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>> No. 90480 Anonymous
6th September 2020
Sunday 1:59 am
90480 This man is going to be the next President and it's going to be awesome
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>> No. 90481 Anonymous
6th September 2020
Sunday 2:32 am
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>>90480
He literally can't be the next President.
>> No. 90482 Anonymous
6th September 2020
Sunday 9:28 am
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>>90481

He’s only had one term though, so he can run again.
>> No. 90483 Anonymous
6th September 2020
Sunday 9:38 am
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>>90482

What otherlad means is that he can't be the 46th Prez if he wins another term, ya dingus.
>> No. 90484 Anonymous
6th September 2020
Sunday 1:43 pm
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>>90482
This man is going to be the next president of Mexico and it's going to be awesome.

His policies
-Build a wall with America
-Powerful toilets to deal with burrito logs
-Former American presidents are immune from prosecution

>> No. 90485 Anonymous
6th September 2020
Sunday 2:05 pm
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>>90482
Right, so if he loses he'll be able to run to be the next-but-one President.
>> No. 90486 Anonymous
6th September 2020
Sunday 2:25 pm
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>>90480
He'll win by a landslide, I think the rioting/looting/burning down buildings have generated many many more Trump supporters. People are fed up with groupthink being shoved down their throats and violence being tolerated if done under the banner of a certain cause.
>> No. 90487 Anonymous
6th September 2020
Sunday 2:46 pm
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>>90486

It sounds like the kind of argument only a simpleton would belive and therefore it will work

The glimpses of Biden's American bollocks. The magic trick of provoking an event and then acting like it is the provokeds fault entirely lost on the audience.
>> No. 90488 Anonymous
6th September 2020
Sunday 3:57 pm
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>>90486
That must be why he is polling so high!
>> No. 90489 Anonymous
6th September 2020
Sunday 4:07 pm
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>>90488

Doesn't matter. His crony in USPS is gutting it so that mail in ballots will be either lost, severely delayed or never sent out at all. Republicans generally vote in person and democrats are more likely to postal vote.

Add in other forms of voter suppression, gerrymandering, Biden being more visible/debates and you've got a very close race.
>> No. 90490 Anonymous
6th September 2020
Sunday 4:34 pm
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>>90489
I still can't believe this is going on, it's like there's no rule or law over there any more, or at least absolutely zero checks and balances. The most the country does it go "Yeah that was illegal to do" and then does fuck all about it. It's amazing and I can see why Boris wants the same here.
>> No. 90491 Anonymous
6th September 2020
Sunday 5:36 pm
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If he does lose the fortnight long meltdown will be a right laugh, once the shooting starts that's going to be rough.
>> No. 90492 Anonymous
6th September 2020
Sunday 6:42 pm
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He's made a pretty big cock up of everything recently, so I don't see it being an easy win for him. He won on a tide of contrarian populism, but populism is fickle and you have to stay, you know, popular. It's very hard for Trump to convincingly claim he did anything but make America's existing problems worse, let alone Great Again.

That said I'm finding it hard to see the postal vote conspiracy theorising and such as anything but the Democrats pre-emptively deflecting the blame should they lose, instead of admitting it was a mistake to put a geriatric paedophile up against him.
>> No. 90493 Anonymous
6th September 2020
Sunday 6:45 pm
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>>90489

>gerrymandering

That doesn't happen at that level based on how the Electoral College works. States don't lose and gain territory from each other readily. There are massive problems with the system that biases republican low pop states, but gerrymandering isn't one of them.
>> No. 90494 Anonymous
6th September 2020
Sunday 6:48 pm
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>>90492

americans have 5 second attention spans, by the time the election happens Covid will have been Obama's fault, and not a big deal thanks to Trump.
>> No. 90495 Anonymous
6th September 2020
Sunday 7:40 pm
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I think it's going to be terribly messy whatever the result. Biden wins and Trump may refuse to concede, blaming it on rigged postal votes. Trump wins and Biden may refuse to concede, blaming it on rigged Russian interference. I don't think it'll end in civil war, but I doubt it'll be smooth sailing for a long time.
>> No. 90496 Anonymous
6th September 2020
Sunday 9:11 pm
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>>90495
Of course Biden will concede, all the Democrats do is rollover for Republicans.
>> No. 90497 Anonymous
6th September 2020
Sunday 9:19 pm
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>>90480
We don't have a president, though?
>> No. 90498 Anonymous
6th September 2020
Sunday 9:50 pm
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>>90497
Our president is the American president, we are their most neglected territory.
>> No. 90499 Anonymous
6th September 2020
Sunday 9:57 pm
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>>90495
Concession is a convenience, nothing more. When the electoral votes are counted in the House in January, a final result is declared and stands. If that count doesn't go in Trump's favour, he stops being President on January 20th and there's nothing he can do about it.
>> No. 90500 Anonymous
6th September 2020
Sunday 10:27 pm
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>>90499
Yeah that, their law is pretty clear on this - but when Trump loses, he is going to bitch about it for years.
>> No. 90539 Anonymous
30th September 2020
Wednesday 7:15 am
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It sounds like the debate last night was an absolute shitshow.
>> No. 90540 Anonymous
30th September 2020
Wednesday 9:26 am
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>>90499
A significant number of Americans seem to believe he'll try to start a civil war before he leaves.
>> No. 90541 Anonymous
30th September 2020
Wednesday 10:02 am
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>>90539
It was incredibly bad - I stayed up to watch it; Trump is behaving like he knows he is losing and is determined to take the whole ship down with him. Awful behaviour.
>> No. 90542 Anonymous
30th September 2020
Wednesday 10:07 am
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>>90541
He can do what he likes; he's going to win anyway. We live in the cursed timeline.
>> No. 90543 Anonymous
30th September 2020
Wednesday 10:07 am
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>>90539

It didn't reflect well on either of them.

What do America have instead of a hung parliament?
>> No. 90544 Anonymous
30th September 2020
Wednesday 10:12 am
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Fuck it, I'll stick £20 on Trump. Does anyone know which site has the best odds on him?
>> No. 90545 Anonymous
30th September 2020
Wednesday 10:24 am
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>>90541
What's the saying? Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
>> No. 90546 Anonymous
30th September 2020
Wednesday 11:01 am
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>>90545
What about getting hand jobs from unintelligent escorts?
>> No. 90547 Anonymous
30th September 2020
Wednesday 11:02 am
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>>90545
Biden did a competent job of not arguing with him; he wasn't brilliant, but he wasn't bad either - as the leader in the race, it is still very much his to lose. He came across as reliable, if a bit boring.

Trump made absolutely no attempt to persuade undecided people or those in the middle-ground - certainly an interesting election strategy, we'll soon find out soon whether it will work. Up until now, I've always taken the cursed timeline/Trump will nick it view - but he is starting to look a lot like a loser.
>> No. 90549 Anonymous
30th September 2020
Wednesday 4:23 pm
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I'm surprised Fred Perry haven't taken legal action against the so-called Proud Boys for blatantly using their logo.
>> No. 90550 Anonymous
30th September 2020
Wednesday 4:43 pm
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>>90547
I find it hard to believe that after the past four years any reasonable person can be undecided. Then again, we are talking Americans here ...
>> No. 90551 Anonymous
30th September 2020
Wednesday 4:46 pm
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>>90550
>we are talking Americans here

They are absolutely batshit insane. The number of Americans I've come across who have said they won't be voting has been mad, and after chatting with them I am convinced it'll be 2016 all over again. How is it that I, a foreigner, give more of a shit about their country and citizens than they do? How's that happened?
>> No. 90552 Anonymous
30th September 2020
Wednesday 4:55 pm
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>>90551
>How is it that I, a foreigner, give more of a shit about their country and citizens than they do? How's that happened?

I think a lot of it is fatigue and reaching the point where you stop caring about what is going on because it is exhausting and only gets you down.

Also, what happens there influences what happens over here.
>> No. 90553 Anonymous
30th September 2020
Wednesday 4:55 pm
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>>90551
Naturally it's mostly white people saying they won't be voting because Biden doesn't support <insert random policy here>. And they'll get mad when people blame them for Trump's victory, even though it was totally their fault.
>> No. 90554 Anonymous
30th September 2020
Wednesday 4:57 pm
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>>90549
They have issued a statement about it. I suspect that the laurels are sufficiently different for them to get away with it.
>> No. 90555 Anonymous
30th September 2020
Wednesday 5:29 pm
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>>90551
The last time the US had a presidential candidate worth voting for Neil Kinnock was having his speeches plagiarized. In a perverse sort of way it's entirely reasonable for Americans to tune out of their own politics.
I'm personally getting more optimistic about the prospects of what could get done if Biden wins, but for plenty of people it doesn't seem wrong for them to assess that their life is already terrible and that their choice in this election is between things getting worse quickly under Trump or getting worse slowly under Biden. If those are your options, why bother braving Coronavirus to vote or sending in a mail-in ballot that'll probably be shredded when Trump decides that he's not moving out?
Then there's the Trump voter side of the equation - those people with lives so shit that the best reason they can think to vote for a man is that he'll fuck up the lives of other people with shit lives who they don't like.

I'm not really sure how to wrap this up. Sparknotes version: Having reasonably sized groups of people with shit lives will fuck up your Democracy. It's not Biden's fault their lives are shit, but if he doesn't get them on the train to not-shit town you should bet all your money on the next insane clown the Republicans nominate.

>>90553
Perhaps we should dissolve the electorate and appoint a new one.
>> No. 90556 Anonymous
30th September 2020
Wednesday 5:35 pm
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>>90554
Even the colour scheme is based off a Fred Perry shirt. They can't get enough of it.
>> No. 90557 Anonymous
30th September 2020
Wednesday 7:53 pm
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>>90555

Haven't you noticed how little changes between presidents?

America is a democracy in name only, you can argue about precisely why that is for hours, but you can't argue it's not true. Whether you're a Bill Hicks type who thinks the President is just a powerless puppet figurehead, or you believe in slightly more grounded reasons like the senate always fucking everything up and the system being built around preserving the 200 year old ideals of the Republic, nothing ever really changes.

I can't blame Americans for tuning out because they know it's all but hopeless anyway. They also still have a lot more of that "fuck it, who needs the gubmint anyway" attitude than we do over here, where all but the daftest freeman on the land types know the government has a huge impact on everyone's life.
>> No. 90558 Anonymous
30th September 2020
Wednesday 8:00 pm
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>>90555
To be fair, nothing really changes. You can have either party member as president, and it is always more or less the same. Might as well flip a coin before voting.

I don't understand the hate Trump gets. He is a bit loud and brash, but his policies are not that far out of step of what any other Republican president would do, or whatever a Democrat president would do.
>> No. 90559 Anonymous
30th September 2020
Wednesday 8:23 pm
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>>90558
His optics are bad. He's a waffling, ridiculous, childish buffoon yet has none of the brains of Boris. And the 'wall' was a fucking terrible idea to start with.
>> No. 90560 Anonymous
30th September 2020
Wednesday 8:27 pm
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>>90551
>How is it that I, a foreigner, give more of a shit about their country and citizens than they do? How's that happened?

My own view of it is, having visited the place many many times, and seen up close how poor the poor are (and how rich the rich are) there, is that it is difficult for us in the UK to understand the disparity between the rich and the poor in the US. Compared to us, they have no social security system whatsoever - witness last night Trump berating Biden for even suggesting better healthcare plans - they think the NHS is basically a communist idea. When you're poor or homeless in the US, you are FUCKED - there is no help; we complain about our system, but it's not until you see theirs up close that you realise how pretty brilliant much of our government and social support system is by comparison (note, I am not trying to defend ours). When you don't have healthcare, most hospitals won't even let you in the door.

They have an in-built mistrust of government, and on the face of it, their government and state structures do far far less for their citizens than ours does. I think this means that more people there just don't give the slightest fuck about who is in power, much as >>90555 says. We make the mistake of comparing it to our system.
>> No. 90561 Anonymous
30th September 2020
Wednesday 8:34 pm
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>>90558
>I don't understand the hate Trump gets... his policies
aren't the only thing he gets hate for? He signalled to white nationalists that they should get ready to start a civil war against his political enemies last night, I don't really understand how you can see him as the cherub you appear to.
>> No. 90562 Anonymous
30th September 2020
Wednesday 8:51 pm
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>>90558
Come off it, mate, Trump just told a far-right gang to "stand by" while he leans into the idea of the general election being stolen by voter fraud. I think every Republican and the lion's share of Democratic presidents were all scum, but the idea that Trump's no different and everything's the same as it ever was is a joke. I don't think politicians have done anything like that since the Klan was at it's zenith, let alone the president.
>> No. 90563 Anonymous
30th September 2020
Wednesday 9:45 pm
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>>90562
The "white nationalists" aren't anything new. Maybe he openly embraces them, but the fact is that Republics have always liked them, and are sure to throw them a bone every now and again. Would you classify the Birther movement, the Tea Part, QAnon, etc, as white nationalists? Because I would. These are all just the same thing calling themselves something else, which, at least the modern version of it, can be traced back to the "White Backlash" during Nixon's presidency. New versions of these groups always pop up every four or eight years since WW2.

In-fact, almost every republican president was a massive racist, and you can search for some of their racist quotes if you so wish. Nixon, and Reagan were massive racists. Lyndon B. Johnson would call civil rights legislation "nigger bills." Even Eisenhower and Roosevelt, heroes of WW2, were racists. The only difference is that Trump says the quiet parts very, very loudly.

Funny thing is - both Bush presidents don't have any sort of records of being overtly racist like every republican president. Although some of their policies were questionable, they come out looking good.

Give it ten years, and a new group will be born again. Trump is not that different to other republicans, in terms of his views, and his policies thus far. Which is why I think that he will win again.
>> No. 90564 Anonymous
30th September 2020
Wednesday 10:07 pm
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>>90563
>Maybe he openly embraces them, but the fact is that Republics have always liked them
Well that makes it all okay then. Nobody else can differentiate between wanting to do something and doing it. Openly regressing is something that should just be ignored, who cares where it leads? There's no such thing as history, nothing ever actually changes, things have always existed in a vague stasis of the status quo.
>> No. 90565 Anonymous
30th September 2020
Wednesday 10:14 pm
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>>90564
I haven't said anything of that sort, lad.
>> No. 90566 Anonymous
30th September 2020
Wednesday 10:23 pm
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>>90563
>These are all just the same thing calling themselves something else
They really, really aren't.
>> No. 90567 Anonymous
30th September 2020
Wednesday 10:39 pm
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>>90566
You are right. These newer versions are less prone to lynching.

Read up on US History. Biden isn't any better. In fact, he was softly against desegregation, and didn't want his kids to grow up in a "racial jungle." This was the 1970s. This is modern times.

This isn't something new. These racist groups aren't something new. These aren't weird times we are living in. It is just a continuation. I hope it stops happening, but that will take decades, if not a century.
>> No. 90568 Anonymous
30th September 2020
Wednesday 10:41 pm
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>>90565
You're absolutely playing it down.
>> No. 90569 Anonymous
30th September 2020
Wednesday 10:51 pm
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Funny how the moderator of the debate was desperate for Trump to denounce mythical "white supremacists" white failing to ask Biden to denounce the Antifa/BLM far-left nutcases who have been running riot, looting and trashing restaurants while screaming at people to "show solidarity" to them like some sort of Maoist cult, but whatever lads, keep telling us how you're on the "right side of history".
>> No. 90572 Anonymous
30th September 2020
Wednesday 11:19 pm
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>>90569
I can see the steam coming out of your ears from here.
>> No. 90573 Anonymous
30th September 2020
Wednesday 11:25 pm
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>>90572

Whatever mate, keep sucking off black criminals and crying about JK Rowling for "genociding trans folx", if that's what makes you feel good about yourself.
>> No. 90574 Anonymous
30th September 2020
Wednesday 11:28 pm
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>>90573
You aren't even an American. How did you become like this?
>> No. 90575 Anonymous
30th September 2020
Wednesday 11:31 pm
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>>90568
I am not. I don't like the superficial gloss on everything nowadays. Corporations with their fake support of social movements. Governments and their "let's have a woman CEO," and the pure nonsense of "Biden is better than Trump." When you look at it closely, it is more or less the same, whichever direction you peek at.
>> No. 90576 Anonymous
30th September 2020
Wednesday 11:34 pm
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>>90574

How did you become a sad lefty tosser who pats himself on the back for posting a black square on Instagram while cheering on mobs smashing up statues and having a teary because some Yank criminals got shot? You people are so full of self-hatred it's hilarious.

(A good day to you Sir!)
>> No. 90577 Anonymous
30th September 2020
Wednesday 11:36 pm
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>>90576
I haven't done any of those things. YankWannabeLad.
>> No. 90578 Anonymous
30th September 2020
Wednesday 11:40 pm
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>>90567
Go home bothsideslad, you're drunk.
>> No. 90579 Anonymous
1st October 2020
Thursday 12:43 am
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>>90573

You're embarrassing yourself.
>> No. 90580 Anonymous
1st October 2020
Thursday 12:50 am
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>>90579

I have absolutely zero interest in this thread but I just wanted to butt in and point out that you literally can't embarrass yourself on an anonymous image board unless you care about the detailed psychological profiles the mods build on each and every one of us. .
>> No. 90581 Anonymous
1st October 2020
Thursday 1:26 am
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>>90480

I feel i should leave this here.
>> No. 90582 Anonymous
1st October 2020
Thursday 1:30 am
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>>90581

Oh yes, and Biden and Pelosi for the geriatric ward, 2020.
>> No. 90583 Anonymous
1st October 2020
Thursday 1:33 am
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>>90581

GREAT SUCCESS! JAGSHEMASH!
>> No. 90584 Anonymous
1st October 2020
Thursday 2:17 am
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>>90581
>The [intelligence community] does not know the accuracy of this allegation or the extent to which the Russian intelligence analysis may reflect exaggeration or fabrication.

There's nothing new in this - the (Republican-majority) Senate committee was already given this information as part of its Russia probe, and considered it not credible.

>>90582
How's the weather in Leningrad this morning? Is it still 5 rubles a post?
>> No. 90585 Anonymous
1st October 2020
Thursday 6:00 am
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>>90581
It's like the Steele dossier all over again, and just as accurate.
>> No. 90593 Anonymous
2nd October 2020
Friday 8:02 pm
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I am baffled, utterly baffled, by the people who have been calling this man an existential threat to American democracy and humanity at large who are now wishing him a swift recovery. I hope he fucking dies.
>> No. 90594 Anonymous
2nd October 2020
Friday 8:06 pm
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>>90593
Take a deep breath, mate.
>> No. 90595 Anonymous
2nd October 2020
Friday 9:18 pm
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>>90594
Huh?
>> No. 90596 Anonymous
2nd October 2020
Friday 11:00 pm
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>>90593
The trouble is that a big part of the reason Biden is favoured to win right now is the anti-Trump sentiment among Republicans. If Trump dies, that goes away, and a vote for the Republican ticket is a vote for the much more conventional Mike Pence. That'll be the insurance policy that Republicans in Congress (particularly the Senate) will have been counting on.
>> No. 90597 Anonymous
2nd October 2020
Friday 11:06 pm
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>>90593
It is what it is.
>> No. 90598 Anonymous
2nd October 2020
Friday 11:11 pm
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>>90597
... It'll happen to youuuuu!
>> No. 90599 Anonymous
2nd October 2020
Friday 11:21 pm
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>>90598
I think I misread your post.
>> No. 90600 Anonymous
3rd October 2020
Saturday 12:03 am
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>>90596
I take issue with this idea of yours, these "anti-Trump Republicans". You also speak as if media personalities will somehow manifest Trump's death if they point out that doing stupid things can lead to ill-consequences.
>> No. 90601 Anonymous
3rd October 2020
Saturday 12:52 am
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So, in pragmatic terms, which candidate is the best for Britain?

It seems a popular tune that a Biden win would signal that we would not be getting any significant trade priority and the democrats are especially plastic-paddy which could pose problems. Boris also seems to have a personal relationship with Trump that we'd lose with Biden - I'm sure Kim Jong-Un would feel the same.

>If Mr. Biden wins in November, Britain would face a president who opposed Brexit, would look out for the interests of Ireland in a post-Brexit Europe, and would have little motive to prioritize an Anglo-American trade deal. His former boss, President Barack Obama, once warned Britons that if they left the European Union, they would put themselves at the “back of the queue” in any trade talks with the United States.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/31/world/europe/britain-biden-presidency-johnson.html

Accepting of course that the only correct course of action is to crush the upstart rebels and exile the tyrannous regime to a footnote in a history Britain shall write.
>> No. 90602 Anonymous
3rd October 2020
Saturday 1:02 am
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>>90599
I was actually trying to respond to a lad in the other thread who said he liked to see old people die. Clearly both I and .gs had a senior moment, as it wouldn't let me delete my post. Unless my IP had changed in the intervening ten seconds there might be something up with the site.
>> No. 90603 Anonymous
3rd October 2020
Saturday 1:03 am
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>>90601

>So, in pragmatic terms, which candidate is the best for Britain?

It makes very little difference. We've never been an ally to the Yanks, only a vassal. We'll let them park their fighter jets here, we'll operate their nuclear early-warning radar, we'll give them a direct line to GCHQ, we'll follow them into whatever nonsense wars they start and we'll take any trade deal they offer us. Our relationship has hardly changed since 1917 and it's unlikely to change much in future.
>> No. 90604 Anonymous
3rd October 2020
Saturday 1:13 am
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>>90600
>I take issue with this idea of yours, these "anti-Trump Republicans".
I take issue with your taking issue with it, because they very fucking obviously exist in sufficient numbers to put states in play that have no business whatsoever being in play.
>> No. 90605 Anonymous
3rd October 2020
Saturday 1:32 am
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>>90603
Okay, De Gaulle. But that very little difference may impact us - we have trade offs in either option.
>> No. 90606 Anonymous
3rd October 2020
Saturday 4:05 am
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>>90601

The pragmatic thing for Britain to do is fuck the Yanks off, they don't offer us much in return for the bending over backwards we do for them, and if we think they're coming to help us if we get attacked we're just kidding ourselves frankly.
>> No. 90607 Anonymous
3rd October 2020
Saturday 9:06 am
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The news this morning that many of his campaign staff are affected too, will throw his campaign out the window and dull many of his attack lines on Biden "hiding".

I briefly yesterday considered the idea that this could be faked and all part of some seven-dimensional chess game he is playing, but it's clear that there is nothing of the sort, and this is just karma rearing its ugly head. There is something delicious in the super spreader event probably being last Saturday where he appointed/announced the proposed replacement for Ruth Bader Ginsburg.

No way back in the campaign for him now. He has fucked it. I expect the next thing to be calls to delay the election if it gets bad, but I can't see the Democrats going for that in a million years.
>> No. 90608 Anonymous
3rd October 2020
Saturday 9:07 am
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>>90604
Donald Trump's words and actions are the Republican Party.
>> No. 90609 Anonymous
3rd October 2020
Saturday 9:49 am
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>>90607
>The news this morning that many of his campaign staff are affected too, will throw his campaign out the window
Not just his staff.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/02/gop-donors-panic-after-coming-close-to-trump-at-fundraiser-hours-before-positive-covid-19-test.html
>> No. 90610 Anonymous
3rd October 2020
Saturday 3:21 pm
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>>90607
>but I can't see the Democrats going for that in a million years.

You underestimate how spineless the Democratic Party is.
>> No. 90611 Anonymous
3rd October 2020
Saturday 4:08 pm
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>>90610
I actually meant it the other way; why would they back down from an election now, all their Christmases have come at once.

The only narrative where Trump benefits from this is if he recovers (perfectly) in about seven days, and so do all the other infected people around him; particularly if he is being used as a guinea pig for experimental drugs. That's about the only way I can see Trump getting any "win" out of the current situation, and all other possible outcomes look terrible for him.
>> No. 90625 Anonymous
3rd October 2020
Saturday 8:19 pm
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>>90611
>why would they back down from an election now

Why did they back down from nominating a supreme court justice in 2016? They consistently make concessions and displays of propriety that the Republicans have no intention of reciprocating.
>> No. 90630 Anonymous
3rd October 2020
Saturday 8:43 pm
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>>90625
>Why did they back down from nominating a supreme court justice in 2016?

They didn't back down in this universe. The senate was majority Republican so Obama's nomination, one the senate leader was explicit he would not accept, was never going to be approved. The difference this time is that the Republicans control the Senate and Whitehouse which is the norm as far as SC nominations go aside from it being an election year.

The problem the nominee faces at the moment is if a few Republican senators agree that this should be decided after the election.
>> No. 90635 Anonymous
3rd October 2020
Saturday 9:25 pm
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>>90630
Alright I looked it up, found this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thurmond_rule

and it seems you're correct - it goes both ways. My bad.
>> No. 90662 Anonymous
4th October 2020
Sunday 2:58 am
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>>90630
Given what we know about the nominee, and the value to the hard right in effectively having control of the court for a generation, here's how I see things playing out.

Underlying assumptions:
* The policy reasons for getting control of the court are unpopular. The majority of the public support gun control, abortion, campaign reform, voting rights, etc.
* The Republicans are going to lose big in the Senate. There are about a dozen opportunities for Democrats to gain seats, and the expectation is that they'll flip at least half of them. They need four to guarantee control, and they're odds-on to get at least that.
* Trump and Pence both survive (literally) until January. One of them dying changes the dynamic considerably, and if they both kick it then everything goes out the window.
* The various attempts at voter suppression do not prevail. I mean, I don't know how solid this one is, but ultimately the effects this could have are so wide-ranging as to make prediction practically impossible.

First decision point: Before or after the election.
If they do it before the election, they can argue their mandate, but they'll almost certainly be annihilated at the ballot box as the voters reject them. The Democrats might even hit 60 seats.

Next decision point: Proceed after the election or not.
If they wait until after the election, they can offer it up as an election pledge in the hope of increasing turnout from their more conservative supporters. But this presents them with the situation of trying to fill the seat after having lost their mandate to do so. The value of filling that seat might well outweigh the damage this could do to their careers.

Final decision point: Expanding the Court.
When the Democrats take control of Congress in January, if they consider that two of the seats were stolen and the other filled with a political operative, they may decide to introduce legislation expanding the Court to as many as 15. If a Democratic President then gets to replace Thomas and Alito and decides to follow Trump's lead and not maintain the balance, that's potentially an 11-4 split. They could potentially then prevent a Republican President from appointing justices by reducing the size of the Court, which in practice would mean that the next justices to leave would simply not be replaced.
>> No. 90663 Anonymous
4th October 2020
Sunday 3:27 am
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>>90662
>They need four to guarantee control, and they're odds-on to get at least that.

Your analysis is excellent.

But one thing perhaps - how many senators were at the Rose Garden last Saturday, and part of the super spreading event? I believe so far the number is 3 positives (Mike Lee, Thom Tillis and Ron Johnson). Two of those are part of the Judicial committee, which I understand has to hold the confirmation hearing; if they're sick for the next few weeks, that could affect matters.

Otherwise agree with all you say, whether they force this through or not, they'll almost certainly lose Senate seats in the election, and pave the way for a Democrat-held legislature to wreak revenge and stuff the court with their own judges.

Having judges being voted on, and part of the political system seems very strange to us I think.
>> No. 90666 Anonymous
4th October 2020
Sunday 6:19 am
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Funny.
>> No. 90712 Anonymous
4th October 2020
Sunday 9:22 pm
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Look everyone, it's the President!
>> No. 90713 Anonymous
5th October 2020
Monday 1:07 am
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>>90712
Like what the actual fuck all over again? Who pops out the hospital when contagious for a drive around the block?
>> No. 90714 Anonymous
5th October 2020
Monday 1:26 am
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>"It’s been a very interesting journey - I learned a lot about Covid.

>I learned it by really going to school. This is the real school.

>This isn’t the ‘let’s read the book’ school. And I get it. And I understand it.

>And it’s a very interesting thing, and I’m going to be letting you know about it."

He's totally doolally. Those aren't the words of a demagogue, they're the words of an elderly man with full-blown dementia. He doesn't know what's going on and he's too far gone to realise it. Every aspect of Trump's response since the start of the epidemic is explained by one simple fact - his mind is too addled to actually take it in.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1312864232711520257
>> No. 90715 Anonymous
5th October 2020
Monday 1:45 am
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>>90714
Doesn't sound mental to me. Sounds a lot like what I would say if I were in the Plandemic camp.
>> No. 90716 Anonymous
5th October 2020
Monday 1:47 am
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>>90714
He's going somewhere?

He... He's going to go to a rally, isn't he? Well, I guess he won this election now then.
>> No. 90717 Anonymous
5th October 2020
Monday 2:06 am
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>>90716
He is going to check himself out of hospital tomorrow and then try and resume normal duties, infecting everyone along the way.
>> No. 90718 Anonymous
5th October 2020
Monday 2:15 am
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>>90608
Which is why a lot of those anti-Trump Republicans are straight-up abandoning it.

You also have the likes of the Lincoln Project, which is run by some of the worst people you could imagine but the man's too much even for them.
>> No. 90719 Anonymous
5th October 2020
Monday 3:06 am
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>>90714

I've read interviews with him from 20 years ago and the difference is startling. He was actually insightful at times and could produce a decent turn of phrase, whereas watching his public appearances now makes the cognitive decline evident.
>> No. 90720 Anonymous
5th October 2020
Monday 3:21 am
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>>90719
That's the thing about both Trump and Biden which is a bit mental really - they're both in their fucking mid-seventies. I have hung out with many blokes in their seventies, and as you say that can still be charming, sometimes wise and interesting, but never exactly "on it" and certainly not all day long.
>> No. 90721 Anonymous
5th October 2020
Monday 6:49 pm
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>>90720
True, but the average 70-year-old has already been letting their brain idle for a while. I would expect people at the top levels of government to retain their faculties for longer (barring actual Alzheimer's, like Reagan). Sanders for example is 79 and still pretty sharp.
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