>>12941
What astounds me is people like that ever think they will come off looking in any way good.

I'm filling in an online application form. I'm invited to use the details from my previous application so I don't have to fill out the boring stuff again. It managed to transfer the reference contact details and nothing else.

>>12957
What do you know? It gets better. If you need to add a reference you can do an address search instead of typing the whole thing in. Only you then have to type the whole thing in anyway because it doesn't copy it over to the four-line "enter the address here" part.

>>12957>>12962
My girlfriend's recently applied for a job at our local council. The online application form was far too convoluted for the level of the role she's applied for and their recruitment process is so archaic that they're going to write out to candidates they wish to interview within four weeks of the closing date.

>>12962

I like the ones where it asks you to upload your CV, then gives you a load of boxes to fill out that are exactly what's included in your CV.

It used to be really basic entry level jobs that made you do this, now everyone's at it. I can't even bring myself to do it, most of the time.

I started a new job where all my supervisors are significantly younger than me and it depresses me. They're all really nice and quite relaxed with the rules (employee handbook says no phones on shop floor, young supervisors encourage me to go on my phone to entertain myself in quiet periods; not meant to have break on short shifts but they give me 15 minutes paid break during short shifts), so I have no reason to complain, but I just feel like such a loser being lead by people younger than me.

There's this lazy fat woman at work who is always throwing sickies or doing fuck all when she actually is in work, which she usually does wrong, but management are shit-scared to do anything about it because her husband is a HR manager; every time she is off sick she emails her line manager and also copies him in. I get the impression she's hoping they will sack her for gross incompetence because she wants to try and sue for unfair dismissal.

>>12965
It's a really hard mentality to shake out of, but comparing yourself to other people is unhealthy. There will always be people more successful than you are.

Corporate away days. For fucks sake, why can't I just go to work?

>>12967

I hate this shit but it does unironically work and for some reason it makes you more likely to relate to your boss when you've boss been stuck half way up a tree waiting to go on the zipwire.

I remember one job, when I started coincided with the team away day, we just got loads of nice food away from the office in a rented building and played Cards Against Humanity. It was absolutely brilliant because it just removed all awkwardness and formalities almost instantly and we all had a laugh and felt more at ease.

I also like a free lunch and a day out of the office so maybe I'm biased.

>>12967
>>12968

The part I don't understand is what happened to just going for a good booze up with your colleagues? If you are all something approaching actual mates and you've watched the lads puke against a wall and seen the lasses fannys hanging out of Primark knickers there's no need for mountaineering or fucking orienteering or whatever.

>>12995

There's certainly a lot of bonding to be had on a staff pissup. Even the management being there can be a good thing, though I reckon if you're a manager you need to have about four drinks and fuck off at 11, really.

Early in my career our area manager came out with us for our Christmas pissup. He was a good bloke but ultimately ended up surrounded by people complaining about their site at 2am, I remember distinctly standing across from him and laughing at him as he looked at me for help. He ended up sleeping on the floor of a flat shared by like four of the students that worked with us part time.

I identified a problem with a clients EPOS months ago and they appeared to take it seriously but never actually did anything about it - I just got a panicked email about exactly that and they've worked out the thing I predicted would happen has absolutely been happening. Some people are beyond help aren't they?

Don't give a solid 40% of your staff the privileges to alter the prices of stuff in your till, that's all I can say.

anybody else here an eternal neet?

>>13048

I'm not, though my cousin is. I know this is probably a daft question but don't you get bored? Not so much with not working, but with not really having money to go do stuff.

>>13049

I have money to do stuff and I do stuff with clever budgeting

A recurring theme across every office I work in is no matter where I choose to sit somebody will then start trying to sit in that place.

I make a conscious effort in this hotdesk (where we hotdesk but everybody sits in the same place every day) world to pick the least desirable seat I can find, the one where nobody sits for weeks on end, facing no window, away from the aircon, you get the deal.

I guarantee after about two weeks of me sitting there somebody will move a monitor and say they have to have that seat despite being perfectly happy for however long they were before I came.

Why?

>>13051
Perhaps you work in an industry that often features absolute cunts?

>>13051
I don't understand why hotdesking is a thing.

>>13051
>>13053
It never works - for the last 10 years I have worked for companies that "hot desk" and without exception, everyone sits in the same place every day, for good reason. If it means I can slope off with my laptop and find a place to hide on a sofa and do some actual work, I'm all for it, but the rest of the time, I (and everyone else) sits in the same place.

It's often used as an excuse to have an office that's actually too small for the number of staff you have - and that's a cast iron reason to work at home more (which such companies most usually support), but nobody moves around the office and changes places, like you might think.

I'M GOING TO USE THE LAST OF THE WATER IN THE COOLER BUT I'M NOT GOING TO REPLACE THE EMPTY BOTTLE.

>>13054
At one place I worked, they set a target of 8 desks for every 10 people. The reasoning for this was that lots of people were part-time or away from their desks for extended periods. This works across the organisation, but someone thought it was a good idea to apply it to each team, regardless of the work they do. This meant that when our heavily desk-based mostly full-time division was moved into head office, they insisted we could only have 8 desks for every 10 people we had. This meant that our dedicated hot desk bank was filled every single day with the people we didn't have space to assign desks to, defeating the purpose of having a hot desk bank to begin with.

This is food service so a horrible nightmare of overwork is to be expected, but it still gets on my tits when I get handed all the pans from the front, 10 minutes before closing the shop, and someone deigns to visit the one-man kitchen 5 minutes later to figure out why I'm taking so long.

It's because it's not a five minute job pal that's why. Half the dishes are sticky and baked in. This is after I've had to filter both the fry vats and tidy the kitchen, after having had to prep all the veggies for the next day while keeping the fried food going for the front the whole day.

I know I should probably get out of the kitchen if I can't take the heat but I'm keeping at it anyway because, for some reason, they can't hold on to staff! And there's no way I'd be able to beat the cash I'm making. I'm one of two kitchen assistants at the moment, for two stores that are open 7 days a week for at least 9 hours. The third assistant quit this Monday when he realised he had no days off this week.

>>13057

>but it still gets on my tits when I get handed all the pans from the front, 10 minutes before closing the shop

This happens in more places than it should and it's fucking daft. It's usually possible to explain, slowly and carefully, that if they could just give you pans as and when they're done rather than leaving them in a big cunting pile you'd be done a lot sooner.

When I was in that position I'd just barge in with a big bus tray and grab whatever they weren't using quite frequently. Though it doesn't sound like you can do that or you probably would.

Also depending how new you are and how shit the place is, they might just be surprised by the fact that you're actually trying to clean something properly.

These days I often find I get hunger pangs in the morning sometime around 10 or 11. It probably wouldn't matter so much if I was doing an early shift but I don't have to be in until 10 and can't exactly go to lunch an hour after I get in.

So obviously I do the sensible thing and pay outrageous prices for cake when I go on break.

>>13060
Take in some form of snack? I generally have nuts, grapes or an apple mid-morning.

>>13049
> but with not really having money to go do stuff.
Judging from my own experience way back, I don't need much.
There's a certain threshold after which raises are nice and still don't mean qualitative increase as I can't buy a flat with that salary in reasonable timeframe, nor can I stockpile it somehow that'll at least preserve the value.
That's one reason why I kept working at one place that offered 3 to 5 days off per week, having been offered another position which included more money but also the tedium of 9-to-5.

I've found myself in the middle of a shitstorm where something has gone wrong; nobody is taking responsibility for it and they're blaming others people for it. I'm finding it really, really hard to give a shit about it but they won't stop going on.

>>13063
Is that you Prime Minister?

"I don't shop around for the cheapest petrol because I always put a tenner in wherever I go."

>>13065

People think I'm mental for just filling up wherever I happen to be, and not really looking at the price - even if the price difference is 10p (it's usually only 2 or 3) then if I fill my tank up I might have saved six quid on a tank by going to the Asda on the other side of town vs. the Shell. If it takes me 20 minutes to get there then it's hardly a saving at all, if you value your time.

>>13066
There's merit in that line of reasoning, particularly if it is a long journey to a cheaper petrol station. However, stating that you don't shop around because you always top it up by the same monetary amount is all kinds of stupid.

>>13067

A 50% extra free offer sells better than a 1/3 discount. Most people are functionally innumerate.

I'm starting to worry that I am becoming the workplace annoyance. Apart from someone being a bit of an overly judgemental cow whilst also being quite incompetent at her own job I don't really have any complaints.

There's going to be a couple of junior vacancies within my team at the end of the year; there's going to be at least six internal applicants and I have the final say. One of them sent out an email today and I responded to them pointing out all of the grammatical flaws and telling them to be better if they want any chance of joining my team. I'm clearly dicking around, but I'm probably also being a dick.

>>13069

>I'm clearly dicking around

I suspect that's what most annoying people think. It's pretty hard to get across your intent in an email as well, they almost certainly think you're an arsehole.

There is this cunt who's onto fucking up the schedule for everyone. Yesterday he literally exploded, hysterically yelling that the March schedule is utter shite - after about 2/3 of March has passed, right. He then proceeded with 'correcting' it - which ironically included putting additional workdays for everyone except himself. After being told to fuck off with that by everybody else he decided to fiddle with the April schedule and made a 'better' version - again, with more workdays added.

My only consolation is that so far he's been a tiny minority that wants these changes. Unfortunately, apathy is big here so instead of telling the sod to piss off one more time the folks might just coast along and accept the alterations just so he would cease whining. I have no bloody idea what's in it for this person - he surely won't get paid more for self-afflicted overtime. Others have noted this as well, responding, 'If you like to work that much, we can give you more worktime'.

Utter bollocks.

>>13071
Unionise, motherfucker.

>>13071
>yesterday he literally exploded

Problem solved then.

>>13073
Mirth.

>>13073
I wish.

More kitchen complaints.

So a month ago I casually asked my manager if I'd be alright to get a longer weekend this coming weekend, and he said sure that will probably be fine. So I went home, checked train times and things, and followed up a few days later.
Messaged him the dates, which he read, but didn't respond to. So I asked him again in person and he still said it would be ok. I specifically waited to make sure all the staff (that I knew of) would be back from their own holidays so there would be someone to cover me.

So on the wild assumption that it would be ok because I got the ok from the boss I booked my trains.
Lo and behold, it comes to yesterday and he asks me 'when do you want to work this week?' and when I said 'I can't do Friday' he tries to get me to work Friday.
Another worker was taking holiday this week, something that would have been great to know any of the times I'd asked prior about the days off.
Lazy fucker didn't even check if it was a good idea to let me have the weekend off, didn't think 'maybe the guy is planning something in advance, so best make sure he can actually take this time off', didn't know the rough holiday schedule for a staff of fewer than 20 people (only six of which are the kitchen staff & therefore important) and then when he asked me to work this Friday made out like he only vaguely remembered me enquiring about it the other week. The timetable and staffing hadn't changed at all, he's just a twat.

At least, after more calmly elucidating the prior points, he said he'll actually try and work something out.

Now I've never been a manager anywhere before, the most I've done is work as a treasurer at a uni club, but even then I manage to keep a rough idea of our finances, who owes money and from when whilst I also have a part time job and a ton of uni coursework.

>>13076

Addendum: I used to work at McDonalds which is a fantastic part time job even if it's vaguely embarrassing. Has a proper scheduling system, enough staff to cover mostly anything and lets you work seasonally most of the time.

>>13077
Seconded. I've had a few shit jobs in my time, but that wasn't one of them. The pay was half-decent, breaks were strictly enforced (as in you would definitely get one), and by and large if you asked not to be rostered for a given day you wouldn't be. They put a lot of work into sales projections and matching staffing levels.

>>13076

This isn't a defence of your manager, he's still a twat, take that from a professional. But people managing food places are typically used to scheduling for foreigners who don't give a shit when they work/would rather work than not, that's how they end up so clueless about rotas and stuff, they just draw one up and assume the 6 guys who probably mostly all live together will either be fine with the shifts or change them amongst themselves. Even 'good' managers usually expect kitchen staff to just never have any plans, because they don't see us as human.

When I had a boss like that I just ended up doing the rota for him, though I wouldn't recommend that route. You just have to be annoying enough about their shite rotas that it becomes easier to spend the 15 minutes it takes to actually think about it properly.

I wish we had a proper law in place about how much notice an employer has to give you for work, that always seems to go overlooked. I think it should be a full week at least.

>>13079
AIUI, if you're taking time off, they need to give you at least that in notice if they expect you to work. If you're taking a three-day weekend, and weekends are days you might normally expect to work, if they've agreed to it they need to give you at least three days' notice to get you to work.

>>13079

>used to scheduling for foreigners

Yeah that's mostly it.

He often jokes about wishing he had more of the guy that works in kitchen no.1, 7 days a week for 9-11 hours. Which I'm sure would be good but the guy's earning probably at least 3x as much money as he could have done before he moved over (and he moved over just to work) so he's got some actual motivation.

Oh and this doesn't mention how I applied to one store and found out they're opening another store. First store was open 11 - 7 most days, new one 10 - 9. So I got 12 hour shifts without even expecting (or asking) for them. The difference those few hours make in getting things done before and after work is massive.

>When I had a boss like that I just ended up doing the rota for him

I'd be tempted, don't think it'd go down well.
At least I can just argue/reason with him, I know for a fact he hates hiring people because it's too much work so I've got some leverage, and I'm a good employee (I turn up on time, don't no-show and get the job done properly). I just also have a life outside work.

>>13076 >>13077 >>13078 >>13079 >>13081

Incredible. So after talking with him and agreeing with him again yesterday that it should be fine for me to get Friday off he's put me on the timetable for Friday.
I'm more annoyed that he wouldn't just say 'no this is not possible', fucks sake.

I can't work out if the fat kid at work vaguely smells of piss or vaguely smells of popcorn.

>>13083
I woke a couple of times last week smelling popcorn. I hope I wasn't getting molested by fat lads in my sleep, that would really bother me.

Someone sincerely talked about "being good corporate citizens of [our employer]" today. I know it kind of was a business strategy meaning, but that doesn't mean you've got to use language like that.

>>13084
You probably just dribbled a bit of piss in your sleep.

>>13108
It sounds awful whatever its bloody meaning is. The sugar coating probably makes it even worse.