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|>>|| No. 3281
Have any of you chaps stopped using shampoo and conditioner?
I'm considering giving it a go, but I've heard that before your hair starts to clean itself (which usually takes up to 6 weeks) it can be a greasy mess.
|>>|| No. 3283
You still wash your hair - hot water to rinse off dirt and oils followed by cold water to make it look shinier.
Lighten up a bit lad and stop being so susceptible to peer pressure. Shampoo is not good for you.
|>>|| No. 3284
I've heard it smells and is shit for a few weeks/months, but apparently afterwards it looks excellent.
|>>|| No. 3285
I would like to see some results and proof of this working. I've never heard of anyone doing this before. Anyone I've seen not washing it ended up a dirty smelly sod.
|>>|| No. 3289
>I've never heard of anyone doing this before.
A movement began a few years back called 'no poo' to stop using commercial shampoo. There's plenty of blogs out there if you want to look for pictures of people's progress.
Commercial shampoo only became popular in the last 40 years due to propaganda from cosmetic companies that has now indoctrined people into thinking if they don't use shampoo several times a week they're a freak; before then many people just washed their hair with soap and it did the job fine. This is evidenced by our friend >>3282 smashing his ape like fists into his keyboard to inform us that he's in the 'developed fucking world' because he washes his hair with shampoo to show he's not a freak.
Shampoo creates a dependency on itself - it replaces sebum in your scalp with its own oils and if you don't wash your hair with shampoo again in the following days to get rid of the shampoo oils you start to feel greasy and dirty.
|>>|| No. 3291
It seems pretty sound, any lack of real research is for obvious reasons (who's going to fund that trial?). The only problem I have is when proponents of the idea say things like 'indoctrinated' and brainwashed and things like that. Makes me less inclined to follow their advice.
Either way, It's probably fine. I've certainly went a week or so without it when I've been in the great outdoors, and I felt fine.
My question here, though, is, if our hair is designed to be at its cleanest with just a rinse with water every day or so, what about the rest of us? Presumably the rest of our body would clean itself if we didn't use soap?
|>>|| No. 3292
Shampoo is just another development in personal cleanliness. It stops hair from becoming dirty, greasy, smelly etc, which of course were all acceptable for thousands of years but are now considered wrong.
You are a freak if you don't wash like the rest of us, because freak is a relative term by definition. Our culture values a certain type of cleanliness - one with ointments and perfumes - so straying from this is going to mark you out as a weirdo.
|>>|| No. 3293
The adverts on the telly say shampoo is good for my hair.
|>>|| No. 3294
Sadly, society makes us do things like "wash". The same can be said for deodorant - we have a natural smell, but we try to mask it with nicer ones.
When Westerners travel to certain parts of the world, the people there think we have an overbearing chemical smell because they're used to just ordinary human musk. If you've ever smelled a gorilla (go to the zoo, have a sniff) you'll work out the difference between our own type of clean and natural "clean".
|>>|| No. 3295
>go to the zoo, have a sniff
I did this and it ripped my nose and arm off. I wish to have your details so my lawyer can contact you.
|>>|| No. 3298
People used to believe smoking wasn't bad for their health.
>when proponents of the idea say things like 'indoctrinated' and brainwashed and things like that.
I'll try to include WAKE UP SHEEPLE in my next post.
>Presumably the rest of our body would clean itself if we didn't use soap?
Hair is different from the rest of our body as it's more likely to trap dirt, oils and sweat. I assume if you stopped bathing then your skin would become drier.
Not using shampoo doesn't mean you don't have to wash your hair. There are plenty of alternatives to commercial shampoo that aren't full of sulphates. The most common sulphates used in shampoo as foaming agents (SLS and SLES) are caustic and are also used in detergents and to degrease car engines. SLS is also absorbed into the body via skin application and many studies have shown it is bad for your health and it is known to mimic oestrogen. They are, relatively speaking, very cheap ingredients though.
|>>|| No. 3299
>The most common sulphates used in shampoo as foaming agents (SLS and SLES) are caustic and are also used in detergents and to degrease car engines
Oh, get fucked. I guess you shouldn't eat food or take medicine with glycerin in it, as antifreeze also contains glycerin, right?
|>>|| No. 3300
If you're using other products then there's nothing to worry about. OP is proposing letting his hair do its own thing, which is horrendous.
We don't tolerate the smell/look of unkempt hair, but more importantly there are chemicals we come into contact with which need washing off as they are far worse for your skin than shampoo ever could be.
Yeah people use this argument against everything and it's stupid.
|>>|| No. 3301
I see you chose to omit the park about it getting absorbed into the body via skin application. It is proven to be bad for your health.
Nice work quoting out of context there lad.
Actually, bugger knows why I'm getting embroiled in a debate over this, I'm not that arsed about it.
|>>|| No. 3302
To follow on from >>3301
There is also a difference between taking medicine, which happens infrequently, and massing into your scalp shampoo that contains chemicals that have been rated 10 on a scale of 0 to 10 as being an irritant.
In its final report on the safety of sodium lauryl sulfate, the Journal of the American College of Toxicology notes that this ingredient has a "degenerative effect on the cell membranes because of its protein denaturing properties." What's more, the journal adds, "high levels of skin penetration may occur at even low use concentration."
Interestingly, sodium lauryl sulfate "is used around the world in clinical studies as a skin irritant," notes the journal.
One of the most dangerous of all ingredients in personal care products, research shows that “SLS combined with other chemicals can be transformed into nitrosamines, a potent class of carcinogens that cause the body to absorb nitrates at higher levels than eating nitrate-contaminated food.” According to an American College of Toxicology report, SLS stays in the body for up to five days. Other studies show that SLS easily penetrates the skin and enters and maintains residual levels in the heart, liver, the lings, and the brain.
In the last 100 years or so, many new health problems have come to light. These include PMS / PMT, the so-called "menopausal symptoms" which never used to exist, and more recently a massive drop in male fertility which threatens our continued existence in many western countries. SLS is most likely a major contributor to all of these problems due to its oestrogen mimicking activity.
I know the links will have a bias, but the sources they use are decent.
|>>|| No. 3303
There are alternatives to shampoo which still involve washing. If you actually believe all this about the chemicals - especially the bit about shampoo making men infertile and threatening our existence (jesus fuck what really) - then use one of the many, many alternative shampoos out there.
But don't read sites like this because you'll just worry yourself over nothing.
>Actually, bugger knows why I'm getting embroiled in a debate over this, I'm not that arsed about it.
>Half a dozen paragraphs and three links
|>>|| No. 3305
>a massive drop in male fertility which threatens our continued existence in many western countries.
a massive drop in male fertility which threatens our continued existence in many western countries.
You take this seriously? Please do not.
|>>|| No. 3306
>If you actually believe all this about the chemicals
I'll admit that is hyperbolic, but it wouldn't surprise me if there was some degree of truth in it. There must be some negative side-effects from repeated use of shampoo.
Also, once I get into an internet debate I find it hard to stop, no matter how mundane. At least this hasn't turned into 'you have a different opinion to mine, so I'll insult you'.
|>>|| No. 3308
Do healthy people have a nice smelling body odour?
I was near a fat lass yesterday and she absolutely reeked. It was stonking.
|>>|| No. 3310
This, and, of course, a corpulent individual will sweat more. I was sweating buckets yesterday and I'm not even fat, so I can't imagine how much she was pumping out.
|>>|| No. 3313
When I used to drink copious amounts of Ribena my sweat started to taste slightly of blackcurrant juice.
|>>|| No. 3316
Why is infertility of the species not a serious thing to be concerned about? Extinction is a Bad End.
|>>|| No. 3352
Yup. I was never a frequent user anyway, only every week or so due to it drying my scalp out and turning my hair into a huge fluffy mess.
In July I decided to grow my hair long again and stopped using shampoo mainly to stop it looking shit. I still shower regularly of course and that entails rinsing my hair thoroughly with hot water which I find tends to wash out much of the greasiness without losing the natural oils and drying it out. I don't find that it smells at all and have had no complaints from the girlfriend or others around me so all in all I'm happy with the results so far.
|>>|| No. 3354
My hair gets very greasy very quickly and I have been told it is because I used to wash it every day. I've since tried to wait as long as possible before washing my hair but that's only a couple of days before it gets too greasy to be shown in public. This thread poses an interesting idea, I shall try washing my hair with water only or with soap and ditch the shampoo entirely, and see if that helps my situation.
|>>|| No. 3355
I would, but I have a scalp complaint that I need to use coal tar shampoo on otherwise all of my clothes get covered in dandruff.
My mate Tam did it for years with just hot water, his hair was fine. Ginger, but fine.
|>>|| No. 3356
OP here. I haven't used shampoo in 5 and a half weeks now and my hair is definitely showing some improvement, although I'm going to have a look into shampoo alternatives rather than rinsing with hot & cold water. I've even had compliments that it smells nice, which I wasn't expecting. My hair isn't long enough for me to smell it, but I assumed it would smell rabbit-esque.
|>>|| No. 3357
>>3354 here. I washed my hair with water only yesterday and it remained disgustingly greasy. I washed my hair with soap this morning and it's about as clean as it would have been with shampoo. I'll keep at it and see if my sebaceous glands will calm down.
|>>|| No. 3358
Washing your hair with soap has the unfortunate side-effect of drying out your scalp. Prepare for dandruff.
|>>|| No. 3359
Well what the hell am I supposed to do then? I can't use shampoo it gets greasy, I can't use soap it gets dry?
|>>|| No. 3366
op looks like the little girl from ratchet and clank.
|>>|| No. 3368
No. If it was then you wouldn't have to shampoo it and then condition it.
|>>|| No. 3370
Shampoo uses cleansing surfactants, conditioner (unsurprisingly) uses conditioning surfactants. You can't really build up a lather from conditioner.
|>>|| No. 3371
I thought the point was that shampoo strips the scalp of its natural oils and I've stopped using it so the oils can remain? What will conditioner do that my scalp naturally doesn't?
|>>|| No. 3372
I started going to the gym and using the sauna & steam room 3/4 times a week. Due to showering there and forgetting/not being fucked to bring shampoo, I've only used it on my hair once or twice in 5 weeks, yet it looks, feel and smell as clean as ever.
Saunas and steam rooms are your friend.
|>>|| No. 3378
Conditioners generally have proteins and fatty acids in it, but they also tend to have things like silicone and lubricants to make hair glossy and less prone to frizz/static/getting tangled. It's mainly used for keeping hair moisturised.
|>>|| No. 3478
Can't believe no one's mentioned the bicarb method yet.
I've been washing my hair with baking soda (sodium bicarbonate) and rinsing with citric acid (cheap on ebay) for a few months now and it's totally awesome. Clean hair, no dandruff, no toxins, etc. I just put a heaped teaspoon of the baking soda in a quarter cup of warm water, rub it into my hair/scalp for 2 minutes, then rinse with water. Then I rinse with a half teaspoon of citric acid in a quarter cup water and again rinse out with water.
Try it ladm8s. You'll thank me.
|>>|| No. 3479
I heard of this recently and was thinking of trying it once I've used up the shampoo I have. Although the method I found was to use a rinse of apple vinegar instead.
|>>|| No. 3480
Yeah I think any weak acid will do. Lemon juice is ok too. I just use citric caus one packet lasts for months.
|>>|| No. 3511
While we're on the subject of "no shampoo" tips: invest in a proper brush (one with bristles, not with tines) and use regularly. It helps clean your hair and keeps skin oils evenly distributed while also stripping off any excess, so your hair looks glossy but not greasy.
Wash that out with soap every now and then and it'll be a good companion for a long time.
|>>|| No. 4260
Slightly related and I didn't think it was worthy of a new thread; when Original Sauce put 40 limes in a bottle of shampoo does it actually have an effect or is it just a marketing gimmick that wastes a lot of fruit? It sort of remind me of medieval times when people used to believe rubbing all sorts on would cure all kinds of ailments or bring them good fortune.
|>>|| No. 4261
You know how (some) shampoos say 'if irritation occurs, discontinue use'?
A couple of weeks back, I thought that my head really wasn't always this scratchy. Stop using H&S, start using some hippy shit with a long list of 'doesn't contain'. As if by magic, no more scratchy, no more dandruff. What the hell?
It's not as foamy, but still washes the crap out of my hair (I sometimes work in really dusty gritty crappy places).
It almost makes a chap think that shampoo is an evil scam.
|>>|| No. 4262
You're probably sensitive to one of the perfumes or additives.
Shampoo is kind of a scam, it's just got conditioners and nice perfume stuff in it that makes your hair a lot silkier than if you washed it with dish soap (which is a perfectly valid way of washing one's hair). It's a bit like the difference between bar soap and liquid soap, but SLS is SLS is SLS at the end of the day.
It has the effect that you buy the bottle and it smells nice?
|>>|| No. 4263
Yeah, I was just a little taken aback that stopping using a dandruff shampoo stopped my dandruff... I'm OK with this.
|>>|| No. 4264
been doing this for almost a month, only washing it with with hot water in the shower
it's fine, looks healthy as fuck and isnt as frizzy/wavy as it used to be
the greasiness for a few weeks isnt anywhere nar as bad as you're thinking it's going to be, just go for it you'll be pleased
|>>|| No. 4267
I've not used shampoo since December. Or any shower gel, for that matter. All I use is shaving soap for shaving, and deodorant for not smelling like a tramp during the day plus occasionally a spot of hair wax.
The secret is to comb, in the shower and out. Exfoliates the scalp and untangles everything without rubbing unnatural chemicals into your skin.
|>>|| No. 4269
Is there something in the background or is your right ear humongous?
|>>|| No. 4272
>without rubbing unnatural chemicals into your skin.
So how's shaving with 100% organic badger sweat working out for you?
|>>|| No. 4275
If you've got a method of shaving that doesn't use chemicals or result in razor burn/rashes etc I'm all ears m8.
|>>|| No. 4276
It really fucks me off how people talk about 'unnatural chemicals' and the like
|>>|| No. 4277
Might as well ask this here. For most of the last decade I've had ling hair that didn't require much maintenance. I now have hair that is one, maybe two, inches long and I have absolutely no idea how I'm meant to style it or which gels, matt pastes or sprays I should be using. I don't want to waste money on products I won't need or use and I can't go to work looking like a 12 year old that has rubbed half a tub of his dad's Bryl cream on his bonce.
|>>|| No. 4278
Wax is usually a safe bet. You don't need to use a lot of it at all.
|>>|| No. 4282
I bath once every 3 weeks or so and wash my hair in the same water. Most of the time i cant be arsed to use shampoo, but conditioner helps a lot when untangling.
|>>|| No. 4284
I've gone 14 months without washing my hair now.
At first I added nothing but water, but now I use conditioner once a week. I think it's worth it. My hair feels thicker and softer, and I get a lot of compliments on my hair.
|>>|| No. 4285
How is washing your hair with conditioner '14 months without washing my hair now'?
|>>|| No. 4286
14 months without shampoo.
I did 12 months of nothing but water.
|>>|| No. 6178
I haven't had my hair cut in several months and I'm showering less frequency. I kind of like my hair like this; what are some good alternatives to shampoo?
|>>|| No. 6179
Just cut your hair off, its easier and better. Not washing it and keeping it is the worst of all worlds - protip: you end up smelling a bit like a sheep.
|>>|| No. 6180
I've recently been using the method of washing it thoroughly in just water, and then using apple cider vinegar as a conditioner.
It's amazing, it does a pretty good at stripping out dirt and a little excess grease, my hair doesn't get any more greasy after a day without washing it, and it's super smooth and shiny.
My dandruff is completely gone, nothing I've ever tried before has done that, I was just able to minimise it my using a good quality and mild shampoo from from parabens and glycols.
I've even noticed my nose and forehead are getting less greasy through the day even though I've changed nothing else.
At the weekends after all this hot weather and after a couple of bike rides, I've been finding my hair is getting slightly too icky though, so I've been doing just one very light wash with shampoo once a week.
Instead of shampoo, some people use baking soda to wash their hair in before the vinegar, but I'm not convinced by this idea, it definitely doesn't remove much dirt and it might actually damage your scalp and hair in the long term.
|>>|| No. 6181
I agree with this after experimenting with cold showers and conditioner. Your hair does get nicer and easier to style but the grease becomes a real problem which makes it a bit shit up-close. Now I just use shampoo once a week and accept that Saturday and/or Sunday my hair will be all too fluffy because there's no way to clean the grease out that leaves my hair unmolested.
Bollocks to cutting your hair at this point though. Better to hold out 2-3 weeks more rather than risk making a hash of it and damaging your hair.
|>>|| No. 6182
I've been cutting my own hair once every couple of weeks since this thing began - and into a style too, not just buzz all over.
People haven't noticed on Zoom calls and even in person (one person commented on how my hair's looking about the same as it was in March), so I reckon I could have a shot at this barbering lark.
The only thing is getting a straight line round the back; that's a bit wonky since I'm doing it with 2 mirrors.
|>>|| No. 6184
>The only thing is getting a straight line round the back
I can't vouch for it myself as I went bald before I learned this trick, but apparently you can wrap a belt around your head to guide your neckline. I feel like you might just end up with a bowl cut look unless you're very good at fading, but I don't know, I keep hearing about it.
There's also this which I'm sure is fine and not an insane object to own at all.
|>>|| No. 6186
>but apparently you can wrap a belt around your head to guide your neckline
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