isn't going to enjoy the same honeymoon period. Dealing with the energy crisis is going to be an almost impossible task and nobody seems to have confidence she is up to the task. There's going to be a lot of scrutiny of Truss between now and December 2024, assuming she isn't forced before then if her polling numbers never recover, and she's not going to be able to hide from it the same way that Johnson was.
>> No. 96706 Anonymous
7th September 2022
Wednesday 12:30 pm
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>>96705
you seem to be assuming she's not going to start WWIII for a laugh.
>> No. 96707 Anonymous
7th September 2022
Wednesday 1:00 pm
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>>96705
I am confident that perpetual crisis is a deliberate election tactic somehow. For the past 12 years, the Conservative Party have always been telling us, "Yes, of course we will solve your problems, just as soon as we've dealt with this crisis." And it has worked so far, so why change? Of course, Putin could surrender tomorrow and they wouldn't actually do anything because there would be a new crisis. No help for house prices because of the climate change crisis, or more likely the utterly astronomical inflation we're about to get when the government borrows £150,000,000,000 to pay everyone's heating bills without even attempting to reclaim even a solitary penny of it from the energy companies who will receive it all.
>> No. 96708 Anonymous
7th September 2022
Wednesday 1:19 pm
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>>96707
It's similar to the perpetual war thing from 1984 and the fact it creates opportunities for 'disaster capitalists'.
>> No. 96709 Anonymous
7th September 2022
Wednesday 1:21 pm
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>>96705
The other thing to remember is that when all else failed, Johnson could hide up his own arse. Truss doesn't have the charisma or the long-built-up persona to do that.
>> No. 96710 Anonymous
7th September 2022
Wednesday 1:24 pm
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>>96708
On the subject of disaster capitalists,
"Jacob Rees-Mogg, an early supporter of Ms Truss, was appointed business, energy and industrial strategy secretary."

Motherfuckers.
>> No. 96711 Anonymous
7th September 2022
Wednesday 1:28 pm
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>>96707
"Imagine how bad things would have been under Miliband/Corbyn!"

>>96709
Cameron was also able to get away with a lack of accountability. Any time he was questioned he'd just fire off a slogan and even if he didn't immediately walk away it was taken at face value. I don't know if Blair was similarly not held to account for things, but I guess he had the nickname Teflon Tony for a reason.

Maybe it's because women don't know how to properly shirk responsibility like a man can.
>> No. 96712 Anonymous
7th September 2022
Wednesday 8:23 pm
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>>96707

I'm glad one of you lads said it first, because I thought it would sound a bit tinfoil coming from me. Now, I'm not saying they manufactured the corona, or that the war in Ukraine is all a big geopolitical equivalent of wrestling kayfabe, but frankly by this point I'm not necessarily ruling those things out.

We've just been coasting from one disaster to the next for about the past decade, and each time it seems to very conveniently create justification for another huge transfer of wealth from the taxpayer to big business.
>> No. 96713 Anonymous
8th September 2022
Thursday 8:22 pm
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Fun fact: our new Chancellor, Kwasi Kwarteng, was on a team that won University Challenge when he was younger. And he appears to have sworn on TV too.
>> No. 96714 Anonymous
8th September 2022
Thursday 10:14 pm
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>>96713
What's fun about that?
>> No. 96715 Anonymous
9th September 2022
Friday 12:49 am
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>>96714
I was also on University Challenge when I was a student, and I'm a failure in every aspect of life who's drunk on a weeknight after [this post has been redacted due to blogposting but why doesn't she like me man?]

It could have been ME being the Chancellor. All I'd have needed to do was be a politician, be interested in economics, do something, anything with my life, and support Conservative ideologies. But instead, here I am, being fucking nothing forever. Fuck. I was my university's team captain too. Kwasi Kwarteng wasn't. He's a little bitch.
>> No. 96716 Anonymous
10th September 2022
Saturday 2:03 pm
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>>96715

Did your team win at least?
>> No. 96717 Anonymous
10th September 2022
Saturday 4:53 pm
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>>96716
No. We lost to a former polytechnic, when we were a posh university.
>> No. 96718 Anonymous
12th September 2022
Monday 3:23 pm
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I realise I'm several years late to this particular party, but I figured that at this time of national reflection over Old Liz, we should take a moment to reminisce over New Liz doing what she does best.
>> No. 96719 Anonymous
12th September 2022
Monday 3:33 pm
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>>96718
Try this one instead.
https://huggingface.co/spaces/stabilityai/stable-diffusion
>> No. 96720 Anonymous
12th September 2022
Monday 3:42 pm
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>>96719
Hmm.
>> No. 96721 Anonymous
12th September 2022
Monday 3:49 pm
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>> No. 96722 Anonymous
12th September 2022
Monday 4:13 pm
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Playing around with the prompt "Liz Truss opening a pork market in Beijing in a Challenger 2 Main Battle Tank" seems to evoke memories of Ti*n*nmen Squ*re. About 40% of the images seem to include the Ti*n*nmen Gate in some form. I'd write a flippant thinkpiece about AI being Sinophobic, but I think it'd just confuse the Opinion editor at The Guardian.
>> No. 96723 Anonymous
12th September 2022
Monday 4:42 pm
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>>96721
Did you request that the pig look like Davey C?
>> No. 96724 Anonymous
12th September 2022
Monday 4:48 pm
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>>96723

Just a happy little accident. I didn't ask for the bloke at the back to look like Oliver Dowden either.
>> No. 96725 Anonymous
12th September 2022
Monday 4:49 pm
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>> No. 96726 Anonymous
12th September 2022
Monday 4:51 pm
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>>96723
>> No. 96727 Anonymous
12th September 2022
Monday 10:39 pm
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Dall-E 2 is quite charitable to Liz Truss.
>> No. 96728 Anonymous
12th September 2022
Monday 10:40 pm
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Less so to Daveycambles.
>> No. 96729 Anonymous
12th September 2022
Monday 10:41 pm
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This one is just a fun little bonus so we're not being too partisan.
>> No. 96730 Anonymous
12th September 2022
Monday 10:55 pm
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>>96727
That's a thing that can happen when the AI can figure out who a person is but doesn't know what they look like. It's worked out that she's a woman with blonde hair and that as a senior politician she should be dressed in a suit.
>> No. 96731 Anonymous
12th September 2022
Monday 10:58 pm
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>>96730

It clearly knows what she looks like in >>96719, >>96720 and >>96722
>> No. 96732 Anonymous
12th September 2022
Monday 11:02 pm
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>>96731

Different AI.
>> No. 96733 Anonymous
12th September 2022
Monday 11:02 pm
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>>96731
That's a different model.
>> No. 96734 Anonymous
12th September 2022
Monday 11:25 pm
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>>96729
I can't believe that horrible Marxist made Quavers red. BROKEN BRITAIN!
>> No. 96735 Anonymous
12th September 2022
Monday 11:30 pm
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>>96733

Dall-e 2 and Stable Diffusion are basically the same algorithm (the latter is recreated from the published papers on the former), but they've been trained differently on different data sets. Stable Diffusion has a ridiculously massive corpus of images put together with total disregard for copyright law, so it has much broader general knowledge. Dall-e 2 has been trained for longer with more CPU power, so it tends to produce more natural images with fewer weird quirks. The Dall-e 2 model is currently private, with limited public access as a paid service with lots of strings attached. Stable Diffusion is fully open source with a license that says "don't do bad things" but is basically unenforceable.

The community is eagerly awaiting the public release of Stable Diffusion 1.5 in the next couple of weeks. It seems to be a massive leap forward over the current version with much fewer weird faces, but it still struggles with hands. Nobody knows why this is the case, because machine learning algorithms aren't really understandable to humans. They tend to improve in totally unpredictable ways and suddenly gain new abilities that nobody expected them to have. If that sounds worrying to you, I assure you that the machine learning community is more worried about it. We are compelled to create Skynet and we can't tell you why. Sorry.
>> No. 96736 Anonymous
12th September 2022
Monday 11:34 pm
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>>96733
Oh, well. I've discovered search engines do the same. If you put a picture of a blonde lady into Google Images, it returns pictures of blonde women in different poses and contexts, but if you use Bing it returns you pictures that have similar poses and contexts, but not necessarily of blonde women. Then if you use baidu it's a mixture but they're all Chinese. I imagine this is to do with the way the algorithm interprets the image, going by overall appearance or by breaking it down into labels and returning things with matching ones.
>> No. 96737 Anonymous
13th September 2022
Tuesday 8:26 pm
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>>96697
>The UK government could scrap its entire anti-obesity strategy after ministers ordered an official review of measures designed to deter people from eating junk food, the Guardian can reveal.

>The review could pave the way for Liz Truss to lift the ban on sugary products being displayed at checkouts as well as “buy one get one free” multi-buy deals in shops. The restrictions on advertising certain products on TV before the 9pm watershed could also be ditched. The review, commissioned by the new health secretary, Thérèse Coffey, is seen as part of the prime minister’s drive to cut burdens on business and help consumers through the cost of living crisis.

>Whitehall sources said the review was “deregulatory in focus” and is expected to lead to the new government jettisoning a raft of anti-obesity policies inherited from Boris Johnson, Truss’s predecessor in Downing Street. It will also look at possibly ditching calorie counts on menus in many cafes, takeaways and restaurants – designed to encourage people to choose healthier dishes – which only became mandatory in April.

>The review is so radical in scope that it may even look at whether the sugar tax, which began in 2018 and has helped make soft drinks much less unhealthy, should go too. Health experts have hailed the levy as a key initiative in the fight against dangerous obesity.

>“There doesn’t seem to be any appetite from Thérèse for nanny state stuff,” one source said. Truss also made Coffey her deputy prime minister after taking office last week.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/sep/13/liz-truss-could-scrap-anti-obesity-strategy-in-drive-to-cut-red-tape

Fatties in charge of health policy is something I can get behind. Fuck the sugar tax.
>> No. 96738 Anonymous
13th September 2022
Tuesday 8:37 pm
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>>96737
>There doesn’t seem to be any appetite from Thérèse
I am alleging that the source did that on purpose.

And while I am pro-fatties in almost every way, the sugar tax always struck me as a good way to pay lip service to this website's frail pro-ana waifs without especially harming anyone who prefers to eat their sugar like a normal person.
>> No. 96739 Anonymous
13th September 2022
Tuesday 9:17 pm
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>>96737

The discount Milky Bars are on me!
>> No. 96740 Anonymous
13th September 2022
Tuesday 9:34 pm
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>>96739

Poster girl for metabolic syndrome right here.

Dead by 60
>> No. 96741 Anonymous
14th September 2022
Wednesday 12:18 am
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>>96737

Honestly as a skinny person I've always hated these "healthy" taxes anyway. Why should I, a person with self control and responsibility, be punished for the lard-arses who can't stop shovelling Mars Bars in their gob? Sometimes I just want a can of coke without paying two fucking quid for it.

Tax fat, not food. Make fatties pay more NI.
>> No. 96742 Anonymous
14th September 2022
Wednesday 2:33 am
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>>96737
>possibly ditching calorie counts on menus
fuck how am i gonna order food now without being able to find the highest calorie per £ item?
>> No. 96743 Anonymous
15th September 2022
Thursday 6:06 am
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>Kwasi Kwarteng, chancellor, is seeking to scrap Britain’s cap on bankers’ bonuses, introduced after the 2008 financial crash, in a controversial move to boost the City of London’s global competitiveness.

>Kwarteng argues the move would make London a more attractive destination for top global talent and would be a clear signal of his new “Big Bang 2.0” approach to post-Brexit City regulation, according to colleagues.

>Although no final decisions have been taken, people close to the chancellor’s thinking said he wanted to scrap the cap, introduced by EU legislation in 2014, as part of a package of City reforms. The UK has long opposed the EU bonus cap, which limits year-end payouts to twice a banker’s salary. For example, if a bank wants to pay someone £3mn in London, it would need to pay the person a salary of at least £1mn

>To alleviate criticism that he was helping rich bankers, the chancellor would set the move in the context of Britain’s recently announced £150bn state intervention to help families and business through the energy crisis. Kwarteng is delivering a mini-Budget next week and the Treasury said it would not comment on speculation ahead of a fiscal event. Some in the Treasury believe the chancellor could make a separate announcement on City reforms at a later date. Liz Truss has called the City “the jewel in the crown” of the British economy.

>Those briefed on the discussions say Kwarteng is anxious to boost London’s competitiveness against New York, Frankfurt, Hong Kong and Paris, which is offering tax incentives to attract top bankers. One financial executive said scrapping the cap would be a “clear Brexit dividend. Something you can present as a win”. The cap has been a particular annoyance for US investment banks that employ tens of thousands of staff in London. Wall Street typically includes large elements of annual performance-related bonuses and lower fixed salaries in its pay packages.

https://www.ft.com/content/e5dac84e-dabf-4408-8d65-1db0ecc315c3
>> No. 96744 Anonymous
15th September 2022
Thursday 11:33 am
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>>96743
But how is it helping families and small businesses? That's such a bizarre non sequitur: "Because we need to help families and small businesses, let's prostrate ourselves for international banking conglomerates."
>> No. 96745 Anonymous
15th September 2022
Thursday 11:46 am
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>>96744

You could argue that making London a more attractive destination for the staff of multinational banks would increase growth and the tax base. Salaries and bonuses are very straightforward to tax, so the treasury is guaranteed to get 40% of most of it.

Still, it isn't exactly the kind of policy that has much appeal during a cost of living crisis.
>> No. 96746 Anonymous
17th September 2022
Saturday 12:43 am
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>> No. 96747 Anonymous
17th September 2022
Saturday 12:49 am
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>>96694
hmm yes yes quite yes

(A good day to you Sir!)
>> No. 96749 Anonymous
20th September 2022
Tuesday 10:11 pm
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>The Treasury is refusing to publish a forecast of the UK's economic outlook alongside this Friday's mini-Budget.
>Independent forecaster the Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR) has already provided a draft to Chancellor Kwasi Kwarteng, the BBC understands.
>The draft forecast the OBR has provided does not include the impact of the energy bill help. It has offered to provide a forecast including this impact, but that has been rejected.
>The fact the offer has not been taken up is raising some concerns about whether the government's tax and spending policy is "flying blind", given predictions that the UK is facing a lengthy recession.

Does this happen often? Do governments often refuse to tell us just how bad it's going to get?
>> No. 96750 Anonymous
20th September 2022
Tuesday 11:29 pm
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>>96749

See you on the streets October 1st buddy.
>> No. 96751 Anonymous
21st September 2022
Wednesday 1:23 am
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>>96749
Forty years of neo-liberalism just not cutting through? Improvements to living standards taking place only due to technological happenstance? Companies earning all time record profits at great cost to the consumer? Try FULL IMPACT LIBERTARIANISM today! More of the same has to work, increased wealth hording can only benefit society and let's funnel public money to businesses at no risk of collapse, because by Jove, they earnt it!

We're going to experience the economic equivalent of rapid-onset-explosive-barotrauma.
>> No. 96752 Anonymous
21st September 2022
Wednesday 11:33 am
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>>96751
>increased wealth hoarding can only benefit society
You do sometimes see things get done by people simply because they have so much money they don't know what to do with it. Look at Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos building spaceships. But it always feels like they're doing it just as a throwaway, like when you give your change to a beggar. I don't want a government that says the best way for us to become rich is for society itself to become dependent on the charity of its wealthiest.
>> No. 96753 Anonymous
21st September 2022
Wednesday 3:55 pm
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>>96752
You know why that is? Because far, far more very rich people and multinationals hide away their dosh so the public purse never sees a penny of it. And don't forget that things like SpaceX are receiving billions in public money too. Elon's not taking invoices from his R&D department, he's just hustling NASA and using the unearned credit to run crypto scams and neglect his kids.
>> No. 96754 Anonymous
21st September 2022
Wednesday 4:44 pm
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>>96753

>Because far, far more very rich people and multinationals hide away their dosh so the public purse never sees a penny of it.

That's not how this works. Income is taxable, capital gains are taxable, wealth is not taxable. It's absolutely reasonable to argue that we should tax wealth (although that's a lot more complicated than it looks), but it's a bit daft to criticise rich people for not paying taxes that don't exist.

>he's just hustling NASA

Boeing and Lockheed are hustling NASA. SpaceX have saved NASA massive amounts of money, because they provide launch services with better reliability and lower cost than any of the alternatives. SpaceX have certainly benefited from NASA contracts, but they offer a perfectly straightforward business proposition - you pay them money, they put your stuff into orbit.
>> No. 96755 Anonymous
21st September 2022
Wednesday 11:31 pm
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Incredibly polling for Mrs Truss.

>>96754
>daft to criticise rich people for not paying taxes that don't exist.
Yeah, I wasn't just talking about wealth though, was I? And I don't think that would be daft either, not when these people lobby and rig the system to make sure wealth won't ever be taxable.

How can you quantify the savings when SpaceX subsuming everything NASA used to do? Privatising space is awful on the face of it too, I can't abide it. Not content with having flushed our planet down the shitter, we're now doing the same with the rest of the Solar System.
>> No. 96756 Anonymous
22nd September 2022
Thursday 12:17 am
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>>96755
That's quite the devious chart you've got there. I mean, a lead is a lead, but the scale at the side is not what I thought it would be.
>> No. 96757 Anonymous
22nd September 2022
Thursday 12:27 am
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>>96756
Apologies, I thought the font was infamous enough. It's from The Dacre Propaganda Factory.
>> No. 96758 Anonymous
22nd September 2022
Thursday 1:47 am
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>>96757
I certainly recognise the style, but I don't ever look at the Daily You Know What so I assumed it was just a regular polling company.
>> No. 96759 Anonymous
22nd September 2022
Thursday 9:54 am
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>>96757

It's a VPN so no, sorry.
>> No. 96760 Anonymous
22nd September 2022
Thursday 10:53 am
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>>96755
>How can you quantify the savings when SpaceX subsuming everything NASA used to do?
They're not subsuming anything NASA used to do, at least not yet. NASA have always subcontracted out the vast majority of rocket construction and development out to third parties like boeing, who until recently have had a virtual monopoly leading to contracts where the price spirals ever upwards as the completion dates slip by years.
>> No. 96761 Anonymous
22nd September 2022
Thursday 1:49 pm
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>>96760
It's well beyond the scope of this thread but I have to wonder where NASA would be if they did everything in house instead of handing it over to (effectively) the MIC.
(The precedent that comes to mind for a government entity doing in-house vehicle-making is British Rail Engineering Limited.)
>> No. 96762 Anonymous
22nd September 2022
Thursday 3:11 pm
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>>96761

NASA is, first and foremost, an elaborate cover story. It incidentally does some science, but it's funded because it provides a good platform for highly secretive activities that are too big and too visible to be completely secret.

Spacelab wasn't created to do research, it was created to justify the peculiar configuration of the Shuttle. That configuration made absolutely no sense, except for the fact that there was a classified agreement with the National Reconnaissance Office to use Shuttle to launch and retrieve spy satellites. The Soviets built Buran as a copy of the shuttle because they presumed that anything that expensive must have been important, but they never really worked out what it was for; the mere existence of the NRO was classified until 1992.

NASA without the MIC isn't NASA. Hypothetically NASA could build launch vehicles just as cheaply as SpaceX, but nobody in charge would want it to - there are too many competing interests, too many things that the non-existent directors of non-existent agencies want to get done. NASA will keep working on vastly complex multi-decade projects that can cover up for all manner of other stuff.

Commercial space operations are convenient for the contemporary reality of the strategic exploitation of space. There are too many spy satellites in orbit to pretend that they don't exist, so they're now hidden in plain sight among the thousands of other satellites being launched every year. Starlink's massive constellation of small, inexpensive LEO communication satellites are a good fit for the newer generation of small, inexpensive LEO spy satellites.

I've got no idea why NASA are persisting with ULA, but I'm sure we'll find out eventually when the documents are declassified. I strongly suspect that Dream Chaser is being used as a cover for hypersonic glider development.
>> No. 96763 Anonymous
22nd September 2022
Thursday 3:50 pm
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>>96762

So what about Area 51? What are they up to?
>> No. 96764 Anonymous
22nd September 2022
Thursday 4:47 pm
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>>96763

It's an MiB Bordello
>> No. 96765 Anonymous
23rd September 2022
Friday 10:46 am
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The basic rate of income tax for us all (who have jobs, anyway) has been SLASHED from 20% down to 19%! Hurray! But all the rest of this "mini-budget" is utter bollocks and there doesn't even seem to be anyone who thinks it's a good idea.
>> No. 96766 Anonymous
23rd September 2022
Friday 3:00 pm
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>>96765
We're back, baby!
>> No. 96767 Anonymous
23rd September 2022
Friday 3:35 pm
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>>96765
>The basic rate of income tax for us all (who have jobs, anyway) has been SLASHED from 20% down to 19%!
I weep for all the secondary school kids who're going to have to deal with that bastard in maths class. Though I suppose it'll be offset by currency conversion getting easier as the £-$ exchange rate hits 1:1.
>> No. 96768 Anonymous
23rd September 2022
Friday 3:53 pm
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>>96767
The basic rate tax band is £37,700 so 1% of that is a saving of £377.

It'd have been far simpler to achieve this by increasing the personal allowance by £1,885 so everyone benefits from this. Then again, Truss and co wanted to make a big deal out of reducing tax rates and this way would be better for high earners.
>> No. 96770 Anonymous
26th September 2022
Monday 9:39 am
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Is it too late to be asked to be paid in US dollars?
>> No. 96771 Anonymous
26th September 2022
Monday 11:05 am
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>>96770
or turnips. Barter's coming, and I've got tonnes of firewood. This time next year, we'll be miwwionaires.
Fucking hell it's all circling the drain, isn't it.
Nah, I'm sure it'll be fine. Truss know what she's doing. Kwarteng's solid.
To be fair, isn't everywhere fucked, I think we're just leading the charge. I just need the dollar to stay (comparatively) high until March, please. After that, fuck'em all.
>> No. 96772 Anonymous
26th September 2022
Monday 11:06 am
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>>96770
What's the point? They're worth about the same.
>> No. 96774 Anonymous
26th September 2022
Monday 2:07 pm
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>>96772
Yeah, but to my knowledge the dollar is plummeting through the fucking floor right now.
>> No. 96775 Anonymous
26th September 2022
Monday 2:08 pm
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>>96774
It is? I thought it was currently being buoyed due to its status as a reserve currency in a time of global financial unease.
>> No. 96776 Anonymous
26th September 2022
Monday 2:22 pm
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>>96775
*isn't
Sorry, I was eating a sandwich as I typed that. Horrible sandwich too.
>> No. 96778 Anonymous
26th September 2022
Monday 2:40 pm
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>>96777
An election is so coming. Wouldn't be surprised if it is this side of Christmas.
>> No. 96779 Anonymous
26th September 2022
Monday 2:58 pm
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>>96778
Tory leadership elections?
>> No. 96780 Anonymous
26th September 2022
Monday 4:26 pm
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Letters going to the 1922 already? It's not even Halloween yet.
>> No. 96781 Anonymous
26th September 2022
Monday 4:53 pm
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Bet she wishes another royal would die.
>> No. 96782 Anonymous
26th September 2022
Monday 5:05 pm
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Are the Tory’s corrupt? Is there evidence for corruption? I’m asking in good faith, I’d like to learn more. I get the impression they are, but I can’t quite point to cold hard evidence.
>> No. 96783 Anonymous
26th September 2022
Monday 5:08 pm
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>Millions of public sector workers face a two-year pay squeeze before the general election after Kwasi Kwarteng said he would go further in cutting taxes.

>The government has abandoned plans for a new spending review, despite forecasts that inflation may remain in double figures for the next year. This means that public sector workers will have real-term pay cuts before 2024 and schools and hospitals will have to make tough choices about budgets.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/pay-pain-for-workers-as-public-sector-squeezed-spcfnhkf0
>> No. 96784 Anonymous
26th September 2022
Monday 6:19 pm
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>>96777
Somewhere out there is a timeline where Boris Johnson takes back the leadership and then wins a subsequent general election and as it's the funniest possible one, I hope we're living in it.
>> No. 96785 Anonymous
26th September 2022
Monday 9:58 pm
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>>96784
Current theory is that our Liz was engineered to be the shittest possible PM, in order for good ol' Borris to come back in under the banner of "There's always someone worse!". He then wins the next three consecutive GEs.
>> No. 96786 Anonymous
26th September 2022
Monday 10:30 pm
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>>96782

They're absolutely bent as a nine bob note mate. You would have to be pretty naive to expect otherwise, honestly.

Remember the scandal last year just before partygate, where they tried to change the law about being a dodgy bastard to let one of their own off the hook for being a dodgy bastard? And that was just when one of them is daft enough to get caught; the thing about corruption is there are a great and insidious many ways to do it all in a manner that's technically above board, but ultimately still results in the subversion of our purported "democracy". Lobbying is little more than institutionalised corruption.

I mean shit just look at the people getting the contracts for all the procurement during the pandemic. They barely even bothered to hide it.
>> No. 96788 Anonymous
27th September 2022
Tuesday 9:34 am
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>>96782
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/sep/27/plan-to-pay-liz-truss-chief-of-staff-mark-fullbrook-through-firm-is-dropped
If they can get away with it.
>> No. 96795 Anonymous
27th September 2022
Tuesday 9:57 pm
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>>96788
Their paymasters certainly are.

>Hedge fund managers including Crispin Odey are among those profiting from steep falls in sterling and UK government bonds as investors take flight on fears over the sustainability of the country’s public finances.

https://www.ft.com/content/d54b4915-60a2-4f73-b1b9-6ea4b7523dd9

>A source who was present at a dinner attended by hedge-fund managers a week ago revealed: “They were all supporters of Truss and every one of them was shorting the pound.” Several made small fortunes on Friday betting against the currency.

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>> No. 96799 Anonymous
28th September 2022
Wednesday 10:55 am
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Have Truss or Kwateng done any press since this massive cock-up started? I know Kwateng did a Tweet saying he'd sort it at the end of November. But the rumoured fight between the two on Monday apparently centered around Truss not allowing Kwateng to do something to reassure the markets, so it seems government policy is radio silence while the economy is pulverised to oblivion.

Must be nice to be one of the other cabinet ministers right now. You could knock up a SPAD, get done for drink driving and successfully lobby the government for a half-a-billion quid contract for a company you're on the payroll of and only just make the news.
>> No. 96800 Anonymous
28th September 2022
Wednesday 4:58 pm
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https://conservativehome.com/2022/09/28/daniel-hannan-no-the-pound-isnt-crashing-because-of-a-trifling-batch-of-tax-cuts/
>> No. 96801 Anonymous
28th September 2022
Wednesday 5:10 pm
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>>96800
You really shouldn't give people like that the attention they're so desperate for.
>> No. 96802 Anonymous
28th September 2022
Wednesday 5:39 pm
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>>96801

He's a member of the House of Lords, not some random pundit. The dominant faction of the Tory establishment has gone completely fucking mental and nobody knows what to do about it. Liz Truss is like a Tory Jeremy Corbyn, only she's actually running the country. A majority of MPs want to get rid of her, but they are a long way from coalescing around a suitable replacement. The party is fucked, Labour are going to win a landslide at the next election, but a lot of people within the Tory party are genuinely worried at how much damage Truss might do if they can't get rid of her sharpish.

I say this as a pro-growth centrist dad wanker - a big chunk of the Tory party has completely lost the plot, even by Tory standards. Boris has ruined the inner workings of the party in ways that'll take a generation to fix, which is great news for Labour but could be absolutely terrible in the short term.
>> No. 96803 Anonymous
28th September 2022
Wednesday 5:56 pm
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>>96802
>He's a member of the House of Lords, not some random pundit. The dominant faction of the Tory establishment has gone completely fucking mental and nobody knows what to do about it.
No, we know what to do about it. It's just that [checks notes] 28% of the electorate are still too fucking stupid for their own good.
>> No. 96804 Anonymous
28th September 2022
Wednesday 6:01 pm
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>>96803

By "nobody" I mean "nobody within the Tory party". The electorate have clearly made their minds up, but that doesn't help until we get a general election.
>> No. 96805 Anonymous
28th September 2022
Wednesday 6:15 pm
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>>96804

There will be an election in the not too distant future. There are lots of different ways it could play out, but in this kind of scenario, all roads lead to a general election.

A leader as unpopular as this can't effectively govern, and pretty much the only route she has to establishing a mandate is a general election. Truss could even forseeably call one herself, even if it is a guaranteed slaughter, she knows it's her only way of establishing authority (and she's thick enough to think she would stand a chance.) With enough of the party against her, it wouldn't be entirely out of the question to see a general no confidence vote- The party is in such a state right now that essentially handing over control until they can sort out their internal issues might even seem like the best option to many.

Either way it would be very surprising if there wasn't an election soon. Just like historic precedent showed us Bozzer was definitely on the way out despite surviving his no-confidence vote, it also shows us we're on the way to an election right now.
>> No. 96806 Anonymous
28th September 2022
Wednesday 6:23 pm
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Everyone's freaking out about the pound dropping, so I feel obliged to play devil's advocate: Even if it signals a lack of confidence from currency markets, why immediately assume we're on the precipice of economic collapse? Why's nobody out there making the case that a fall in the pound is a good (or at least neutral) thing because it'll promote exports or such?
You can't work around the IMF's criticism so easily (though in a handwavey sense, you can point out they kill more economies than they save) but it's odd that everyone seems to be taking it for granted that we're headed for actual disaster, or in the midst of an actual crisis, rather than just a PR disaster for the government, or at worst a missed opportunity to steer away from an iceberg we were heading for anyway.

(Even the precedent most Labour-optimists would cite, Black Wednesday, is ill-fitting. It was a political disaster, but an economic blessing - granted, for a £1bn tithe - in disguise, hence the economy being in reasonably good shape when Blair came in.)
>>96803
Bitter soul that I am, I had to check: Labour were polling better than this in 1990, and we all know how that turned out.
>> No. 96807 Anonymous
28th September 2022
Wednesday 6:31 pm
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>>96805
>With enough of the party against her, it wouldn't be entirely out of the question to see a general no confidence vote
Truss has a majority somewhere north of 70. You are not going to get a Tory MP to vote against their own government in a confidence vote. You are also not going to get a Tory MP to skip a confidence vote without a pair.
>> No. 96808 Anonymous
28th September 2022
Wednesday 6:38 pm
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>>96806
>Why's nobody out there making the case that a fall in the pound is a good (or at least neutral) thing because it'll promote exports or such?
Because there isn't a case to make. And someone at the Bank of England seemed to think that collapse was imminent.

https://news.sky.com/story/pound-slumps-live-news-mortgages-interest-rates-imf-12615118?postid=4544012#liveblog-body
>> No. 96809 Anonymous
28th September 2022
Wednesday 6:44 pm
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>>96807

>Truss has a majority somewhere north of 70

No, she doesn't. Boris did.
>> No. 96810 Anonymous
28th September 2022
Wednesday 6:49 pm
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>>96808
>Because there isn't a case to make
There's always a case to make in economic policy. If it's not working, you just say it's pain now for gain later combined with global circumstances. With that in mind, a pass mark to whoever this was:
>A minister has told Sky News' deputy political editor Sam Coates it is "bullsh**t" that today's market movement was related to the mini-budget announcement.
>They pointed to the Bank of Japan intervention as evidence of a global problem.
Because that'd be the kind of thing I'd have gone looking for when asked to explain away the BoE intervention - see, it's easy. Not particularly convincing, but easy.

>>96807
It's a shame the Tories are such a boring version of evil sitting in power for the long haul. Japan's LDP has lost confidence votes it should've won handily on at least two occasions due to factions not supporting it in confidence votes.
>> No. 96811 Anonymous
28th September 2022
Wednesday 6:50 pm
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>>96809
Did a fuckload of Tory MPs resign the whip while we weren't looking? No? Then she's still got that majority.
>> No. 96812 Anonymous
28th September 2022
Wednesday 6:56 pm
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>>96811

Once again, there is plenty of historic precedent that you don't just inherit mandate, this situation has happened plenty of times before. That majority only exists on paper, in reality she is a crippled pigeon or whatever they call it.
>> No. 96813 Anonymous
28th September 2022
Wednesday 7:07 pm
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>>96808

>Why's nobody out there making the case that a fall in the pound is a good (or at least neutral) thing because it'll promote exports or such?

Because we've got a massive trade deficit and no possible capacity to remedy it. We have to import shitloads of stuff and we can't make enough stuff for export to make it up.
>> No. 96814 Anonymous
28th September 2022
Wednesday 7:25 pm
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>>96813
Surely the long-term effect of devaluation is to change incentives in a way that rectifies that? Your imports fall because, however much people want them, they can't pay for them, and your exports hopefully increase because your stuff is cheaper abroad than it used to be. One way of looking at it would be to identify the trade deficit itself as the problem.

(Obviously I'm oversimplifying here, leaving out that exporters can be buggered by devaluation if they're importing something, working on it, then exporting that, but the devil's allowed to oversimplify.)
>> No. 96815 Anonymous
28th September 2022
Wednesday 8:21 pm
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>>96814
The trade deficit widened after the Brexit vote even though the fall in Sterling should have made exports more attractive and imports less attractive.

IIRC, exporters were more interested in short-term profiteering rather than trying to gain a longer term competitive advantage and increase their market share through the falling currency.
>> No. 96816 Anonymous
28th September 2022
Wednesday 8:28 pm
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>>96814

Sure, in theory, but that's where you're going wrong. For that to be true you have to believe in the invisible hand of the free market as a magic self-stabilising gyroscopic mechanism in the true Thatcherite fashion. But it's not, and anyone with any sense knows it's not. You have to manage your economy, or else your economy gets eaten alive and your population are turned into povvos; which in turn means you'll eventually become a povvo, because your peasants won't be able to afford to pay you your tithe.

The clever, competent Tories, and most of our financial elites, know this. In an ironic kind of way, the bourgeoise are all closet Marxists in that sense. What's dangerous is when you get thickos like Truss, for whom the penny never dropped.
>> No. 96817 Anonymous
28th September 2022
Wednesday 8:51 pm
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>>96815
That and a large proportion of those who do export in this country are relying on other imports to a large extent as a part of their business, such as energy or raw materials, the increased cost of importing those things even before the current crises limited many companies ability to capitalise on the falling pound.
My company for instance is fairly successful importer, we're mostly just buying steel from Europe, adding a margin, and selling it to the USA and Asia.
>> No. 96818 Anonymous
28th September 2022
Wednesday 8:56 pm
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>>96817
*Exporter I meant
>> No. 96819 Anonymous
28th September 2022
Wednesday 8:57 pm
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>>96806
I've been wondering why nobody wants to play devil's advocate too. And you are, I assume, totally right that our exports are currently absolute bargains. But we import more than we export, so the net effect is a negative one.

Another thought I've had is that the Bank of England is now "stepping in" to save us all, and they're doing this by working against the government. They can do this because they're technically independent. So rather than have both the government and the Bank of England working together, as I assume they usually do, they're now pulling in opposite directions and deliberately trying to thwart each other's policies. I can't think of any way in which that can be a good thing.

But the thing that really surprises me most of all at the moment is the fact that the usually supine media are turning on the government. Some of the outright bootlicking tabloid newspapers are probably still backing Liz Truss, but the BBC has to be impartial as part of its charter, and when they can't be impartial they just parrot the government line since that's what we voted for, and right now that isn't happening. They're not quite into full "MONG LIZ RUINS EVERYTHING, THE DUMB BITCH" territory yet, but their phrasing has moved from "The government has defended its policies by pointing to bla bla bla" towards "Some people have criticised recent government policy, by calling the Prime Minister a mong and saying the dumb bitch has ruined everything. Now, let's interview the Leader of the Opposition to hear how he can do a better job." That's quite a noticeable change in my opinion.
>> No. 96820 Anonymous
28th September 2022
Wednesday 8:57 pm
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>>96814

>Surely the long-term effect of devaluation is to change incentives in a way that rectifies that? Your imports fall because, however much people want them, they can't pay for them, and your exports hopefully increase because your stuff is cheaper abroad than it used to be.

It's a matter of capacity. Our stuff being cheaper abroad only helps us if we can increase the amount of stuff we make.

If I run a British widget factory, a fall in the pound will have an immediate positive impact on my export profits, but it'll reduce my profits on domestic sales if I'm importing parts and materials.

I might want to ramp up production to take advantage of the weak pound, but I'll need more staff. At the moment the labour market is very tight, so there's no guarantee that I'll be able to recruit anyone, let alone someone with the right skills and experience. If I decide to offer higher wages to attract new staff, that's going to have an impact on all of my salary differentials - experienced staff aren't going to be happy about being on the same money as a new hire.

I'll also probably need machinery. Assuming I've got sufficient space on my shop floor to accommodate it, I almost certainly won't be able to buy that machinery from a UK manufacturer. If I can, that machine will be mostly made from imported parts, so I'll get bitten by a weak pound either way. With supply chains being as they are, I'll probably have to wait at least nine months for delivery, possibly much longer. I'm almost certainly going to buy that machine on credit for cashflow reasons, so I'll be hit by higher interest rates. Even if the sums add up in the short term, I'll probably be quite reluctant to make a major long-term investment based on a short-term fluctuation in exchange rates. If the pound rebounds quickly or interest rates continue to rise, I could end up with a white elephant.

We're mostly a service economy, but that just exacerbates the labour problem. An international law firm can't magic up a load of extra staff with experience in some specialised area of law and the right language skills. Even if you find the perfect candidate, it's likely that it'll take them many months to fully integrate into the company and possibly years to match the productivity of experienced staff. Prior to Brexit there was a reasonable chance of recruiting someone from the EU, but without that route it can take months just to get the paperwork sorted; anyone I bring in will have to pay thousands of pounds in fees to the Home Office. There is of course the intangible factor of people not wanting to come to a place where they don't feel welcome.

A sustained devaluation in sterling could have quite dramatic effects on the make-up of the British economy, but the currency markets can move much faster than businesses react. Gambling on volatility inevitably produces at least as many losers as winners. Investors hate uncertainty for good reason; this change in direction for British policy has come so suddenly and on such a large scale that nobody really knows what the country will look like next year, let alone in ten years time.
>> No. 96821 Anonymous
28th September 2022
Wednesday 9:08 pm
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>>96819

>But the thing that really surprises me most of all at the moment is the fact that the usually supine media are turning on the government.

They have been for a while now. I seem to remember calling it last year, I can't remember if I posted it here or was just chatting to mates, but I noticed around about the time of partygate that even the staunchly Tory papers like the Telegraph and Express etc were having a hard time toeing the line.

This is how I feel so confident to predict we'll have a Labour government within a year or two. Ultimately it's the press that decide elections in this country, and the press appear to have decided the Tories have had it.
>> No. 96822 Anonymous
28th September 2022
Wednesday 10:09 pm
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>>96821
HONEY, I SHRUNK THE QUIDS!
>> No. 96823 Anonymous
28th September 2022
Wednesday 10:35 pm
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>>96812
>Once again, there is plenty of historic precedent that you don't just inherit mandate, this situation has happened plenty of times before.
By all means, let us know of the last time a Conservative PM took the job mid-term and had 40 of their own MPs rebel on a confidence motion.
>> No. 96825 Anonymous
29th September 2022
Thursday 9:34 am
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We didn't deserve Rishi did we?
>> No. 96826 Anonymous
29th September 2022
Thursday 9:55 am
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She did the rounds on local radio this morning. By the end it was just getting cruel to the point where you'd wish someone would just euthanise her already.
>> No. 96827 Anonymous
29th September 2022
Thursday 10:20 am
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I would like apologise for previous statements suggesting the country needed a government at a time of national crisis, but in the correct thread this time.
>> No. 96828 Anonymous
29th September 2022
Thursday 11:35 am
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>>96825
I still think the best Chancellor we've had under these Conservatives has been Philip Hammond. Rishi Sunak would have been ideologically very similar to Liz Truss; he's just competent as well as awful.
>> No. 96829 Anonymous
29th September 2022
Thursday 11:48 am
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Dumb Fascism. Oswald Mosley is PM but he talks like Spike Milligan on the Goon Show.
>> No. 96830 Anonymous
29th September 2022
Thursday 11:59 am
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>>96828

To be fair to Sunak, he made all the right noises during the Covid pandemic. He went out of his way to reassure the City that his measures were temporary and targeted, and that he had a serious plan for how the debt would be managed. At the time, he was criticised for pandering to bankers during a national crisis, but Kwarteng has shown just how dangerous it is to have a loose cannon as chancellor. The markets aren't reacting to tax cuts - they're reacting to the threat that if this is a "mini budget", what will a full size budget look like?
>> No. 96831 Anonymous
29th September 2022
Thursday 12:23 pm
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So the bankers are all panicking and they're angry with the government. Kwasi Kwarteng had to go to a meeting with lots of top bankers yesterday to "reassure" them, and I think he will have had to beg them to get onside. Now, these bankers are all very powerful men. And we know what powerful men are like. So I can't help but wonder, do you think Kwasi Kwarteng sucked them off?
>> No. 96832 Anonymous
29th September 2022
Thursday 12:44 pm
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>>96831
It wouldn't surprise me if that's all for show. A lot of them have done very well out of this fuck up.

When Truss was doing the rounds on the radio this morning she's been falsely stating that the maximum people will pay under the energy guarantee is £2,500.

https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1575432411491491840
>> No. 96833 Anonymous
29th September 2022
Thursday 12:54 pm
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>>96832

>It wouldn't surprise me if that's all for show. A lot of them have done very well out of this fuck up.

It's definitely not all for show. Hedge funds have profited out of this crisis, but that's literally the point of hedge funds - they're designed to make less money during booms, but keep making some money during busts. They are very much unrepresentative of the City as a whole.

The Bank of England is spending £65bn on buying government debt because they're genuinely worried that pension schemes could go bust. That is inarguably a Very Bad Thing for the financial services industry as a whole, even if a minority of traders who specialise in short selling might do well out of it. There are some very clever people who are very good at profiting from chaos, but everyone else in the City prefers it when everything is going up in value and everyone is making money.
>> No. 96834 Anonymous
29th September 2022
Thursday 5:49 pm
96834 Alliance for Wankers Liberty
Since when does anyone worth listening to think economic policy should be run in the interest of the city? It'd be better if the confrontation between government and global capital was taking place because they'd nationalised everything larger than poundbakery and blocked the Thames with landlord skeletons, but if it's over the government's Edward Scissorhands attempts to play with their wallets then bugger it, critical support. We're going to hurt whatever happens, make them hurt too.
Yes you could use this line of argument to justify sinking the entire country to the bottom of the ocean like Atlantis. Yes, we'd offer critical support for that too...
>> No. 96835 Anonymous
29th September 2022
Thursday 6:18 pm
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>>96830
>The markets aren't reacting to tax cuts - they're reacting to the threat that if this is a "mini budget", what will a full size budget look like?
They're reacting badly because the government fired top officials involved in coordinating with the BoE, announced a shitload of extra spending coinciding with a shitload of tax cuts amounting to a hole in the budget nearly a 100bn big, without any plans for how that would be managed, and gagged the OBR from releasing any forecasts relating to it. (And of course the only reason they've gagged the OBR would be because they only had bad news).

In other words they're reacting badly because the government is flying in the face of absolutely all advice from people who understand what they're talking about, in order to pursue a wet dream that might have barely been tolerated if it was done 10 years ago when borrowing was practically free.
>> No. 96836 Anonymous
29th September 2022
Thursday 6:29 pm
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>>96834

>Since when does anyone worth listening to think economic policy should be run in the interest of the city?

Because the City looks after your money. Ask your mum about her pension, ask your first-time-buyer mates about their mortgage offers. The City isn't hurting from this, you're hurting, because they'll pass on the higher costs of capital and higher risk premiums.

What people don't understand is that there are two very different sides to the City. On the one hand, you've got the city boy stereotype, which definitely does exist - the mad gamblers, the corporate raiders, the people who have turned the City into a piggybank-cum-casino for oligarchs and tyrants. On the other, you've got a lot of very boring people who are essentially the old-fashioned bowler-hatted bankers without the bowler hats; they make very boring, very careful long-term financial decisions and spend most of their time worrying about risk.

The balance between those two tribes has swung over the years, but the vast majority of money that is managed by the City is managed by careful people for the benefit of the general public. People who are good at doing that can still make a lot of money, because a fraction of a percent of billions of pounds is a lot of money, but they aren't ripping anyone off, they're just providing a useful service that most people rely on. I'm not arguing that we should unconditionally trust the banking industry, just that most of it behaves in a trustworthy manner most of the time.

We've been badly let down in the past by financial regulators, but the post-2013 regime of the FCA/PRA is generally pretty on the ball and it's not easy to get away with pisstaking any more. What we're seeing on the financial markets at the moment isn't some kind of plot by greedy bankers, it's what happens when people who look after money for a living see the government do something that poses massive risks to the future prosperity of Britain. They're sounding the alarm that this government is pushing Britain towards the kind of ultra-high-risk economy that we usually only see in Latin America or South Asia, that the government is gambling with the entire British economy. For a very small part of the City that's great news, but for most of their business it's a disaster. The City has a centuries-old reputation for stability and prudence, which this government seems willing to squander. If they have to rebuild that reputation, it'll take decades and it'll harm everyone in Britain.
>> No. 96837 Anonymous
29th September 2022
Thursday 6:48 pm
96837 Labour surges to 33-point lead over Tories after Liz Truss budget ‘disaster
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/liz-truss-polls-budget-labour-keir-starmer-b2178681.html

*toilet flushing sounds*
>> No. 96841 Anonymous
29th September 2022
Thursday 7:22 pm
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>> No. 96842 Anonymous
29th September 2022
Thursday 7:26 pm
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>>96836
The structure of pensions at present seems so objectionable as to be worth taking the same scorched earth position on and I never expect to get a mortgage. As for the city: Why not leave its reputation in ruins and find a new comparative advantage in making cloth?

(Clearly I'm not really arguing for the things I'm saying. It's more a sort of attitude that I feel like people usually show, but are being very quiet about now that the Tories are on the receiving end. With a touch of the unspoken attitude it's impossible for Britain's living standards to fall below those of, say, Spain or Italy.)
>> No. 96844 Anonymous
29th September 2022
Thursday 7:35 pm
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>>96842
>The structure of pensions at present seems so objectionable as to be worth taking the same scorched earth position on

Can you please expand and explain what you mean by this?
>> No. 96849 Anonymous
29th September 2022
Thursday 8:49 pm
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>>96842

Why do you keep posting references to the AWL?
>> No. 96850 Anonymous
29th September 2022
Thursday 9:05 pm
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>>96844
Keeping it brief: I don't like that it's a big wealth transfer from young to old done in the private sector, holding the retirement security of the old hostage to the performance of financial markets, determining the level of that retirement security in an unequal way, and creating all kinds of no-win situations if you pursue policy that markets just happen to not like. All while being so integrated with everything else that it would be all but impossible to radically restructure it all into a high-tax big-state-pension socialist paradise.

When you've got a less-than-ideal society that you're powerless to change and don't particularly expect to benefit from, it's satisfying to chat shit and say things like: Destroy the pension funds. That doing so would be nothing but harmful doesn't really matter because the pension funds being destroyed on my orders is even less likely than them being nationalised on my orders.

>>96849
It's nothing against them specifically. It's just a joke that the kind of "why not just destroy it?" angle I presented is edgy student revolutionary stuff, so I'm not taking it too seriously and nobody else should either.
(Given the AWL has links with Labour, they're probably less likely than most to take this kind of angle.)
>> No. 96855 Anonymous
29th September 2022
Thursday 10:31 pm
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>> No. 96857 Anonymous
29th September 2022
Thursday 10:43 pm
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>>96855
Jesus, it's like an episode of the Thick of it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALNjevGdB5g
>> No. 96858 Anonymous
30th September 2022
Friday 9:00 am
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>>96857
I listened to the lot yesterday. It was pretty brutal, with Truss being caught completely dumbstruck maybe once per interview. Though the worst part for myself was the realisation she might well earnestly believe the nonsense she was coming out with.
>> No. 96859 Anonymous
30th September 2022
Friday 10:47 am
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If my mortgage offer gets pulled before completion, I'm going to burn down the houses of parliament.
>> No. 96860 Anonymous
30th September 2022
Friday 11:11 am
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Has anyone spoken to a John or Jane Voter who still backs Truss? I've heard the absurdity of the elite level defence of her torching the economy, but even the worst polls have the Conservatives garnering a quarter of the vote so someone must be buying it.
>> No. 96861 Anonymous
30th September 2022
Friday 11:14 am
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Is now an awful time to get on the property ladder?
>> No. 96862 Anonymous
30th September 2022
Friday 11:16 am
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>>96859
Someone on the radio said that he had his pulled. It might happen.
>> No. 96863 Anonymous
30th September 2022
Friday 12:17 pm
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>>96860
From what I can gather, it's people largely shielded from the effects of this (or at least think that they will be). They have no debt so they welcome interest rates going up and boosting their savings. They think anyone who will struggle because of mortgage rates needs to learn personal responsibility and they should have prepared for this rather than stretching themselves as they had to cope with rates of 15%. Pensioners, in other words.
>> No. 96864 Anonymous
30th September 2022
Friday 12:26 pm
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>>96863

The only pensioners who are shielded from this are either on the basic state pension or have all of their pension as inflation-linked annuities. Everyone else is going to feel it, either through inflation or the dismal state of the markets. Even if you're doing very well, a tax cut is cold comfort when your investment portfolio is in freefall.
>> No. 96866 Anonymous
30th September 2022
Friday 1:33 pm
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>>96861
If you have your mortgage sorted, probably not. If you're going to have to apply for a mortgage now, maybe wait till next year. I've sent off the signed forms to buy my house so I could be utterly buggered, but as long as you don't see houses as investments and are willing to stay a little longer in the house you buy before you buy a bigger one, it's still a decent idea.
>> No. 96867 Anonymous
30th September 2022
Friday 2:46 pm
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>>96866

The part that has me on edge is that the banks can still pull your offer any time until you have the keys in your hands. And even then I wouldn't feel entirely safe, I'm sure there's something in all those pages of small print that says "we can and will make you homeless overnight if we want".

I'm at the stage of waiting for my Help to Buy bonus to come through, all the deeds and contracts have already gone through, it just needs completing when all the money's there. So needless to say I'm fucking tense about all of this. If it gets ripped out of my hands at this stage after all the stress it's already caused I might have a meltdown.
>> No. 96868 Anonymous
30th September 2022
Friday 3:14 pm
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>>96864
If you're a pensioner with an annuity, you probably don't have to worry about the markets as if your provider collapses entirely the Pensions Regulator will sort it out and you'll keep getting paid. If they have an inflation-linked annuity, their payments are going to increase.
>> No. 96869 Anonymous
30th September 2022
Friday 4:08 pm
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>>96867
That's because you're buying a house. I think it feels that way for everyone. To be honest, my house is a dump which I'm buying because the offer was accepted once I decided to just make offers on every house, so if something goes wrong, I won't have an emotional breakdown at all. But I'm still terrified.
>> No. 96871 Anonymous
1st October 2022
Saturday 12:40 am
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I hate them all more than I could ever express. The sooner the Conservative Party fucks off back to it’s home planet, the better. But I don’t know if Labour can reverse all the harm done. Even without the government the forces of conservatism in the UK are powerful and vindictive in the extreme, and I fear a sticking plaster will be applied to wounds requiring so much more than that.
>> No. 96872 Anonymous
1st October 2022
Saturday 2:19 am
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>>96871

The Express are turning against the Tories. GB News are turning against the Tories. Three separate polls have now given Labour the biggest election lead in modern British history. This is a seismic shift, only part of which is down to the sheer stupidity of Liz Truss.

The pandemic and the economic aftermath has fundamentally recalibrated British politics. The centre ground is now far more supportive of redistribution than at any point since the war. The overwhelming majority of the British public are worried about paying their bills. Mostly that's for unavoidable global reasons, but the Tories decided to elect a leader who couldn't give a fuck and seems hell-bent on making things worse. That has had the clear effect of radicalising a lot of people who just a few weeks ago might have considered voting Tory.

It's not just that people think that Liz Truss is shit, but that people have been turned against the entire basis for the last 12 years of Tory government. The sheer callousness of Truss has made moderate Tory voters feel cheated. It has made the economic arguments for austerity sound like bullshit to people who previously regarded them as simple common sense.

Labour are headed almost inevitably for a landslide victory. Starmer will take office with a shit set of economic circumstances, but he'll also have a clear mandate to radically undo the austerity agenda and rapidly return Britain to being a functioning social democracy.
>> No. 96873 Anonymous
1st October 2022
Saturday 2:44 am
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>>96872

>It has made the economic arguments for austerity sound like bullshit to people who previously regarded them as simple common sense.

It is quite remarkable that it's taken so long for the veil to be lifted, but it's true. Even the likes of the Mail comment section seems to be able to smell the bullshit by now.
>> No. 96874 Anonymous
1st October 2022
Saturday 5:07 am
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>>96872
>Labour are headed almost inevitably for a landslide victory. Starmer will take office with a shit set of economic circumstances, but he'll also have a clear mandate to radically undo the austerity agenda and rapidly return Britain to being a functioning social democracy.
Ha! You'll forgive my cynicism, but I'd like to get it out so I can look back on it: Any Starmer government will be even less radical than Blair. If anything, that's why he's soaring ahead - that nice mix of people who want change, and a press who know that if they let this one in, they can consolidate the "gains" of the last decade with a premier who'll radically re-balance society to... where it was in 2019. And if Starmer did try to go all social democratic... well, why should it only be Tory PMs who get swapped out every year or two at the behest of stupid backbenchers and a turncoat press? Isn't it time Labour gave us a female Prime Minister, after all?

(Not that I'd be any cheerier if Labour were running on a manifesto hand written by me, given all that would happen is that they'd do what they did last time i.e. 1974 - get buggered by an economy the Tories broke, ditch all their policies half way through parliament, then spend so long fighting about it that they wind up thinking Mrs. Thatcher was right.)
>> No. 96875 Anonymous
1st October 2022
Saturday 6:10 am
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>>96872
>Labour are headed almost inevitably for a landslide victory.

I refer you to polling in 1990 and the outcome of the 1992 General election.
>> No. 96876 Anonymous
1st October 2022
Saturday 12:16 pm
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I reckon she also has a humiliation fetish, some points during the local radio interviews last week her voice was wavering like she was rubbing one out.
>> No. 96877 Anonymous
1st October 2022
Saturday 12:46 pm
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>>96876

More support for my theory that Truss is autistic, I suppose.
>> No. 96878 Anonymous
1st October 2022
Saturday 1:24 pm
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She frequently wears what very much looks like a day collar, she is almost certainly a submissive in a kink-based relationship.

If her going for PM was part of a humiliation game by her partner I'd actually be fine with that. Imagine being such a sub slut that you'd be willing to destroy a country just to embarrass yourself for your master.
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1st October 2022
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>> No. 96880 Anonymous
1st October 2022
Saturday 2:19 pm
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>>96875

Had the Tories made quite as colossal of a mess of things in those circumstances? I wouldn't know, I was 2 years old, but I'm getting the feeling the turn against the Tories in this situation is a proper, genuine sea change in people's attitudes.
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1st October 2022
Saturday 3:37 pm
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>>96880
The nadir was Thatcher introducing the poll tax and the party trying to oust her, so not entirely dissimilar to where we are now with Truss. Major took over late November 1990, meaning if they get rid of Truss before Christmas they could have enough time to turn it around.
>> No. 96882 Anonymous
1st October 2022
Saturday 4:25 pm
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>>96881

> meaning if they get rid of Truss before Christmas they could have enough time to turn it around.

Ousting Truss this soon after taking office would give even more strength to people's perception that the Conservatives are an increasingly disorganised bunch suffering from fatigue after twelve years in office. Despite all her many flaws, Thatcher served as Prime Minister uninterrupted for 11 years. John Major followed with still over six years in office. Voters like stability, and they have not been getting it in a meaningful way since at least 2016 when Cameron pissed his political career up the wall with the referendum.

Truss is increasingly looking like a sad joke, and I'm not sure that the loss of voter confidence the Tories have been suffering can be reversed by replacing her with yet another Tory PM just to attempt to ensure another Tory government two years from now.

Opposition isn't just what happens to you when you lose an election. It's also an opportunity to regroup and swap out personnel for fresh new faces so you'll have a better chance next time. I've largely voted Conservative all my life, but I think they could do with a few years on the opposition bench.
>> No. 96883 Anonymous
1st October 2022
Saturday 4:36 pm
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>>96882
>Opposition isn't just what happens to you when you lose an election. It's also an opportunity to regroup and swap out personnel for fresh new faces so you'll have a better chance next time.
The problem for both parties is that the old, vaguely talented faces retire and get replaced by people who'd seem like downmarket leadership if they were deputy colleague manager in Iceland Clacton. Labour haven't exactly been hoovering in big hitters over the last 12 years, and there's little reason to think the Tories would be any different. The one thing you can say about Blair is that he'd be able to pass for PM in a film. Cameron was more of a Channel 4 made-for-TV affair, and it's all downhill from there.
>> No. 96884 Anonymous
1st October 2022
Saturday 4:39 pm
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>>96882

This is why I think it's a real and drastic thing this time. Even Tory loyalists are seeing it like someone who's had a bit too much to drink on a night out and needs to go home before they hurt themselves.

It would be an exaggeration to imagine this doing permanent, lasting damage to the Tories as a political force, they'll regroup and be back under some young Eton twat who pretends to have modernised and makes a big deal of sending the likes of Rees Mogg packing to the back benches, but they've definitely had it for the near future.

Question is how long Starmer will last and what he will do wrong to throw it all away in another few years. Tony Blair would likely be remembered as one of the country's best ever leaders if he hadn't gone and done all that Iraq business. Starmer is a man so boring I can't even imagine how he will fuck up, but then, I suppose that's a good thing.
>> No. 96885 Anonymous
1st October 2022
Saturday 4:50 pm
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Here's some 4D chess: maybe, perhaps, the Conservatives can all see that the economy isn't going to go well over the next few years, so rather than try to fix it then lose anyway, they have decided to crash into a wall in a fiery explosion that Keir Starmer cannot possibly fix, and then Labour can have several years of not being able to fix things, and then everyone can go blue again in 2029 following a sustained campaign of, "Labour STILL haven't fixed our ruined public services, national debt, worthless currency, pensions crisis, productivity crisis and dependence on foreign gas!"

Of course, that indicates that as a consequence of 2008, this country will be fucked until 2029. I hope that isn't true. Especially when there's no reason to believe things will improve at all under the inevitable hot-girl white supremacist who will be leading the Conservatives by then.
>> No. 96886 Anonymous
1st October 2022
Saturday 5:07 pm
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>>96884

Losing political parties rarely regain power again after just one term on the opposition bench, because especially when a party has been in power for a decade and more, the purge within its own ranks and the establishing of promising new figures takes longer than that. It has to do with the old cliques still continuing in the background and not fully wanting to relinquish power and letting new contenders rise, but also with the devastating impact that a lost election as such can have. You'll often have different party wings blaming each other for the debacle and being at odds for quite some time, which again makes it difficult for a new leadership to emerge. Also, unless a government really fucks it during its first term, voters tend to favour the new government even more during the following elections. And even if not, diminishing votes are usually not enough to overturn it again. The deposed opposition party is usually well aware of this, which leads to them often nominating one of their also-rans to run for PM, especially if the incumbent PM is a strong figure who is well liked by the people, which again hurts their chances in the election, but keeps their true hopefuls from suffering damage. Who are then rolled out as candidates when the incumbent government is showing signs of fatigue and dwindling voter support.
>> No. 96887 Anonymous
1st October 2022
Saturday 5:11 pm
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>>96882
I think they'll be keen to get rid of her as a damage limitation exercise. Their chances of clinging on to power are slim, but if getting rid of Truss means, say, another 60 or so Tory MPs still have their jobs after the next election I can see them pushing for it to try and save their own skins. Someone safe like Tugendhat who could be relied on to try and steady the ship.

There is absolutely no way back from this for Liz Truss. She wasn't popular to start with, but people are already worse off thanks to her.

>>96885
I don't think things are going to be as bad as is being made out, provided Truss doesnt have any other bright ideas. The media have a habit of making a lot of noise and causing people to panic.
>> No. 96888 Anonymous
1st October 2022
Saturday 5:25 pm
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>>96884
>Tony Blair would likely be remembered as one of the country's best ever leaders if he hadn't gone and done all that Iraq business.
Sometimes I think that Iraq was a good thing for Blair. It keeps this line floating around so he can be half-defended on his domestic record, without looking at how he failed at implementing his own agenda. He failed to tie Britain and Europe more closely together, he failed to make Labour the natural party of government, and a glance at PISA scores suggests his record on education is at-best mixed. (That is to say: They're stagnant, but it's a selective measure.)
Now you can say he did devolution, lords reform, the minimum wage, and so on, but I'd give those a lower weighting because he wasn't personally enthusiastic about most of these things - they were someone else's agenda. Then all you're left with is peace in Northern Ireland (granted), and benign global economic circumstances. Even if you want to cheat and credit the government for the latter, independence for the Bank of England was Brown's agenda, not his. When you add it all up, you might get the best premiership on record - but only because a small number of pluses are hit with even fewer minuses. (Though the implication of this way of calculating it is almost certainly that Thatcher was our best leader. She lead us to hell, but nevertheless she lead...)

Mind you, it's not just Blair who has an odd reputation. It's so popular to insist that Gordon Brown would've been great but for 2008 that even the man himself is doing it. You'd half think that if the American banks hadn't wrecked it all, Mr. Prudence would've delivered the 2017 Labour manifesto a decade early. I suppose what I'm getting at is, perversely it can pay off for your reputation if you get shot in the foot. It takes you from boring to "but for..."

>>96885
I don't think it's consciously planned, but if Labour take office I'm pretty convinced that's what will happen. Starmer named 4 "Labour Moments" in his speech - 45, 64, and 97. Conspicuous by is absence was the one most comparable to current circumstances: 74.
>> No. 96889 Anonymous
1st October 2022
Saturday 10:17 pm
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>The King, a passionate environmental campaigner, has abandoned plans to attend next month’s Cop27 climate change summit after Liz Truss told him to stay away. He had intended to deliver a speech at the meeting of world leaders in Egypt.

>Truss, who is also unlikely to attend the Sharm el-Sheikh gathering, objected to the King’s plans during a personal audience at Buckingham Palace last month. The news comes amid suspicion that the government may water down, or abandon, its environmental target to achieve “net zero” by 2050.

>A senior royal source said: “It is no mystery that the King was invited to go there. He had to think very carefully about what steps to take for his first overseas tour, and he is not going to be attending Cop.” They said the decision was made on the government’s advice and was “entirely in the spirit of being ever-mindful as King that he acts on government advice”.

>Charles is still determined to make his presence felt there, and how he will do that is “under active discussion”. A senior royal source said: “Just because he is not in physical attendance, that doesn’t mean His Majesty won’t find other ways to support it.”

>A source who knows Charles said he would be “personally disappointed” to miss it and was “all lined up to go”, with several engagements planned around his Sustainable Markets Initiative (SMI) which aims to persuade businesses to invest in environmentally friendly initiatives.

>The source said: “The Queen gave an entirely non-political address at Cop last year . . . it sounds like he is not being given the choice. That is an error of judgment on the part of the government. The King could absolutely go and deliver the government’s message and give it credibility, given all the kudos he has in that space. It’s disappointing if people don’t believe he’d be able to do that, of course he could. He delivered the Queen’s speech at the state opening of parliament, rattling off lots of policies that went against his personal beliefs. He absolutely can put the government seatbelt on and drive at 30 miles per hour. He has already shown he is more than equal to that task.”

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/liz-truss-advised-king-charles-to-stay-away-from-cop27-climate-summit-573sg09tm
>> No. 96890 Anonymous
1st October 2022
Saturday 10:26 pm
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>>96889

Truss is a fucking trainwreck, barely a month in office.

Who would have thought that somebody could still lower the bar after BoJo's tenure.
>> No. 96891 Anonymous
1st October 2022
Saturday 10:50 pm
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>>96890
I'd say it's what we deserve, but "we" doesn't really mean anyone. It doesn't mean you or I, because we've not had a say in any of this, and it doesn't mean the journalists and politicians and so on who got us into this mess, because they never suffer the consequences of their own actions. Still: "We" had to let Johnson rule because in 2019 the alternative was big bad Jeremy. Once he was out of the picture we remembered Johnson was no good, so we'd give anything to be rid of him - and like all good stories about wishes, you learn there's a catch when it's granted in the form of The Right Honourable Liz Truss MP, PM.

>>96889
What's the point of having a king named Charles if he won't do the right thing and scrap parliament? I wish I'd never voted for him...
>> No. 96892 Anonymous
2nd October 2022
Sunday 12:27 am
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>>96891

Even Gordon Brown at the end of Labour rule wasn't as bad as this.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3F_ly9xSqQ

If you weren't around back then, you're entirely forgiven for wondering why that was crucial in derailing his election campaign. Boris Johnson had no qualms at all doing stuff like that on a daily basis and it raised few eyebrows.
>> No. 96893 Anonymous
2nd October 2022
Sunday 8:42 am
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>>96890
They're getting played. This was also in The Times:

>Kwasi Kwarteng attended a private champagne reception hours after delivering his mini-budget where hedge fund managers who would gain from a crash in the pound egged him on to commit to his plans.

>The chancellor also gave guests insights about forthcoming government spending cuts during the event, which took place at the Chelsea home of Andrew Law, a financier and Conservative Party donor, on the evening of Friday, September 23. The disclosure raises questions about Kwarteng’s political judgment. It will also raise concern that the event informed his decision to announce plans for even bigger tax cuts despite the market’s negative reaction to his initial plans.

>Sterling collapsed to its lowest level since 1985 amid market turmoil which, alongside Kwarteng’s £45 billion tax giveaway for the highest earners, benefited many of those at the drinks event. After the reception on Friday, at least two prominent hedge fund bosses told City associates that Kwarteng was “a useful idiot”. A senior Tory who advises business leaders said the phrase was in widespread circulation.

>Guests drank wine, champagne and cocktails as they congratulated Kwarteng on the reforms he had outlined in the House of Commons. According to a source, the ambience was “very, very positive”. Another said guests explicitly told Kwarteng to “double down” — an approach from which some stood to make enormous profits.

>Two sources say Kwarteng described the Friday as a “great day for freedom”. A third said: “He was high on adrenaline. His big thing was: ‘Look, we’re not going to do stuff incrementally. We really believe in this stuff and that’s what we’re going to do.’

>Kwarteng is also said to have warned those present of austerity-style budget cuts to come. A source said: “He wanted to give an unadulterated message of ‘growth, growth, growth’, and that’s why he didn’t talk about savings, because otherwise the [news] agenda would have been all about savings — ‘where will you cut? What will you cut? Blah blah blah’ — they’re fully aware they have to make savings.”

>As it was a party, officials would not be required to disclose it on ministerial transparency returns.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/fa66c306-419f-11ed-bf78-197f09550dd1
>> No. 96894 Anonymous
2nd October 2022
Sunday 9:26 am
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>> No. 96895 Anonymous
2nd October 2022
Sunday 10:16 am
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHU_ThTBuzU
>> No. 96896 Anonymous
2nd October 2022
Sunday 10:18 am
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>>96895

Same energy. Time is a flat circle. The future is just more of this but worse. Decapitate a banker. Eat your Landlord.
>> No. 96897 Anonymous
2nd October 2022
Sunday 1:51 pm
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>>96885

I'm personally going with the theory it's all been a several year long pantomime act intended to make things so unbearable the public will accept rejoining the EU, which The Powers That Be never wanted to leave to begin with, and it has to happen on Labour's watch so that the Tories can hold onto the vaguely nationalist anti-benefit scrounger Daily Mail base they always rely on when they've got nothing else.

The trouble is even when Labour get in, and even supposing Tony "Keir" Starmer actually wants to implement anything meaningfully social democratic, they won't be able to, because the Tories already milked the magic money tree to death and then set it on fire. They've painted us into a corner and the country will effectively need a bailout. So Brussels will offer to forgive our sins and give us a warm re-entry, under the condition we submit to the ECB.
>> No. 96898 Anonymous
2nd October 2022
Sunday 7:33 pm
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>> No. 96899 Anonymous
3rd October 2022
Monday 12:26 am
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Laura Kuenssberg's new show was pretty much advertised as being deliberately non-confrontational. "We know what the people want, and the people are fed up with arguments and shouting, so let's just have a polite chat about government policy instead with the ministers who decide it." I've never been one of these people who believe Laura Kuenssberg is a Tory stooge, but she certainly gets the scoops she gets because she is very friendly with government people, and that friendliness can sometimes result in favourable, non-confrontational coverage.

Anyway, if even Laura Kuenssberg is chatting shit straight to your face, you're done for.
>> No. 96900 Anonymous
3rd October 2022
Monday 7:23 am
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>Chancellor Kwasi Kwarteng is expected to make a statement in the next hour, reversing the proposed scrapping of the 45p rate of income tax, 10 days after it was announced in the mini-budget.

>The U-turn comes after several Tory MPs voiced their opposition to the plan. Government sources are yet to comment on the reports. Ex-cabinet minister Grant Shapps had warned Liz Truss would lose a Commons vote on the proposal.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63114279
>> No. 96901 Anonymous
3rd October 2022
Monday 7:36 am
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>>96900
It's impressive stuff. They'd managed to piss off every demographic barring the wealthy until now. BINGO!
>> No. 96902 Anonymous
3rd October 2022
Monday 12:41 pm
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Apparently the pound has "surged" back up to the heady heights of 1.12 USD this morning. Does that mean it was all a false alarm?
>> No. 96903 Anonymous
3rd October 2022
Monday 1:03 pm
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>>96902
I'm confident that would have happened anyway. Our output is still the same, our exports are the same, our employment rate is the same. Lots of people saw how dumb it was to make wild maverick announcements that the Bank of England would then have to fight against, and they made the very easy gamble that the pound would crash. So many people made that gamble that it crashed the pound even further. It was always going to go back up again once they'd all made their profits. Also, how is the dollar doing? If the dollar is going down, as it might be if exports are now more expensive, then our own currency would appear to be going up relative to it.
>> No. 96904 Anonymous
3rd October 2022
Monday 4:16 pm
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>>96903

The USD has-been going up against everything pretty much all year, it's not just about everything else going down because of Europe bleeding itself to spite Putin either, the Fed's interest rate hikes have given it a boost.

From what I understand though, an overvalued dollar is very much a bad thing in its own right. As the "global reserve" currency it wants to be stable first and foremost, and generally middle of the road in terms of value. The Yanks appear to be attempting to stoke a deliberate recession and surge in unemployment in order to counteract inflation, compared to everyone else's decision to simply ride it out.

Fuck knows though, everything seems to be fucked.
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3rd October 2022
Monday 4:25 pm
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>>96902

> Apparently the pound has "surged" back up to the heady heights of 1.12 USD this morning. Does that mean it was all a false alarm?

Now that Kwarteng has undone the thing that the City thought was reckless, the pound has returned to the level that it was before he did the thing. That's not so much a false alarm as putting out the fire that he started himself. Bond yields still haven't stabilised, suggesting that there's still a lot of nervousness about what his next bright idea might be.
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3rd October 2022
Monday 4:51 pm
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>>96904
>The Yanks appear to be attempting to stoke a deliberate recession and surge in unemployment in order to counteract inflation, compared to everyone else's decision to simply ride it out.

In my opinion, the BoE have been too slow in raising interest rates. It was obvious what was going to happen with inflation.

Truss went and fucked it, but the raise wouldn't have had to be so stark if the BoE hadn't artificially kept them so low for so long rather than gradually building them up earlier. I think what's certain is that the extremely low base rate of 2008 until the other week is a thing of the past and we're going back to 'normal'.
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3rd October 2022
Monday 8:58 pm
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>>96904
The Chinese Yuan has a lot to do with it too. There are a multitude of banks in China, all ultimately state-owned puppets. Between them they hold the biggest reserve of foreign currency in the world and as the Americans have been pushing up the value of the Dollar over the past year and the Yuan has been falling due to the ongoing effects of Chinas zero covid policy and housing-sector crisis, the chinese banks have engaged in coordinated selloffs of their reserves to try and prop up the yuan. Although a large part of the fall in GBP last week was on international markets, a big part of the loss of confidence amongst investors seems to have been prompted by Asian trading with a disproportionally large volume of transactions in GBP from China.
>> No. 96908 Anonymous
3rd October 2022
Monday 9:10 pm
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>>96905
>Kwarteng has undone the thing that the City thought was reckless

Nope. Reversing the NI raise and slashing 1p off the income tax rate without any costing or plans is still reckless enough in itself. I think the markets had already priced in recklessness before the budget, they didn't react badly to the 45p tax rate because it was reckless they reacted badly because it was outright stupidity.
>> No. 96910 Anonymous
4th October 2022
Tuesday 2:16 am
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>>96908

The reckless thing wasn't the tax cuts, it was unfunded tax cuts. The city were perfectly reassured once they were told that there would be another wave of brutal austerity. Abandoning the top rate change was just a sop for the rest of us. Obviously the rest of us aren't very reassured by that, but the financial system is fine with economically sustainable misery.

>>96909

The chancellor is said to have told attendees at the reception of austerity-style budget cuts to come. The guests drank wine, champagne and cocktails and congratulated him on the measures announced in the House of Commons, according to the Sunday Times.

A source told the newspaper: “He wanted to give an unadulterated message of ‘growth, growth, growth’, and that’s why he didn’t talk about savings, because otherwise the [news] agenda would have been all about savings – ‘Where will you cut? What will you cut? Blah blah blah.’ They’re fully aware they have to make savings.”


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/oct/01/kwasi-kwarteng-reportedly-spoke-of-austerity-cuts-at-champagne-party
>> No. 96911 Anonymous
4th October 2022
Tuesday 3:13 pm
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>Half Of Brits Think Liz Truss Should Resign After Just 25 Days In Office

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2022/09/30/fee3a/1
>> No. 96912 Anonymous
4th October 2022
Tuesday 7:52 pm
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Apparently the petition to hold a general election is over 500,000 signatures by now.

Obviously they'll just dismiss the idea out of hand, but it raises an interesting question. Should there be a mechanism for the electorate to directly demand an election in times of dire dissatisfaction with the government?
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4th October 2022
Tuesday 8:32 pm
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>>96912
The fact that police don't have guns is that mechanism. We could remove the government at any time if enough of us wanted to desperately enough.

All the adventures with the Fixed-Term Parliaments Act in the decade or so since it was introduced probably addresses such a thing, as well. The Brexit saga in particular had multiple times when MPs themselves were trying to bring about general elections against the will of other MPs.
>> No. 96914 Anonymous
4th October 2022
Tuesday 8:50 pm
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>>96913

>The fact that police don't have guns is that mechanism. We could remove the government at any time if enough of us wanted to desperately enough.

I do hope you're not being entirely serious with this remark, lad.
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4th October 2022
Tuesday 9:10 pm
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>>96914
"Enough of us" means enough of the country, not enough of the three people who post on this website. We couldn't do it on our own. But uprisings have happened before. I guess my post was a bit weaselly, because you can't name a single time when enough of the people of a country wanted to and still failed, because if they failed, then there weren't enough of them, so QED.
>> No. 96916 Anonymous
4th October 2022
Tuesday 10:27 pm
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I meant more the plain inaccuracy of the statement. The police have plenty of guns, not they they'd need them.

You're legitimately going to argue that because violent revolution is technically possible, there's no conceivable need for a democratic process to call for a change of government?

Of all the possible arguments against the concept, that's the one you're going with?
>> No. 96917 Anonymous
4th October 2022
Tuesday 11:17 pm
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>>96916

I don't think he's saying there shouldn't be a less violent mechanism, just that it is there as a possibility.
>> No. 96918 Anonymous
5th October 2022
Wednesday 2:35 pm
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It's absolutely hilarious how quickly the rightist press started parroting the "anti-growth coalition" bollocks. It'll probably work too, another seven years of this nightmare is being brewed up as I type this.
>> No. 96919 Anonymous
5th October 2022
Wednesday 5:46 pm
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>> No. 96920 Anonymous
5th October 2022
Wednesday 8:04 pm
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>>96919

>GETTING BRITAIN MOVING

I love how even their slogan these days basically says "Come on, that's enough now, get up, you lazy sods. Come on, put your shoes and socks on. Stop being so bone idle, scum."
>> No. 96921 Anonymous
5th October 2022
Wednesday 8:42 pm
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>>96919

Did the speech writers quit or something?
>> No. 96922 Anonymous
5th October 2022
Wednesday 9:30 pm
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>>96919

That thumbnail is giving me unpleasant flashbacks to the "going in dry" rumour.
>> No. 96923 Anonymous
5th October 2022
Wednesday 9:32 pm
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>> No. 96924 Anonymous
5th October 2022
Wednesday 9:42 pm
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>>96922

For anyone out of the loop. The author of that tweet has a Westminster lobby pass.
>> No. 96925 Anonymous
5th October 2022
Wednesday 9:53 pm
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>>96924
Every minute I morn more and more for our lost PM, Rishi Sunak.
>> No. 96926 Anonymous
5th October 2022
Wednesday 10:28 pm
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She was wearing the Story of O necklace during the speech. She's been tucking it in recently but it was on display in her psycho mong speech.

Who is her dom? I don't think it's Kwarteng. Is it Odey?

What I wouldn't give for access to the filing cabinets at GCHQ...
>> No. 96927 Anonymous
6th October 2022
Thursday 12:13 am
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>>96926

Is she married? I can't be arsed to look it up, but I don't think you'd wear a day collar unless you were in a long term and/or 24/7 lifestyle D/s relationship.
>> No. 96928 Anonymous
6th October 2022
Thursday 2:15 am
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>>96926

Allegedly it's her husband. Truss had an affair in 2004 with Mark Field MP, who was her political mentor - she fessed up to that, there's no rumour involved there. After the affair became public, she told the press that it was a "learning experience" and said that her marriage has become "a lot stronger". It's at about this time that the Ring of Truss necklace appeared on the scene.

Rumour has it that Truss didn't want to break off her marriage, but did want her husband to become more assertive, so to speak. The rumours suggest that the bum stuff is part of the deal - her arse is public property, but her vag belongs to her husband/master. This may or may not have anything to do with the parentage of her eldest daughter, who was conceived at about the same time as the affair with Field.


>> No. 96929 Anonymous
6th October 2022
Thursday 5:45 am
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>>96928
>her arse is public property
Ah-ha! You had me going for a minute.
>> No. 96930 Anonymous
6th October 2022
Thursday 10:29 am
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>>96929

Think about it - if you're a staunch Thatcherite, nationalising your own anus is the ultimate kink.

Also (allegedly) this:

https://dorseteye.com/bring-on-the-sex-pests-tory-government-as-leaked-unredacted-spreadsheet-reveals-multiple-culprits/
>> No. 96931 Anonymous
6th October 2022
Thursday 12:07 pm
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>>96930

Do you reckon part of their foreplay is elaborate dirty talk about how share prices in Truss Arse Plc are plummeting, and soon the government will have to intervene?
>> No. 96932 Anonymous
6th October 2022
Thursday 12:51 pm
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>>96931

I think her arse is more like the NHS - free at the point of need, overstretched and often close to burnout, but always with the satisfaction of knowing that it's providing a vital public service.
>> No. 96933 Anonymous
6th October 2022
Thursday 1:51 pm
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>>96930

>Also (allegedly) this:


Don't get me wrong, I'm on board with not having carpet-baggers in parliament. But why stop there. Sexual deviancy isn't the only thing that can corrupt a person's moral fibre to the point where they shouldn't be allowed to be a high-ranking public servant. What about MPs who were involved in all kinds of things from tax avoidance to corruption and profiteering before they ran for a seat.
>> No. 96934 Anonymous
6th October 2022
Thursday 2:53 pm
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>>96930
I genuinely don't want to think about it. I took the dogs out earlier and the phrase "her arse is public property" kept swirling around my mind like poison in my bloodstream the entire time.

Has anyone actually read that Britannia Unchained book? Is THIS what it's all about? Getting SPADs to bum you and then having your husband send the Whips around to keep them quiet?
>> No. 96935 Anonymous
6th October 2022
Thursday 3:11 pm
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>>96934

The same thing happened with me and "beefy pos loads" a long time ago. Don't worry. It passes after eight or so years.
>> No. 96936 Anonymous
6th October 2022
Thursday 3:26 pm
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>>96934

If it helps you to picture the scene, Truss has a notable habit of keeping a very large, very empty desk in her office.
>> No. 96937 Anonymous
7th October 2022
Friday 2:25 pm
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>>96936

Might be staged. You can't have confidential government papers on your desk that somebody could identify from a picture.
>> No. 96938 Anonymous
7th October 2022
Friday 2:36 pm
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The photos with stuff on the desk look more staged than the empty ones. The issue isn't so much the lack of papers as the lack of a computer. Who has a desk without a computer on it in 2022? Jacob Rees-Mogg, obviously, or someone who has a special shagging desk.
>> No. 96939 Anonymous
7th October 2022
Friday 2:41 pm
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> Who has a desk without a computer on it in 2022?

Doesn't seem to be that unusual.
>> No. 96940 Anonymous
7th October 2022
Friday 2:45 pm
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>>96939

Joe Biden is 79, I imagine he keeps trying to change the channel with his glasses case.
>> No. 96941 Anonymous
7th October 2022
Friday 2:48 pm
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>>96940
Like Homer Simpson's mouth.
>> No. 96942 Anonymous
7th October 2022
Friday 2:59 pm
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>>96938
I don't think that's a British flag behind her either. I think she has just found an empty office and asked to be photographed in it.
>> No. 96943 Anonymous
7th October 2022
Friday 3:50 pm
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>>96942

It's the old flag of the Department of Trade and Industry.
>> No. 96944 Anonymous
7th October 2022
Friday 6:07 pm
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This is the most unattractive VPL I have ever witnessed. I'm grateful for your diligence in bringing us these important images, but please, stop.
>> No. 96945 Anonymous
7th October 2022
Friday 6:19 pm
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>>96944
How else is she supposed to share her arse with the nation while dressed for Cabinet?
>> No. 96946 Anonymous
7th October 2022
Friday 6:44 pm
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>>96945

Liz's neglected and outdated arse highlights the fundamental failures of nationalised arses. Just imagine what British arses could achieve if we unleashed the full power of the free arse market.

The trade unions and the Labour left would of course argue that Liz has deliberately run down her arse to make the case for privatisation. That overlooks the fundamental structural problems driven to the core of Liz's arse by decades of bureaucratic interference.

>>96944

No.
>> No. 96947 Anonymous
7th October 2022
Friday 7:21 pm
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So I made a post about Priti Patel's thighs ages ago and got a lengthy ban for it, but spamming all your kink fantasies about Liz Truss is evidently fine.

This is an egregious double standard.
>> No. 96948 Anonymous
7th October 2022
Friday 7:25 pm
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>>96947

Just in general I think the ".gs has atrocious taste in women and the more appallingly un-likeable the more we fancy her" joke is wearing pretty thin by this point.
>> No. 96949 Anonymous
7th October 2022
Friday 10:52 pm
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>>96947

>This is an egregious double standard.

Welcome to .gs m8.

>>96948

I don't think anyone in this thread wants to be thinking about Liz Truss's ravaged arse, but sometimes morbid curiosity makes us look at things we can't un-see. It's the medium-effort shitposting equivalent of a Gaspar Noé film.

Anyway, in actual news, Conor Burns has been sacked as trade minister for alleged misconduct for the second time in two years. Not a great start for the Truss government.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-63177669
>> No. 96950 Anonymous
8th October 2022
Saturday 12:53 am
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>>96946
Red shoes, no knickers, that's the rule - but we can clearly see she is breaking it. I like where you're going with this, and I admire your chutzpah, but no, just no. I would literally rather see Cameron in speedos than be forced to visualise Truss in big pants.

Please make it stop.
>> No. 96951 Anonymous
8th October 2022
Saturday 1:01 am
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I wonder if Sarah Millican is into anything kinky.
>> No. 96952 Anonymous
8th October 2022
Saturday 1:23 am
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>>96951

Only if custard counts as a kink.

>>96950

OK, I won't force you to visualise anything, it's a free country. Why is Liz looking over her shoulder? What's she saying? Does it involve the words "go in dry"? The choice (and blame) is entirely yours.
>> No. 96953 Anonymous
8th October 2022
Saturday 4:51 am
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>>96952
>What's she saying?

"Help, I've shit myself again"
>> No. 96954 Anonymous
8th October 2022
Saturday 11:43 pm
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>>96945
She has pretty good legs - but the arse is distinctly sub par.

Baby has no back. You other brothers can't deny.
>> No. 96956 Anonymous
8th October 2022
Saturday 11:47 pm
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>>96952
>go in dry

I've heard this rumour and phrase before. God bless PopBitch.

On the one hand I'm tickled by the fact that our Prime Minister likes bareback anal, but on the other, not that surprised about any of it and think it is probably normal in this world.
>> No. 96957 Anonymous
9th October 2022
Sunday 1:23 am
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>>96954

It's not really an arse, her legs just come to an abrupt halt.
>> No. 96958 Anonymous
9th October 2022
Sunday 6:35 pm
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>>96954

She's a rare case of a PMILF.

Well approaching the end of her window though.
>> No. 96959 Anonymous
12th October 2022
Wednesday 6:14 pm
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So who's actually still supporting these reprobates at this point? They are beyond a shambles.

What's the fastest route to a GE at this point?
>> No. 96960 Anonymous
12th October 2022
Wednesday 8:37 pm
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>>96959
The financial markets. With the Bank of England unable to control the rout on gilt yields, eventually this bunch of thickos will realise that calling a General Election is the only way out. The "fuel price cap" will finish the job off as people realise they're still paying fuck-tons more for gas and electricity, too - neither of which wholesale prices are going in the right direction for many reasons.

Perhaps December. Probably January - absolutely no way they are hanging on to the Spring unless / when Putin does something truly daft, but even then.
>> No. 96961 Anonymous
12th October 2022
Wednesday 10:20 pm
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>>96959

>So who's actually still supporting these reprobates at this point?

Those Tory MPs who have not yet submitted a letter to Graham Brady. Possibly Graham Brady, if his interpretation of the rules is that Liz Truss is immune from a leadership challenge by merit of having participated in a leadership election within the last 12 months. Regardless, the Tories can get rid of Truss, they're just not sure that they want to just yet. They know that Truss is destroying the party, but they're afraid that another leadership election could be even more damaging. Nobody apart from Truss and her most deluded supporters think that they could win the next election, but there's a vague hope that two years might be enough to run a damage limitation campaign and avoid total electoral wipeout.

>What's the fastest route to a GE at this point?

Unless Truss calls one, a vote of no confidence in the government. This would require a majority vote in parliament which is very unlikely, but just about possible if enough Tory backbenchers decide that they've had enough of politics and just want to get on with the rest of their lives.
>> No. 96962 Anonymous
12th October 2022
Wednesday 10:22 pm
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>>96961

By "these reprobates", I meant the Tory party in its entirety.
>> No. 96967 Anonymous
13th October 2022
Thursday 1:02 pm
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>> No. 96968 Anonymous
13th October 2022
Thursday 1:39 pm
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>>96967

If Charles dies this weekend, then it's proof that ARE Liz must be burned at the stake as a witch.
>> No. 96969 Anonymous
13th October 2022
Thursday 1:42 pm
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SBn looks increasingly photoshopped every time I see her.
>> No. 96970 Anonymous
13th October 2022
Thursday 2:42 pm
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>>96969
Her outfits make her features seem exaggerated. Anyway, she reminds me of a brown version of Olive Oyl.
>> No. 96971 Anonymous
13th October 2022
Thursday 9:38 pm
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>>96970

Sesame Oyl?
>> No. 96972 Anonymous
13th October 2022
Thursday 9:38 pm
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From the Guardian Live blog:
>In the latest round of extraordinary polling, a survey by People Polling for the Daily Telegraph has found Labour’s lead has stretched to a huge 34 points, with the Conservatives on 19%.
Pretty soon 80,000 will be the most votes Truss ever gets.
>> No. 96973 Anonymous
13th October 2022
Thursday 10:24 pm
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>>96972


Is this the most unpopular a government has ever been? I can't remember it ever being this bad in my lifetime. Did people hate Major this much by the end? Did people hate whoever it was before Thatcher this much?

They really have fucked it. Is it possible this actually legitimately ends the Conservatives? If you think about it, this has all being a giant snowball ever since Brexit. The only reason they've lasted this long is that Labour was busy having it's own implosion, and even Corbyn wasn't this badly disliked, even with the entire press gunning for him 24/7.

Truss has managed to be this disastrous entirely on her own merit, no slander needed.
>> No. 96974 Anonymous
13th October 2022
Thursday 11:09 pm
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>>96973

>Truss has managed to be this disastrous entirely on her own merit, no slander needed.

It's still a sign of government fatigue after 12 years in power. If the Conservatives were in any kind of good shape at all, then they never would have let somebody as disastrous as her become PM in the first place.

They've run out of capable people, and they know it.
>> No. 96975 Anonymous
13th October 2022
Thursday 11:46 pm
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>>96974

They ran out of capable people when Cameron and Osbourne left. Don't get me wrong I loathed those cunts but it has been the clowns running the circus ever since then.

If the political times of the last few years had been less extra-ordinary, they would never have made it to this point.
>> No. 96976 Anonymous
14th October 2022
Friday 9:20 am
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Am I the only one who still thinks it's all more or less artificial?
Truss, like everyone else in parliament, has no business running a parish council let alone a government. But it seems obvious to me that she's polling badly because the goldfish in the media and press are bored of the government and having fun going after it in a self-reinforcing cycle, rather than because Truss is actually substantially worse than Johnson. If it reflects an underlying incompetence on her part, it's in media management.

The same people who reassured us an austerity program that locked in the longest period of wage stagnation since the industrial revolution began was simply The Right Thing To Do because we have to make Tough Choices are now pretending that some inane tax cuts are our version of that time the dictator of Burma demonetized 80% of their currency overnight so he could replace it with denominations divisible by 9. Well, like all those Burmese who had their savings wiped out overnight: I'm not buying it. The incompetence is all too real, but the decision to pour scorn on it this time is arbitrary.
>> No. 96977 Anonymous
14th October 2022
Friday 11:18 am
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>>96976

>Am I the only one who still thinks it's all more or less artificial?

Probably.

I mean, I do see where you are coming from, but you also sound a lot like those lads we had clamping their hands over their ears about partygate, while I and others who actually live in reality were saying "he's had it, it's over, it's when not if he goes."

The broader gist of your point, that it is the press who set the narrative and essentially decide what we're supposed to think of a government, is true. But that's not evidence this government isn't as bad as they say; it's evidence that they are worse, if anything. The Tories have managed to piss off even the ivory tower kingmakers of our system, who have it in their material interests to give the right a free pass over the left, who are shielded from all but the worst financial ineptitude.

If those people are gunning for them, it really is a shitshow. It's not quite for the same reasons you or I would recognise it, we've both been aware it's a shitshow for most of the past decade I'm sure, but it still tells you something.

The thing about Thatcherite neo-liberalism is, as I've pointed out before, you're not supposed to whole heartedly believe it. You're supposed to believe in it with a wink and a nod and the understanding that no, the free market can't really fix everything, but we need to deregulate and suppress wages to remain competitive. It's a good excuse to dig in to the public finances and do what you (i.e the city) want to do with them.

The trouble with Truss and Kwarteng is, they're the dunces from the back of the classroom who never quite twigged on. They're not just playing along, they actually believe it. That's what has spooked the city, the markets, and the press. They might tolerate her in different circumstances, but they know right now, a point in history wedged between a global pandemic and world war 3, is most definitely not the time for someone like that to be in charge. This kind of government threatens to bring the whole house of cards tumbling down and fuck the whole game up.

Right now, what they fear the most is that Starmer's inevitable win and the moderate, cenrist Labour government we get as a result won't be enough of a release valve, and the people will still demand blood.
>> No. 96978 Anonymous
14th October 2022
Friday 12:49 pm
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>>96977

>You're supposed to believe in it with a wink and a nod and the understanding that no, the free market can't really fix everything, but we need to deregulate and suppress wages to remain competitive.

That may or may not be true, but it really isn't the issue right now. Trussonomics is basically the opposite of austerity - they're handing out massive tax cuts with borrowed money, totally unbalancing the country's finances for no obvious reason. It's not that they're implementing neoliberal policies, it's that they're aping neoliberalism with no actual understanding of what it's about.

The mini-budget was the policy equivalent of Truss cosplaying as Thatcher. Truss brought on Patrick Minford, who was one of Thatcher's closest economic advisors. Unfortunately, she wasn't bright enough to realise that Minford is now 79 years old and completely fucking doolally. Thatcher took advice from a broad range of heterodox economists with eccentric views, on the principle that good ideas often come from unexpected places; Truss picked one nutter and uncritically accepted his advice, without the counterweight of half a dozen other economists with radically different views.

This government is just shit and everyone knows it. Truss isn't an ideological radical, she's a very dim person who is play-acting as a radical. She doesn't believe in anything, she just recites slogans. She's a precocious sixth former in a mock parliament who has inexplicably found herself running the country for real.
>> No. 96979 Anonymous
14th October 2022
Friday 12:56 pm
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>>96978
I think you're right, she's in a tailspin now. clear that she's trying to cauterize and make out she can "do what needs to be done". I think these were her ideas as well as. This trickle down stuff is basic thatcherite ideals.
>> No. 96980 Anonymous
14th October 2022
Friday 1:12 pm
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>>96978

>It's not that they're implementing neoliberal policies, it's that they're aping neoliberalism with no actual understanding of what it's about.

Ehhh, I'd say it's a bit semantic here, but it's not that they don't understand. It's that they understand the wrong bit, the quiet bit you're not meant to say out loud, while being too thick to understand how and why that's supposed to work. If that makes sense. I can't think of a better way to word it.

They know it's about putting cash in the pockets of the people who already have loads of cash. What they don't get is that it's a cover story, that the "trickle down" nonsense is and always has been a bare faced lie. They actually think it does, and that everyone is being very mean and unfair about it, when they are really earnestly trying to kickstart investment by giving the millionaires loadsa dosh to chuck about.

>Truss isn't an ideological radical, she's a very dim person who is play-acting as a radical. She doesn't believe in anything, she just recites slogans. She's a precocious sixth former in a mock parliament who has inexplicably found herself running the country for real.

I agree with the second half, definitely. But she is certainly an ideologue. She's the worst kind of ideologue, in that she couldn't even rightly tell you why she is an ideologue. It's precisely because she's so utterly devoid of her own ideas or beliefs, that she believes so strongly in what she does believe.

It's like the opposite side of the coin to the Labour voter who has no idea what they're voting for, just that their dad and grandad always voted labour. Or, if you like, it's like someone of strong religious convictions who has never really examined them, they were just brought up with it and never questioned it.

She is a zombie neo-liberal.
>> No. 96981 Anonymous
14th October 2022
Friday 1:24 pm
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>>96979

Thatcher took office with a landslide and a very clear mandate for radical change. Her first priority in office was controlling inflation, which she achieved by massively tightening monetary and fiscal policy. Inflation did continue to rise during her first year in office, but by the end of her first term it was down to 3.5% from a peak of nearly 22%. The cost of that was a huge increase in unemployment, but she did achieve her aim of halting the wage-price spiral and stabilising the economy. The Thatcher government did eventually cut taxes, but they didn't really get started until the mid-80s when inflation had been brought back under control.

There are lots of wholly legitimate arguments against the political merits of that strategy, but the economic logic was sound and it did what it was supposed to.

Truss has jumbled up all of Thatcher's economic interventions into one meaningless mess. Thatcher did cut taxes, but she cut them at a specific time for a specific reason. Truss is trying to stimulate the economy at precisely the moment when the economy needs to be cooled down. Pretty much everyone thinks she's doing exactly the wrong thing, which is why the financial markets have reacted so negatively. Politically, she's trying to impose radical changes with no mandate whatsoever. She isn't riding a massive wave of public support after a landslide election victory, but she's acting like she is.
>> No. 96982 Anonymous
14th October 2022
Friday 1:35 pm
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>>96979
They were her ideas. She hashed it all out with Kwarteng during the leadership contest.

>>96981
It is economic illiteracy. The main types of inflation are demand-pull inflation and cost-push inflation; the inflation we currently face will not be reduced by tax cuts.
>> No. 96983 Anonymous
14th October 2022
Friday 4:18 pm
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Liz Truss has done a terrible disservice to the anal-only butt slut community. Her economic mismanagement has perpetuated so many negative stereotypes about 24/7 free use submissives. Loose holes matter.
>> No. 96984 Anonymous
14th October 2022
Friday 4:21 pm
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>> No. 96986 Anonymous
14th October 2022
Friday 9:22 pm
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>>96982
Even if Truss resigns, who fuck gets the job? Mordaunt?
>> No. 96987 Anonymous
15th October 2022
Saturday 12:07 am
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>>96986

The rumours suggest some kind of Sunak-Mordaunt partnership in the interests of party unity.
>> No. 96988 Anonymous
15th October 2022
Saturday 12:52 am
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It's really not looking good for her. She's not even going to make it past the record set by Douglas-Home in 1963/1964.

https://www.history.co.uk/articles/the-7-shortest-serving-uk-prime-ministers-in-modern-history
>> No. 96989 Anonymous
17th October 2022
Monday 1:00 am
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>>96986
I've heard the Conservatives might install Ben Wallace, who was one of the first to get utterly punted out of the leadership race. He was certainly my favourite, and he is probably the favourite of most people who would never vote Conservative in a million years. Now that nobody will ever vote for them ever again, that could almost count as a mandate.
>> No. 96990 Anonymous
17th October 2022
Monday 9:51 am
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>>96989
Wallace never ran, and he backed Truss, there wasn't any punting. He's probably as close to a unity candidate these weirdos can find now.
>> No. 96991 Anonymous
17th October 2022
Monday 11:28 am
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It looks like everything in Kwarteng’s mini-budget has been scrapped apart from NI and stamp duty, as well as the freeze on energy bills only being in its current form until April.

I can't see how Truss can hang on now. She's already a lame duck.
>> No. 96992 Anonymous
17th October 2022
Monday 12:21 pm
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>>96991

Thing is it's not just Truss, it's whoever cones after, and whoever comes after them too.

The government has lost all legitimacy, it's lost all unity, and hastily plugging in a new leader won't fix it. The party is falling apart at the seams; their mandate has evaporated and that means no leader can strong armed the red wall back benchers, or the rebel libertarians into cooperation. They quite literally do not have the authority.

Sooner or later they're going to have to call an election. It's the last thing they want to do, and they're going to get demolished. But they won't have a choice. It's only a matter of how long they can try to avoid it.
>> No. 96993 Anonymous
17th October 2022
Monday 1:23 pm
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When they said "Singapore-on-Thames" I didn't realise they meant the effective suspension of all effective democratic expression. In hindsight I was naive.
>> No. 96994 Anonymous
17th October 2022
Monday 1:45 pm
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Sorry for saying "effective" twice like that. Very sloppy.
>> No. 96995 Anonymous
17th October 2022
Monday 2:06 pm
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>>96993
I could really go for some Singapore style government right now. One big undemocratic government that'll sue you for libel if you say anything bad about them, with a weird system that throws a few best-loser opposition MPs in for show. Then I could live the dream, comfortably enjoying supporting a moral little opposition party with a nice guy who's intermittently asked for inoffensive comment when newsworthy things happen, but I'd not actually spend much time thinking about politics since it'd be as reliably uncontrollable as the weather.

Though I suppose we don't have any politicians good enough to play the part. Oh well then, mine's Singapore Noodles and a bottle of Tiger.
>> No. 96996 Anonymous
17th October 2022
Monday 2:10 pm
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Average polling over the past week or so would have the SNP as the official opposition.
>> No. 96997 Anonymous
17th October 2022
Monday 3:46 pm
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>> No. 96998 Anonymous
17th October 2022
Monday 3:49 pm
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>>96997

No... not anal!!

Now what do we do.
>> No. 96999 Anonymous
17th October 2022
Monday 3:49 pm
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>>96997

She won't be opening her pork market!
>> No. 97000 Anonymous
17th October 2022
Monday 3:49 pm
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>>96996
How are Labour polling in Scotchland? Still dead?
>> No. 97001 Anonymous
17th October 2022
Monday 4:53 pm
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>>96997
Apparently she's pulled a Boris-Bunk and gone to Ukraine. Look out Volodmyr.
>> No. 97002 Anonymous
17th October 2022
Monday 4:59 pm
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>>97001

She has turned up now, but she looks heavily sedated.
>> No. 97003 Anonymous
17th October 2022
Monday 6:18 pm
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>>6748

>mines Ralph Lauren and cost me around twenty quid from Debenhams
>> No. 97004 Anonymous
17th October 2022
Monday 6:20 pm
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>>97003

Sorry wrong thread.
>> No. 97005 Anonymous
17th October 2022
Monday 6:21 pm
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>>97004

Makes it so much funnier though, please nobody delete this.
>> No. 97006 Anonymous
17th October 2022
Monday 6:48 pm
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>>97001
We need to be nice to Ukraine now. We will soon be relying on them for international aid.
>> No. 97007 Anonymous
17th October 2022
Monday 8:12 pm
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>Jeremy Hunt has said he believes Liz Truss will still be prime minister at Christmas - despite five Conservative MPs already publicly calling for her to leave Number 10.

Any day now.

Everything she touches dies.
>> No. 97008 Anonymous
17th October 2022
Monday 8:20 pm
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>>97007

Jeremy Hunt is one of the best fall guys in the party. He knows what he's there to do. Take the heat off, then take the blame for the next guy, thus washing the blood off everyone's hands.

It gave Bozza an extra six months when he did it then. It won't buy the Conservatives long this time, but it might give Sunak or Wallace a fighting chance to avoid total wipeout at the inevitable election.
>> No. 97009 Anonymous
17th October 2022
Monday 8:56 pm
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>>97008

If they're going to throw Truss out, they need to do it soon. Two years with somebody else as PM could be just long enough for a critical mass of disgruntled Tory voters to forgive their party and at least make the Conservatives' defeat less damning at the next elections.
>> No. 97010 Anonymous
17th October 2022
Monday 9:06 pm
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>>97009

There will never be two years before the next election. No matter who the new leader is, they don't have a mandate at all. They need a mandate before they can effectively tell their party to sit down and shut the fuck up; otherwise they will always have backstabbers and plotters undermining them. It doesn't matter a bit that they have a massive commons majority, that commons majority still has to actually obey the leader and the whip or else the government can't function.

They will remain in denial, publicly at least, over this fact until it is absolutely unavoidable, but they all know it's true. The only ambition the Tories can realistically hope to achieve at this point is clawing their way into a position where their leader has a cat's hope in hell of not getting wiped out, and then pulling the trigger and hoping for the best. Otherwise, they will keep going around in circles like this until the country quite literally falls apart around them, leaving them with nothing to govern.

For the many flaws of our parliamentary structure, it is accidentally a very good homoeostatic self-balancing system.
>> No. 97011 Anonymous
17th October 2022
Monday 9:30 pm
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>>97009
But if they throw Truss out, there won't be an immediate new Prime Minister. There will be months of no government at all while they fight the leadership battle, same as last time. That will be very bad indeed. Obviously a general election could be arranged quickly enough that we could do it in a few weeks, and that would be better, but that's a whole new level of turkeys quite literally voting for Christmas, and politicians are not known for being the sort of people who torpedo their careers because it's the right thing to do.

There's still time for things to stop getting worse; the only bad thing Liz Truss has really done so far is pledge to obliterate the economy for no reason at all, and this is now steadily being undone by the forces of boring orthodoxy. The snap election will come, at some point in the next six months, but Boris Johnson rode out plenty of unsurvivable storms and Liz Truss definitely shagged him at some point so she's sure to try the same tactics.
>> No. 97012 Anonymous
17th October 2022
Monday 9:34 pm
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>>97011
>There's still time for things to stop getting worse

When you hit rock bottom the only way is up.
>> No. 97013 Anonymous
17th October 2022
Monday 9:43 pm
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>>97011

>But if they throw Truss out, there won't be an immediate new Prime Minister. There will be months of no government at all while they fight the leadership battle

It's not a battle they have to fight. If the parliamentary party come to a consensus on their choice for the next leader, they can effectively skip the election process and have a new leader within a couple of days. The problem right now is that they can't agree on who should replace Truss. Sunak is the obvious candidate, but he's deeply unpopular with a number of key factions.

Truss is as much symptom as cause. The Tory party has long been divided between the wets and drys, the libertarians and the one-nation Conservatives, but the 2019 election added a large faction of populists who are well to the left of the rest of the party on economic matters.

Procedurally it's easy to replace Truss, but choosing her replacement represents a battle for control over the future of the Conservative party. A lot of Tory MPs strongly believe that the party needs a safe pair of hands to get things back on track, but an equally large number think that returning to the status quo is untenable. A significant minority just want Boris back. Truss is going, but they aren't going to swing the axe until they know exactly who they're replacing her with, which isn't an easy question for the party to answer.
>> No. 97014 Anonymous
18th October 2022
Tuesday 2:39 pm
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Maybe they'll go the Michael Heseltine route and formally challenge Truss's leadership, like they did with Thatcher.

On the other hand, that isn't going to be painless. A much quicker way would be her entire cabinet resigning on her. But to save itself from unmitigatable turmoil, the Tories would secretly have to have an entire new cabinet at the ready for the moment that Truss draws the consequences and resigns.
>> No. 97015 Anonymous
18th October 2022
Tuesday 3:27 pm
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>>96261
This is a pretty hilarious survey.
>> No. 97016 Anonymous
18th October 2022
Tuesday 3:54 pm
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>>97015

Seems very much like the biggest problem for the Conservative party is their own membership. Ironic how it parallels what Labour went through when their membership held them at gunpoint to pick an actual lefty instead of another bland centrist automaton.

Do you reckon there is a single Tory member who doesn't live in a village with a miniature model of itself next to the local bowling green?
>> No. 97017 Anonymous
18th October 2022
Tuesday 4:14 pm
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>Ironic how it parallels what Labour went through when their membership held them at gunpoint to pick an actual lefty instead of another bland centrist automaton.

*Entryists.
>> No. 97018 Anonymous
18th October 2022
Tuesday 4:20 pm
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>>97016

Maybe Momentum should just split and form their own party like wot that Chuka Umunna chap did, and see how electable they are.
>> No. 97019 Anonymous
18th October 2022
Tuesday 5:36 pm
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>>97016
Well, not quite. Because of course Labour members have been entirely vindicated and Tory members would elect Melkor/Morgoth if he promised the protect the triple lock. Just a little bit of nuance it's important to keep in mind.
>> No. 97020 Anonymous
18th October 2022
Tuesday 5:45 pm
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>Because of course Labour members have been entirely vindicated
I'm sure you'll go down a treat on Live at the Apollo.
>> No. 97021 Anonymous
18th October 2022
Tuesday 5:53 pm
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>>97019
I don't get why people are so obsessed with the triple lock. We've got one of the worst state pensions in the developed world, with around one in five pensioners in poverty. The triple lock doesn't apply to the additional state pensions, so for most pensioners in this country it applies to a whopping £141.85 per week.

It's just a very lazy stick to beat pensioners with by angry young people.
>> No. 97022 Anonymous
18th October 2022
Tuesday 6:03 pm
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>>97021
>We've got one of the worst state pensions in the developed world
Not really.
https://theferret.scot/claim-uk-pension-worst-developed-world-half-true/

More importantly, it seems like a bit of a subsidy to elderly voters when people whose economic activity funds this do not get their own public assistance triple-locked. I can't see a logical reason beyond political bribery for state pensions being triple-locked but no other benefits. Pensioners will see their income meet inflation this year, while working-age recipients will see it actually fall as a result of a lack of inflation matching combined with the loss of the pandemic uplift.
>> No. 97023 Anonymous
18th October 2022
Tuesday 6:08 pm
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Nope.

Anyone over state pension age is guaranteed a minimum income of £182.60 per week through Pension Credit. Increasing the state pension is an incredibly poorly targeted intervention, because most of the money goes to people who aren't anywhere near the poverty line. Nearly all of the pensioners living in poverty aren't claiming the benefits that they're entitled to; if we actually cared about reducing pensioner poverty, we'd be working on that instead of pushing up the incomes of all pensioners.

Pensioners are less likely than working-age people to be living in poverty and much less likely than children. The triple lock is just an obviously inequitable policy that hands money to people who don't need it based on outdated stereotypes about who is in poverty.
>> No. 97024 Anonymous
18th October 2022
Tuesday 6:17 pm
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>>97022
That analysis seems very disingenuous. It acknowledges that we have one of the worst state pensions but that we're more reliant on private provision than other nations. That much is true, but talking about how many people are in a workplace pension scheme now is a load of misleading bollocks because auto-enrolment only started being phased in during the past decade, so it's completely irrelevant to most retirees who may not have had access to a workplace pension scheme.

We have massive disparities in the standard of living for pensioners and one of the main reasons for this is because of the variances in private provision, especially historically. Depriving those worst off because some people are more financially comfortable is a load of race to the bottom nonsense. Benefits being shit for others should not mean we make them worse for pensioners to level the playing field. I'd rather make benefits better than old people the boogeyman.
>> No. 97025 Anonymous
18th October 2022
Tuesday 7:00 pm
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>as a result of a lack of inflation matching
This is something that makes me very angry. I hope I haven't posted this exact rant in this thread already. There's a lot of talk about how benefits will only rise in line with earnings, rather than in line with inflation, and this is bad because it means benefits will go down in real terms. Because earnings are not rising anywhere near as much as inflation. But why aren't they? That's the whole selling point of the Conservative Party. Work should pay. And when inflation comes along and wages need to rise, suddenly the whole charade collapses and wages don't rise at all. Every sacrifice we have made in terms of less money for the NHS, less free stuff from Big Gubmint, worse schools and so on, are now being explicitly and inarguably revealed to have been all for naught. And yet this really isn't being made enough of. Our media is finally growing a spine against the government, yes, but it still feels like they're insisting the Emperor's new clothes are a fully normal outfit on this particular topic. Where's my fucking money, you twats?
>> No. 97026 Anonymous
18th October 2022
Tuesday 7:32 pm
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>>97025

>Because earnings are not rising anywhere near as much as inflation. But why aren't they?

Inflation is caused by a basic imbalance between the amount of money in the economy and the amount of stuff that people are spending it on. If there's too much money and not enough stuff, inflation goes up because of supply and demand - people are outbidding each other for a limited pool of stuff. This can be the result of monetary policy (i.e. the government printing loads of money), it can be caused by external factors (e.g. the price of imported goods going up), it can be caused by trade factors (e.g. the effective price of imports going up due to a weak currency) or it can be partly or wholly self-reinforcing (higher prices lead to higher wage demands which leads to higher prices). All of those factors are at play in the current situation.

Raising wages during times of high inflation doesn't necessarily help, because it can just push inflation up further. If everyone gets a 10% pay rise and prices go up by 10% next year, we're back to square one.

Throughout the late 1960s and 1970s, successive (and mostly Labour) governments tried to control inflation by restricting prices and wages. It might seem unbelievable today, but a Labour government established an agreement with the Trades Union Congress to set a maximum limit on pay increases.

Truss and Kwarteng's mini-budget was an insane act of economic self-harm, but we're dealing with some really difficult economic problems that are in many ways beyond the control of government. If we got a Labour government tomorrow, they'd still be faced with a lot of hard choices about the economy. They could tax people until the pips squeak, but borrowing really isn't an option due to high interest rates. That's partly the fault of the Truss government for undermining confidence in the British economy, but everyone is facing higher borrowing costs and we'd be in trouble regardless. There are no easy answers here.
>> No. 97027 Anonymous
19th October 2022
Wednesday 2:40 am
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>If everyone gets a 10% pay rise and prices go up by 10% next year, we're back to square one.
This is always the line, but I'm not sure it has ever actually played out this way. Even during the height of prices and incomes policy, inflation rarely outpaced wage growth. ( see the chart in >>96525 ) They're not unconnected, sure, but the simplistic example always downplays what workers stand to gain in what (from a certain angle) looks a lot like a conflict over the distribution of income. We assume, for example, that a 10% pay increase for workers must translate into a 10% increase in prices to pay for it - there's never any question of, say, finding that 10% by paying no dividends and ending share buyback programs. Nor do you see companies negotiating the pay increase away by offering workers shares rather than cash. (A stunt you'll see in tech startups and failing US airlines circa 1980-90, sure, but you don't see most normal employers doing it.) I'm not saying that's a brilliant idea mind you - workers could easily wind up worse off if rising interest rates kill the up-up-up trend of share prices - but it's telling that it goes undone, making sure you've always got a conflict of interest between workers and consumers, rather than between workers and owners.

That ends on a very Marxist sounding note, but I'm far too pessimistic to be so ideological about it. The idea it's a distributional conflict could be applied to any country as a basic thing economists generally don't care to consider, but in this country who'll win that conflict is never in doubt. To paraphrase the king of buggering up your prices and incomes policy: If I were a young man, I would emigrate...
>> No. 97028 Anonymous
19th October 2022
Wednesday 4:25 am
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In 1970, a dispute between workers and owners was legitimately a dispute between working-class people and the rich. In 2022, it's mostly a dispute between workers and the retired or soon-to-be retired. I know which side of that dispute I'm on, but I also know which side is likely to win.

UK pension funds hold about £2 trillion in assets and total pension wealth is about £6 trillion. The Bank of England's £65bn intervention in the gilts market was a very small bailout, relatively speaking. Even if you're with me in believing that pensioners can all fuck off, there's going to be an obvious impact on consumer spending if we crash the pension system. We may be able to squeeze some amount of wealth to prop up wages, but we don't have all that much room to manoeuvre without breaking something.
>> No. 97029 Anonymous
19th October 2022
Wednesday 4:35 pm
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Braverman's out. Absolutely mental stuff, it's politest coup I've ever seen. Not that I've seen many.
>> No. 97030 Anonymous
19th October 2022
Wednesday 4:41 pm
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>>97029
Jumped before the push.
>> No. 97031 Anonymous
19th October 2022
Wednesday 4:56 pm
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>>97030
I would disagree just because she doesn't appear to have the nous, but also this:
>Sources claimed the move was at the behest of the new chancellor, Jeremy Hunt, who has taken over control of the government’s economic response following Truss’s disastrous mini-budget, but who they claimed was now “pulling the strings”.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/oct/19/suella-braverman-departs-as-uk-home-secretary-liz-truss
>> No. 97032 Anonymous
19th October 2022
Wednesday 5:25 pm
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>>97029
Her resignation letter is great. "I'm afraid I must resign because I accidentally emailed someone from my personal email address. By the way, I also hate this government and want to get as far away from this sinking ship as I can." I think she used the wrong email account on purpose.
>> No. 97033 Anonymous
19th October 2022
Wednesday 5:46 pm
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>>97032

Bizarre.
>> No. 97034 Anonymous
19th October 2022
Wednesday 5:55 pm
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Broken Britain.
>> No. 97035 Anonymous
19th October 2022
Wednesday 5:59 pm
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Three Tory MPs (Skidmore, Crouch, Richardson) have said that they'll rebel over the fracking ODM. Potentially a lot more to come. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that Truss could lose her majority by 7pm.
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19th October 2022
Wednesday 6:12 pm
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>> No. 97037 Anonymous
19th October 2022
Wednesday 6:17 pm
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You know it's going wrong when Ian Blackford is the voice of reason.
>> No. 97038 Anonymous
19th October 2022
Wednesday 6:31 pm
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>>97037

He went in dry.
>> No. 97039 Anonymous
19th October 2022
Wednesday 6:45 pm
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Ed Miliband using the phrase "galaxy brain" in Parliament is a bit surreal.
>> No. 97040 Anonymous
19th October 2022
Wednesday 7:08 pm
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DIVISION!
>> No. 97041 Anonymous
19th October 2022
Wednesday 7:20 pm
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Apparently a fight has broken out in the no lobby. Reports that the Tory Chief Whip has resigned.
>> No. 97042 Anonymous
19th October 2022
Wednesday 7:28 pm
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>>97041
It's a complete shitshow. They're trying to force a three line whip to break one of the 2019 manifesto pledges.
>> No. 97043 Anonymous
19th October 2022
Wednesday 7:42 pm
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>>97042
This is absolutely apeshit. It can't possibly be allowed to persist.
>> No. 97044 Anonymous
19th October 2022
Wednesday 7:51 pm
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>>97043

The count for the no vote doesn't add up. Suggestions that either MPs were physically dragged through the lobby without swiping their card to vote, or some people went through the lobby twice.

Reports that the deputy whip has also resigned.
>> No. 97045 Anonymous
19th October 2022
Wednesday 7:51 pm
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>>97043

They need to take it out into Parliament Square and settle things like in that scene from Anchorman with the rival news crews.
>> No. 97046 Anonymous
19th October 2022
Wednesday 8:10 pm
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Charles Walker is close to tears. Absolutely raging.

https://twitter.com/DanJohnsonNews/status/1582808074875973633
>> No. 97047 Anonymous
19th October 2022
Wednesday 8:38 pm
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Craig Whittaker is fucking furious and doesn't give a fuck anymore!

https://twitter.com/breeallegretti/status/1582800335290404865
>> No. 97048 Anonymous
19th October 2022
Wednesday 8:56 pm
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19th October 2022
Wednesday 8:57 pm
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>> No. 97050 Anonymous
19th October 2022
Wednesday 9:12 pm
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>>97049

Strong, stable and covered in brown sauce. Bacon butties for PM.
>> No. 97051 Anonymous
19th October 2022
Wednesday 9:16 pm
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Chris Walker looks more upset than my mum when I got excluded from school, but he still can't stop doing the politician's thumb.
>> No. 97052 Anonymous
19th October 2022
Wednesday 9:50 pm
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>>97026

>Inflation is caused by a basic imbalance between the amount of money in the economy and the amount of stuff that people are spending it on.

The 1980s called, they want their economic theory back.
>> No. 97053 Anonymous
19th October 2022
Wednesday 9:54 pm
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>>97052

What are they going to do with it now?
>> No. 97054 Anonymous
19th October 2022
Wednesday 10:01 pm
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>>97052

99.9% of economists would concur with that basic description of inflation, whether they're Keynesian or monetarist. The only substantial camp who would disagree would be the MMT lot, but even they would agree that excessive money supply during full employment would be inflationary. My characterisation glosses over the distinction between money supply and the velocity of money, but that's not really relevant to the discussion at hand.

Unless you're willing to make a more substantial remark, I can't really decode what you believe changed in the 1990s to render the consensus theory of inflation obsolete.
>> No. 97055 Anonymous
19th October 2022
Wednesday 10:06 pm
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The whips have un-resigned.
>> No. 97056 Anonymous
19th October 2022
Wednesday 10:12 pm
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>>97054

As someone in the economics profession myself, I would say that the quantity theory of money you described has returned to the theoretical fringes, especially after the experience of the 2010s where we saw huge increases in the 'money supply' from QE fail to translate into decent inflation.

Any decent economist would just swap out the term 'money' for 'demand'.
>> No. 97057 Anonymous
19th October 2022
Wednesday 10:21 pm
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>>97055
Liz probably let them have a go in exchange for loyalty.
>> No. 97058 Anonymous
19th October 2022
Wednesday 11:06 pm
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To go back in the conversation slightly, I heard the analysis on the Almighty All Knowing Radio 4 about Hunt's policy reversals that reckons he trimmed down the shortfall in spending by something like 45 billion, but that leaves about another 20-30 billion to be paid for by cuts.

Not to beat the pension horse again, but it strikes me there there was a big, giant, elephant in the room of a policy that was supposed to cost around £20bn...
>> No. 97059 Anonymous
19th October 2022
Wednesday 11:36 pm
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>>97058

Hunt was looking to abandon the triple lock and had stated that it was on the table, but Truss blurted out that she was keeping it in PMQs. We could see several U-turns on that commitment by the end of the week, assuming that the government survives until then.
>> No. 97060 Anonymous
19th October 2022
Wednesday 11:38 pm
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I know I've been saying for a long time I can't see how they can still function, but this week is really taking the piss.

At least Bodger was mildly amusing while lying. This lot are just non functioning shite.
>> No. 97061 Anonymous
20th October 2022
Thursday 12:01 am
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>>97057

Bribing a Tory MP with the offer of a go on Liz Truss would be like bribing a jockey with the offer of a ride on a horse.
>> No. 97062 Anonymous
20th October 2022
Thursday 12:38 am
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>>97060
Everyone on TV has been saying this is it for Liz Truss, which means she will stay in power for a couple more days, I will come here and say, "Told you she'd survive", and then she will resign within 20 minutes of me posting that.

Currently, and for the next 48 hours, I expect her to survive.
>> No. 97063 Anonymous
20th October 2022
Thursday 5:51 am
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>>97056
Surely that's quite easy to explain by the new money only going into bidding up shares and bidding up house prices and all those other nice reliable returns that are only open to you if you've got fair sums of money to throw around, conveniently meaning that none of it went to the people who have to work to eat (it'd be a disaster if they got more money)
>> No. 97064 Anonymous
20th October 2022
Thursday 7:22 am
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>>97062
She wants to outlast the lettuce.
>> No. 97065 Anonymous
20th October 2022
Thursday 8:27 am
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The confidence vote that wasn't a confidence vote was in fact a confidence vote.
>> No. 97066 Anonymous
20th October 2022
Thursday 8:59 am
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Liz must have a proper nippy bumhole after yesterday's vote.
>> No. 97067 Anonymous
20th October 2022
Thursday 9:19 am
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>>97064

I am starting to wonder how long she will be able to Romaine in office...
>> No. 97068 Anonymous
20th October 2022
Thursday 11:15 am
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>> No. 97069 Anonymous
20th October 2022
Thursday 12:14 pm
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>>97067
Get out.
>> No. 97070 Anonymous
20th October 2022
Thursday 12:19 pm
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Graham Brady is at 10 Downing Street...
>> No. 97071 Anonymous
20th October 2022
Thursday 12:26 pm
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I think she's holding on just to out live te lettuce at this rate.
>> No. 97072 Anonymous
20th October 2022
Thursday 12:52 pm
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>>97071

There's probably a joke about clinging to or being sunk by icebergs in there somewhere. What other sorts of berg are there anyway?
>> No. 97073 Anonymous
20th October 2022
Thursday 1:10 pm
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A lot of comings and goings through Liz Truss's back door. Graham Brady has been in there for over an hour, now joined by Jake Berry. Will this come to a climax soon?
>> No. 97074 Anonymous
20th October 2022
Thursday 1:29 pm
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The lectern is out on Downing Street.
>> No. 97075 Anonymous
20th October 2022
Thursday 1:30 pm
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>>97074
This is all mental.

Quite looking forward to the general election now.
>> No. 97076 Anonymous
20th October 2022
Thursday 1:33 pm
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Nailed it.
>> No. 97077 Anonymous
20th October 2022
Thursday 1:34 pm
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Husband's there, she's gone.
>> No. 97078 Anonymous
20th October 2022
Thursday 1:36 pm
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VICTORY FOR THE LETTUCE!
>> No. 97079 Anonymous
20th October 2022
Thursday 1:36 pm
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GONE

And a leadership election in a week? Must be a stitch up.
>> No. 97080 Anonymous
20th October 2022
Thursday 1:36 pm
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She's gone. Leadership election that will take a week.
>> No. 97081 Anonymous
20th October 2022
Thursday 1:37 pm
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sm-RE95lKJ0
>> No. 97082 Anonymous
20th October 2022
Thursday 1:38 pm
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20th October 2022
Thursday 1:40 pm
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>> No. 97084 Anonymous
20th October 2022
Thursday 1:42 pm
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I'm calling this The Year of the Five Chancellors, on the assumption we'll have another next week.
>> No. 97085 Anonymous
20th October 2022
Thursday 1:52 pm
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Best PM we ever had. Came in, "achieved" nothing, lost all support, went away. No lasting policy changes, no new wars, no weird confusing corruption scandals where everyone involved with gets off scot-free. Just sat in the flat and then vacated it.
>> No. 97086 Anonymous
20th October 2022
Thursday 2:01 pm
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>>97085

Tell that to my mortgage, m8.
>> No. 97087 Anonymous
20th October 2022
Thursday 2:04 pm
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Now cracks a noble arse. Good-night, sweet cheeks;
and flights of anuses sing thee to thy rest.
>> No. 97088 Anonymous
20th October 2022
Thursday 2:09 pm
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I want every future candidate for PM to complete the online BDSM test.
>> No. 97089 Anonymous
20th October 2022
Thursday 2:11 pm
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>>97086
I admire your optimism more than I resent your having one if you think it's going to improve under her successor.
>> No. 97090 Anonymous
20th October 2022
Thursday 2:11 pm
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Don't be sad because she's gone. Smile because she happened.
>> No. 97091 Anonymous
20th October 2022
Thursday 2:12 pm
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We're going to end up with Bojo back aren't we?
>> No. 97092 Anonymous
20th October 2022
Thursday 2:12 pm
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>>97086
That was her true fuck up.

You can cut people's benefits and retain enough popular support. You can make cuts to public services and still retain enough popular support. The moment you jeopardise people being able to get a mortgage or see the cost of owning a home going up you have fucked it all away.

I've got 1.59% fixed for another three years. Sucks to be you.
>> No. 97093 Anonymous
20th October 2022
Thursday 2:32 pm
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It's official. 44 days is the shortest tenure ever of a British Prime Minister. A new record.

We truly live in wondrous times.
>> No. 97094 Anonymous
20th October 2022
Thursday 2:41 pm
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How long was the leadership battle? We might have spent more time with nobody as Prime Minister than we did with Liz Truss.
>> No. 97095 Anonymous
20th October 2022
Thursday 2:56 pm
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>>97091
BRING BACK BORIS

I just want to watch the world burn.
>> No. 97096 Anonymous
20th October 2022
Thursday 2:59 pm
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>>97094
Wiki says 13th July to 5th September.
>> No. 97097 Anonymous
20th October 2022
Thursday 3:08 pm
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So how are they going to pick the new PM in 1 week?

Simple majority of Tory MPs?
>> No. 97098 Anonymous
20th October 2022
Thursday 3:09 pm
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>>97095

New elections, innit.
>> No. 97099 Anonymous
20th October 2022
Thursday 3:12 pm
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>>97097
if they can all agree on one Candiate, otherwise the most popular two have to compete in a game of Fun House.
>> No. 97100 Anonymous
20th October 2022
Thursday 3:14 pm
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>>97099

How many Tory candida are there?
>> No. 97101 Anonymous
20th October 2022
Thursday 3:21 pm
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>>97100
You'd have to be really thick to go for it. I'm not sure there's another Liz Truss out there.

The Times are reporting Boris Johnson will be standing as he sees it as being in the national interest.
>> No. 97102 Anonymous
20th October 2022
Thursday 3:30 pm
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>>97091
Not right away. First, we need to install Penny Mordaunt and all speculate on her own likelihood of anal prolapse. That's the good bit, as you will be tired from all the wanking and I'll be able to loot your home relatively easily in the upcoming food riots. Then we'll get Rishi Sunak, and everyone will eat enough to survive from the fabulous cornucopia of rationed gruel while we capably afford newspapers which tell us how rich we are to have such opulent blankets as the Daily Express for our new home on the recently privatised park bench. Finally, then and only then will we get Boris back, and he will take credit for the fact it'll be spring by then and we can argue over that instead.
>> No. 97103 Anonymous
20th October 2022
Thursday 3:44 pm
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>Daily Star lettuce celebrates victory as Prime Minister Liz Truss resigns

>Prime Minister Liz Truss has resigned, making her the shortest-serving PM in British history and meaning that the Daily Star's very own 60p lettuce managed to outlast her tenure

Let's make that lettuce Prime Minister then. Can't be worse than ARE Liz.
>> No. 97104 Anonymous
20th October 2022
Thursday 4:21 pm
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Not to trying and steal the lettuce's glory but I've had some unopened oat milk in my fridge since just prior to Truss's prime ministership.
>> No. 97105 Anonymous
20th October 2022
Thursday 8:40 pm
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Apparently candidates will need nominations from at least 100 MPs to be in the final vote, making three the maximum on the ballot.

According to Guido (I know) almost a quarter of MPs have currently declared; 40 for Bozza, 29 for Rishi and 14 for Penny.
>> No. 97106 Anonymous
20th October 2022
Thursday 8:55 pm
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>>97105

Honestly, why not Bozza. The Tories need somebody who doesn't give a fuck if he loses the next election in two years time. He's already resigned once; it's not going to dash his political aspirations if he gets voted out. There's no real risk for him.

And on the absolute off chance that Boris comes back and wins the next election after all, it'll be popcorn time because you'll never see Labour as bumhurt again.
>> No. 97107 Anonymous
20th October 2022
Thursday 9:20 pm
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>>97106

Sixty MPs resigned to get rid of Johnson. Plenty of others were sacked. They'll be looking for any opportunity to stick the knife in. Add in the pending privileges committee investigation and the (fairly high) chance that Johnson will get embroiled in yet another scandal and there's a real chance that he won't make it to 2022.

It's also a massive humiliation. They got rid of Johnson because he wasn't good enough to lead the party, so what does bringing him back say? That they don't have anyone who is good enough.

Rishi is the obvious choice for leader, because he's stable enough to actually make it to the next election and savvy enough to put up a decent fight. The fact that he isn't the obvious choice to many Tory MPs and members is a sign of the sad decline of one of the world's oldest political parties. The Conservative Party is rotten to the core and all this turmoil is just a symptom of that rot.
>> No. 97108 Anonymous
20th October 2022
Thursday 9:27 pm
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>>97107

> so what does bringing him back say? That they don't have anyone who is good enough.

In other words, stating the glaringly obvious.

If there's no new election now, it'll be a shit show either way, regardless of who the Tories end up limping home to the barn with as their next PM.

On the other hand, agreeing to new elections would be the proverbial suicide for fear of death.
>> No. 97109 Anonymous
20th October 2022
Thursday 9:28 pm
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>>97106

If it is Bozza again, there'll be an election by next week, nevermind two years time.

Lots of Tories support Boris, he has a big populist faction and most of the 2019 intake see him as the very reason they have their job. But the other half of the party see him as an embarrassment, an affront to their dignity. If there's one thing you could do to get them to rebel, it's putting the guy who more or less caused this entire mess back in charge.

Don't underestimate the factional warfare at work here. The Tories are traditionally very good at maintaining unity, but when they fall out, it puts GRR Martin to shame.

Even the ones who do support him must know (unless they really are dense) that it's pretty much a no win, and that the sentiment against them from partygate is still strong enough to risk losing their seats, it's just a rock and a hard place for them when the only other viable alternative is a laplander. It will be fucking hilarious though that mushc is true. Watching them bounce clean off the Iceburg Lady and directly back to the Partygate PM again.

I'm going to put my money where my mouth is here though and call there's going to be an election before the year is up. Bet you all a tenner. I've been right about all the rest of it. My reasoning in this is that I've seen articles in the Murdoch press supportive of an election, and that man is more effective at regime change than the CIA.
>> No. 97110 Anonymous
20th October 2022
Thursday 9:36 pm
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>>97109
>If there's one thing you could do to get them to rebel, it's putting the guy who more or less caused this entire mess back in charge

Brexit caused this mess. Johnson is simply a symptom of it. The lunatics took over the asylum.
>> No. 97111 Anonymous
20th October 2022
Thursday 9:51 pm
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>>97110

Well, yes, but I'm talking the more immediate term. Roughly the order is:

Becoming neo-liberal and leaning on mass immigration to break the back of the unions and the labour market generally > Years of propaganda blaming the mass migration they started, and the benefits dependants that resulted, on Labour to (successfully) unseat the Blair government > UKIP threatening to split their vote > Cameron promises Brexit vote as what he thinks is a safe gambit > It wasn't, we get the successive calamities of May and Johnson > Partygate (by way of the Owen Patterson scandal) > Truss > This.

One thing that strikes me is how this man's shadow has been there, looming behind all the major events of the last five or six years. He is the architect of the Conservative party's downfall. Is he a secret turbo-anarchist Marxist-Leninist, playing the ultimate long game? Is he simply an agent of chaos? Or does he merely desire the Iron Throne for himself?
>> No. 97112 Anonymous
20th October 2022
Thursday 9:52 pm
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>>97109
> Bet you all a tenner.

Totally with you on that side of the bet - we'll have an election before the end of the year, it is just obvious.
>> No. 97113 Anonymous
20th October 2022
Thursday 10:07 pm
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>>97110

>Brexit caused this mess.

This is too often overlooked.

We'd probably be in a whole different parallel universe if ARE Piglover hadn't done the referendum. For which there was never any desperate political need, it was just one man's hubris in going all in and overplaying his hand.

It was all downhill from there.
>> No. 97114 Anonymous
20th October 2022
Thursday 10:42 pm
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>>97106
The problem with Bozza is that, as we've seen, he only wants his name on the door. He wants to be PM, but he doesn't really want to be PM.

We saw this in his time at City Hall. He wanted to be Mayor of London for the sake of having a title that meant he was in charge of things. His administration wasn't the worst that had ever been. The structure of the top team at the GLA is rather different from in Parliament, so his underlings were not politicians but managers. This meant he could delegate effectively and the team around him would do the job of running the city. He wanted the attention, the adulation and the credit, but got forbid he should have to actually do any fucking work, so having competent people such that he could delegate everything was useful.

He took the same approach as PM. Unfortunately, because Tories gonna Tory, his Parliamentary party was split into three groups: sycophants, wannabes, and haters. The haters didn't like him, but then he didn't particularly like haters, so that worked out just fine - he could pick off a couple with plum jobs if it would shut them up, and with his polling numbers he could just purge anyone that got out of line. The sycophants would happily nosh him off (proverbially except for Nadine), but they were mostly useless at the actual job, and would sometimes put their loyalty to him ahead of things like the legal limits of their powers (I'm looking at you, Barclay). The wannabes were often competent but also ambitious, and their service depended on his value to them. They might cause minor "problems" that they could step in and "fix" for a bit of political capital, and when he was no longer of use to them they'd knife him.

Like a lot of narcissists, he doesn't really want the power, and he certainly doesn't want the responsibility that comes with it. He just wants the trappings of power. He just wants to be able to say that he had the button on his desk, even if he had no intention to ever have to be in a position where he has to consider pressing it. Yes, I know it's not a literal button. Though knowing him he probably had a button fitted for show, like Trump's Coke button.
>> No. 97115 Anonymous
20th October 2022
Thursday 11:23 pm
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>> No. 97116 Anonymous
20th October 2022
Thursday 11:38 pm
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>>97113

>We'd probably be in a whole different parallel universe if ARE Piglover hadn't done the referendum. For which there was never any desperate political need, it was just one man's hubris in going all in and overplaying his hand.

But as alluded to above, there was political need. Maybe they could have kicked the can down the road for another few years, but eventually all that EDL send 'em back sentiment they had spent years stoking was going to come back around and bite them in the arse.

They had to put that genie back in the bottle, and failed. They released the hounds to chase off their enemies, when their own kegs were full of pedigree chum too. They pissed on their own chips. They shagged their own sheep. They shat on their own umbarella. You get what I'm saying.
>> No. 97117 Anonymous
21st October 2022
Friday 12:45 am
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>>97115
Liz Truss was Prime Minister for 45 days. The parliamentary summer recess, when everyone went on summer holiday and there wasn't really any government at all technically, ran from the 22nd of July to the 5th of September: exactly 45 days as well. Considering the other parliamentary recesses, we've had more days this year with nobody in charge than we had with Liz Truss in charge.

She also spent more time campaigning to be Prime Minister than she spent actually being Prime Minister.
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21st October 2022
Friday 1:27 am
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>>97117
Starting Friday, she has 9 days to surpass the length of her leadership campaign. The timetable Brady laid out is 8 days, and they're hoping they won't need that long.

This whole exercise has just been embarrassing.
>> No. 97119 Anonymous
21st October 2022
Friday 1:40 am
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>>97118

In any case, nobody's going to take the record from her. George Canning with his 119 days is still light years away. ARE Liz would somehow have to stay in power as outgoing prime minister for another 74 days.
>> No. 97120 Anonymous
21st October 2022
Friday 4:09 am
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>>97119

Liz Truss: worse than tuberculosis.
>> No. 97121 Anonymous
21st October 2022
Friday 5:16 am
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>>97113
I think we'd be in more similar circumstances than you'd think. It's not too hard to imagine a time where Cameron steps down in 2019 and ("shockingly!") Osborne loses the leadership contest to Johnson, who goes on to trash Corbyn in 2020. Brexit didn't cause Coronavirus and it didn't cause the war in Ukraine, so those would play out relatively similarly. Then it's not too big a jump to where we are now.

Underlying it all is the fact that both parties and policy have been rotting away for a long time. Blaming it on Thatcher's orgy of national vandalism is boring, so let's look at parties: In the medium-term I'd blame Cameron and Blair(+Brown) and their control freakery as a much more likely, but less exciting cause of our constant crises. In Labour's case, "not fit to be a future leader" was practically the selection criteria for new MPs, since Blair didn't want a second challenger and Brown didn't want anyone stealing his birthright - both just wanted factional yes-men.
Then with the Tories, never forget that Cameron put Truss on the Conservative party's A-List of candidates despite the fact she's always been woeful. In both cases you can see party heads leaning on local selection procedures to pick people on grounds other than not being completely useless. (Probably with a side of only the completely useless applying - what talented person wants to be lobby fodder for a centralised party machine churning out awful policy and demanding they babble about "hardworking families" on Newsnight?)
>> No. 97122 Anonymous
21st October 2022
Friday 5:22 am
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>>97119
Oh, we know Canning's losing his title. It's just a matter of whether Truss merely takes the record or also suffers the indignity of not even being in the job longer than it took her to get the job.

We could do with a sort of inverse Duke Nukem List, giving examples of thing that lasted longer than the Liz Truss premiership. Today she surpasses David Blaine's Above the Below.

The thing is, short political careers and tenures are generally funny. Like The Mooch being fired less than two weeks after being hired, a couple of days before his actual start date. Or Australian rugby league legend (and now national team coach) Mal Meninga, who went on local radio to launch his campaign and abandoned it 21 seconds into the interview. What's funny about Truss? Not much, really.
>> No. 97123 Anonymous
21st October 2022
Friday 5:34 am
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>>97122

>thing that lasted longer than the Liz Truss premiership

The first national lockdown. Chris Evans on Top Gear. A wasp.
>> No. 97124 Anonymous
21st October 2022
Friday 8:22 am
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MPs are being warned not to support Mordaunt because of her views on trans rights. If they elect her it means they'd have to come up with something more substantial than "Starmer can't define what a woman is" when attacking Labour.
>> No. 97125 Anonymous
21st October 2022
Friday 9:03 am
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>>97124

That's weird. Playing up idpol to watch the left squirm with the inability to call it bullshit is the entire reason they have been in power this long. "Starmer can't define what a woman is" would actually work.
>> No. 97126 Anonymous
21st October 2022
Friday 9:26 am
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>>97125
Not if Penny Mordaunt can't say what a woman is either. She's very progressive on such things by Conservative standards. Probably because she has big hulking man shoulders herself.
>> No. 97127 Anonymous
21st October 2022
Friday 9:59 am
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>>97126

Oh, I was assuming it's because she's one of those neurotic TE-RFs who would make security guards in women's toilets a flagship policy.
>> No. 97128 Anonymous
21st October 2022
Friday 10:01 am
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>>97122
I liked this graph which I stole from elsewhere - it clearly shows the trend on length of service. Whoever gets the job next wil have it for a couple of days and then we'll be down to short durations of a few seconds.
>> No. 97129 Anonymous
21st October 2022
Friday 10:50 am
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>>97128
Perfect for the TikTik age!

>>97127
The ability to perceive reality has never been so controversial it seems.
>> No. 97130 Anonymous
21st October 2022
Friday 11:19 am
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>>97129

There's a difference between recognising the reality that ECKYs aren't real women, and being a Youtuber Exclusionary Radical Fisherperson. It's one of those things where it's not "muh both sides" to realise both sides are just as mental as each other, because both sides really are as mental as each other.

Which would you rather be, transphobic or a misogynist? I counter that question by proudly being both.
>> No. 97131 Anonymous
21st October 2022
Friday 12:16 pm
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>>97128

I'm not sure why an exponential regression graph was chosen for this diagram; a linear regression model probably would have given a much better correlation coefficient, especially when you look at BoJo's data point and its deviation from the curve.


>>97130

>Which would you rather be, transphobic or a misogynist? I counter that question by proudly being both.

Even if you don't boast it actively, there's a good chance that somebody who makes even slightly controversial remarks on the issues will be branded as one of them, possibly both.
>> No. 97132 Anonymous
21st October 2022
Friday 12:40 pm
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I don't think Mordaunt will reach the threshold.
>> No. 97133 Anonymous
21st October 2022
Friday 1:19 pm
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>Calls for Liz Truss not to take yearly £115,000 as ex-prime minister

>Sir Keir Starmer has called on Liz Truss not to claim an allowance of up to £115,000 a year that she would be entitled to after resigning as PM.

>Liz Truss announced her resignation from the lectern outside No 10 on Thursday after just 44 days in the job.

>It means she will now be able to claim the Public Duty Costs Allowance (PDCA), currently set at £115,000, which all former prime ministers are entitled to.


In all fairness, that money cannot be used to cover personal living expenses, it's meant for expenses that occur in connection with a former PM's fulfillment of their remaining political duties.

I can't imagine Truss keeping any political duties at all after her demise. Who's going to come to her speaking engagements. So the cost to the taxpayer will be negligible either way. Other than that, she still has her MP salary which she is going to keep no matter how shit she has been as Prime Minister.

And Ed Davey is also off by a mile in comparing it to the average person having to work 35 years to get a full state pension. This isn't a pension; Truss wouldn't even be able to pay for her weekly grocery shopping with it.
>> No. 97134 Anonymous
21st October 2022
Friday 1:34 pm
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>>97133
She'll be on Have I Got News For You in six months, Celebrity Bake Off in three years and be completely rehabilitated as an example of iron grit in the face of impossible odds before the 2030s have begun. Either that or she'll awkwardly haunt the dark money think tanks that spawned her, whilst everyone around her pretends she isn't a human totem to the complete and total intellectual bankruptcy of their entire "free market" ideology.
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21st October 2022
Friday 1:35 pm
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>>97133

>In all fairness

I don't think the leader of the opposition is particularly interested in fairness at this particular moment in time, nor should he be. Just making the government look as shameless as possible.
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21st October 2022
Friday 1:37 pm
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>>97134

I'm sure she'll do well on Strictly Come Dancing.
>> No. 97137 Anonymous
21st October 2022
Friday 1:39 pm
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>>97136
Oh god you're right. That or IACGMOH.
>> No. 97138 Anonymous
21st October 2022
Friday 1:41 pm
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>>97133
>And Ed Davey is also off by a mile in comparing it to the average person having to work 35 years to get a full state pension. This isn't a pension; Truss wouldn't even be able to pay for her weekly grocery shopping with it.

MPs pensions are extremely generous as it is anyway. An accrual rate of 1/50th of their final salary as the minimum, with the basic salary being over £84k, means that if you serve one five year term you'll be getting a tenth of that every year in retirement.
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21st October 2022
Friday 1:41 pm
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>>97136

https://www.mylondon.news/news/tv/bbc-strictly-come-dancing-viewers-25316735

>BBC Strictly Come Dancing viewers 'can't wait' for Liz Truss to take part as they call for her to be on the show


I can hardly contain my indifference.
>> No. 97140 Anonymous
21st October 2022
Friday 1:53 pm
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October 2022: Boris Johnson re-elected as leader of the Conservative party
November 2022: Boris Johnson investigated by Privileges Committee for misleading parliament
December 2022: Boris Johnson suspended for contempt of parliament
January 2023: Penny Mordaunt elected as leader of the Conservative party
February 2023: Penny Mordaunt resigns after disastrous naval assault on Buenos Aires
March 2023: Boris Johnson re-re-elected as leader of the Conservative party
>> No. 97141 Anonymous
21st October 2022
Friday 2:06 pm
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>>97138
It would be interesting to know what the pensions bill is for ex-Parliamentarians.
>> No. 97142 Anonymous
21st October 2022
Friday 2:44 pm
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>> No. 97143 Anonymous
21st October 2022
Friday 2:47 pm
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>>97142

Conservative MPs will never agree to new elections with polls this bad. Knowing that they'd pretty much be signing away their own seat.
>> No. 97144 Anonymous
21st October 2022
Friday 2:54 pm
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>>97143
I'm a little disappointed Truss didn't embrace chaos and call a snap election when it was clear her party was turning on her.
Then again, I'm disappointed Boris didn't do the same. Maybe I should stop wanting politicians to do anything fun when their job description clearly requires a motivated individual capable of completing diverse tasks without managerial oversight and passionate about discovering the most boring ways possible of immiserating millions of people.
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21st October 2022
Friday 3:19 pm
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>>97143

Of course they won't agree to it, but it cannot be stated strongly enough, that they simply will not have a choice. By the looks of it the party itself might well be torn in two if Bozza comes back, and it wouldn't be beneath MPs who know they're about to lose their jobs either way to scuttle his ship.
>> No. 97146 Anonymous
21st October 2022
Friday 3:23 pm
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>>97145
That might be the best scenario now - Bozza comes back for a couple of weeks and then loses a VONC and/or gets sanctioned by the standards committee for misleading parliament. There are probably enough people who hate him in the Tories to make the Vote Of No Confidence very close indeed.
>> No. 97147 Anonymous
21st October 2022
Friday 3:28 pm
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If, say, 150 Conservative MPs all defected to Labour, could Labour take power without an election? Or would King Charles not be allowed to invite Steer Karma to form a government while the existing Prime Minister was still running a minority government? Or would there be even more ridiculous constitutional shenanigans than that?
>> No. 97148 Anonymous
21st October 2022
Friday 3:40 pm
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>>97147
Fuck knows. Pie eating contest? I hope not, I can't see Starmer coming out on top.
>> No. 97149 Anonymous
21st October 2022
Friday 3:46 pm
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>>97147

>If, say, 150 Conservative MPs all defected to Labour, could Labour take power without an election?

Yes. The constitutional status of the office of Prime Minister is entirely unwritten; their status as first-among-equals derives from their ability to command the confidence of parliament. In such a scenario, the Labour party whips would effectively control the business of the house and the Tories would no longer have the ability to pass legislation. The leader of any party holding a parliamentary majority should expect to receive permission to form a government, regardless of how it obtained that majority.
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21st October 2022
Friday 3:47 pm
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>>97147
I don't think the king would send for Starmer immediately after everyone swapped, but if the government loses a confidence vote I think it's possible to form a new government without calling a general election, although the choice of whether to call an election or suggest the king send for someone else might rest with the outgoing PM.
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21st October 2022
Friday 3:51 pm
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>>97147

I'd imagine Prime Minister Johnson, ever the political loose cannon, will pre-empt such a move by defecting first. What would happen then? Is there protocol for the Prime Minister defecting to his own opposition?
>> No. 97152 Anonymous
21st October 2022
Friday 4:35 pm
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>>97151

If he does, I hope he is appointed to the Ministry of Silly Hair.
>> No. 97153 Anonymous
21st October 2022
Friday 6:07 pm
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>>97151

>What would happen then?

I'm pretty sure he'd be refused membership of the Labour party.
>> No. 97154 Anonymous
21st October 2022
Friday 6:30 pm
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I have a slight hope that Bodger won't be PM again.
Surely they can not be THAT insane.
>> No. 97155 Anonymous
21st October 2022
Friday 6:56 pm
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>> No. 97156 Anonymous
21st October 2022
Friday 7:07 pm
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>>97155

See. What'd I tell you. This man absolutely will not stop until the Conservative party lies in tatters.

He's the hero we need, but not the hero we deserve.
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21st October 2022
Friday 7:10 pm
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Feels like we've got a bunch of sycophants angling for cabinet positions.

Anyway, it'll be hilarious is Bozza doesn't actually stand in the contest. Mordaunt's the only one to officially confirm it so far.
>> No. 97158 Anonymous
21st October 2022
Friday 8:25 pm
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Absolutely fucking mental.

https://twitter.com/Bren4Bassetlaw/status/1583487632792686592
>> No. 97159 Anonymous
21st October 2022
Friday 8:27 pm
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>>97158

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2022/10/21/britons-more-likely-see-sunak-good-pm-johnson-or-m
>> No. 97160 Anonymous
21st October 2022
Friday 9:00 pm
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Mordaunt is going to win.

She will then call an election and lose and cleanse the party of its cancer. She will win because the other two will want to fuck with Jeremy Hunts economic plan and delay it further, are both known quantities and are fucking numpties. She is the unity candidate.

Also, she is hottest in a swimsuit and isn't afraid of diving.
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21st October 2022
Friday 9:01 pm
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>>97159

The really disturbing thing is that one-third of all people still think Bozza would do a good job. Imagine how high that number would be if you only asked Tory supporters/voters.
>> No. 97162 Anonymous
21st October 2022
Friday 9:06 pm
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>>97160

>She will then call an election and lose and cleanse the party of its cancer. She will win because the other two will want to fuck with Jeremy Hunts economic plan and delay it further, are both known quantities and are fucking numpties. She is the unity candidate.

It's so bonkers, it just might work.


>Also, she is hottest in a swimsuit

When put between the other contenders, maybe. But that isn't saying much. Do you really want to see BoJo in a swimsuit.
>> No. 97163 Anonymous
21st October 2022
Friday 9:22 pm
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I desperately want someone to do a poll:

>In hindsight, could Jeremy Corbyn actually have been worse?

If any of you have connections to YouGov or whatever, can you please make it happen?
>> No. 97164 Anonymous
21st October 2022
Friday 10:36 pm
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>>97160
> cleanse the party of its cancer

I endorse this plan!

We have to find a way to get Penny in - she will win Portsmouth North any day of the week, Boris will lose his seat any old way anyway plus Rishi Rich is too rich to be PM and, he is partly responsible for the mess. It has to be Penny and she will then clean out the dross. Think of the possibilities if she called an election now!
>> No. 97165 Anonymous
22nd October 2022
Saturday 4:29 pm
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I bet Liz Truss' dad feels pretty smug right now.
>> No. 97166 Anonymous
22nd October 2022
Saturday 8:40 pm
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Bozza camp claims he has over 100 in support.
Unnamed red wall Con tells tales of him having nowhere near 100 and begging people on the phone.
>> No. 97167 Anonymous
22nd October 2022
Saturday 9:56 pm
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Fucking hell, even the comments section in The Mail has had enough.
>> No. 97168 Anonymous
22nd October 2022
Saturday 11:01 pm
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I'm endlessly fascinated by the way in which I find myself sympathetic to Johnson. For once, the press and the parties have found they're capable of seeing how incompetent a politician is and are treating him with the contempt he deserves. Yet instead of being happy, I find myself taking his side since it feels like he's being singled out unfairly.
(Well, doubled out if you count Truss, but that's another story. A very short one.)
>> No. 97169 Anonymous
23rd October 2022
Sunday 7:00 am
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>>97167
They've been calling for a general election ever since Truss fucked up the markets.

You've also got to remember that Mail Online is full of Russian trolls and Johnson has been one of Ukraine's biggest supporters since the invasion.
>> No. 97170 Anonymous
23rd October 2022
Sunday 8:29 am
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Sunak on 121. Johnson on 56. Mordaunt on 24.

https://conservativehome.com/2022/10/22/next-tory-leader-which-mp-is-backing-whom-sunak-in-front-johnson-a-close-second-with-mordaunt-a-distant-third/

Apparently Johnson and Sunak were talking for hours last night and it sounds like Johnson is looking to create some form of pact.

If Johnson does become PM again then he could be out by Christmas due to the Party gate enquiry.

https://www.itv.com/news/2022-10-21/damning-partygate-evidence-means-boris-johnson-could-be-gone-by-christmas

The Mail on Sunday have got Deltapoll to do some fieldwork. If there was a general election today there would be a 320 seat majority for Labour, but if Johnson was PM the lead would be cut to 10 points and a 26 seat majority.
>> No. 97171 Anonymous
23rd October 2022
Sunday 12:47 pm
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>>97170
Mordaunt must realise at this point she has no hope.
>> No. 97172 Anonymous
23rd October 2022
Sunday 2:05 pm
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A familiar story seems to be that MP's who support Sunak think bodger is a great guy, but also should be nowhere near the job.
>> No. 97173 Anonymous
23rd October 2022
Sunday 9:16 pm
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Bojo has announced he isn't running.

Pm Sunak it is then, unless everyone rushes to Penny.
>> No. 97174 Anonymous
23rd October 2022
Sunday 9:16 pm
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Johnson's out, though he claims to have had 102 nominations.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-63327087
>> No. 97175 Anonymous
23rd October 2022
Sunday 9:23 pm
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This is some sort of scheme no doubt.
>> No. 97176 Anonymous
23rd October 2022
Sunday 9:46 pm
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It took thirty seconds from it being announced for me to get extremely tired of "pulling out" jokes.
>> No. 97177 Anonymous
23rd October 2022
Sunday 9:56 pm
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>>97175
He can sense which way the wind is blowing. He doesn't want to be remembered as a PM who lost a general election. Plus there's no guarantee he'd actually win the contest, or even got enough nominations, particularly as some Tory MPs have said they'd quit and stand as independents if he won.
>> No. 97178 Anonymous
23rd October 2022
Sunday 9:58 pm
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I don't know whether I'm annoyed, or very fucking relieved, that Bozzer has pulled out. On the one hand he's a walking disaster and we're already being made to look like a laughing stock on the world stage right now. But on the other hand, he's exactly the kind of accelerate I was hoping for to ensure the downfall of the Tories for the better part of the next decade at least.

Sunak is an unknown quantity. Everyone in the typical conservative base has a reason to dislike him, from being the one who shook the magic money tree until its branches were bare during the 'rona, to his dodgy tax status, to the colour of his skin. But he is a very slick operator. In the dire, desperate straits we're in now, I have bad feeling everyone will mistake his smooth talking, his youthful good looks, and just general good presentation for actual talent, and warm up to him.

What are the polls saying, poll lad? How much do people hate the idea of PM Sunak?
>> No. 97179 Anonymous
23rd October 2022
Sunday 10:01 pm
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>>97178

>What are the polls saying, poll lad? How much do people hate the idea of PM Sunak?

Sunak is the least unpopular Tory leadership candidate among the general public, but he's still less popular than Starmer.

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2022/10/21/britons-more-likely-see-sunak-good-pm-johnson-or-m
>> No. 97180 Anonymous
23rd October 2022
Sunday 10:08 pm
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>>97179

Interesting.

Of course, there's always the likelihood that he'll be forced to do something totally fucking retarded like make Rees Mogg the new chancellor to appease the warring factions. That's still going to be the party's downfall.
>> No. 97181 Anonymous
23rd October 2022
Sunday 10:23 pm
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>>97180
Are they likely to replace Hunt? He was brought in as the stability candidate, to the best of my knowledge he's not ideologically at odds with Sunak.
>> No. 97182 Anonymous
23rd October 2022
Sunday 10:40 pm
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>>97181

He's almost certain to keep Hunt, simply in the interests of stability. The markets trust him and that means a lot at the moment.

The first big risk for Sunak will be getting the budget through parliament. There are just enough Johnsonite nutters to create a risk of rebellion, even if that rebellion would bring down the government and trigger a general election. If he gets over that hurdle, he's still hamstrung by the fact that his majority is extremely fragile. The party is so divided that there's no way of hammering out a compromise. The Johnsonites might wind their neck in a bit if he can turn around the poll numbers, but they aren't willing to work with him towards that aim.
>> No. 97183 Anonymous
24th October 2022
Monday 12:04 am
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>>97182

That's going to be what does it I reckon. The budget will come out and brutally slash funding to all the things that matter in red wall constituencies while protecting the bowling greens and fetes in Model-Village Upon Bishopcheese, and the substantial cohort of MPs from those constituencies will pull the equivalent of burning the office down after being given their P45.
>> No. 97184 Anonymous
24th October 2022
Monday 12:50 am
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I don't even think it needs to be that divisive. The people who cheered the Truss budget aren't going to take kindly to a budget with both substantial tax hikes and spending cuts. Even if the burden is spread fairly equitably, there's going to be backlash about anything that isn't Cakeist delusion.
>> No. 97185 Anonymous
24th October 2022
Monday 3:21 am
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If these red Wall Tory MPs have got any sense, they'll be defecting to Labour as soon as the sun comes up.
>> No. 97186 Anonymous
24th October 2022
Monday 6:15 am
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>>97185
If you’ve heard any of them speak you’ll know that’s not happening then.
>> No. 97187 Anonymous
24th October 2022
Monday 7:50 am
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>>97185
2019 saw the likes of Ken Clarke, Rory Stewart and Philip Hammond replaced with 'FUCKIN' WOKE TALIBAN WANT TO MAKE YOUR KIDS CHANGE GENDER AND HAVE INTERRACIAL RELATIONSHIPS' culture warriors.
>> No. 97188 Anonymous
24th October 2022
Monday 8:44 am
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>>97187
Ahh Rory Stewart.

He should have won when it was his chance.
>> No. 97189 Anonymous
24th October 2022
Monday 9:48 am
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>>97187

Those are exactly the sort of people Labour could do with more of. Turn the enemy's weapon on him.

As long as they have a mandate to deliver substantiative reform and economic development, especially in the provinces and not just London, I don't give a fuck if a few weirdos on Twitter get bumsore about it. Let them cry into their organic oat milk decaf lattes.
>> No. 97190 Anonymous
24th October 2022
Monday 10:01 am
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>>97189
Labour don't need a bunch of gormless far-right weirdos in the party, none of whom won their seats on personal merit, but purely because they piggy-backed on Johnson's fraudulent and vaporous "levelling up agenda". If Labour starts harping on about trans women being evil and whatever other bollocks you have in mind all it's going to do is turn the party into an unmanageable mess, give more credence to right-wing talking points of all kinds, and more to the point it's immoral, it's cruel and you're thick as pigshit. You are a very stupid guy and I don't think you should feel so comfortable expressing your ideas even in an anonymous setting such as this one.
>> No. 97191 Anonymous
24th October 2022
Monday 10:31 am
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>a bunch of gormless far-right weirdos in the party, none of whom won their seats on personal merit
>an unmanageable mess, give more credence to right-wing talking points of all kinds, and more to the point it's immoral, it's cruel
That sounds like the last Labour government, and by all accounts that was bloody brilliant.
>> No. 97192 Anonymous
24th October 2022
Monday 11:33 am
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>>97190

But it would work, and you know it.

It's a win win because the beautiful thing about these "right wing talking points" is that that's all they are. They are completely devoid of substance and would make no difference to the reality of people's daily lives. Social attitudes don't change because the government says so, they shift generationally more than anything, and reflect the consensus of people's values. But they do affect how people vote, and a big part of the reason Labour has disconnected with its base is because they're seen as out of touch metropolitan progressives, at odds with their working class constituents. Remember that tweet about the white van with the England flag on it. Sums the whole thing up.

If paying a bit of lip service to boomers is all it takes to enable some meaningful action to tackle the country's gaping material inequality, then I don't give a fuck how much you dislike it, it's worth it.
>> No. 97193 Anonymous
24th October 2022
Monday 11:54 am
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>>97191
That's some epic trolling, dude. But that's obviously a guy who lost his seat for, basically, lying at a general election Labour lost and has yet to row back from, barring a brief resurgence in 2017 when they came close-ish. Woolas held his seat by a mere 103 votes even with his xenophobic fibbing, a margin that has been massively outsized at every GE since, even the Labour bloodbath that was 2019.

>>97192
No, it wouldn't work. You lose votes from people who aren't heartless scum, you don't gain that many votes because no one who is heartless scum believes this about turn Labour have pulled and despite what you think of them, most people aren't actually heartless scum anyway. You dismiss "right wing talking points" like the rightist print media in this country don't have a stranglehold on much of the national discourse. That which you are so quick to brush off just got Liz Truss the top job despite only idiots and massive idiots (libertarians) thinking she was any good, you are living in a fantasy land and I have no interest in discussing your nonsense ideas any further. Not least because Labour are currently massively ahead in every poll I've seen, and they haven't had to rebrand as the red BNP to do it. Your ideas were without merit when you first posted them fucking donkeys ago, they've only become less rational over time.
>> No. 97194 Anonymous
24th October 2022
Monday 12:15 pm
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>>97193

>You lose votes from people who aren't heartless scum, you don't gain that many votes

If only that were true ladm9. Except that if it were, the LibDems would actually matter, and Corbyn wouldn't have been utterly smashed to oblivion.

More to the point, most of those people have already ditched Labour in favour of the Greens or some other obscure lefty splinter group, because they think Starmer is already too right wing and that talking about "working families" is a homophobic dogwhistle.

You are the one who is unable to disentangle your ideas of "left" and "right" from how people feel about gays, as opposed to their feelings about the distribution of wealth. It's you who's a gormless wanker.

>That which you are so quick to brush off just got Liz Truss the top job despite only idiots and massive idiots (libertarians) thinking she was any good

What the fuck are you talking about, you total div. Truss was elected by the Conservative membership. It's a given that they're idiots, but they're not going to be voting Labour even if Margaret Thatcher herself was their leader. Absolutely and completely fucking irrelevant to the conversation mate.
>> No. 97195 Anonymous
24th October 2022
Monday 12:48 pm
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You have no evidence for anything you say, ever. None of your ideas hold any water, you're just talking crap over and over. You might as well be trying to convince me it's the height of Spring or that bon bons are made of spinach. Labour membership might have fallen away by some margin, but there's little evidence this has led to a significant splintering or even a vocal left-wing opposition. However, it's one thing to move to the centre, it's much more extreme to start engaging in culture war shit-flinging. And if you don't understand how influential the right-wing press' support for Truss was, that's one thing, a refusal to recognise it is quite another. It's relavent because you're suggesting Labour allow itself to get carried along on the petty whims of those media organisations, without considering what happens when Labour wants to do something that goes against what they want. Do you think the Mail and the Express are going to sit like obedient dogs when Labour decide not gun down migrants in the Channel or increase the rate of corporation tax? No, they're going to bite Labour regardless, because that's their raison d'etre. Truss was not the favouite to win the Summer's leadership race, but she was the move fervently pro-business and anti-regulation.

Johnson didn't win big in 2019 because he was bashing LGBT people and asylum seekers, he promised a Brexit boon and public investment. Aided handsomely by a Labour campaign that had massively confused messaging, more infighting than a custom Doom WAD and a Brexit policy that was about as popular as jungle music at a Catholic mass. Labour are hitting 50%+ in some polls right now and you're still harping on about this bollocks, you're the splinter, mate, you're the oddity. It's not me who's swimming against the current. I'm perfectly aware that people's social politics and economic politics don't always work in lockstep with one another, and as such I recognise the disconnect is far lesser than you assume. It is not remotely the case that Tom, Dick and Harry attending picket lines by day and burning crosses by night. This is your fantasy and not one I'm interested in entertaining anymore of. Before posting your next reply, print it out, scrunch it up and flush it down the bog with the rest of your shit, then bin your entire PC or laptop as you clearly aren't using it to have fun or educate yourself, as such it's just taking up space that could be occupied by something useful. Like a copy of "Politics for Dummies" or your belated suicide note.
>> No. 97196 Anonymous
24th October 2022
Monday 1:19 pm
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>>97195

>Labour membership might have fallen away by some margin, but there's little evidence this has led to a significant splintering or even a vocal left-wing opposition.

And why do you think that might be? Because those people are a fucking rounding error in Labour's electoral calculus. Labour really has nothing to lose if progressive liberal types waver in their support. It has everything to gain by turning blue constituencies red.

Make no mistake that shouldn't involve betraying the very foundation of the party. You don't beat the Tories by becoming the Tories, that's no victory at all. But you can adopt the aesthetics of the populist, patriotic rhetoric that the British electorate absolutely laps up.

The centrist way is really the worst of both worlds. You move to the right but you don't get anything in return. You're tethered to a pathetic neolberal economic regime, while carefully avoiding standing for anything of substance in any other regard.

Socially conservative, economically left is what this country wants. I'd prefer if it was both socially and economically left, but I am under no illusion about which one matters the most.
>> No. 97197 Anonymous
24th October 2022
Monday 1:28 pm
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>>97193
>Labour are currently massively ahead in every poll I've seen, and they haven't had to rebrand as the red BNP to do it

Starmer has clearly made some overtures to broad national sentiment, obnoxious as that may be to certain people. I found it amusing how much grumbling there was about his decision to have the national anthem sung at the party conference, as if there was some debate about which country they were aiming to govern.
>> No. 97198 Anonymous
24th October 2022
Monday 2:01 pm
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The Penny has dropped out.

All hail PM Rishi.
>> No. 97199 Anonymous
24th October 2022
Monday 2:09 pm
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She's so fit. Just once it would be nice to have a wank over our Prime Minister, but it was not to be.
>> No. 97200 Anonymous
24th October 2022
Monday 2:31 pm
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Sorry the thought of spunking on Major's glasses wasn't good enough for you, ladm9.
>> No. 97201 Anonymous
24th October 2022
Monday 2:50 pm
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Here is an example of what I believe the youngsters nowadays would call "weapons grade copium".

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/rishi-sunak-next-prime-minister-labour-b2209138.html
>> No. 97202 Anonymous
24th October 2022
Monday 3:20 pm
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>>97199
If you couldn't bust one out to a mental image of a trussed-up Liz Truss, you just lack commitment. We gave you all the resources right here.
>> No. 97203 Anonymous
24th October 2022
Monday 3:31 pm
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Mordaunt is objectively fit whereas claiming the same for Truss is just shit meme-forcing; her constantly vacant expression should be enough to make your cock shrivel in disgust.
>> No. 97204 Anonymous
24th October 2022
Monday 3:57 pm
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You're both wrong. It doesn't matter if those 2019 nutters defect, because Labour are going to deselect them at the first opportunity for simple reasons of loyalty and discipline. Starmer is still struggling to win back control of the party from the Corbynites and the last thing he wants is to import a load of people who have their own agenda and could become an ERG-esque voting bloc that erodes a Labour majority from the inside.

Even if the polls get quite a lot worse for Labour, they're going to win back those marginals quite easily, because so many people in those red wall seats who lent their votes to the Tories now feel completely betrayed. Starmer might not be particularly exciting, but at least he hasn't repeatedly spat in the face of the electorate. None of those 2019 MPs have the resources or the nous to mount a decent campaign as an independent.
>> No. 97205 Anonymous
24th October 2022
Monday 4:17 pm
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>>97193
>But that's obviously a guy who lost his seat for, basically, lying at a general election Labour lost and has yet to row back from
The point was less that he narrowly kept his seat (and then rightly had it taken off him) and more that he was a colossal cunt who Labour not only fought tooth and nail to get into parliament in 1997, but also promoted a succession of government posts under both Blair and Brown, culminating in Minister of State for Borders and Immigration. His willingness to fight a dirty election campaign means very little when compared against Labour's eagerness to put up with him. (And I'm only really focusing on him because his case is funny, far better known cabinet ministers were equally reactionary bastards.)

And what's utterly brilliant about it is that in the aftermath of a Prime Minister who actively co-operated with The Sun on migrant bashing press campaigns and brought the stupid "points based immigration system" buzzword into the national lexicon, if anything Labour's reputation for being soft on immigrants and foreigners got worse. (The upside of this being, everyone gets to forget how nasty the government actually was, leaving the nice moderate not-racist reputations of all involved intact.)
>> No. 97206 Anonymous
24th October 2022
Monday 6:45 pm
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>>97196
>It has everything to gain by turning blue constituencies red.
This. That is the only way of evicting the current shower. No amount of posturing over whether certain party positions are "left enough" or "too right" will get the Tories out of power. The rules of the game are simple - you take their seats, or you lose (again). Under FPTP, going for the theoretical voters you want is a losing strategy. You have to go for voters you know you have. In Tory seats, that means courting Tory voters.

>>97204
>It doesn't matter if those 2019 nutters defect, because Labour are going to deselect them at the first opportunity
It matters immensely when the threshold for unseating the government is 322 votes in a confidence motion and you can only muster 263.
>> No. 97207 Anonymous
24th October 2022
Monday 6:45 pm
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Imagine voting Brexit only to end up with a brown Prime Minister.
>> No. 97208 Anonymous
24th October 2022
Monday 7:03 pm
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>>97205
>"points based immigration system" buzzword

I don't think you know what "buzzword" means. What you're describing is current policy not only here but in several countries:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Points-based_immigration_system
>> No. 97209 Anonymous
24th October 2022
Monday 7:07 pm
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>>97207

An’ for all ’is dirty ’ide
’E was white, clear white, inside
When ’e went to tend the wounded under fire!
>> No. 97210 Anonymous
24th October 2022
Monday 7:38 pm
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>>97208
Buzzword. Noun. Informal.
>a word or phrase, often an item of jargon, that is fashionable at a particular time or in a particular context.
>> No. 97211 Anonymous
24th October 2022
Monday 8:28 pm
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>>97207

The libs are certainly having a fun time of it. 3 female PMs and the first ever BAMEorarewesayingBIPOCnow PM coming from a Conservative government, and they are starting to wonder if the identity politics might be a little bit shallow.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/oct/24/diversity-trickle-down-colour-top-cabinet-women-minority-ethnic-workers-tories

They're so close. So agonisingly close to getting it.

>>97209

Well, this one's blue inside, but I suppose the gist is the same.
>> No. 97212 Anonymous
25th October 2022
Tuesday 1:27 am
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>>97211
>3 female PMs and the first ever BAMEorarewesayingBIPOCnow PM coming from a Conservative government
Sounds nice, but it doesn't really say much if none of them turn out to be any good at the job.
>> No. 97213 Anonymous
25th October 2022
Tuesday 12:56 pm
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BBC's saying that JRM's 'resigned' as business secretary.
Apparently the era of comedy parliament is over, we're moving to a new era of depressing realism. And, no doubt, poor choices, but hopefully less flat-out fuckwittery.
>> No. 97214 Anonymous
25th October 2022
Tuesday 1:01 pm
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>>97213
Rees-Mogg had recently said he did not expect a job in Sunak's cabinet, but indicated his openness to a position, saying: "I will do whatever he wants me to do."

'fuck off forever', I hope.
>> No. 97215 Anonymous
25th October 2022
Tuesday 1:09 pm
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>>97214
Jacob Rees-Mogg being a senior politician is like one of those jokes you learned at school - funny then, but doesn't age well. His demise is long overdue; I don't know why Tories don't see him as the embarrassment he is.
>> No. 97216 Anonymous
25th October 2022
Tuesday 1:19 pm
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>>97215

The thought recently occurred to me that Truss's official title is "the Right Honourable member for South West Norfolk". It's no wonder that the Americans don't understand us. We used to be charmingly eccentric, but now we're just embarrassing.
>> No. 97217 Anonymous
25th October 2022
Tuesday 1:23 pm
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>>97213
I hope so. I'd rather have a boring characterless bunch that just get on with it rather than useless tossers who stand out.
>> No. 97218 Anonymous
25th October 2022
Tuesday 1:37 pm
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Never noticed/realised the difference in PM lecterns before. The Liz Truss one is bonkers, as expected.
>> No. 97219 Anonymous
25th October 2022
Tuesday 3:16 pm
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>>97218
That was news to me too when I read about it about an hour ago. The thing I really don't like about the lecterns is that the badge on the front changes if an election is going to be called, thereby spoiling the surprise completely.
>> No. 97220 Anonymous
25th October 2022
Tuesday 3:21 pm
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slwU8ymSvJ0

Rashi Sunook.
>> No. 97221 Anonymous
25th October 2022
Tuesday 3:26 pm
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>>97219
> the badge on the front changes if an election is going to be called

WHAT NOW? I didn't know that either.
>> No. 97222 Anonymous
25th October 2022
Tuesday 4:56 pm
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>>97221
If you think that's bad, wait until you find out that you could have worked out that Truss was resigning because the lectern was outside rather than in the fancy briefing room they set up.
>> No. 97223 Anonymous
25th October 2022
Tuesday 5:00 pm
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>>97218
Do they have a cabinet maker on call or something for when they need to spin up a new lectern? Rishi's entire leadership bid this time was over in a matter of a couple of days, and they really only had since yesterday morning to figure out that he was likely to win.
>> No. 97224 Anonymous
25th October 2022
Tuesday 5:10 pm
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Suella Braverman is back in the job she resigned from. Fucks sake.
>> No. 97225 Anonymous
25th October 2022
Tuesday 5:45 pm
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>>97224

Does seem like an exceptionally strange decision, but then, what are we expecting from this circus act.

The newspapers have started talking about it as though everything's fixed and smooth, slick, grown up Rishi will put everything right. But it's basically that meme where Homer Simpson has all his fat tied up behind him.

Too early to tell as yet of course, but I won't be surprised if this one goes to pot even faster than Truss. She was lucky, the Queen snuffing it bought her at least a fortnight. Rishi won't have that luxury.
>> No. 97226 Anonymous
25th October 2022
Tuesday 5:48 pm
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>>97224
She resigned because she broke the rules, too (at least officially). Perhaps they're testing the waters for expelling Boris if he's found guilty, and then immediately letting him rejoin.
>> No. 97227 Anonymous
25th October 2022
Tuesday 6:10 pm
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>>97226
She broke the rules in a fairly minor and inadvertent fashion. Presumably she's being given a chance to prove she can break them in a more blatant and deliberate manner like a true Tory minister.
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25th October 2022
Tuesday 8:07 pm
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>>97227
>and inadvertent
I still think she was looking for the smallest rule violation she could find that would let her resign and turn everyone against Liz Truss.
>> No. 97233 Anonymous
26th October 2022
Wednesday 11:38 am
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Financial plan delayed until mid November. That's not a good look at all, when delaying it until the end of October was already a massive problem. Are the wheels coming off already?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-63375473
>> No. 97234 Anonymous
26th October 2022
Wednesday 12:08 pm
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2SkoOhIy3o
>> No. 97235 Anonymous
26th October 2022
Wednesday 12:12 pm
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>>97233
I think the idea the wheels were back on was nothing more than media hype. The Tories are basically a coalition of parties who hate one another.
>> No. 97236 Anonymous
26th October 2022
Wednesday 12:15 pm
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>>97233
I think it's a case of optics more than anything, provided they can give a good reason for the delay. Sunak has more sense than Truss in realising that the papers would have an absolute field day if the government were announcing bad news on Halloween.
>> No. 97237 Anonymous
26th October 2022
Wednesday 3:19 pm
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>>97235

There's a lot of wishful thinking within the Tory party, but none of the underlying problems have gone away. We'll have to wait to see how the polls react to Sunak, but I think it's still going to look pretty dire for them.
>> No. 97238 Anonymous
26th October 2022
Wednesday 5:30 pm
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Labour terrified of speaking the truth and being too classpilled in case the entire population of Birmingham and Bradford turn on them now that the PM is brown. Just bend over and let the Tories score free diversity points for appointing the wealthiest PM ever.

Pathetic.
>> No. 97239 Anonymous
26th October 2022
Wednesday 5:43 pm
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>>97238
Now that Truss has gone are we back to business as usual and Labour shooting themselves in the foot? That poll lead will narrow in no time.
>> No. 97240 Anonymous
26th October 2022
Wednesday 6:28 pm
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>>97238

I'm honestly not sure whether you're taking issue with the comment or the disciplinary action.

Electorally, Whittome's comment is damaging. Most British voters are genuinely pleased that there's an Asian PM, because they aren't racist and take pride in their perception of Britain as an inclusive society. Most British voters are displeased that a rich banker is PM. If you put those two facts in the same sentence, people are confused and worried that they might say the wrong thing and they'll be angry at you for making them feel like that.

By all means have a go at Rishi for being a posh rich twat, but under no circumstances should you mention his Asianness. Nobody wants to get dragged into conversations that include words like "representation", because any sane person has developed a Pavlovian dread of culture war signals.

Whittome needs to go and sit in the naughty corner and write out "hot takes lose votes" 100 times.
>> No. 97241 Anonymous
26th October 2022
Wednesday 7:04 pm
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>>97238
Some people just won't call a spade a spade, or a coconut a coconut.
>> No. 97242 Anonymous
26th October 2022
Wednesday 7:06 pm
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>>97240

Bit of both really. Saying it "isn't a win for Asian representation" makes me wonder what she thinks would be- Would it be a great victory for representation if Mr Patel from my local shop was the PM? Or is he still a bit too entrepreneurial and a bit dodgy because he shamelessly sells multipack cans individually?

The neurotic obsession with "representation" is just a fucking retarded concept to be honest. I dislike that it has taken root in our politics and culture. We've had three women PMs and spent the last 70 years under a female monarch, but the fisherpeople still reckon women are under represented. So clearly this idea of representation, even giving it the most charitable assumption of good faith, doesn't fucking work, does it.

But yeah aside from that, the discipline is in part because she targeted his wealth too. Starmer has explicitly instructed that his £730m net worth shouldn't be an attack line, for reasons I can just about understand, but even so. It's the sort of thing you want your backbenchers saying, even if you want to keep your shirt clean from saying it yourself. Capitalise on the fact that hatred of the Tories is at the highest it has been in literal decades and get the ordinary person on your side. You don't need to play the mealy mouthed centrist at a time like this. Come back to it when there's an election on, but for the time being? Play to your strengths.

Labour just always making the safe plays and STILL scoring own goals. Frustrating.
>> No. 97244 Anonymous
26th October 2022
Wednesday 7:16 pm
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>>97242
>Would it be a great victory for representation if Mr Patel from my local shop was the PM? Or is he still a bit too entrepreneurial and a bit dodgy because he shamelessly sells multipack cans individually?
That depends. Did he attend a top-tier private school, get rich in the US, then marry the heiress of a massive business services firm and in doing so lose touch with the ordinary British Indian population?

Be honest, lad. The natural state of this country is being run by posh white blokes from the elite. Just like Theresa was one those but with a vagina, Rishi is more of the same but with a bit of brown coating.
>> No. 97245 Anonymous
26th October 2022
Wednesday 7:21 pm
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>>97242
Bit of both really. Saying it "isn't a win for Asian representation" makes me wonder what she thinks would be

As far as I can remember Labour have tended to believe that immigrants should vote for them by default. If they don't vote Labour then they're the wrong kind of immigrant. They don't seem to grasp how racist this blinkered view is, especially considering many migrants come from cultures more socially conservative than our own.
>> No. 97246 Anonymous
26th October 2022
Wednesday 7:30 pm
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>>97244

My point is more that she's accepting the premise, and disputing the technicality, rather than just rejecting the premise outright.

She's saying that yes, it matters that we have an Asian PM, but just not him, he doesn't count because he's loaded. He's not a real Indian, but it would be great if we did have a real Indian- But of course he is a real Indian. It's not shoe polish is it.

It's just that guess what? Indians can be filthy stinking bastard rich too. Lots and lots of them are.

The race angle is false consciousness.
>> No. 97247 Anonymous
26th October 2022
Wednesday 7:36 pm
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>>97246
>But of course he is a real Indian. It's not shoe polish is it.
The point is that it might as well be. It's not representation. It's performative diversity. The phrase that gets kicked about is "having someone who looks like you". The point is that that's where the similarities end. For young British Asians, he isn't like them, he just looks like them.
>> No. 97248 Anonymous
26th October 2022
Wednesday 7:40 pm
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>>97247

You're missing MY point.

>The race angle is false consciousness.

If you acknowledge this as "performative diversity", then that means you think there's such a thing as "effective, meaningful diversity", which there isn't, because it's all performative by very definition. It doesn't materially help with any tangibly extant problems within society. It just puts on a show of pretending to be doing something.

The fact a man like Rishi Sunak, net worth £730m, is the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, leader the Conservative party, demonstrates that.

The young British Asians who won't be PM anytime soon won't be PM anytime soon for exactly the same reasons as the young British British who won't be PM any time soon. Have a guess.
>> No. 97249 Anonymous
26th October 2022
Wednesday 7:57 pm
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>>97248

Iz it 'cos dey vote Labour?
>> No. 97250 Anonymous
26th October 2022
Wednesday 8:06 pm
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>>97248
Surely effective, meaningful diversity would be an ideal scenario where all the statistics line up nicely because differences of opportunities and outcomes have been eliminated, in contrast to performative diversity where you drop someone from a "diverse" group into the top job while leaving all the deeply unfair social structures in place.
Say you parachute a working class PM into the job in an unequal society like ours. It'll do no good. Doing so will nudge up the "number of working class PMs" statistic, sure, but the nature of the structure they're working in means that they'll be a PM for the wealthy. They may even be worse than a toff since they can use their background as shield from criticism for continuing with policies that hurt working class people.

Conversely, if power and income were more evenly distributed, people from working class backgrounds would make up a much higher proportion of Prime Ministers because the factors limiting their numbers until this point will have been removed. They wind up being genuinely representative as a result.
To get diversity, just apply this line of thought to every group at once and season to taste - "Thatcher/May/Truss was a woman, but a PM for men...", "Heath was a bachelor, but a PM for married people...", "Blair was a Labour MP, but a PM for To-better not"
>> No. 97251 Anonymous
26th October 2022
Wednesday 8:46 pm
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>>97250
>They may even be worse than a toff since they can use their background as shield from criticism for continuing with policies that hurt working class people.
It is precisely this. The brown-eyed people in the Home Office had the power, ability, and responsibility to improve things for people like themselves. Instead, they not only maintained the cruelty but actively made it worse. It's one thing for the posh white blokes with no connection to the real world to pull this shit, it's entirely another for people who very clearly should know better to do it.
>> No. 97252 Anonymous
26th October 2022
Wednesday 8:52 pm
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>>97250

>scenario where all the statistics line up nicely because differences of opportunities and outcomes have been eliminated

>if power and income were more evenly distributed

>just apply this line of thought to every group at once

So, to in other words, this "meaningful diversity" would happen as an outcome of substantial action in other areas of life, it is an end, not a means? It would be as a result of enacting a material change in the structure of society and distribution of wealth, rather than being something we can meaningfully affect or influence in and of itself, for it's own sake; because attempting to do that is to get it backwards, pointless and results in no real change.

That's an interesting line of thought that is, innit.
>> No. 97253 Anonymous
26th October 2022
Wednesday 8:53 pm
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>>97250
>Heath was a bachelor

I mean that's one way of putting it.
>> No. 97254 Anonymous
26th October 2022
Wednesday 9:03 pm
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>>97252
>That's an interesting line of thought that is, innit.
If you're mostly interested in pseudointellectual wanking, sure. Otherwise, it's mostly vacuous.
>> No. 97255 Anonymous
26th October 2022
Wednesday 9:05 pm
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>>97254

Great argument.
>> No. 97256 Anonymous
26th October 2022
Wednesday 9:23 pm
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>>97253
Was he a 'Hampstead' Heath?
>> No. 97258 Anonymous
26th October 2022
Wednesday 9:41 pm
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>>97255
Bollocks called out as bollocks rather than rebutted on the poster's preferred terms shocker.
>> No. 97261 Anonymous
26th October 2022
Wednesday 10:16 pm
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>>97258

So you think Rishi Sunak's prime ministership will do anything to help disadvantaged British Asians?
>> No. 97262 Anonymous
26th October 2022
Wednesday 10:19 pm
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>>97250

>Surely effective, meaningful diversity would be an ideal scenario where all the statistics line up nicely because differences of opportunities and outcomes have been eliminated, in contrast to performative diversity where you drop someone from a "diverse" group into the top job while leaving all the deeply unfair social structures in place.

British Indians have significantly higher household incomes than the national average. If we implemented this notion of "diversity", we'd need to actively handicap people of Indian origin to allow everyone else to catch up.

https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/work-pay-and-benefits/pay-and-income/household-income/latest
>> No. 97263 Anonymous
26th October 2022
Wednesday 10:32 pm
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>>97262

I love when stuff like this is pointed out, liberal types are suddenly full Thatcherite, "Well that must just mean British Indians work harder than everyone else! Good on them!"
>> No. 97264 Anonymous
26th October 2022
Wednesday 10:55 pm
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>>97263

I heard many years ago (I'm talking at least twenty here, so forgive me for not having a source other than my arse), but I heard that the service economy in South Asia is considered lower than shit, so a Lad who sets up a corner shop here in Blighty suddenly becomes a cornerstone of a community overnight just by being chatty and staying open on traditional Christian holidays. I know I appreciated being able to get a bottle of Advocaat on Christmas Day because of that. I just wish there was a way to import a bunch of mentors who would give ME purpose, but maybe that's one for /emo/.
>> No. 97265 Anonymous
30th October 2022
Sunday 9:48 am
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>> No. 97266 Anonymous
30th October 2022
Sunday 11:53 am
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>>97265
This image forces me to conclude that a third of Green voters have switched their allegiances to the Conservative Party. Isn't data wonderful? Not really, given that 1% of people have seemingly just withdrawn completely from the next election if you add all the +/- numbers up.
>> No. 97267 Anonymous
30th October 2022
Sunday 12:00 pm
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>>97266
Never heard the Greens been called 'Tories on bikes' before? There's a lot of NIMBYs out there.
>> No. 97268 Anonymous
30th October 2022
Sunday 12:12 pm
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>>97267
As a Green voter it does my head in when it's suggested them taking votes from the Tories is a bad thing. When Labour do it, that's the 'correct' way, is it?
>> No. 97269 Anonymous
30th October 2022
Sunday 12:29 pm
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>>97268

A vote for the Greens is a vote for the incumbent. How that sits with your conscience is up to you.
>> No. 97270 Anonymous
30th October 2022
Sunday 12:30 pm
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>>97268
When Greens take votes off the Tories they should do the decent thing and pass this gain on to Labour. That's the whole point of having a Progressive Alliance.
>> No. 97271 Anonymous
30th October 2022
Sunday 12:32 pm
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>>97267

>Never heard the Greens been called 'Tories on bikes' before?

A lot of them are well known as self-righteous bigots who have wholeheartedly embraced conservativism after spending all the energy of their younger years fighting it.

Nothing sorts you out like a corporate career and a mortgage.
>> No. 97272 Anonymous
30th October 2022
Sunday 12:58 pm
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>>97271

Bit of a moot point considering the current state of the labour party.
>> No. 97273 Anonymous
30th October 2022
Sunday 1:38 pm
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>>97272
What do you mean?
>> No. 97274 Anonymous
30th October 2022
Sunday 1:50 pm
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>>97273

Probably a member of Momentum.
>> No. 97275 Anonymous
30th October 2022
Sunday 8:49 pm
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>>97271
I find Greens have the issue of getting yelled at by their supporters whenever they have to actually talk about anything that isn't saving the woodlice.
>> No. 97276 Anonymous
31st October 2022
Monday 10:13 am
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>>97273
You know exactly what that means.
>> No. 97317 Anonymous
1st December 2022
Thursday 6:59 pm
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Reform UK now polling on level with the Lib Dems thanks to people abandoning the Tories for electing a brown leader.
>> No. 97318 Anonymous
2nd December 2022
Friday 1:25 am
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Question Time was shite.
>> No. 97319 Anonymous
2nd December 2022
Friday 2:36 am
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>>97318
Always has been.
>> No. 97320 Anonymous
2nd December 2022
Friday 11:27 am
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>>97318
I put it on for under a minute, and the first topic of discussion was about the Royal lady-in-waiting who asked the black woman where she was really from. I instantly switched off. This story just doesn't interest me, and I don't think it's ever going to. The whole story feels like a fake plant to distract us from something else. Is Ukraine losing?
>> No. 97321 Anonymous
2nd December 2022
Friday 11:43 am
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>>97320
Be nice to this guy, he's clinically retarded.
>> No. 97322 Anonymous
2nd December 2022
Friday 11:57 am
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>>97320
It's a smokescreen for the real race story of the week; the boss of Pimlico Plumbers got called out by Dr Ranj for a joke he told at the British Curry Awards.
>> No. 97323 Anonymous
2nd December 2022
Friday 1:31 pm
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>>97320
>The whole story feels like a fake plant to distract us from something else.

I feel like you might benefit from this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect
>> No. 97324 Anonymous
2nd December 2022
Friday 1:34 pm
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>>97322
>the boss of Pimlico Plumbers

Now he is a loathsome individual - didn't know it was him though.
>> No. 97328 Anonymous
2nd December 2022
Friday 4:27 pm
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>>97323
I'm well aware of the Dunning-Kruger effect, thank you very much so I don't need to click that link.
>> No. 97337 Anonymous
2nd December 2022
Friday 6:52 pm
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>>97322

30 or 40 years ago maybe that would have been racist, but you see, Indians are doing quite well for themselves these days. According the the statistics, a white bloke making a joke about Indians is now punching up rather than punching down, so really we should be celebrating it.

Times change, we can't just keep relying on these dated cultural stereotypes, know what I mean?
>> No. 97338 Anonymous
5th December 2022
Monday 6:19 pm
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Apparently Tory MPs are queuing up to stand down in the next election, which is a sign they're close to throwing in the towel. Several weeks after Sunak stabilised things, polling is still abysmal, so they will start to look at cutting their losses now rather than face total generational wipeout in 24 (and get cushy private sector jobs in the meantime).
>> No. 97339 Anonymous
6th December 2022
Tuesday 6:20 pm
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>>97338
The Tory part has set a deadline by which anyone who wants to stand down has to do so.
Just imagine closer to the election there is going to be a load who stand down then anyway, what can they do to stop them, besides the fewest with a chance of a peerage if they play ball.
>> No. 97340 Anonymous
6th December 2022
Tuesday 7:05 pm
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Yeah, how exactly do they intend on enforcing that deadline? It's not like returning something to Amazon, if the MP says 12 hours before the GE election "I'm off, lads, have a good one", it's not like the party has much recourse.
>> No. 97341 Anonymous
6th December 2022
Tuesday 8:08 pm
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>>97340

Ex-MPs aren't nearly as employable as you might imagine. Very senior figures can get cushy roles in the private sector, people with professional qualifications can go back to law or medicine, but a lot of career back-benchers don't have much to fall back on.

Former MPs are allowed to retain their Westminster pass, so they can access areas in the Parliamentary Estate that the public can't. If you're a company or trade organisation that is trying to influence government policy, former MPs are a modestly useful asset. The tearooms of Westminster are full of former MPs trying to bend the ear of current MPs on behalf of Ineos or Taylor Wimpey or whoever their client happens to be. It's undignified, it's grubby, but for a lot of MPs it's their least-worst option.

That potential career goes completely out of the window if the whip's office has declared you a persona non grata. Any favours you might think that you're owed will be null and void. You'll be a middle-aged person trying to start a career from scratch without so much as a good reference. If you've been on £80k a year plus expenses, that's a scary prospect.
>> No. 97342 Anonymous
6th December 2022
Tuesday 11:55 pm
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Thérèse Coffey needs to be fucking careful flinging statements such as "It is not the role of government to provide free food". That's something that I would like to counter with: "it is not the role of the Electorate to provide a Harkonnen with free food via the Parlimentary Estate".
>> No. 97343 Anonymous
7th December 2022
Wednesday 4:06 pm
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Does anybody have a list of the Tory MPs who stepped down prior to the 1997 election so I can get an idea of where the current globby lot of pustulous politicos are liable to end up?

[spoilers]Hancock is obvs going to be doing the Freshers Week Student DJ Set thing.[/spoilers]
>> No. 97357 Anonymous
8th December 2022
Thursday 5:08 pm
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The one atom-thin silver lining around our current national predicament is that whenever a rightist moans about how bad it is the retort "well then maybe your lot shouldn't have fucked the country up" is completely fair, true and accurate. Does the Tory party actually have an answer for that? Or are they trying make out like rolling blackouts are going to be Blair's fault?
>> No. 97358 Anonymous
8th December 2022
Thursday 5:12 pm
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>>97357

They're blaming the last lot of Tories. If I were slightly more cynical, I'd think that they put in Truss just to make Sunak look good by comparison - it almost seems plausible for him to distance himself from the shit old Tories who fucked everything up.
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8th December 2022
Thursday 5:25 pm
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>> No. 97360 Anonymous
8th December 2022
Thursday 6:39 pm
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>>97357

Never mind Blair, they're probably still Corbyn's fault.
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8th December 2022
Thursday 7:48 pm
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>>97358

> I'd think that they put in Truss just to make Sunak look good by comparison


No, I'm pretty sure they were actually delusional enough to think that she was the least shit candidate they had at the time.

Nevertheless, Sunak seems to be seen as an improvement, but it's still looking pretty dire for the Tories.

Right now it'd be pretty much in the bag for Labour.
>> No. 97362 Anonymous
8th December 2022
Thursday 11:53 pm
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>>97359

That's a peculiar headline for a crisis largely around the insecurity of conventional fossil energy supplies.
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9th December 2022
Friday 3:46 am
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>>97362
I've certainly seem people blame the current issues on green levies and our inability to frack.
>> No. 97462 Anonymous
25th January 2023
Wednesday 1:45 pm
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Neither of you have posted, and indeed I have seen it mentioned very rarely in other places too, that when Nadhim Zahawi was Chancellor, he had to pay a fine for tax avoidance. Have we all just given up on expecting more from these people? It really feels to me like it should be a bigger scandal than it is.

There's also the fact that the Chairman of the BBC is a political appointment, and he helped Boris Johnson get a loan before he was conveniently given that job. Another scandal. Maybe I just don't watch as much news as I used to; I must confess I'm really curious how the newspapers are handling it ("Filthy corrupt BBC! In bed with, erm, the politicians we really like!") and I haven't looked to see at any point.
>> No. 97463 Anonymous
25th January 2023
Wednesday 2:24 pm
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>>97462

I think they've passed the point of peak sleaze, honestly. Once the scales came off people's eyes (although it's baffling it took so long) there's really not much point screaming off the rafters about it. Nobody's surprised. A lot like the inflation they helped create, they've started to stabilise, but with a gentle rolling simmer of fuck ups like this they won't be reversing their fortunes.

We're in a bit of a weird place right now where most of the public have had it with the Tories, and they're bit going to change their minds any time soon. But the right wing press has no choice but to live in a sort of parallel reality, it doesn't want to defend them, so it can only pretend it hasn't noticed, and keep its radership preoccupied with articles about a looming property market collapse that's far too good to be true.
>> No. 97464 Anonymous
25th January 2023
Wednesday 6:19 pm
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>>97462
>he had to pay a fine for tax avoidance
Ah but as he says it wasn't actually avoidance, it was just an honest mistake that he genuinely didn't believe he had to pay the millions the HMRC was asking for. The sort of simple kerfuffle that happens to regular British working people all the time.
>> No. 97465 Anonymous
25th January 2023
Wednesday 6:57 pm
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>>97464

That's the essential lose-lose for the Tories with the big scandals of the moment. It doesn't really matter whether Zahawi's tax problems were a legitimate mistake, it doesn't really matter if Boris Johnson's loan was above board. The mere fact that you would owe millions of pounds in tax or casually borrow £800k from a friend-of-a-friend marks you out as being a member of the "out-of-touch Westminster elite".

We aren't shocked, because it's the kind of thing we already expect - that kind of deep-seated prejudice isn't something that the Tories can easily turn around. They could replace Sunak with some scally from a council estate and we'd probably still assume that he's got millions in an offshore account. There is at least a possibility that Starmer can become slightly less boring before the next election, but there's no way that the Tories can shed their image as rich cunts.

In normal times, you can get away with a rich cunt. You can sell the idea that you're a safe pair of hands, that you know how business works and you know how to manage money. That doesn't work in abnormal times like these, when everything feels brutally zero-sum.
>> No. 97468 Anonymous
27th January 2023
Friday 10:15 am
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Hunt's bringing back "don't do Britain down"! It's the funniest day of my life and I feel fine.

Christ, Chancellors come out with the most remarkable bunk. Phillip Hammond said in 2016 or '17 all Britain's lorries would be self-driving by this year or the last, and that's no more feesible now than it was then. I know this is ancient history, but today's talk of turning "the UK to the next Silicon Valley" brought it all flooding back. Hunt knows full well that place didn't spring out of the ground by magic.

If you don't believe me, have a gander at this: "So to those who retired early after the pandemic, or haven’t found the right role after furlough, I say – Britain needs you." Imagine invoking Kitchener's wartime propaganda to attempt to entice a few thousand middle-class professionals back into their home office? What an utter boob you would have to be.
>> No. 97486 Anonymous
5th February 2023
Sunday 4:06 am
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>> No. 97487 Anonymous
5th February 2023
Sunday 11:26 am
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>>97486
I need to read this later. I was creasing up with laughter just reading the piece in yesterday's Guardian about her making a political comeback, and all the events she has planned and the opinion pieces like this; utterly delusional. Your grey matter would need to stop at the brain stem to get back on the Truss train.
>> No. 97489 Anonymous
5th February 2023
Sunday 1:47 pm
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>>97486
I honestly don't think Donald Trump ever wrote anything this deluded and sad about his own political career. She's completely deranged.
>> No. 97493 Anonymous
5th February 2023
Sunday 3:05 pm
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>>97486

https://archive.vn/J7M9r
>> No. 97494 Anonymous
5th February 2023
Sunday 3:06 pm
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>>97486
Next level delusion and a striking lack of self-awareness. Why do the Tories think this could possibly work as a comeback?
>> No. 97495 Anonymous
5th February 2023
Sunday 3:17 pm
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>>97489
The thing with Trump is that he was quite clearly on the grift and looking to enrich his family as much as possible. I don't think he really cared too much about what came out of his mouth.

Truss doesn't have the same motivation. She's got an unwavering conviction in her beliefs, to the point she's so sure she is completely right and everyone else is wrong she doesn't have to worry about things like introspection. Her downfall was clearly the work of everyone else out to get her.
>> No. 97496 Anonymous
5th February 2023
Sunday 3:59 pm
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>>97494
>Why do the Tories think this could possibly work as a comeback?

Take a look at the comments under the Torygraph article or the spin-off articles in support of her. It all makes sense when you live in a bubble where your decisions are perfectly orthodox and the ideas of those outside are tantamount to treason. I don't doubt that some people even genuinely believe that civil servants and members of the IMF should be sent to prison.

She's positioned herself to appeal to basic instincts within the Conservative Party towards lower taxes and shrinking the state along the Singapore-on-Thames framework. Then she caps it off by mentioning our decline as a world power which therefore justifies taking a risk even if you have serious misgivings. It's quite a potent mix, like a Corbynista remnant in the Labour party with different policies.
>> No. 97497 Anonymous
5th February 2023
Sunday 4:23 pm
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>>97496

>She's positioned herself to appeal to basic instincts within the Conservative Party towards lower taxes and shrinking the state along the Singapore-on-Thames framework.

Of course, the problem for the Tories is that the libertarian tendency accounts for a minority of Tory MPs and Tory voters. Boris managed to get a majority by not really saying anything of substance, but being charismatic enough to appeal to the broad Tory coalition.

As soon as people start talking about policy, they're going to start tearing the party to bits. Singapore-on-Thames will massively piss off Red Wall voters who hate the idea of bankers getting richer; it'll piss off the core Home Counties Tory vote as soon as they realise that "a competitive deregulated economy" only works if it involves building things and letting brown-eyed people into the country.
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5th February 2023
Sunday 4:30 pm
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>>97497
>Boris managed to get a majority by not really saying anything of substance
I guess, but I passionately believe the Conservative Party is fucked because half of it is now made up of traditional Labour voters. Everyone hated Jeremy Corbyn so they elected a load of no-hoper MPs who were never expected to win, and those MPs aren't going down without a fight. And they represent people who, apart from Brexit, oppose everything Margaret Thatcher and Jeremy Hunt and George Osborne and Norman Tebbit have ever stood for. It's like we have an all-blue hung parliament.
>> No. 97499 Anonymous
5th February 2023
Sunday 5:17 pm
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>>97498

It's interesting to note how much of the rhetoric of Truss and her supporters is starting to sound like Corbynite apologia - it would have worked if she had been allowed to try, the party was conspiring against her, it's just the establishment protecting the status quo.
>> No. 97500 Anonymous
5th February 2023
Sunday 7:44 pm
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>>97498

Pretty accurate assessment, except I don't think Corbyn was really as wildly disliked as that. Voters didn't like him, but they have never really liked any politician, and will ultimately still hold their nose to vote for their team unless there's other forces at work.

He did much better in 2017 against may, personally I attribute his 2019 failure more to the killer slogan of "Get Brexit Done", and his foolish decision to cave to the party's second referendum policy. If it wasn't for that it wouldn't have been near as bad of a landslide.

But yes, it was always going to be trouble for the Tories winning on such a wave of defections. Them chickens are coming home to roost.
>> No. 97501 Anonymous
5th February 2023
Sunday 9:49 pm
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>>97500
>He did much better in 2017 against may, personally I attribute his 2019 failure more to the killer slogan of "Get Brexit Done", and his foolish decision to cave to the party's second referendum policy. If it wasn't for that it wouldn't have been near as bad of a landslide.

Come on Corbyn-lad. He only did so well in 2017 because May became so overconfident she thought she could take on the elderly because the opposition literally didn't exist. We were even talking about the danger this posed at the time while Tories addressed their No.10 correspondence to "mummy".

Had Labour actually been running a half-way decent centrist candidate like Liz Kendall then our country might still work somewhat.
>> No. 97502 Anonymous
5th February 2023
Sunday 10:24 pm
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>>97500

Even within the party, Starmer polled better as a leader than Corbyn long before the 2019 election.

I canvassed for Labour in 2019 in what was a very safe Labour seat. Outside of the die-hard socialists, Corbyn was powerfully unpopular on the doorstep, in a way that suggests a sort of anti-charisma. A lot of people - even people who didn't follow the news and barely knew who he was - disliked him on a personal level. He spectacularly failed on the "I'd go for a pint with him" dimension, on which Savile and Johnson excelled.

Politicians aren't a likeable bunch, granted, but Corbyn had absolutely nothing going for him other than ideological purity. He wasn't warm, he wasn't witty, he didn't come across as trustworthy or authoritative, he wasn't even forgettably bland - he made people's skin crawl.

It's easy to blame the tabloids and they undoubtedly had it in for Corbyn, but he gave them such an easy ride. The papers will always cherry-pick photos where someone is pulling an unflattering face, but you didn't need to go through more than half a dozen photos of Corbyn to find one where he looked like he'd just got a whiff of dog shit. They didn't force him to dress like a carpet-bagger. They didn't force him to take the bait every fucking time and equivocate on questions that the overwhelming majority of the electorate considered to be unequivocal.

I don't mean to re-hash old arguments, but I'm absolutely convinced that Labour's failure in 2019 was overwhelmingly the fault of Corbyn, because so many people told me as much on the doorstep. Johnson wasn't unstoppable and the Red Wall voters were pushed away from Labour as much as they were pulled towards the Tories. The Labour party lost their fucking minds for a bit, but mercifully the Tories are having a go at pretty much the same thing. At least Liz Truss has spared Corbyn the ignominy of being the least popular party leader in the history of polling.
>> No. 97503 Anonymous
5th February 2023
Sunday 10:52 pm
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>>97500
>except I don't think Corbyn was really as wildly disliked as that

Nope nope nope. I'm a shy Tory who has often voted Labour. Corbyn was pure poison. It's tragically hilarious even seeing interviews with him now about various things and how awful he is. The failure of the Labour party to be an effective opposition and put in a guy that was clearly unsuitable for the job contributed to Brexit in my view.

The only real thing stopping Labour right now is the Corbyn hangover.
>> No. 97504 Anonymous
5th February 2023
Sunday 10:54 pm
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>>97502

All that being true, that's not what did him in. Nobody else the party had to offer in 2019 would have won on a second referendum manifesto, against Get Brexit Done. Simple as that.

Corbyn didn't help their chances, but the election was decided on Brexit, not him.
>> No. 97505 Anonymous
5th February 2023
Sunday 11:03 pm
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>>97504
>Corbyn didn't help their chances, but the election was decided on Brexit, not him.

The lack of Labour opposition to Brexit caused it.
>> No. 97506 Anonymous
5th February 2023
Sunday 11:04 pm
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>>97503

The thing is that it's all too easy to just blame everything wrong with the party for the last few years on the Corbyn years, and end up failing to learn from an address much more integral, deeply ingrained flaws within the party.

Labour was haemorrhaging voters for years long before Corbyn because people up north in post-industrial shitholes perceived it to have sold them out in favour of the immigrants. The party needs to grab that bull by the horns if it's ever to be successful again in the long run.

Blaming everything on one unpopular leader is just reductive.
>> No. 97507 Anonymous
6th February 2023
Monday 12:20 am
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>>97506

>Labour was haemorrhaging voters for years long before Corbyn because people up north in post-industrial shitholes perceived it to have sold them out in favour of the immigrants. The party needs to grab that bull by the horns if it's ever to be successful again in the long run.

I don't disagree with your first sentence, but immigration (in general, not the specific issue of small boat crossings) has almost disappeared as a high-salience issue since Brexit. It wasn't immigration that bothered voters, but the perception that immigration was out of our control. Most voters aren't actually bothered about numbers of immigrants as long as they believe that it's being managed, hence the huge drop-off in salience after the referendum and the very high salience of small boat crossings despite the relatively low absolute numbers.

Sorting out the small boat crossings is an easy win for any government that understands this - I think that Starmer's team probably do and the current government certainly don't. Patel and Braverman have tried to make deals with France to stop the flow of refugees, but the French are never going to accept that; we could very easily make a deal that facilitates an orderly, managed flow of refugees from a processing centre in Calais into properly dispersed and resourced refugee accommodation in the UK, with prompt processing of asylum claims.

The current government's immigration woes are mainly a product of an insistence on very strict controls on numbers, combined with woefully inadequate funding for enforcement and processing.
>> No. 97508 Anonymous
6th February 2023
Monday 12:54 am
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Let's conveniently gloss over Corbyn being the most smeared politician in recent British history. Nothing to see here folks. It woz obviously Corbyn's radical pro-daft militant wog, anti-jew agenda wot done it.
>> No. 97509 Anonymous
6th February 2023
Monday 12:58 am
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>>97507
>we could very easily make a deal that facilitates an orderly, managed flow of refugees from a processing centre in Calais into properly dispersed and resourced refugee accommodation in the UK, with prompt processing of asylum claims.

Okay, but it's the surge of Albanian youths being trafficked that sparked the story back in November so it won't solve the problem at all. Labour will just have the same problem if not worse because they're likely to exacerbate the problem for internal party reasons.

The whole thing is very simple to solve - Britain commits to taking X number of refugees a year from a given crisis area, we can set this as generous, and then everyone else can fuck off even if it takes compulsory ID cards to do it. We try to cajole the rest of the world to follow us so that the processing system essentially becomes a UN operation where you can either take the numbers or pay into the system.

Calais as it stands is home to a monstrous industry and once a asylum seeker, if they apply, is rejected then they don't just turnaround and go back home. Labour is doing nobody any favours and the Conservatives are simply unable to approach immigration in a sensible fashion.
>> No. 97510 Anonymous
6th February 2023
Monday 1:58 am
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I cannot believe there are people who think that think the way to victory in the 2019 GE was "do more stop Brexit stuff". The Libdems lost even more seats, including their party leader's, which was in Scotland of all places, while being as anti-Brexit as possible. You'll get no argument from me that Labour's campaign was a complete hash, but turning the whole party into Change UK wasn't the antidote.
>> No. 97511 Anonymous
6th February 2023
Monday 3:20 am
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>>97508
>Let's conveniently gloss over Corbyn being the most smeared politician in recent British history.

Respectfully just fuck right off. Corbyn is the most corrupt, the most dishonest politcal leader we have had in recent British history.
>> No. 97512 Anonymous
6th February 2023
Monday 5:36 am
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>>97511
Off your meds, schizolad?
>> No. 97513 Anonymous
6th February 2023
Monday 7:10 am
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You're obsessed.
>> No. 97514 Anonymous
6th February 2023
Monday 12:37 pm
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>>97511

It's really impressive people can still hold a sentiment this strong about someone who was only ever leader of opposition, in the face of just who exactly we've have over the last couple of years. Utterly incredible.

You can say Corbyn was unpopular, and that he made a lot of mistakes as party leader, and those are pretty uncontroversial facts. But I'm pretty sure compared to the spectacular sleaze of the Tory party's recent history he comes out a saint by comparison, and even the true believers in gentrified home county Village Upon River territory would have a hard time denying it.

This is just deranged.
>> No. 97521 Anonymous
10th February 2023
Friday 2:16 am
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I can't quite believe Liz Truss still has allies in the Tory party. Or rather that those allies aren't telling her she should just not say anything for about 20 years until the alien's bombardment rays have destroyed any evidence she was ever PM.
>> No. 97543 Anonymous
8th March 2023
Wednesday 12:13 am
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Does not look like a winner.
>> No. 97544 Anonymous
8th March 2023
Wednesday 12:49 am
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>>97543
It shows the extent to which this country has moved to the left that the anti-immigrant talking points have gone from "they're coming over here illegally to rape women and throw acid on your daughters" to "those poor unfortunate refugees really are not receiving very good customer service from the people they pay to bring them over here". That's how unpopular the Conservative Party are now. They still need to hate immigrants, because it's part of their whole thing, but their immigrant hatred needs to be phrased like they're standing up and defending them because that's how sick everyone is of their bollocks.
>> No. 97545 Anonymous
8th March 2023
Wednesday 3:29 am
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>>97543
What happened to "going after the gangs"? Is it impossible or is the NCA just plain useless? I wish someone would put this government out of it's misery, it's painful enough to watch, let alone live under.
>> No. 97546 Anonymous
8th March 2023
Wednesday 4:12 am
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>>97545
The gangs have been considerably more active since Brexit, which is something Sunak and Co. will never openly acknowledge.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9031/
>> No. 97547 Anonymous
8th March 2023
Wednesday 10:18 am
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>>97545

>What happened to "going after the gangs"? Is it impossible or is the NCA just plain useless?

People started crossing in small boats because post-Brexit customs arrangements make it considerably harder to cross the border in the back of a lorry.

Putting a load of people on an inflatable boat and shoving them in the general direction of the British coast is not a complex criminal enterprise. As long as there are people willing to pay to make the crossing, there will be at least one bloke in Calais with a foot pump, a compass and a WhatsApp group.

The French could put more effort into arresting those blokes, but they aren't particularly incentivised to do so and it wouldn't really make any difference; much like the drugs trade, it's almost impossible to eradicate a market where there are willing buyers and willing sellers.

If this was actually about stopping the boats, it'd be trivial to solve. The French would be more than happy to make a deal in which we agree to take our fair share of refugees and they agree to process them in an orderly fashion and stick them on coaches in manageable batches. They've got their own right-wing papers splashing nasty headlines about the chaos at Calais and the creation of a safe and legal route across the channel would be a win-win.

It seems that the government are concerned with stopping the people, which the French obviously have no incentive to help us with. "Let the French deal with them" is not a viable negotiating position if you aren't willing to offer anything in return. The French already accept far more refugees than we do and they absolutely could not give a shit about the electability of the Tories.

Some Tory back-benchers might believe that "Brexit freedoms" mean that we can dictate terms to the rest of the world, but that's not how it works. Sunak obviously knows this, but he doesn't have the political capital to confront it.
>> No. 97548 Anonymous
8th March 2023
Wednesday 12:06 pm
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Couldn't we set up a British consulate or something in Calais to process asylum applications over there? That would solve every single problem of people trying to cross (unless they really are just thieves, rapists, and the dreaded "economic migrants" whom it is okay to shoot torpedoes at), plus it would create a handful of beautiful British jobs for British workers, and all it would cost is exactly the same money we spend over here anyway doing the same thing.
>> No. 97549 Anonymous
8th March 2023
Wednesday 12:33 pm
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>>97548

Of course we could. The whole "safe, legal routes" rhetoric is just a cunt's trick - we're happy to accept refugees who come via safe legal routes, so long as we don't have to actually create any safe legal routes. It's blatant cowardice.

This whole ungodly mess is entirely down to the unwillingness of the Tories to deal with reality. It's Brexit cakeism writ large. They don't want to uphold their obligations under the UN Convention on Refugees, but neither do they want to deal with the consequences of flagrantly disregarding international law. They want to pretend that Britain is a compassionate and welcoming country without actually being compassionate or welcoming.

I've considered the possibility that they're just fucking it up on purpose to keep immigration in the headlines, but if that is their plan then it's just making them look weak. Stoking up a problem for your own political ends only works if you then do actually fix that problem. I try to be fair-minded, but the most charitable interpretation I can think of is that they're just too incompetent to actually get anything done, so the best they can manage is yet another round of legislation that'll probably get shot to pieces by the Lords.


>> No. 97550 Anonymous
8th March 2023
Wednesday 2:09 pm
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>>97549
They seem to be copying the Australian playbook from ~10 years ago for dealing with the issue.

As long as the Tories can posture and find a scapegoat I don't think they care too much about reality.
>> No. 97551 Anonymous
8th March 2023
Wednesday 2:47 pm
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>>97550

The Aussies did actually build detention and processing centres on Nauru and PNG. Their approach might be inhumane, but at least it's reasonably competent. Braverman has already admitted that she has no idea how she'd actually implement the new legislation. Even if we could send people to Rwanda, they've only agreed to take a few hundred people in total. Our prisons and immigration detention centres are all overcapacity, so decreeing that we'll detain anyone who crosses the channel illegally is entirely academic because we've got nowhere to put them.
>> No. 97552 Anonymous
8th March 2023
Wednesday 5:19 pm
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>>97550

>As long as the Tories can posture and find a scapegoat I don't think they care too much about reality

Bingo, and that's exactly how it has been for the last 13 years. It's exactly what Brexit was all about. It's the everything of our politics within probably the whole adult life of most posters here.

As long as there's a scapegoat (immigrants, scroungers, etc), and a dominant right wing gutter press to bang on about them and make them into real and present threats in people's minds, the Tories keep winning. The Tories get to position themselves as the only ones "taking a stand" and your average voter believes them, regardless of the fact they've pretty much done precisely fuck all about it, ever. It's in their interest not to, in fact, so that they can keep on doing it.

Immigration has consistently risen over the last 13 years. Simple as that. It doesn't matter whether you are pro or anti migration, the fact is undeniable that the Tories are nothing but charlatans.
>> No. 97553 Anonymous
8th March 2023
Wednesday 5:21 pm
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>>97552
>As long as there's a scapegoat, and a dominant right wing gutter press
So long as there's the second thing, they'll create the first.
>> No. 97554 Anonymous
8th March 2023
Wednesday 6:56 pm
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Australia is one of the most geographically isolated nations on earth. Where the fuck are the boats coming from?!
>> No. 97555 Anonymous
9th March 2023
Thursday 5:03 am
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>>97554
The ocean.
>> No. 97556 Anonymous
9th March 2023
Thursday 10:54 am
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>>97554

Indonesia. It's a long and hazardous crossing, but the Timor sea is somewhat sheltered and fairly calm during the summer. The main risk comes from the very poor quality of boats - it's too great a distance to cross using a cheap RIB, so they tend to pile a daft number of people onto an old fishing boat that was headed for the salvage yard.

Indonesia is itself an island chain, so a lot of refugees have made three or four boat crossings before even attempting the crossing to Australia. It's a looooong way from Afghanistan.
>> No. 97735 Anonymous
10th June 2023
Saturday 12:02 am
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It's all kicking off! Boris Johnson has resigned as an MP, triggering a by-election: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65863267

His resignation statement sounds positively deranged, blaming conspiracies in the way Donald Trump always used to do: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65863336

And on his way out, he handed out peerages and knighthoods to all his loyal simps, including his hairdresser: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65861936

But not Nadine Dorries, so she's quit too. As, to be fair, would I if I'd been making a mug of myself for nearly a decade only to then wind up totally betrayed merely because I'm a national laughing stock: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65860564

This is fantastic. This is what news should be about. I hope Uxbridge and South Ruislip's by-election brings in a non-Conservative as the final insult.
>> No. 97736 Anonymous
10th June 2023
Saturday 12:55 pm
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>>97735
>including his hairdresser

She's not his hairdresser, she's a long-serving hairdresser for Parliament. Someone who has cut hair for decades across political divides. This is the fault of lazy reporting and people like yourself who get too excited and ultimately make a twat of yourself to the working class.
>> No. 97737 Anonymous
10th June 2023
Saturday 6:11 pm
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>>97736
>Someone who has cut hair for decades across political divides.
I think all hairdressers do that.
>> No. 97738 Anonymous
10th June 2023
Saturday 7:10 pm
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>>97737
And none of them have shaved a cock and balls on the top of my head yet so I'm inclined to let Kelly have her lifetime achievement award for services to Parliament. Only the baldies can stop her rise to power.

The better question should be whether Rees-Mogg is really getting knighted for leading fracking that finally gave Truss a death-blow.
>> No. 97761 Anonymous
13th June 2023
Tuesday 10:31 pm
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>>97735
>But not Nadine Dorries, so she's quit too
The writs for by-elections to replace Johnson and Adams are coming tomorrow. There isn't one for her constituency because apparently she hasn't formally resigned yet. The best theory is that she hasn't figured out that she does actually need to apply for a Crown Steward office to make it take effect.
>> No. 97872 Anonymous
29th July 2023
Saturday 10:54 am
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It's funny seeing all the right-wing media try to pivot to ULEZ expansion outrage. Apparently it's their silver bullet against electoral collapse, despite the other two by-elections they got hammered in, no one beyond the M25 caring and still only barely holding onto Uxbridge anyway.
>> No. 97901 Anonymous
28th August 2023
Monday 11:26 am
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Nadine Dorries's legendary resignation letter really ought to be posted here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66631019

It's not as good as everyone says it is. I'm just bored.
>> No. 97903 Anonymous
31st August 2023
Thursday 9:20 pm
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I wish Grant Schapps would be garrotted with piano wire in front of his kids, on TV. Ba-dum-tsst.
>> No. 97904 Anonymous
1st September 2023
Friday 2:03 am
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>>97903
That's fine, Michael Green can always take over. They're like identical twins.
>> No. 97905 Anonymous
1st September 2023
Friday 11:34 am
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>>97903
It's edgy posts like this that will be brought up in our eventual show-trial. "Look, they even used a new spin on the minecraft me-me" before our mugshots will appear in the Daily Mail and we're implicated in the death of 'Liz.
>> No. 97906 Anonymous
4th September 2023
Monday 12:24 am
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I think my loathing has bottomed out. For years they knew half the public sector buildings in the country were at risk of collapse and the government kept shtum, but it's not really moved the needle on my hatred. I don't think I have it in me to form even more violent fantasies about cabinet ministers. I'm actually quite embarrassed. [i]Something, something...[/spoiler] Mel Stride... blood eagled... before West Ham's next home game? See; I'm bumping off the limiter.

>>97905
That's not edgy, that's going to be mainstream public opinion after a pediatrics ward crumbles like a Liz Truss premiership. Soon enough milquetoast tosspots like Sonia Sodha and Katy Balls will be quoting me in their weekly Key Stage 4 level essays.
>> No. 97948 Anonymous
15th September 2023
Friday 2:36 pm
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>Prime Minister Rishi Sunak has announced that the American bully XL dog will be banned, following a spate of recent attacks
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66775985

Wasn't this whole anti pit-bull thing a racist dog whistle?

I don't see why we can't address that the real problem is the owners who buy dogs and don't properly train and look after them so while you hear about big dog attacks you don't hear about every little shit Yorkshire terrier giving people a 'friendly' nip. It's also obviously just going to lead to shithouses buying the next aggressive breed.
>> No. 97949 Anonymous
15th September 2023
Friday 2:51 pm
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>>97948
Didn't realise Zoe Williams posted here.
>> No. 97950 Anonymous
15th September 2023
Friday 2:54 pm
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>>97948

I think the breed that actually bites the most is Jack Russell Terriers, which makes sense given that we train terriers to bite for rats and other small animals as quickly as possible.
>> No. 97951 Anonymous
15th September 2023
Friday 3:00 pm
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>>97948
>Wasn't this whole anti pit-bull thing a racist dog whistle?
Err, no? Fucking idiot.
>> No. 97952 Anonymous
15th September 2023
Friday 3:01 pm
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>>97948

It's a hard problem. Obviously poor training and supervision is the root cause of dog attacks, but dogs as big and powerful as an XL bully fundamentally change the risk equation. We're talking about dogs that can win a fight with a police horse.

You're entirely right that people will just breed their way around any breed-specific legislation, which might cause more problems than it solves.

If you were to hold a gun to my head and demand an answer, I'd suggest mandatory licensing for large dogs. Pick a weight limit - I'd say somewhere around 22kg - and any dog over that must be registered, insured and put through an accredited training programme. It's burdensome, it's imperfect, but I can't think of anything else that would actually reduce the impact of dog attacks in the long run.
>> No. 97953 Anonymous
15th September 2023
Friday 3:10 pm
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>>97948

The thing is, it kind of is still about the size and "dangerousness" of the breed even if the REAL issue is the training and handling etc. It's one thing if people are silly dickheads who can't train a dog, when the most that dog can do is nip your ankles and give you a bit of a puncture wound. It's quite another thing if that dog can crush your skull like a piece of polystyrene.

In general I dislike nanny state bullshit as much as the next guy but in some cases what else is there for it. It's either that or twice the effort for questionable benefit making certain breeds require licences or mandatory handling courses or whatever.

Even so I can't help but feel like the entire agenda has been artificially woven by a conspiracy of some bored THINK OF THE CHILDREN! housewives who sit at home reposting articles about killer bulldogs all over social media all day, as if there aren't a million more pressing issues in the world. It very much has that air about it. Like disposable vapes.
>> No. 97954 Anonymous
15th September 2023
Friday 3:17 pm
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>>97951
Err, yes. We specifically fixate on 'urban' breeds and the recent online trend of extreme hatred to pitbulls stems from the argument about something being genetically predisposed towards violence.

>Fucking idiot.

Learn to be civil. This is a British website.

>>97952
I was actually thinking about horses themselves being the example here. We have stringent controls on them in terms of requiring a passport and microchipping but also the conditions that a horse must be kept are more defined than a dog - we could solve a lot of problems by setting space requirements for example and needing a passport should address the problem of puppy farms if it's enforced.
>> No. 97955 Anonymous
15th September 2023
Friday 3:20 pm
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>>97953
I think it's a given that the government is doing this because the commitment is essentially zero cost but the papers have started banging on about it. They still need to pretend they can win the next election after all.
>> No. 97956 Anonymous
15th September 2023
Friday 3:32 pm
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>>97953

>Even so I can't help but feel like the entire agenda has been artificially woven by a conspiracy of some bored THINK OF THE CHILDREN! housewives who sit at home reposting articles about killer bulldogs all over social media all day

Welcome to British politics. It's local Facebook groups and reposted Express articles all the way down.
>> No. 97957 Anonymous
15th September 2023
Friday 3:49 pm
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>>97954

>the recent online trend of extreme hatred to pitbulls stems from the argument about something being genetically predisposed towards violence

Not really, or at least if that's what people are focussing on they are barking up the wrong tree.

It's not about the predisposition, it's more just the capability. Same reason we don't tolerate guns and knives and so on. They're only as dangerous as the people who own them, and unfortunately a great many people are too irresponsible to be trusted owning them.
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15th September 2023
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>>97957
>barking up the wrong tree
>barking
ehehehehehehe

Anyway, good luck to any political party that’s willing to literally kill puppies because they’re illegal now. Have fun winning votes with that one, Cruella de Vil.
>> No. 97965 Anonymous
3rd October 2023
Tuesday 9:16 pm
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They've gone and cancelled what little was still left of HS2.

Surely that's the final nail in the coffin for this shit show? All they are doing right now is cementing their support from NIMBY pensioners, at the expense of the entire rest of the country. They can hold a tiny foothold of a voter base on that, but they have all but admitted defeat.
>> No. 97966 Anonymous
3rd October 2023
Tuesday 10:48 pm
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>> No. 97967 Anonymous
3rd October 2023
Tuesday 11:10 pm
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>>97965
Don't be silly. They're going to use the money saved on HS2 to invest in making everything else good for everyone. The fact that they haven't promised a single new investment anywhere, and aren't going to, is simply because they have not carried out even the most cursory research into any alternatives for the country. What great leadership!

If they started building in Manchester and worked their way south towards London, I bet they wouldn't have cancelled it. But it's all moot anyway because train strikes are here to stay and there won't be anyone to drive the HS2 trains in 2040.
>> No. 97968 Anonymous
4th October 2023
Wednesday 6:03 pm
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>Rishi Sunak said more must be done to “try and stop teenagers taking up cigarettes in the first place” as he set out plans to introduce a new law banning tobacco sales to anybody born on or after January 1 2009.

Don't get me wrong, as a former smoker I'll even agree with you that smoking is bad and you should probably never start. But this is a bit too nanny state.

And once smoking is outlawed, they'll go after alcohol and beer drinkers in search of a new grandstanding opportunity.

Don't think for a moment that Sunak himself personally gives a toss if you smoke or not.
>> No. 97969 Anonymous
4th October 2023
Wednesday 6:23 pm
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>>97968

It also seems pretty cynical to introduce a law where most of the people affected by it had no chance to vote for or against it, in even the most indirect way.
>> No. 97971 Anonymous
4th October 2023
Wednesday 6:35 pm
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>>97969
I doubt the five teenagers who would object to this are an important voting demographic. It's cynical in that it'll affect nobody and do nothing while still sounding good to whoever's left. The measures to do with vaping may do good, if they're not just hot [moist] air.
>> No. 97972 Anonymous
4th October 2023
Wednesday 6:57 pm
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>>97971

>It's cynical in that it'll affect nobody and do nothing while still sounding good to whoever's left

Also, while you and me as members of the educated middle class agree that a total ban on smoking can be beneficial to public health, it's one of the few pleasures you've got if you're skint and living on a council estate with fuck all else to do every day. I'm not saying that that means you wouldn't be healthier if you quit smoking even if you're lower class. But it's not the first time that upper class do-gooderism ends up doing nothing to improve the quality of life of people at the bottom end of society.

Yes, if they get cancer from it then that's a massive decrease in their quality of life right there, but again, you're not putting yourself in their shoes. You can be a bigot all you want about how good it would be if nobody smoked. But to them, it's just another thing you're taking away from them.
>> No. 97973 Anonymous
4th October 2023
Wednesday 7:05 pm
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>>97972
The five teenagers who still smoke will just have to find something else to do. If this was twenty or even ten years ago I'd agree with you but it's not really true of that generation. I think the energy you're using to defend smoking would be better placed in improving people's lots, rather than letting them have just enough that they won't aspire to more. You're arguing in favour of bread and circuses.
>> No. 97974 Anonymous
4th October 2023
Wednesday 8:01 pm
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>>97973

>would be better placed in improving people's lots, rather than letting them have just enough that they won't aspire to more.

They can eat cake on their own time. You're not wrong, but that isn't going to happen under an MP whose personal wealth together with his wife is three-quarters of the UK's entire annual unemployment benefits budget.

Look it up, it's true.
>> No. 97975 Anonymous
4th October 2023
Wednesday 8:04 pm
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>>97974

>under an MP

*under a PM, obviously.

Sorry, long day.
>> No. 97976 Anonymous
4th October 2023
Wednesday 8:06 pm
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>>97973

It's just a weird policy. Youth smoking is practically extinct, because vaping is cheaper, tastier and drastically safer. Why bother to introduce a draconian, burdensome policy that might have significant unintended effects (see: the effects of literally all drugs policy ever) when, based on current trends, there won't be any young smokers at all by the early 2030s.
>> No. 97977 Anonymous
4th October 2023
Wednesday 8:12 pm
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>>97974

I probably have the same view of him as yours.

>>97976

My current theory is it's an ego thing; he wants to be or think of himself as the prime minister who ended smoking in the UK.
>> No. 97978 Anonymous
4th October 2023
Wednesday 8:17 pm
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>>97968
Imagine being a 40 year old man with a house, family and a thriving pornography and weapons trade business but you can't have a ciggie because you're not old enough. You pull up in your HGV to a local Tesco and nervously pass your "Roger MuchMore" fake ID over the counter that has been forged by the world's finest forger only to discover that the apprentice behind the counter has studied art history and can pick up that the ink used that couldn't possibly have been around when your passport was printed.

What an nakedly absurd way to go about public policy. I quit smoking 3 years ago and I now want to spark up just to tell the government to go fuck itself.

>>97969
I think it's a bit like turkeys voting for Christmas. The obvious impact of this will be that tobacco will be de-facto banned because shops won't want to mess about with it for a (more) terminally declining clientele which will be majority older Tory voters.

You wouldn't think this was such a pressing electoral issue now given the falling numbers, the vanishingly small extremists who must exist wanting it and the loss of tax revenue. Plus all that whinging about black market tobacco a few years back.
>> No. 97979 Anonymous
4th October 2023
Wednesday 8:37 pm
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>>97977

>he wants to be or think of himself as the prime minister who ended smoking in the UK

I guess that's one way to build your legacy, faced with what could become a crushing defeat in the elections.

So that looking back, we'll all say never mind that he got the worst Tory election results in history, at least he got five teenagers off fags.
>> No. 97980 Anonymous
4th October 2023
Wednesday 8:56 pm
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>>97978
It seems on the face of it unenforceable. Alcohol prohibition didn't work, cannabis prohibition doesn't work, this definitely won't work either.

And I pity the poor sods working retail who will have to ID every fucker walking through the door because Challenge 25 will no longer apply.
>> No. 97982 Anonymous
4th October 2023
Wednesday 9:12 pm
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>>97976
> Why bother to introduce a draconian, burdensome policy that might have significant unintended effect

Well if no one is affected, it won't be controversial, and the state will have a setup a precedent for crushing liberties that will allow it to do something worse next time around.
>> No. 97985 Anonymous
4th October 2023
Wednesday 10:00 pm
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>> No. 97986 Anonymous
4th October 2023
Wednesday 10:02 pm
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>>97980

It'll be like that episode of Family Guy where mayor Adam West signs a drinking ban for everybody under 50.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCsDB192wHI
>> No. 97987 Anonymous
4th October 2023
Wednesday 10:04 pm
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>>97985

Too little, too late.

And it's piss poor even for that.
>> No. 97988 Anonymous
4th October 2023
Wednesday 11:01 pm
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It feels to me as if all these piss poor announcements like the smoking thing and whatever the other shite was, are all just intentional distractions from HS2. It's not that anyone is particularly bothered about HS2, Because half of us never expected it to be built anyway and thought the money would be better used upgrading local lines and all that. That's another discussion and it's not the point.

The point is that it means this government just admitted that in over a decade of government, with some of the most stable majorities they've ever had, they couldn't even deliver on the one fucking thing that they've been talking about since the start. A government that has spent over a decade pissing money up the wall and all we have to show for it is one third of a half finished railway line.

They've no chance. They've utterly fucked it.
>> No. 97989 Anonymous
4th October 2023
Wednesday 11:44 pm
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>>97988
I liked the bit where Rishi Sunak admitted that the electoral system that is responsible for his party winning every election is a pile of corrupt horseshit. That was refreshing. And when he admitted that every single person in this country feels completely betrayed by his party and him specifically. It's like he knows that he's so far behind in the polls that he can't ever hope to win the next election, so he might as well come clean and admit the whole system is wank and possibly even introduce a few policies which the country needs but which the populace would never vote for. Of course, if that is what he was doing, then he's really missed a chance to tax old people for social care, abolish the triple lock, build a million new houses and introduce electoral reform.

Regarding HS2, he could be completely right that it wasn't going to be worth the money and that the money will be better spent elsewhere. But I don't think anyone believes that the money will be spent elsewhere. Every person in the North thinks they're now going to receive precisely fuck all, and I can't think of any way to convince us all otherwise. At least if we had our giant futuristic train line between three cities and nowhere else, there would be something to point to. Any improvements that happen now will just be perceived as improvements that were going to happen anyway. Extending the Manchester Metrolink to Stockport, which I think has been suggested, would benefit me far more than a space-train to London, but it's hardly going to inspire the same patriotic sense of success.
>> No. 97990 Anonymous
5th October 2023
Thursday 12:11 am
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>>97988
>Because half of us never expected it to be built anyway and thought the money would be better used upgrading local lines and all that. That's another discussion and it's not the point.

Those people are wrong by the way. The line would have not only taken demand away from other lines, principally around Crew, but Transport for the North were counting on it to deal with some of the mammoth costs of lines in the Northern Powerhouse expansion routes (it needs tunnels). This doesn't even get into the ridiculous capacity issues for freight and passengers running from the North to London that were a shitshow 10 years ago and have only gotten worse.

https://transportforthenorth.com/press-release/transport-for-the-north-responds-to-the-cancellation-of-hs2-to-the-north/

Here's a train-man doing an outstanding job trying to calmly explain it all and then slowly getting angrier and angrier as he hears himself explaining it:


We've just confirmed we're going to build a fuck-off expensive rail line that runs from Birmingham to about-London so that we can spend money on filling pot-holes. Probably also pot-holes in the South before the money mysteriously runs out.
>> No. 97991 Anonymous
5th October 2023
Thursday 11:08 am
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There will be a lot of jubilant dyslexic Tory voters today when they read that ‘the massive national trains project has been cancelled’.
>> No. 97992 Anonymous
5th October 2023
Thursday 11:27 am
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Should be a surprise to no one that when faced with such a mental policy of banning adults from tobacco the Labour party have come out in full support. Welsh and Scottish government are of course set to follow.

Are we a nation of curtain-twitchers or is that just the political choice we're given?
>> No. 97993 Anonymous
5th October 2023
Thursday 11:53 am
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>>97990

Yeah, I'm aware of all that, I meant more in the sense of never believing the Tories were going to follow through with it in the first place. Not that HS2 was a "waste" and that money is better used elsewhere because it's "better spent", but more pessimistically and pragmatically in the sense that under Tory management, money spent on HS2 is and always was money we might as well have just been dumping into the ocean.

Frankly I'm of the impression that the entire thing was just another long con to siphon taxpayer money into contractor's pockets, and it'll be interesting to see what becomes of all the land they bought up by compulsory purchase- Who's going to end up turning a tidy profit on that at bargain rates?

>>97992

Labour are just completely fucking mind-broken and trauma bonded with the idea that in order to stand a chance at election they've got to out-Tory the Tories, like the political equivalent of some band end hypnotism sissification hentai. They're terrified that any slightly leftward move will see the polls plummet and Sunak come out with a 400 seat majority.

It's tragic.
>> No. 97994 Anonymous
5th October 2023
Thursday 12:38 pm
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>>97993
I don't think this is a recent phenomenon, Labour has always had an authoritarian streak. It's the feature of our national politics that when a policy of government overreach is completely unpopular both parties will support it.

>Who's going to end up turning a tidy profit on that at bargain rates?


>> No. 97995 Anonymous
5th October 2023
Thursday 12:44 pm
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Will you fucking nicotineheads shut up about the smoking? "Buh-buh-but how are kids going to start getting lung cancer now? What about their increased risk of strokes?" This entire conference was full of bigotry and far-right conspiracy theories and you're crying tears about the shitest addiction drug on Earth?
>> No. 97996 Anonymous
5th October 2023
Thursday 1:22 pm
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>>97995

First they came for the smokers...
>> No. 97997 Anonymous
5th October 2023
Thursday 1:58 pm
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>>97996

Alcohol will be next.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-64887790
>> No. 97998 Anonymous
5th October 2023
Thursday 5:44 pm
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>>97997
It's what the anti-drug British public deserve.
>> No. 97999 Anonymous
5th October 2023
Thursday 5:57 pm
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So they went and promised to do a load of other things with the HS2 money itself. Within a day they've cancelled most of those, because they realised that the HS2 money was coming from HS2 itself, and without committing to building the rest of HS2, there is no HS2 money to spend elsewhere.

Well done, everyone. Great job.
>> No. 98000 Anonymous
5th October 2023
Thursday 8:04 pm
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>>97999
I have seen three or four times on Facebook that one of their promises was to extend the Manchester Metrolink as far as Manchester Airport. It has been going to Manchester Airport since 2014. Some Conservatives probably took it home from the conference, although I live on the route and it goes through arguably the grimmest parts of south Manchester, so perhaps they didn't.
>> No. 98001 Anonymous
5th October 2023
Thursday 9:39 pm
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>>97998

Drinking is obviously bad for you, but at some point you really have to start asking what kind of world those health advocates are envisioning for us. Fine, smoking is probably the single worst thing you can do to your health besides taking hard drugs. But loads of people go their entire lives just having an occasional social drink, and it has no real effect on their health, and they also never become alcoholics from it. So it's not the same.

Slippery slope arguments are often a bit silly, but if you really force people to give up anything and everything that has bad health effects, then before long we'll all live to 100 but we'll all be bored out of our fucking minds because all the fun things will be banned.
>> No. 98002 Anonymous
5th October 2023
Thursday 9:41 pm
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I looked up the joke that Rishi Sunak told about Nicola Sturgeon, which apparently got him investigated by the police. It's not offensive at all. No wonder the police took no further action.


>> No. 98003 Anonymous
5th October 2023
Thursday 10:21 pm
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>>98001

>at some point you really have to start asking what kind of world those health advocates are envisioning for us.

A fucking boring one whichever way you look at it.

I've never liked banning things, I'm prepared to accept it in the case of things like guns, but even then I think the hoops you have to jump through to even take up shooting as a hobby are way over the top. We're really not allowed to do fucking anything in this country.

When you scroll through the dating apps and all you see is people walking around the Lake District or climbing a wall, it's because those are the only kinds of fun we're allowed. Unless you're really rich, of course, then you can have a horse or a classic car for track days or whatever.

Fundamentally it's just because all they want us to do is work, eat, sleep, and repeat. Play a bit of your meaningless playstation skinner box when the existential dread gets too much.
>> No. 98004 Anonymous
5th October 2023
Thursday 10:29 pm
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>>98002
Where do you get your news, ladm9? Facebook? It wasn't reported to the police because it might cause offense, but because it might have been in contempt of court, according to a bloke from the Alba party anyway.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/oct/04/rishi-sunak-reported-to-scottish-police-over-joke-about-nicola-sturgeon
>> No. 98005 Anonymous
5th October 2023
Thursday 11:03 pm
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>>98003

>Fundamentally it's just because all they want us to do is work, eat, sleep, and repeat.

That's probably true. And I think it has a lot to do with American-style capitalism dominating the world, with its Protestant conservative work ethic demanding you put all your efforts in life towards work, and where living healthy isn't a choice but becomes dictate, and idle time is wasted time. All the while ignoring the fact that excessive work itself is bad for your health. Perhaps even treating work-related illness as a badge of honour. Your health is fucked, but hey, at least you were working your arse off.

To be fair, communist or socialist countries and societies were almost as obsessed with work. But for different reasons. You were gaslighted by state propaganda into believing that you were working for the advancement of socialism. I guess under capitalism, it's more about forcing the illusion of personal success of the individual, which we're given to believe is only actualised through work, and lots of it.
>> No. 98006 Anonymous
5th October 2023
Thursday 11:17 pm
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>>98005

Working yourself to the death for the prosperity of one's brothers and sisters is infinitely preferable to working yourself to death for the capitalist overlords, comrade.

I have hopes that AI and automation in general will impact the economy significantly enough that The Powers That Be are forced to reassess this arbeit macht frei mindset, and realign our lives around everyone working less, and even optional employment altogether, or else there will be nobody left to buy their plastic tat and the system will collapse. But I think we're going to see a lot of growing pains before that point.
>> No. 98007 Anonymous
5th October 2023
Thursday 11:37 pm
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>>98006

>Working yourself to the death for the prosperity of one's brothers and sisters

But were you. Most Communist Bloc countries were years behind the West with their basic standard of living, technical infrastructure and all kinds of other things, and most work was massively inefficient. You had to queue for hours for a pound of bananas. If they had them that one day every other month. While the elites and the intelligentsia behind closed doors pretty much led a Western lifestyle, where they had access to everything that the ordinary people didn't.

Capitalism is just as full of shit as socialism, if we're honest. But under capitalism, at least you get to have a 40'' TV, holidays in the Costas and two late-model cars in the driveway of your four-bedroom. If you're willing to work hard.
>> No. 98008 Anonymous
6th October 2023
Friday 12:06 am
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>>98007
>But under capitalism, at least you get to have a 40'' TV, holidays in the Costas and two late-model cars in the driveway of your four-bedroom.

You're doing pretty fucking well if you've got a four bed house, two cars, and foreign holidays. More likely you get to share a flat in an overcrowded city.
>> No. 98009 Anonymous
6th October 2023
Friday 12:14 am
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>>98006
>>98007
Lads, have you really never heard "they pretend to pay us, we pretend to work"? Marxist ideology was based on workers consciousness but even during the time of Marx it was being picked apart as a load of bollocks that was the ideological framework to put people in chains. Outside of swivel-eyed loons everyone knew it was a joke.

And Americans generally have a lot more freedom than us to smoke weed, shoot guns and have fun. They're also a lot more paranoid of the state, corporations less so but nobody wants to deal with the Swedish police listening in on everything and making you queue at the state approved alcohol store that shuts early. There's a puritan streak to Anglo-American culture but it is nowhere near as bad as our comparators and while Catholics gets more parties you also have the church.
>> No. 98010 Anonymous
6th October 2023
Friday 1:04 am
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>>98008

>You're doing pretty fucking well if you've got a four bed house, two cars, and foreign holidays.

Your cars are likely financed, and you've got a huge mortgage on your house. And both your cars and your house will disappear into thin air if you're out of work for too long.

In a funny way, you have more (and better) things in capitalism, but you actually own fewer of them compared to socialism.
>> No. 98011 Anonymous
6th October 2023
Friday 2:05 am
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Suella de Vil.
>> No. 98098 Anonymous
13th November 2023
Monday 8:49 am
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>>98011
... is getting the sack. It's probably not a big deal, she'll be back in six days. That's actually exactly how we should deal with the constant political dysfunction, just turn it all into a calcified festival of nonsense. I think someone had this idea years ago, back when Maybot was having a meltdown and kept bringing the same Brexit legislation to parliament knowing it wouldn't pass.
>> No. 98100 Anonymous
13th November 2023
Monday 9:35 am
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So, quite apart from having the first Home Secretary to know what a Fiend of Slaanesh is in James Cleverly, is this "reshuffle" a big enough kick in the face to the more extreme wing of the party to cause another civil war? I really hope so. I just want them to suffer.
>> No. 98102 Anonymous
13th November 2023
Monday 10:22 am
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>>98100
I think we're about to find out what austerity really means as an olive branch to the Truss wing. Jeremy Hunt has previously praised Cameron's ability to get the public to accept it.
>> No. 98103 Anonymous
13th November 2023
Monday 11:08 am
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>>98098
Who is the woman on the right of Olive Oyl?
>> No. 98104 Anonymous
13th November 2023
Monday 12:01 pm
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>>98103
Her right or our right? I think the women either side of her might be Michelle Keegan or Michelle Donelan or whatever her name is, and the other one looks like Therese Coffey but I don’t think it’s actually her.

I’m helping.
>> No. 98105 Anonymous
13th November 2023
Monday 12:48 pm
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>>98104
Her right. Thanks, lad.
>> No. 98106 Anonymous
13th November 2023
Monday 2:43 pm
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>>98100

In a weird way it seems like they are moving in the correct direction as a party, and yet at the same time a direction that will make them even less electable than they already are.

Putting Cameron in as Foreign Secretary shows it perfectly. He's competent, he's relatively moderate, and he's a remainer. In theory it's a good idea, but the hardliners out there who somehow still support the Tories will see it as a sign of a plot to re-join the EU, put us in the Euro, and make everything metric.

And that's not even to mention the fact he's a Lord- If there's not a single better candidate amongst their elected MPs, they're not just scraping the bottom of the barrel, they've bored through it and they're several feet into the ground underneath.

How's it work when a cabinet member isn't actually in parliament anyway?
>> No. 98109 Anonymous
13th November 2023
Monday 3:13 pm
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>>98106
The BBC website had a brief explainer on how it works. There’s no law that says you definitely have to be an MP to be a cabinet minister, and the last time this happened (I think it was Alec Douglas-Home in the 1970s), they hurriedly appointed him to the House of Lords and let him do it that way. But if David Cameron is a lord who has left politics, I don’t know if that means he’s in the House of Lords already or not.
>> No. 98110 Anonymous
13th November 2023
Monday 3:20 pm
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>>98109
They're appointing him to the Lords to be Foreign Secretary.

Major, Blair, Brown and Johnson have not been elevated.
>> No. 98111 Anonymous
13th November 2023
Monday 4:07 pm
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>>98110
Mad Nad must be madder than usual.
>> No. 98115 Anonymous
13th November 2023
Monday 4:59 pm
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Maybe the last few years of ARE DAVE sitting in his shed smoking dope and listening to vinyl might have made him less of a twat.
>> No. 98116 Anonymous
13th November 2023
Monday 9:08 pm
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>>98115
To be fair, he has presumably had real jobs in his time outside of politics. Maybe he's seething about life being an agonising dead end and forlorn hope too. Although I doubt any of his jobs were half as shit as mine is.
>> No. 98126 Anonymous
14th November 2023
Tuesday 1:35 pm
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>>98116
>real jobs

Bollocks, as if he's done proper graft like shelf-stacking or call centre work. Most likely the worst he's done is fluffing the Head Prefect. And we've all done that, just for a laugh or an eighth of red seal.
>> No. 98127 Anonymous
14th November 2023
Tuesday 2:05 pm
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>>98126
I think he's taking the piss.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/nov/13/greensill-scandal-david-cameron-cabinet

It's actually somewhat surprising how everything Cameron does turns into a cockup whether it be in business or his job as PM. His foreign adventures having included Libya, failing to get Parliament behind bombing Assad, cosying up to China and in his business life, er, cosying up to China and Saudi Arabia.
>> No. 98128 Anonymous
14th November 2023
Tuesday 2:14 pm
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>>98127
>I think he's taking the piss.

You don't say. I've known he was a chancer ever since reading the revelations around him and towel-folder Gideon getting into politics JUST FOR A LARF. What with all of pigfucker's shenanigans and the mysterious unsolved British Museum heists, they're both clearly the fucking Starsky and Hutch of Politics.
>> No. 98131 Anonymous
14th November 2023
Tuesday 5:38 pm
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Did you lads know this; Esther McVey, right, is a Liverpudlian and a Tory? She doesn't like to bring it up though, it's a personal thing for her.
>> No. 98133 Anonymous
14th November 2023
Tuesday 6:43 pm
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>>98131
That's like two reasons to hate her.
>> No. 98136 Anonymous
14th November 2023
Tuesday 8:29 pm
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>>98131
I must confess I did not know that her parents gave her up for foster care when she was born because they were so poor, then went and got her back when she was two. That does sound a tad grim; maybe she really could four-Yorkshiremen a couple of us at least. She's still awful, though. Pretty much all ghastly scrotes had horrible childhoods, and many of them don't join the Conservative Party, so it's really no excuse.
>> No. 98144 Anonymous
14th November 2023
Tuesday 10:38 pm
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>>98131

And she's technically a "wool", since she was MP for Wirral West between may 2010 to march 2015. Imagine being voted in by people from West Kirby.
>> No. 98148 Anonymous
14th November 2023
Tuesday 11:28 pm
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Suella Braverman's full resignation letter makes her sound like a mad bitch. But then, so does everything she says and writes, and it's got her this far. The whole thing is three pages long:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67416146

>I trusted you. It is generally agreed that my support was a pivotal factor in winning the leadership contest and thus enabling you to become prime minister.
I thought he lost the leadership contest though?
>> No. 98149 Anonymous
15th November 2023
Wednesday 12:25 am
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>>98148

She's basically the wrong sort of sociopath for Politics - an overt one. Should have taken notice of what Dorries (the other useless Scouse Tory) was saying about Gove, clearly the Mastermind of everything since he sneaked his way into Channel 4 - another enemy of Dorries. Anyway, with a bit of luck, we'll also get a book from Arse Uella chronicling the next greatest Anime Betrayal of our generation by her Idol.
>> No. 98150 Anonymous
15th November 2023
Wednesday 12:45 am
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>>98148
Technically Sunak didn't run against anyone in the 2022 October leadership campaign. However, in a fit of psychopathy Johnson returned to put his grubby feelers out and Mordaunt was almost going to run until it was obvious she wouldn't win, needlessly dragging out the second leadership contest that year. So whilst there wasn't a campaign in the usual sense, MPs did have to be convinced to make the lad with the tiny suits and tens-of-thousands of COVID-19 deaths on his hands PM.

As for Braverman's "resignation" letter, it sounds as if it's over the top for the Tory far-right once the judges have shitcanned the Rwanda plan. There is quite a bit of hoping and assuming on my part; hope that the Tories go completely ape and assuming that's what the judges rule tomorrow. Regardless, by next Chrismas I'm confident the entire battalion will be rotting in the mud.
>> No. 98215 Anonymous
7th December 2023
Thursday 5:10 pm
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When do you reckon the next leadership election will be?
>> No. 98216 Anonymous
7th December 2023
Thursday 11:23 pm
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>>98215
After the general election, I'm afraid. We've got Rishi till he loses. Let's face it: any Conservative MP that manages to hold onto their seat in the upcoming Labour landslide deserves to be party leader.
>> No. 98226 Anonymous
26th December 2023
Tuesday 12:22 am
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>> No. 98227 Anonymous
26th December 2023
Tuesday 2:17 am
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>>98226
Elf is a shit movie and I don't know why it's being spammed absolutely everywhere this year. It has to be a conspiracy. One that apparently goes all the way to the top.
>> No. 98228 Anonymous
26th December 2023
Tuesday 5:31 am
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>>98227

Sorry if this makes you feel old, but the people who watched that film as children are now old enough to be employed as social media campaign managers.
>> No. 98229 Anonymous
26th December 2023
Tuesday 1:55 pm
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>>98227
It's the most recent Christmas perennial, I think. It has overtaken the Muppets Christmas Carol, which I haven't seen on TV once this year.
>> No. 98230 Anonymous
26th December 2023
Tuesday 3:44 pm
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>>98228
Elf came out in 2003 so no, it's too old for that.
>> No. 98231 Anonymous
26th December 2023
Tuesday 3:52 pm
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>>98230
They didn't necessarily watch it when it came out. The Great Escape came out in 1963, and that's on Channel 4 right now, teaching a whole new generation of children where the music from England matches comes from.
>> No. 98232 Anonymous
26th December 2023
Tuesday 10:15 pm
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>>98227
I've never watched this fucking film because as far as I can tell the entire thing is Will Ferrell obnoxiously screaming in an elf suit. Yet it's constantly being pushed to me as a classic. Bizarre.
>> No. 98233 Anonymous
26th December 2023
Tuesday 10:39 pm
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>>98232
It's a film which plays to his strengths, like Jack Black and School of Rock or Jim Carrey and The Mask/Ace Ventura. Take that as you will.
>> No. 98234 Anonymous
28th December 2023
Thursday 7:04 pm
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>>98227
I've watched it once.
I found it ok, but the cultlike following and the endless branded shite that pops up every year for it is baffling.
>> No. 98235 Anonymous
28th December 2023
Thursday 9:57 pm
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>>98234
>I found it ok

I've been avoiding having a meltdown in this thread after being forced to watch Elf last week whilst heavily under the influence. Don't push me.
>> No. 98236 Anonymous
28th December 2023
Thursday 11:05 pm
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>>98234

It's got to be a generational thing. I was a teenager when it came out, I must have been about 13-16 because it was during the era you'd still get knock off DVDs and we didn't have fast enough internet to just pirate everything ourselves yet. I'm guessing that puts me just too old to feel nostalgic for it, but people just a couple of years younger than me are smack bang in the age range.

Besides I have never liked Will Ferrel. He exemplifies everything bad about American humour, to me. It's very obvious humour that beats you over the head to make sure you get it, which I suppose isn't a problem for very dim, simple people, but puts me off because I'm the kind of cunt who likes Stewart Lee.

Young people these days are just like that, though, aren't they.
>> No. 98477 Anonymous
24th March 2024
Sunday 1:35 am
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Has shakey Shapps started dying his hair?

Fucking hell, he's going to run for leader of the opposition by being Bojo-lite isn't he.
>> No. 99682 Anonymous
17th July 2024
Wednesday 9:25 pm
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>Priti Patel to run for Tory leadership
https://news.sky.com/story/priti-patel-to-run-for-tory-leadership-sky-news-understands-13179168

This matron. Can anyone even stop her at this point?
>> No. 99683 Anonymous
17th July 2024
Wednesday 11:50 pm
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>>99682

I know that everyone's tired of hearing me say that I want her to stamp on my bollocks and call me a worthless piece of shit, but it's not my fault that she keeps making that face.
>> No. 99771 Anonymous
29th July 2024
Monday 1:56 pm
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It was funny hearing at the weekend that Suella has gracefully pulled out. I'm sure it has nothing to do with shitting all over her colleagues and then finding out that as a result nobody supported her. She has, of course, given her own account that the Tories are meanies and everything would work out if only everyone listened to her:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/07/28/suella-braverman-no-point-leading-conservative-party/

My money is on Patel who has played the long-game by being quiet on the backbenches. Kemi will drop the ball by leaning too far into culture war and Mel Stride will ultimately come in a distant second.

>>99769
>All I know of him is he radiates the vibes of the old government

Thanks for letting us know early into your post about how your uninformed wish list is. It's a shame you also posted in the wrong thread.
>> No. 99773 Anonymous
29th July 2024
Monday 2:08 pm
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>>99771

>plain black unfinished bases

He doesn't base his minis, is that the sort of man you want in a position to potentially lead the nation?
>> No. 99780 Anonymous
29th July 2024
Monday 9:00 pm
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>>99771
>It's a shame you also posted in the wrong thread.
Is it 2022? Who do you think will win the World Cup?
>> No. 99781 Anonymous
29th July 2024
Monday 9:33 pm
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>>99771
Braverman may well be one of the funniest characters British politics has produced. At least now she's a million miles from government, anyway. An Indo-British, Enoch Powell, who's constant hyping by the demented right-wing print media made her both indispensable and a complete liability to the Conservatives. I find it genuinely hard to believe she was Home Secretary less than a year ago.

I, too, rekcon Patel might be in with the best chance. However, according to The Guardian "Patel has vowed to give grassroots members a greater say in how their party is run", which is a bit like giving the foxes a say in how the chickens are protected. If she wins and carries through with that idea she's going to spend the next 5 years banging on about eliminating inheritance tax and the looming threat of the fifteen minute city. Although, every other person I meet these days has absorbed some kind of conspiracy theory through their phone that "they" want to carry out, so perhaps it'll be a winner after all.

>>99773
My bi-annual defense of a Tory, this time around, is that the Dark Angel has had it's base decorated. However, as it hasn't had it's sword painted, it stands to reason that Cleverly takes an asymetric route to finishing his minis, meaning he could well be on his way to basing the Ultramarine. Also if he wins I'll make that photo my Steam avi.

>>99780
We've tried general politics threads before and they are complete pants. If more than two news story of note happens within a week they become harder to keep track of than a B-2 stealth bomber on a cloudy, moonless, night. More than one debate is basically impossible and the chance for misunderstanding increases dramatically.
>> No. 99782 Anonymous
29th July 2024
Monday 9:45 pm
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>>99781
>Although, every other person I meet these days has absorbed some kind of conspiracy theory through their phone that "they" want to carry out, so perhaps it'll be a winner after all.

I've seen quite a few pensioners complain that "Labour have started taxing the state pension" when in reality they mean that it is now greater than the income tax personal allowance. They won't listen to reason.
>> No. 99783 Anonymous
29th July 2024
Monday 10:15 pm
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>>99781

I'm going to propose we have a What Are Labour (the "government") Up To thread, but not start it til October so we can have Reeves holding The Briefcase as the front photo and the first 200 posts will be about how she's whacked taxes up 3 billion percent on stocklad's defence industry investments, watchlad's rolex collection, and vapeld's e-liquids.

Other political matters can have their own threads.
>> No. 99915 Anonymous
4th September 2024
Wednesday 6:28 pm
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Priti's out.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1d7y92n31zo
>> No. 99916 Anonymous
4th September 2024
Wednesday 8:58 pm
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>>99915
>The former immigration minister Robert Jenrick topped the poll of MPs with 28 votes
Fucking hell! He might actually be my least-favourite one. I hate reactionary mong fascists quite a bit, but at least Priti Patel was fit and Kemi Badenoch seems to genuinely believe what she's saying.
>> No. 99920 Anonymous
6th September 2024
Friday 6:01 pm
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So, is anyone from the "reasonable minds can differ" wing of the party in the running, or is it just reactionary fascist cunts?
>> No. 99921 Anonymous
6th September 2024
Friday 6:46 pm
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>>99920

I don't think there are any of those left - the one nation Tories have all stood down, lost their seats or drunk the kool-aid. Mel Stride is the least mental candidate in the leadership election and arguably the least mad Tory MP, but he's still quite mad. Obviously he's got no fucking chance, because the Tories are still in denial about why they lost and are busy convincing themselves that they just need to be even more mental.
>> No. 99922 Anonymous
6th September 2024
Friday 7:05 pm
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>>99920
I'd say so. The "reasonable minds" wing was mostly illusory in the first place. Any power or influence they held was entirely fleeting, Cameronism was the aberration and now they're back to "normal".
>> No. 99927 Anonymous
10th September 2024
Tuesday 10:33 pm
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>>99921
>Mel Stride is the least mental candidate in the leadership election
In the what now?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cg339l7xkr2o

>The former immigration minister Robert Jenrick finished top with 33 votes, with Kemi Badenoch second on 28 votes.
>James Cleverly and Tom Tugendhat got 21 votes each from Tory MPs, leaving Mel Stride with the fewest votes on 16.
I suspect it will come down to Rubber Jenitals and K-Badz as the final two. How awful.
>> No. 100150 Anonymous
8th October 2024
Tuesday 10:08 pm
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And now we've lost Tom Tugendhat: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd7x04vnng1o

>James Cleverly leapt into the lead with 39 votes, jumping from third place at the last vote, after what was seen as a strong performance at last week's Conservative Party conference.

>Former immigration minister Robert Jenrick came in second with 31 votes - losing two votes on last time. Kemi Badenoch came a close third with 30 votes - up two from the last round. Tugendhat received 20 votes.

>The candidates have no time to rest as MPs will select the final two tomorrow
I guess I'll be posting another update in 24 hours, then. Just as long as it's not Jenrick. I hate him so much.
>> No. 100151 Anonymous
8th October 2024
Tuesday 11:11 pm
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How come the Tories have so many ethnics running the show - is it the result of Cameron's recruitment drive?
>> No. 100152 Anonymous
8th October 2024
Tuesday 11:28 pm
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>>100151
"Ethnics" tend to not be very left wing, they only generally vote for left wing parties because the right wing ones have a reputation for being racist (and I'm not going to argue about whether they actually are racist or not because you could put it any which way, really).
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8th October 2024
Tuesday 11:56 pm
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>>100151
My theory has always been that the Conservatives want to have some racists on show, to attract racist voters, but white Conservatives aren't allowed to be racist so they need to promote people who are simultaneously non-white, eager to advance their careers, and not big fans of immigration.
>> No. 100154 Anonymous
9th October 2024
Wednesday 12:55 am
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>>100153

Exactly, it's purely for optics, it's a simple "look we can't be racist look how many browns we've got" smokescreen so they can keep on being racist; although by racist we really mean being overtly anti-foreign, but behind closed doors thoroughly pro-foreign because it keeps wages down. Bit of a double bluff, I suppose.

Which again, shows the hollowness of the identity politics the liberal part of the left always harps on about, because obviously when there's money in it said browns have absolutely no qualms throwing their own kind under the bus. Almost like the colour of their skin doesn't matter at all and only money and status does. Imagine that.
>> No. 100156 Anonymous
9th October 2024
Wednesday 3:35 pm
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Jenrick or Bad Enoch. What a time to be alive.
>> No. 100157 Anonymous
9th October 2024
Wednesday 3:36 pm
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Cleverly's out.

The membership will decide between Badenoch and Jenrick, so I guess that's the end for the party. Respect to Sunak for being the last Conservative Party PM, I suppose.
>> No. 100158 Anonymous
10th October 2024
Thursday 5:51 pm
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>One Nation Tory group refuses to back Badenoch or Jenrick in party leadership race
Holy shit, this is massive. A dozen irrelevant also-rans just voiced an opinion not even their own party give a fuck about.
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10th October 2024
Thursday 6:11 pm
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>>100158
It's still a decent chunk of the party as a whole, it's just that most of the MPs of that tendency lost their seats because karma is a cunt sometimes.
>> No. 100160 Anonymous
10th October 2024
Thursday 11:43 pm
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>>100158
>A dozen irrelevant also-rans just voiced an opinion

So you're saying the One Nation will soon become the new ERG and forever propel Britain in the direction of radical centrism? I quite like a bit of carrot and hummus so it might be alright.
>> No. 100414 Anonymous
2nd November 2024
Saturday 12:10 pm
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That's two minority global majority leaders in the a row. Is it time to put to bed the idea that the Tories are racists?
>> No. 100415 Anonymous
2nd November 2024
Saturday 12:12 pm
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Baddenoch's won. I think it's going to take her about two months before she does something incredibly off-putting to the median British voter that she can never row back from. However, I'm in a generous mood so perhaps I'm mistaken.
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2nd November 2024
Saturday 12:19 pm
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>>100414
>Is it time to put to bed the idea that the Tories are racists?

I dunno, but the Labour party are probably overjoyed right now because the electorate certainly are.
>> No. 100418 Anonymous
2nd November 2024
Saturday 12:32 pm
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>>100414
I think it's time to bring back phrases like "Uncle Tom" and "coconut".

>>100415
I don't think she's going to make any terrible gaffes. I am properly delighted that she's won. She's more competent than Robert Jenrick in every way, plus she will hopefully continue to be such a swivel-eyed fascist that nobody votes for her. She's a leader who can win back votes from Reform by listening to them, while Robert Jenrick would have been a leader who would just become Reform. And yet there's still a chance that the Conservative Party can still implode completely and finally cease to exist.
>> No. 100419 Anonymous
2nd November 2024
Saturday 1:38 pm
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I'm not predicting a full-blown gaffe, as such. I think Badenoch will struggle to hide her religiousity and her, dare I say, Trussite economic views. More and more they'll be exposed and I think they're opinions so out of step with the mainstream she'll wind up stuck with a bad rep. It's obviously not exactly how things will play out, but broadly her biggest issue will be being a God-botherer, with economic positions that couldn't look more discredited if they got hauled into a police station on charges of being completely crap and unworkable.
>> No. 100421 Anonymous
2nd November 2024
Saturday 3:11 pm
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>>100419

The pandemic (and the effects of 14 years of austerity making themselves undeniably clear) have fundamentally changed politics in this country. Furlough and the energy support scheme habituated voters to absolutely vast state intervention. Most people didn't really notice or care when it was the poor bearing the brunt of cuts, but they definitely care now that they can't get a GP appointment and the roads look like the surface of the moon.

The electorate want the impossible - American levels of taxation with European levels of public services. The next election will come down to how the parties square that circle. If Labour can make meaningful improvements to public services, they'll be in a strong position to argue "we put your taxes up, but look at what you got in return", which most of the electorate might grudgingly accept. Even if things have only improved a bit, they still stand an outside chance of selling the idea that they've got us through the hard bit and the sunlit uplands are just around the corner.

A populist leader could cause a lot of trouble for Labour by just bullshitting the electorate and claiming that they can have everything they want through mythical "efficiency savings" or by scapegoating dole scum or foreigners. The risk for Badenoch is that she'll be too honest, that she'll fly her right-of-Thatcher flag too proudly and make it clear that she wants a much smaller state. That'll go down well in the Home Counties, but it'll be a fucking disaster in the red wall.
>> No. 100422 Anonymous
2nd November 2024
Saturday 4:38 pm
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>>100421

Honestly I think we've gotten the populism out of our system now.

It's like I said long ago, and people doubted me, but I feel very well that I have been vindicated- Brexit will lance the boil. It more or less did. We had Bodger as the populist British Trump type figure, backing Brexit and making some vaguely lefty economic noises wrapped in conservative imagery, and he got the absolute landslide that anyone with half an ounce of understanding or experience with the British working class had known for years that such a strategy would. If it wasn't for the fact he turned out to be such a catastrophic fuck up, he might still be in office today.

I was saying for ages, the British public aren't voting for Brexit and the Conservatives because they were just crazy about re-heated Thatcherism, but the growing undercurrent of resentment to European integration and, in the bigger picture, globalism. With Brexit and Bodger we had a violent bout of diarrhoea that relieved years of constipation. People wanted to return to something more sensible much sooner but were never given the opportunity, because the loonies took over the asylum for a while after that.

Covid was a contributory factor of course, I don't want to just sound like I'm dismissing everything you said. Without covid it might have taken another couple of years for the rank incompetence to be seen for what it was. But I think we were heading this direction either way.
>> No. 100423 Anonymous
2nd November 2024
Saturday 4:44 pm
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>>100419
I actually wonder how far the god-bothering will knock her back - she could easily be the candidate who wins the black urban vote given the undercurrent of evangelicalism there. Couple that with the current budget being a bit optimistic for the OBR and the risk of a serious global recession and you have a recipe for the floor opening underneath Labour.

>>100422
I suspect the disappearance of One Nation Tories and the emergence of Reform might put a hole in your theory. We're certainly nowhere near as bad as Europe at the minute when it comes to the far-right.

Also:
>populism

Fuck off with that, optimate.
>> No. 100424 Anonymous
2nd November 2024
Saturday 6:21 pm
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>>100418

>I think it's time to bring back phrases like "Uncle Tom" and "coconut".

Dawn Butler has already come out and called her a house negro. Meanwhile James Cleverly seems to be doing a spot of trolling calling Kier "pale male and stale".

I swear to fucking god you lot never listen to me when I go on about how idpol is a pointless waste of neurons but just look at the state of all this. Can you honestly give a single reason why I'm wrong. You can't. It's pure fucking brainrot. All of it.

>>100423
>populism
>Fuck off with that, optimate.

I'm not sure I follow m8, I was talking about populism because the lad I was replying to was on about it.
>> No. 100427 Anonymous
3rd November 2024
Sunday 7:50 pm
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/nov/03/covid-bereaved-angered-by-badenochs-insulting-partygate-remarks

See, not a "full-blown gaffe", but besides her political opinions Baddenoch has to be right all the time. This is exactly the kind of thing a party leader would usually be willing to eat shit on, because dying on the hill of Partygate is just fucking stupid, especially on day three of being the Alpha Tory. Maybe I'll live to regret this when she has me sent to the spice mines after she's seized power, but I'm not worried about Kemi.

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