>>8656

Lacking scientific research - ha! How low we've fallen. It's all out there. I don't pay for anything of Jack's. The sunrise is free. A can of Pilachards is 80p. The EMR-TEK light machine is under £200. The benefits are exponential BECAUSE they addresss the root cause.

The sunrise has more to it than you're stating. it is the download that I, the One (in you) Needs.

Belief is true, but it's nothing without the brain's correct neurotransmitters.

>>8658
So why do you communicate like any other generic nutcase? Yes, even and especially like the ones who believe antithetical things to you.

>>8659

Because a nutcase is needed. This is essnetially connection to nature. Go in the sun? Your thoughts aren't necessarily correct? Seafood provides the substratum for a healthy brain? Ludicrous!

It's not like the people in this thread are suffering immensely or anything like that...

>>8659

conted. I gurantee you, these guys are staying up late, sleeping when the sunrise is out, eating next to no seafood. They're drinking beer and spirits and white wine - Not Red!!!

These are simple fixes - literally go to the shop and pick uip a Malbec and get a can of Pilchards - Boom!

Set alarm for 7am. Might be a little difficult, if you like, but youlll get used to it and see what I mean!

Look (near) the sun and breathe Deep! This is the source of your happiness. The source of your creation. O2 + The immensity of Light.

For those curious and not sketpical:

Dr Jack Kruse on Facebook.

Click the search icon:

DHA, red light, sunrise, UV light, blue light, NNemf

>>8663
You missed forrest bathing.

>>8653
So meditate at sunrise (Contd) go for a walk
Eat fish.
Walk on grass sometimes.

If it helps, I'm all for it. For me, it will not.

Hello again lads. It's been a while. Tomorrow is my day 1, again. For good this time.

To embarrass myself into quitting I'm going to type a list of reasons I should stay sober.

1. It doesn't feel good anymore. Drinking in your mid-late 30s is nothing like drinking as a 20-something, not during and certainly not the morning/afternoon after. The overdraft I've taken out on my health is hitting its credit limit and I can feel it physically.
2. Family and friends. Drink like a one-man party and even your "normal" mates will kind of think it's funny and maybe join in occasionally when they have no responsibilities of their own. Different story when they have kids and a "proper job" and whatever else. I'm so alone now.
3. Money. I can see 40 on the horizon and I have no savings, I can track the years I met my pension contributions exactly to the brief spell about 6 or 7 years ago when I went sober for a while. With my skills and a bit of luck, coupled with historically low interest rates, I could have been on the property ladder by now but instead I'm living in a bedsit and that will never change even if I stay sober because I've officially missed the boat.
4. Time. I used to drink "to pass the time" on purpose. That is unbelievable to me now. When I've been sober I've really enjoyed being able to pursue interests and hobbies that don't really work the same if I'm drunk off my arse. Even reading a book and actually understanding/remembering what I read or playing Runescape and levelling efficiently/not getting pk'd instantly are a much better use of my time than staring into space listening to sad music.
6. Weight. I'm fat and I'm going to stay fat no matter what changes I make to my diet unless I stop necking lager every night.
5. Health. I've taken an overdraft out on my health and the payments are coming due. I take daily supplements for my kidneys and my liver (praying they aren't too fucked to recover) but have washed them down with booze more often than not basically every day the past few months.

>>8667
>I could have been on the property ladder by now but instead I'm living in a bedsit and that will never change even if I stay sober because I've officially missed the boat.
Maybe to own a house in that London, but otherwise I don't see how.

Woke up today and there was an unopened can on my desk. I honestly intended to throw it away at some point and started work. Around 11ish I decided to put the can in the fridge instead of chucking it, as I closed the fridge door I knew that it meant I'd be drinking again tonight. Which I am. I will probably have more leftover booze tomorrow than I did today due to having stocked up, the cycle continues.

>>8668
This is actually a really good point. I haven't really spent much time outside of London due to having been born here and having cared about little but having a place to quietly get drunk since I grew up. Do you recommend anywhere in particular? I work from home but I prefer city life to country life, mainly out of laziness about walking and not being able to drive.

>>8669

A lot of the commuter belt around Liverpool and Manchester gives you easy access to the city centre via train, with insanely cheap property by London standards. You could have a two bed flat in habitable condition, in a slightly grotty but not horribly crime-ridden area, with a train station on your doorstep, all for less than £50k. Forget about Leeds, the public transport is shit. Dunno about elsewhere.

Due to "misadventure" (blind drunk fell over and landed on something pointy) I mangled two ribs on my left hand side. It's a right fucker, not properly broken but still re-arranging themselves if I sit down wrong. And there's nothing they can do, apparently.

But with the bad comes good, I need to stuff myself with ibuprofen so I'm not allowed to drink, and it's weird. I've taken sober breaks before and they've been fine, but the last week sober and taking ~1.5-2g of ibuprofen per day was truly strange. As I understand it, it has no "recreational" potential but unlike previous times I still felt oddly calm. Not quite "serene", but like a weight was off my shoulders that I didn't even know was there.

I mentioned that the ribs still smart and my GP suggested Cocodamol... given my history I'm not touching that with a barge pole.

>>8671

>As I understand it, it has no "recreational" potential but unlike previous times I still felt oddly calm. Not quite "serene", but like a weight was off my shoulders that I didn't even know was there.

We have a little bit of evidence to suggest that paracetamol and ibuprofen can reduce emotional pain.

https://sci-hub.ee/10.1177/2372732217748965

I did a basic web search and found much the same, pain does not lie but ibuprofen definitely helps. It ruins your liver, so do not combine with booze.

Going away for New Years with my family. They are all big drinkers. In the middle class way - half a bottle of wine every night after work, at parties and special occasions they will really binge. My dad is really weird about pop - if I drink 10 beers at a party that's fine, but if I drink one glass of Diet Coke it's unhealthy.

I can't handle drinking in moderation - I think for me I need to stop completely. Any tips on how to maintain teetotal when surrounded by copious amounts of booze and pissed up middle aged people?

>>8674
How are you with non-alcoholic beer? How are they with it? I guess it's too late to buy a brew-your-own-beer kit and make your own secretly-alcohol-free homebrew that you can drink instead.

>>8674
> Any tips on how to maintain teetotal when surrounded by copious amounts of booze and pissed up middle aged people?

This is all based on personal experience, so your mileage may vary. The hands down hardest part is going to be peer pressure, and given what you said I assume "I'd rather not, but thanks" will not be accepted. Being surrounded itself can be managed by always having a safe drink in hand and keeping it topped up, it adds another hurdle to picking an alcoholic drink even if you have to piss like a mule all night. But being offered is much harder to avoid. How hard depends on how the event and individuals present will work which only you know.

Normal deflection, like "doctor's orders" won't work because family will be nosy and dig. You can try and have decoy drinks handy, like thin elderflower or lime cordial made up with sparkling water (tonic water if you really want it foamy) to mimic whatever bubbly might be present. You might get away with avoiding beer if you claim you want to avoid the carbs. That's a nonesense for anyone who knows how alcohol works, of course, and you might get called names but it's an option.

The biggest question is if you can deflect until everyone else is trollied. By that point it'll be tedious but I assume you have enough experience to play along. Prepare to be slightly less than honest the next morning, if everyone else was paralytic then you'll have the typical questions which are best answered by "I don't know, we had a great time though, didn't we?"

It's a tall order, lad, but you can do it!

>>8674
A timely reminder of how much I hate drinking culture in this country. People ruining their health and ploughing their money into drink to feel shit the next day can't relax unless you're doing it too.

>>8677
And yet here we are. Either you are part of it, or you are not. This Either/Not culture would resolve so much and for national health, this one should answer not.

Did dry January and now I don't really feel like drinking anymore. I'd rather go play sports or do something outdoorsy than spend yet another night getting drunk at a bar or a club. Realised that I have tonne of restless energy at night which I've been pacifying with booze.

Week off, I think, day on. Fuck.

I'm sitting here, in a flat, and if I just stop nothing would change for about 3 months. Not pleasant for me, of course, but if I just keeled over, fuck. I should aat leat hop into a bin bag,

Begone. demons! Not today.

Kestrel has been tasting off recently. Not quite as off as the fake Glenn's, but worse. Normally it's bland, which given 9% is an achievement, but recently I get slightly rusty tins and it tastes wrong. Two different cans (plain and fancy), two different flavours, is this enshittification?

>>8685
Wot's Kestrel?

>>8686

An alcoholic lager beer, for gentlemen with perishing thirsts.

>>8687
On their website it's about 20 quid for 4 cans, what self-respecting sot would waste their money like that?

>>8688
No one, I hope. Along with everything else it's gone up from £1.99 to £2.49 recently right in line with Speccy Brew and I know which I'd rather drink. Bland nothing or athletes foot, hmm. Perla, Okocim, Debowe, K, and OJ(?) are £1.80. Technically a better deal, but not as (usually) nice.

And by experimentation, confirmed. The fancy tins, double Scottish flag, Kestrel written on a horizontal banderole, over a golden oval, top of tin has a golden ring saying "Award Winning" seem to be to off ones, maybe old stock. Plain tins, simple top to bottom arrangement, are the proper ones.

>>8689
On the left, old Kestrel. It might as well be an emetic. On the right, þe olde Kestrel.

>>8650
Good (?) news, down to 450ug. I "just" binge, no longer day drink.

>>8692

Mate, that's absolutely fantastic news. It's a clear sign that the changes you've made are working and your liver is starting to recover. You've made a huge amount of progress and you should be properly proud of yourself. Obviously you should try and cut down on the binge drinking if you can, but the most important thing is to keep up the progress you've already made.

It's bad news. I'm incredibly lonely. I thought board games meant we were friends. One group, gone entirely. Other group one has kids now, the other is married, once a month if the stars align we can still game.

Enough. Full work mode, I'll be the robot I was meant to be. Sod this entire bouillon of cum and juices and whatever proliferates. I am done. No, not suicide. Just one final question: Thing in, why?

>>8699
Where did the first group go?

>>8700
> Where did the first group go?

Just fucked off and we stopped talking. Used to game every Saturday like clockwork, check in on Friday to make sure we're all good to go. No response a few weeks in a row. This was on-line people, so I can't just knock on their door. Gone, ghosted, gave up.

How do you manage self control regarding moderation?

I've gone sober for at most 3-4 weeks in the last four years, then I always go out for a meal, or fancy a few beers, and I justify it as a rare treat. Then end up getting drunk every day for weeks following that.

Yesterday was my first sober day since the end of July. It felt good. But I know I struggle to maintain that sobriety long term.

It's not like I want to completely give up alcohol, I like the taste of beer (and alcohol free tastes off), but then I know that if I did go for just a pint with friends, it'd end up being much more than just a pint.

>>8702

By totally abstaining. I can't justify it as a rare treat because I am aware that it'll have the same result as it does you. I didn't stop liking the taste or experience, I just found the point where it mattered more to stay on the wagon than to have a 'treat' of that sort. The temptation still comes up from time to time but I have healthier coping mechanisms now.
I stopped keeping proper track after a year or so but I'm at around four now.

I don't miss shitting the bed and vomiting blood, but sometimes sobriety is really fucking boring. There are just so many hours in the day.

>>8704
You bed down, sleep does not come. Where you shit or piss, there's a tree or canal. They chase you off. Find a new dry clean hole for a day.

>>8702
You can just start using other drugs when you're out with m8s, like K or jazz cigarettes.

>>8704
>shitting the bed
This is really starting to annoy me. Any tips on preventing this sort of thing? I've followed through on more farts over the last year than I had in my entire life.

Tips that aren't the obvious, obviously (stop drinking, dickhead - I know, I'm considering it).

A tribute to sherry - thought some of you 'resting actors' might like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJ6v7GHYDbM

>>8709

>>8708
The gas detector in your arse is broken, never trust it again. Doesn't mean you can't use a piss place again, Just when the the shit place twitches don't risk it.

And that;s how you know you need decent toilets around.

Stefanoff, Aldi's vodka swill. Shame they don't sell an approximation of cider, but it does the job.

>>2130
I went to Aldi's to get a new bottle and while walking there, I saw several A4 print missing cat posters. It happens, I read them, but this one was brutal.

"14 year old cat, ripped ear, in harness with leash".

That cat did not run away and is missing, that cat found a hidey hole to die in. It depends on the cat, some get touchy, but wild ones tend to hide. "With leash" shows someone really cared about this cat, and I can't get this out of my head. How I would or could I tell them the truth. I won't, but it does not change the heart break that nearly made me blubber in public.

Be assured, I would never keep one.

Had a grim epiphany of sorts. I go to the same corner shop 4-5 times a week to get beer, as I like to not get all my alcohol from the same place especially if I'm having multiple packs a day. For the last month or so I've been getting a four pack of Holsten Pils.

I went in the other day and there was no Holsten so I got some Lech. The shopkeeper said "oh is there no Skol in? I'll get some ordered and get you a discount on that beer". I never drink Skol but obviously he recognised me as a regular alchy.

I felt very embarrassed and have somehow lost the taste for alcohol.

>>871
If in time, vodka from Aldi. But failing that it is four shops, but one did the "Party, eh?" bullshit so never again. Three shops. All three are solid for veggies, but one has a butchers. Halal, but nice cut is nice cut.

The other two are just for booze. I need to dodge a few chancers (happy to hand you a few tinnies, but if you're asking for unopened cig packs... fuck you_

Maybe not quite the thread to put it in but what alcohol brands would you suggest for someone who's not really that into drinking but wants to take the edge off of monotonous nights (and days) spent alone indoors? Economy is a factor.
Light ales are alright. I particularly like gin. Wouldn't mind some absinthe but I don't know of any and the alcohol isle is intimidating to linger on, searching.

>>8721
I drink single-malt whiskey in those situations. You sip it very slowly, drink a tiny amount, and treat it like you are appraising an artwork, trying to describe all the things you can taste and what it reminds you of. Get something that’s either ten or twelve years old from the supermarket and get fancy. Aim to spend around £35. It’s drinking for the non-alcoholic. However, wouldn’t it be better not to drink at all? You could read a book or something instead.

>>8721
Cheapest vodka you can find with orange juice (screwdriver highball, if you want to feel fancy). Cheap, cheerful, and at least you're getting some vitamins with your drink.