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|>>|| No. 91916
Has there been one single actual advantage of Brexit yet?
|>>|| No. 91917
Why would you put the Unicorn's horn that low down? Some people are twisted.
|>>|| No. 91919
The MHRA approved the Pfizer vaccine almost three weeks faster than the EMA did?
|>>|| No. 91926
they're fermented beans called "Natto" (pronounced Nah-doh) that you stir into your rice
|>>|| No. 91927
Not that anyone asked. You're also wrong. They're sometimes served on top of rice but you wouldn't stir them in.
|>>|| No. 91929
Brexit is worth it if I can have a Montana bar again. A few years back I found a Netto still open in Sheffield but it was only me in it so I doubt it's still open.
|>>|| No. 91930
You won't find a Netto in this country. Asda bought all of the stores out about 10 years ago, which is why you have those weird Asdas that are bigger than a convenience store but smaller than a supermarket. They tried coming back about 5 years ago in a joint venture with Sainsbury's to try and rival Lidl and Aldi but Sainsbo's decided to pull the plug.
|>>|| No. 91931
If it's not 50 different flavours of Kit Kats, this will have all been a massive waste of time.
|>>|| No. 91932
No, but it's hard to say there's been any considerable disadvantages either.
Give it a year and we might be able to say.
|>>|| No. 91933
>but it's hard to say there's been any considerable disadvantages either.
It really isn't, just ask the fishermen.
|>>|| No. 91934
Yeah, all their catch is rotting in transit because they can't export it. I'm sure that will do wonders for the price of the extra fish they can now get.
|>>|| No. 91935
But they were already unhappy when we were in the EU because the EU wasn't letting them catch those fish, which was the whole point. Net impact: neutral.
(See what I did there? Net? Like, what you catch fish in?)
|>>|| No. 91938
The "tampon tax" is gone. But that's about it.
They could have done this anyway, and indeed did so during the transition period.
|>>|| No. 91939
I've seen a similar point made a few times, it's kind of a dishonest conflation of the left and right arguments for Brexit. It should go without saying that what we've got is a right Brexit.
|>>|| No. 91942
Except the extra money spent mostly goes to incompetent subcontractors and not the NHS.
|>>|| No. 91943
It's about a decade too early to tell. And a very tedious decade it's going to be, with every closing factory mourned as a victim of Brexit and every tech unicorn championed as its vindicator.
So far the main stories have been:
- some lorries were stuck in traffic for a bit
- some fishermen in Scotland didn't get their paperwork ready
- a ham sandwich got confiscated
And look at how the media have whipped themselves into a frenzy over it. It's only going to get more and more tedious.
|>>|| No. 91944
Kindly fuck off.
I work at a company that exports and imports from the EU and I can tell you that it's been utter shambles, and this is for products that don't need anything other than an invoice and declaration of origin.
With fresh fish, the fisherman getting the paperwork wrong isn't the problem. It's getting the fish and the paperwork physically checked both sides of the border with a system that was cobbled together at the very last minute and simply isn't fit for purpose.
Remember that taking back our fisheries was one of the big benefits of Brexit we were told repeatedly. Whole fat fucking lot of good it does for us if it leaves us with no one to sell it to.
Yes we voted to leave the union but the only people who voted to leave the free trade area were in parliament.
|>>|| No. 91945
I'm genuinely worried about how many times I've heard the words "we don't have any and we don't know when we'll get more" over the past few weeks.
Honda are closing the Swindon plant in July and I don't blame them.
|>>|| No. 91946
I didn't have to pay import duty / VAT on a bit of gear I bought on ebay from Israel.
At least, I haven't had an invoice for the duty from DHL, and they didn't COD it, so I may be up £250 or so.
Not sure that compensates for import/export being a fucking shambles at the moment, but at least we haven't gone all Italy and just pile imported parcels up in a warehouse for a few months.
|>>|| No. 91947
>Worker protections enshrined in EU law — including the 48-hour week — would be ripped up under plans being drawn up by the government as part of a post-Brexit overhaul of UK labour markets.
>The package of deregulatory measures is being put together by the UK’s business department with the approval of Downing Street, according to people familiar with the matter. It has not yet been agreed by ministers — or put to the cabinet — but select business leaders have been sounded out on the plan.
>The proposed shake-up of regulations from the “working time directive” will delight many Tory MPs but is likely to spark outrage among Britain’s trade union leaders.
Finally and end to those pesky EU Worker Protections. Truly we are living in a Gilded Age.
|>>|| No. 91948
It's not really a trial if you pay for it, is it? If you're going to call yourselves the "Financial Times" you should at least know that much.
Anyway, this is the most obvious and insidious outcome of Tory Brexit and I feel no one really cares. Starmer's going to spend months asking the government to "do better" before abstaining from the final vote on the "Reintroduction of Poorhouses and Child Labour Bill" and the press will call it a victory for the "freedom to work 80 hours a week!". Most of the Remain hardcore were more upset that you'd need a visa to work in Berlin than anything like this, an issue that was of interest to about 0.333% of the country. My overwhelming opinion on politics lately is "what's the point?" because everything's been dragged so far into the pit of rightist irrationality and nihilism that it all feels quite hopeless to advocate anything else. I joined the Labour party just after the election, but didn't attend the three or four local meetings that took place before COVID took hold because of personal reasons. However, I really regret not doing so because it would be nice to have some kind of idea about what the Hell I can do in opposition to immorality and ineptitude of this government. Maybe they wouldn't have any ideas either, maybe I should have kept my money that went to Labour and bought an England shirt with RASHFORD on the back instead.
|>>|| No. 91949
I mean, Labour have pretty much already announced that they're going to be calling for a return to austerity.
|>>|| No. 91951
I remember this "news" because it gave me a chuckle. For the record, it has already been confirmed multiple times that it's not government policy: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55656593
The actual story (fuck you paywall-lad and no I don't care that I can piss about to read the article) is contained in a snippet that all stories insert with no context because readers don't know how the civil service works:
>The FT said the proposals were being drawn up with the approval of Downing Street, but that they hadn't yet been approved by ministers or cabinet.
It's a draft policy paper where civil servants explore ideas of which thousands are produced every year and involve multiple stages before ever getting sign-off - including consultation with stakeholders. The ask here is no doubt connected to the upcoming Employment Bill which even the TUC are asking for and at this stage likely involves some overworked junior civil servant knocking it together as an early draft given we now kind-of have certainty. Have a good think of how long this has been in development from civil servants getting properly back from Christmas with even the Internal Market Act only passing mid-December.
You'll notice that it's not been picked up as a big news story because it's stupid to get worked up on but I figured you lads would seen start screeching. The real story is that a draft policy paper has been leaked and reported on which is a pretty dangerous thing that keeps happening for the Civil Service.
|>>|| No. 91952
Again, the Brexiteers are their own worst enemy thanks to their using the EU as a scapegoat for things that the British Government has always been free to legislate around.
Take holiday entitlement, the UK has higher mandatory holiday pay requirements than the EU law required.
On the other hand, there has been enough pressure from businesses in this country that while still in the EU our government added a clause to the working time directive that says that workers can simply opt-out of the 48 hour limit.
I reckon all this talk about changes to the working time directive are just a smokescreen to hide some far more insidious plans they have to change employment law. Perhaps they're going to strip away a lot of rights of unions, changes which would conveniently strip a lot of funding from a particular party that's in opposition to the current government.
|>>|| No. 91953
Who could have possibly seen this coming.
Boy I'm sure glad those Labour centrists made Corbyn do the right thing instead of letting him support Brexit openly and had a chance of taking control of the process.
|>>|| No. 91954
You have to be daft not to think it's exactly the soft of thing our current government will eventually do. Must you be reminded that this is the same party who cut the mandatory hour's lunch break entitlement down to a paltry 20 minutes in a nine hour shift? That we've been through a pandemic while statutory sick pay is so poor as to be nonexistent?
Are you just wilfully naive, or are you a business owner?
|>>|| No. 91955
Well obviously now that I've explained why it's a non-story that doesn't matter because it's real in your mind.
|>>|| No. 91958
Something about that site makes me really uncomfortable. Probably referring to it as a 'fresh nicotine experience', and 'enjoying a steady delivery of nicotine'.
I guess they have to dance around the fact they are selling hits of one of the world's shittest and most addictive drugs, but it feels like something about of a Vanderhoeven film.
|>>|| No. 91959
Nicotine actually has plenty of beneficial effects on its own, it's highly addictive sure but so is caffeine and nobody thinks twice about guzzling down coffee.
Nicotine without the act of smoking should always be perfectly legal IMO.
|>>|| No. 91960
I'd be just as uncomfortable referring to someone 'enjoying a steady delivery of caffiene' or a 'fresh alcohol experience'. It's the corporate talk more than anything.
|>>|| No. 91961
It's on the level of describing your bloated software development framework as "Rich". I hope that whoever does that feels ashamed of it in ten years time.
|>>|| No. 91962
Problem with nicotine is that in most terms it's much more "potent" than caffeine.
For someone who's never used it, it takes a fairly small amount to make you ill. If you use it regularly tolerance builds very quickly and it stops having any effect unless you keep upping the dose. And the tolerance is longer lasting.
Microdosing is a thing people are getting into but it's probably not realistic that you can keep taking a dose that you'll actually notice but it too low to build up a tolerance.
I do vape sometimes, just with the weakest juice you can get and only like a few puffs once or twice a week. I find it helps pull me out of the mid-afternoon lull.
|>>|| No. 91963
It's also carcinogenic, I think. I thought it wasn't but someone who works in medical logistics strongly disagreed.
|>>|| No. 91964
Standard 21st century marketing experience, do you not just mentally filter that stuff out by now?
What would be nice is if we can get big vape tanks back instead of the 2ml tanks the EU mandated because they're backing Big Tobacco.
|>>|| No. 91966
Maybe I'm just overly cynical in all areas of life, or maybe it's just some kind of incredibly shit superpower, but I find it incredibly easy to smell bullshit and ignore it honestly.
|>>|| No. 91967
>but someone who works in medical logistics strongly disagreed.
It must be true, then.
|>>|| No. 91970
we are no longer ruled from abroad.
(A good day to you Sir!)
|>>|| No. 91971
Maybe it's just a sign of getting older but a 'fresh alcohol experience' sounds like sipping some industrial solvent from a paint can followed a few hours later by softly weeping into a toilet bowl. I'll stick to the brown stuff that comes from a jerrycan tah.
>I do vape sometimes, just with the weakest juice you can get and only like a few puffs once or twice a week. I find it helps pull me out of the mid-afternoon lull.
Think about how that would read if you were smoking a light cigarette. As someone who recently stopped smoking I realise that I sound like a tosser but just have a cup of tea and biccie.
|>>|| No. 91972
Oi, what happened to my tinfoil post about Yank vape bans?
|>>|| No. 91973
Sure, you might not consciously acknowledge it, but advertising is designed to worm its way into your subconscious.
|>>|| No. 91974
>Think about how that would read if you were smoking a light cigarette.
What's the relevancy of that? Apples to car tyres m8.
Think about how that would read if you were shooting up a small dose of heroin. As someone who recently got off the smack I know I sound like a tosser, but just take up smoking.
|>>|| No. 91975
>Think about how that would read if you were smoking a light cigarette.
"Light" cigarettes just have holes in the filter to trick the smoking machines they use to measure tar and nicotine. Vaping isn't safe per se, but it's at least 95% less harmful than smoking according to Public Health England.
|>>|| No. 91977
There is no way banning in American states wasn't the invisible influence of big tobacco. Equally I refuse to belive the removal of this post was a coincidence. What was your price mods? 30 pieces of silver? A lifetime supply of huel? How deep does this conspiracy go?
|>>|| No. 91978
>Vaping isn't safe per se, but it's at least 95% less harmful than smoking according to Public Health England.
Also importantly it's much easier to control the dose.
You can use different strengths liquid and measure how much you're going through to know exactly how much nicotine you're getting.
How many people do you know who smoke a third of a cigarette and put the rest in the pack for later?
Unfortunately most vapers go in the complete opposite direction and get hooked on stronger and stronger liquids until they're on the equivalent of a 40 a day habit.
|>>|| No. 91979
>Unfortunately most vapers go in the complete opposite direction and get hooked on stronger and stronger liquids until they're on the equivalent of a 40 a day habit.
That's pretty shit, but still a lot safer than smoking, eh?
|>>|| No. 91980
It's a pain in the arse to get hold of weaker liquid. Most shops that sell the stuff don't have any weaker than 6ml. You can plan ahead and taper off gradually but if you ever get caught short for any reason, it's back to square one until you can get it delivered or make it to a specialist shop.
|>>|| No. 91981
If you're genuinely replacing smoking with it, it's like when you go from straights to rollies and realise how much you can save, so you end up scouring the Internet for big 100ml bottles that come without nicotine for a tenner each. Then you add in shots to the strength you desire.
I've never had a good experience buying e-liquids from real shops.
|>>|| No. 91982
Vaping will cause COPD and/or lung cancer almost as certainly as tobacco does, it's just not been around long enough to obtain longitudinal clinical data to attest to this.
|>>|| No. 91984
>UK fish exporters are unable to sell into European markets because of delays at borders and complain that Boris Johnson and others misled them about Brexit. Leading supermarket chains are warning ministers of food shortages in Northern Ireland because of new border rules and bureaucracy. And small UK companies such as Paul’s, which thrived as part of the EU single market, are saying they may have no future at all in exporting into continental Europe because of the crippling new costs.
I mean, it's the Grauniad so make of it what you will but I'm not seeing triumphant stories in the Telegraph about how SME is creating jobs and raising the GDP for Britain.
Can anybody provide a single positive article pertaining to the effects of Brexit? Even JRM was quoted as saying it will take 50 years to see the benefit.
|>>|| No. 91985
Regularly filling the lungs with volatile aromatic compounds is going to increase the frequency of mutagenic change to DNA resulting in cancers.
>Vape users self-report similar negative respiratory symptoms to tobacco users
>Three patients with known peripheral arterial disease who switched from heavy cigarette smoking consumption to a high-intensity dose of nicotine e-vaping all developed further arterial complications within 6-30 months.
> Although research remains somewhat equivocal, there is clear reason for concern regarding the potential oncogenicity of E-Cigarettes/E-Liquids with a strong basic and molecular science basis. Given lag times (extrapolating from tobacco smoke data) of perhaps 20 years, this may have significant future public health implications. Thus, the authors feel further study in this field is strongly warranted and consideration should be made for tighter control and regulation of these products.
I personally would rather smoke a cigarette than a vape, although I understand the appeal of vaping. Don't kid yourself on that it's harmless however.
|>>|| No. 91986
There's the fact that seasonal labour like fruit picking has been forced to offer a living wage for the first time in living memory, but of course that's secretly a bad thing because it means your strawberries cost 20p more.
|>>|| No. 91987
Vaping started to become popular around 2011, so we'll start to see all the never 'smoked, only vaped' zoomers getting lung cancer in another 10 years or so. Screenshot this.
|>>|| No. 91988
Oh well. I'm willing to roll the dice on my own purely anecdotal experience that ever since switching from a 15-20 a day smoking habit, the shortness of breath, and hacking cough have completely cleared up. I'm not going to pretend it's completely healthy but it's definitely a lesser evil, and in my case that's good enough because I'd be a lifetime smoker otherwise.
At any rate I'll be surprised if when I'm on my deathbed, they tell me it was my 5ml a day vaping habit what done it. The pollution of living in a city is probably much more damaging.
|>>|| No. 91990
>a lesser evil
>>The pollution of living in a city is probably much more damaging.
|>>|| No. 91992
It's funny because when they say "coronavirus is the likely cause" it really means "the fact there's no jobs because of coronavirus", which is why the migrants were here.
When the economy does open back up and we're outside the EU, in theory they'll have to offer better wages to attract employees, so the British working class will be better off. Supply and demand that innit.
Of course, the capitalists don't like that when it doesn't work in their favour.
|>>|| No. 91993
That's really piss-poor data. The first study is a survey of 49 e-cigarette users who reported experiencing negative respiratory symptoms, which is hardly representative. The second is a case report of three people with fucked arteries; it tells us basically nothing that their arteries kept getting worse after they packed in the fags.
The third paper is more subtly crap - it's a review of other crap papers. Several researchers made the mistake (or "mistake") of buying a high-power box mod, fitting it with a crap atomiser and cranking it up to full power. They get vapour samples with shitloads of VOCs, aldehydes and PAHs, but no actual vaper would do this because the liquid is being burned rather than atomised and tastes absolutely horrendous.
More broadly, there's the mistake of testing e-cigarettes in isolation rather than comparing them to conventional cigarettes. Nobody is arguing that e-cigarettes are harmless, but we have hundreds of studies demonstrating that they're vastly safer than conventional cigarettes. Giving up nicotine completely is the best option, but giving up cigarettes is much more important and e-cigarettes are a fantastic harm reduction option for people who can't or won't quit nicotine use.
>While vaping may not be 100% safe, most of the chemicals causing smoking-related disease are absent and the chemicals that are present pose limited danger.
>Encouraging smokers who cannot or do not want to stop smoking to switch to EC could be adopted as one of the key strategies to reduce smoking related disease and death.
|>>|| No. 91994
They should never have banned vaping indoors IMO.
Maybe in rooms the size of lifts but that's about it.
|>>|| No. 91995
Parachuts are dangerous, but they are significantly safer than jumping out of a plane without one. Let's not pretend vape is even in the same ball park as
inhaling smoke (which regardless of the source is inherently dangerous) and buttering your lungs with tar which has obvious high health impacts.
I am sure at some point tobacco companies will find a single case of pneumonia where water vapour in the lungs from vape contributed and parade it out as a false equivalence, but don't buy into their shit prematurely.
|>>|| No. 91996
>James Owen, owner of Outdoor Toys, says high transport costs and port congestion may mean larger toys such as swings, trampolines and climbing frames will be more expensive.
>Trampoline prices could soar by 40-50%, he told BBC 5 Live's Wake Up to Money. "The port congestion just keeps snowballing," he said. "More and more issues keep arising," Mr Owen added. "We can't get space out of China, there's a container shortage. Hauliers are really stretched, rates keep climbing."
>His firm makes some products in the UK already and rising shipping costs will mean it will become economical to make more.
Get ready for the post-Brexit bounce.
Asthma innit. Although I suspect the stronger drive was twats would smugly puffing away when they were asked not to.
|>>|| No. 91997
That and group of vape enthusiasts with vapour set to max could quickly have a pub looking like a disco with a malfunctioning smoke machine.
|>>|| No. 91998
If Brexit revives manufacturing in the UK, that would actually be great. But I can't see the Neoliberals that run shit ever allowing it.
|>>|| No. 91999
The neoliberals would be perfectly happy to bring back manufacturing in the UK, but that would only be viable if British people would be willing to a) work in factories for £2 an hour or b) pay loads more for stuff just because it's made in Britain.
Even if Chinese wages reached parity with British wages, we'd still struggle to compete because of our higher land prices. If the government confiscated land to build factories on, we'd need to spend a couple of trillion to develop the necessary skills and infrastructure to have a viable manufacturing base.
Pretty much the only reason anyone had for manufacturing in the UK was efficient ports and full access to the EU market, both of which have just gone up in smoke.
|>>|| No. 92000
>pay loads more for stuff just because it's made in Britain
If we can ensure that the stuff being made won't have planned obsolescence built in, and still be fit for purpose for more than two years, it'd be a rare selling point that would possibly even make British Stuff™ attractive for exports again.
...A man can dream.
|>>|| No. 92002
>that would only be viable if British people would be willing to a) work in factories for £2 an hour or b) pay loads more for stuff just because it's made in Britain.
Just build on automation with emerging tech like IIOT and move production outside of the SE. I also think that we're probably passed the point of cheap low-quality goods. The west has become more environmentally focused while the developing world has itself started to measure the costs - China has especially changed.
>Pretty much the only reason anyone had for manufacturing in the UK was efficient ports and full access to the EU market
That's stupid and you know it. 25% of the UK economy is manufacturing where our advantages are technical-scientific such as Rolls-Royce engines or JCB otherwise it's food/drink manufacturing where we shovel out Vimto to the Middle East for Ramadan.
The decline of British manufacturing has been multifaceted but connected to the strength of the pound and wider government priorities.
|>>|| No. 92004
Somewhere out there is a timeline where Britain made like Japan and started manipulating the value of its currency downwards to promote exports and domestic consumption rather than fetishising a high pound.
|>>|| No. 92005
>our advantages are technical-scientific such as Rolls-Royce engines or JCB
I neglected to mention the other advantage Britain offers to manufacturers - a blind eye to corruption.
Rolls-Royce wouldn't be in business were it not for massive amounts of bribery and their willingness to flog jet engines to despotic regimes. JCB have donated millions to the Tory party and received hundreds of millions in government support, despite the fact that they're technically a Dutch company and pay no UK tax.
|>>|| No. 92006
Yeah, but in this timeline we got to go on package holidays to places with cheap beer.
|>>|| No. 92009
One of my biggest regrets in life is not spotting the niche earlier and becoming a streamer with a furry avatar (they'll spunk money on anything) or one of those people who just plays all the mods for a certain game (niche appeal).
I can do a great Russian accent, I could have just played STALKER Misery for a living.
|>>|| No. 92011
Swindon closing is more about import tariffs being scrapped on cars built in Asia than Brexit
|>>|| No. 92012
The opt out clause of the “working time directive” made it meaningless to the lower end of the job market, during the initial interview you would be asked 'would you be prepared to sign the opt out ' with the implication quite clear, say no and kablam your 'not suitable' for reasons
|>>|| No. 92013
In most companies I've worked at, I was able to simply not sign the opt-out, but one particularly scummy place wrote the opt-out into the contract and stated that you could opt-in on three months' written notice.
tl;dr capitalists are cunts.
|>>|| No. 92014
For me it's paradoxical that back when I was given the opt-out I worked 9-5 and then fucked off. Now that I'm in an established job where it's never in the contract I probably do work in excess of 48 hours some weeks just because the place would fall apart if I didn't.
Managers and specialists of the world, unite! The workers will be lost without their chains!
|>>|| No. 92015
It's averaged over 17 weeks, so as long as it's not constant it's fine. I've had people say "we need it otherwise you can't work out of hours", only for me to say (1) I don't particularly want to work out of hours, and (2) even if I did I'd need to basically work 7-day weeks for 4 months straight to break through.
|>>|| No. 92018
The trial is the most expensive option in the long run ("Trial" is £53.00/month, "Digital" is £33.00, "Print" is £31.20). I think they know exactly what they're doing.
|>>|| No. 92050
That's hardly an extraordinary twist, is it? That's just exactly what we knew would happen.
|>>|| No. 92051
It's an extraordinary twist that a Government department is basically telling businesses "fuck off to Europe if you love them so much".
|>>|| No. 92052
I suppose more realistically it's an extraordinary twist that a government department is giving good, truthful advice?
|>>|| No. 92054
She's using her right hand to jiggle the mouse, but it's on the left side of the keyboard.
|>>|| No. 92055
I don't know what it is specifically, but it looks like one of those multi-workstation controller keyboards often seen in control rooms and trading floors. Weytec made a relatively recent example:
I'd actually really find one useful, I have to run five different systems at the same time at work.
|>>|| No. 92056
If you have the technical aptitude, would be a nice project to build one, or at least the top half of one with a normal keyboard as the bottom half.
Mechanical keyswitches are pretty cheap and readily available now, and its quite easy to design a PCB and get it custom printed in China to mount the switches.
It's possible to use an Arduino to create an input device which will send macros to the PC. You could even recreate those diplays using Arduino but it would be harder to program.
|>>|| No. 92060
I have been thinking about it, it would be genuinely useful and I have some arduino and pi experience, and have built mech boards.
For a long time I wanted to do a "cyberdeck" build for no real practical reason, this is just the adult, justified version of that.
|>>|| No. 92062
Nevermind, we don't need them anyway.
All the recent hassle has prompted the decision by true workhorse of the British economy, Games Workshop, to bring all their manufacturing and printing back home from China to the UK. That'll be an instant ten percent boost to the GDP.
|>>|| No. 92064
I didn't even know we paid anyone to leave the country, let alone EU citizens. Wasn't this basically BNP policy?
|>>|| No. 92067
I don't think he meant it in a racist way, just in a "I want to get off this fucking island way".
|>>|| No. 92068
I think >>92066 knew exactly what >>92063 meant.
I am a naturalized Australian citizen and living there if you complain about Ozzy things people are legit like 'Well fuck off if you don't like it then' and I actually think it's pretty fair dinkum.
Happy Australia Day!
|>>|| No. 92070
I actually feel for the Home Office given that it has been nearly 5 years of absolute kid's gloves and Brexit dominating the news. Anyone who still doesn't have this sorted is royally taking the piss and shouldn't get special treatment compared to any other immigrant.
|>>|| No. 92071
Not the lad you're replying to but I don't plan on sticking around long enough for the door to hit me. Soon as this pandemic shit is over and my visa application is back, I'm gone. Fuck this place.
|>>|| No. 92072
I only just got back to being in the UK in Sep '19 after leaving in 2015.
Looking at these most recent messages.
If rats are first to leave a sinking ship, what organism is quickest to return to one?
|>>|| No. 92074
I don't understand how someone gets this bitter about a whole country. It's not as if anywhere out there is exactly perfect, and I've heard the same attitude from people all over the world. I even knew a New Zealander who lived in Manchester, and I asked him why the fuck he possibly thought that was an upgrade- He hated NZ because it's so big, empty, and full of nothing but old people and sheep.
Is it more likely that you've just alienated all your mates, burnt every bridge, and fucked your life up so badly you need a fresh start in another country? Or is it really true that this country and its circumstances specifically are shite enough that you think any other country is substantially better, and doesn't simply have problems of its own?
I'm not saying you are that kind of guy, by the way, so don't take it personally. That's just how I've always felt this attitude comes across.
|>>|| No. 92075
I'm a big fan of Nordic social democracy. If they spoke English and it wasn't so fucking cold I'd move up there like a shot.
|>>|| No. 92077
As someone who had left the UK years ago but popped back every so often, it's a lot easier to see the country going to shit when you're on the outside. When you're here it's all small, slow incremental changes where you can say "Ah it won't be that bad" "I'm sure it'll be fine" and then you come to terms with it because what else can you do. If you're on the outside and come back in, you really notice what's changed and what's become worse.
|>>|| No. 92078
I have a mate who moved to Estonia for a woman only to end up horrified with the society. It's not that anything is wrong per se. but everyone looks the same, dresses the same and acts or same. Or else.
It all went tits up but he managed to fuck her mum which is impressive in its own right
|>>|| No. 92082
Well what then? 20mph speed limits? No Woolworths? Piers Morgan on daytime TV? What is it?
|>>|| No. 92084
Salaries generally have not increased in the past 10 years which is a cut in real terms when you consider inflation. Taken alongside the considerable increase in cost of living (Mostly due to Rent and Freddo Frogs) the quality of life for most Brits has been in slow decline.
Also I don't like the aesthetics of the beauty standards that Instagram has young women aspiring towards.
And the music today is too loud.
|>>|| No. 92087
I think my main thing is that everyone and everything here is so ultimately entrenched that it's all but impossible to change anything from the bottom up. If you're not fucking minted or born into six-toed ponyfucker aristocracy (one and the same) literally nothing you can do will change anything.
I've been involved in silly socialist groups at university, and sure some of these groups may be well-intentioned but ultimately useless, but it really woke me up to the fact that these people are just as entrenched in their views and in a way, the status quo suits them because they can forever whinge. I unsuccessfully tried even just chipping away at the fact that The Yoot simply don't respond to the talking points and imagery and handing out pamphlets on a street corner isn't the way that information spreads among people my age. I never really liked Momentum but at least they understood that.
All the unions I've been involved with as I've been a worker (GMB, Unite, and a more specific one I won't reveal the name of) have at most been able to act as a brake on shit getting worse -- they have rarely been able to tangibly make anything better, just resist the worst of contract changes and working conditions, but in the end, things are still getting worse.
I've grown up with the rug being continually pulled out from under me -- told that I and my peers must go to university if we want a good job, but EMA being cut the year before I could have got it, same with tuition fees going up from £3k to £9k and later £9250. Wages falling in real terms whilst the triple lock on pensions continues; the pension age going up.
The media here is so insidious, performing absolute character assassinations on anyone who dare try and change the fucked-up status quo.
130,000 dead for 'purely ideological reasons'. Another 100,000 dead from complete mismanagement. UNICEF feeding kids. 4+ million kids in poverty.
Not that much of this is unique to the UK (though the fully entrenched class system absolutely is in the form we have it), but if I'm going to watch the planet burn whilst being utterly powerless to do anything about it, I might as well go somewhere where it's a bit sunnier and wages are higher.
|>>|| No. 92088
I popped my head into the live feed of PMQs via my local Trinity Mirror newspaper's Facebook page today. The comments were the same four or five people spamming that Starmer was a lefty wanker and he had no plans and wouldn't do a better job over and over again. There were even a few uses of the Captain Hindsight nickname. Utter bootlickers.
|>>|| No. 92091
It's not the fact that these people are so nasty as to comment 'Nicola Sturgeon needs to be sectioned' that winds me up, it's the fact they don't shut up. They've said their bit, now let other people contribute. But it was constant repetition of the same few talking points. Almost as if it was designed to give people the impression there was huge public support for the government.
|>>|| No. 92092
A lot of those kinds of posts are made by bots, and the ones that aren't may as well have been.
|>>|| No. 92093
"I SUPPORT BORIS 100%" was a bot I remember before the last election. Hundreds if not thousands of comments on so many political posts.
|>>|| No. 92095
And that is one of the myriad reasons that the tories will continue to win in perpetuity. For a bunch of tech-illiterate boomers, they aren't afraid to do the shadiest internet shit imaginable. Labour always seem to take the high ground, but this isn't a fair game.
|>>|| No. 92098
Batman: You don't understand. I don't think you've ever understood.
Jason Todd: What? That your moral code just won't allow for that? It's too hard to cross that line?
Batman: No! God Almighty, no. It'd be too damned easy. But if I do that, if I allow myself to go down into that place... I'll never come back.
|>>|| No. 92099
The average age of a Conservative Party member was 57 in 2017. I can't imagine the yoot flooding them since then, so let's assume that's not changed. Assuming '45-'64 is the Boomer Years, it'd make your average tory a boomer. Only just, I'll grant you that.
|>>|| No. 92102
Boomer stereotypes don't work in Britain because our economic experience diverges from America's considerably. It's not only dumb generational slang from the otherplace but one that attempts to apply American politics to Britain.
|>>|| No. 92103
In the UK anybody who was old enough to be able to buy a house in the 90s or earlier is a boomer.
|>>|| No. 92105
I know plenty of people who post pro-Labour, anti-Tory things online and none of them are actual Labour party members.
|>>|| No. 92106
>the same four or five people spamming that Starmer was a lefty wanker
It's funny that, because amidst the political circles I dip my toes in it's all "Starmer is a Tory bastard" and "Starmer is a racist fashy".
I'm starting to form a new political opinion, and it's probably the first genuinely novel one I've had in the last five or six years: If there's one thing more insufferable than a Tory, it's an ex-Labour member.
|>>|| No. 92107
They are correct though. Of course Starmer is right-wing. I don't see him reforming the economy into democratic workers' councils any time soon, do you? But that's irrelevant to the perception of the kind of Tory supporter who spams newspaper comment sections who think him a red under the bed.
|>>|| No. 92108
Arguably yes, but they're not saying it out of any understanding of his political position. They're just parroting shite like "saying "Labour will be the party of the family" is a right wing heteronormative dogwhistle".
Both sides and all that, but it's basically the same kind of frothy mouthed fanaticism. He's no Jay Cee and appointing Israeli special service operatives to his security team is a bit... Well, what do you even say about something like that, considering everything?
But even so I'd still find it hard to call him anything but centrist.
|>>|| No. 92110
Again, I find myself agreeing with your friends whom you hate - 'family values' is a socially conservative dogwhistle. If you're going to call saying that frothy mouthed fanaticism, then you must be able to explain what appealing to 'family values' actually means in practice for policy and how those policies are responsible and reasonable?
Oh fuck me I was wrong he took a photo while kneeling. That's basically the same as actually ending racism.
|>>|| No. 92111
I'd call it more like what it actually is- An empty centrist politician saying whatever he thinks sounds the most electable. The focus groups say people like family? He'll say it. A dogwhistle is a coded reference to something only an insider-group would pick up on- "family values" might indeed be a socially conservative talking point, but he's not even attempting to mask it, he's just outright stating a vague gesture of approval for it.
There's nothing fashy about it, it's just a broad attempt to appeal to the former Red Wall voters who have jumped ship because Labour has become too socially progressive for them. Calling anything that isn't your side of the socially progressive/conservative fence fascism is just a deeply wearisome British equivalent of Trump Derangement.
Anyway in practice it'll just mean boosting child tax credits or some shit. I understand the point being made when people say it's heteronormative, but I'm straight and don't have or want kids, and it would discriminate against me for the exact same reasons. So that's bollocks too.
I just want people to be accurate when criticising somebody. Call him a morally bankrupt and politically empty centrist, but don't call him a fascist, because he's clearly fucking not.
|>>|| No. 92112
Cruel as it is I wish there were more people who just made fun of Starmer for being charmless and Labour for being rudderless. When people on the Labour left go after him for conceding on this policy or this or that mealy mouthed focus grouped sop to nobody they miss the much wider open goal that he's just a bit shit. His lack of charisma and weird voice will keep him out of number 10 no matter what, and just in case that isn't enough it's going to be bolstered by Labour's traditional complete lack of focus: Today he's talking about hardworkingbritishfamilies, tomorrow he'll be on about "controls on immigration", the next day he'll waste valuable time and money on a trip to Scotland, and then he'll cap it off by saying something on poverty which will have enough workfare-y dogwhistles to piss off the left while leaving everyone else convinced he's out to give doleys another Mazda.
But it doesn't suit anyone to focus on the detached, technical side of things: The left can't help but fall into the role Starmer wants them to play by whining about policy and when they try mocking him they can't really stick the landing because it clearly comes from a place of bitterness rather than a sort of detached amusement that he's no good. You'd think the right might do a better job of it, but they've got much greater to just lie and pretend that he's actually a raving Marxist Europhile who'll take us back to the 1970s. There's nobody really capable of putting aside their personal politics and going: Objectively, the kindest rating you can give Starmer is that he's the best of a bad lot for a party perpetually caught in zugzwang. Love or hate Blair and new Labour, he had charisma and they had message discipline. Starmer doesn't, and at the end of the day in the absence of those two things it doesn't matter how many old buzzwords you use, how many policies you jettison or how many lefties you fight with, in the absence of charisma and a clear message you will not become prime minister at a general election. Labour is going to poll ahead in the middle when people are half ignoring politics and then crash again in 2024 when it falls into the trap of putting up a weirdo with a badly planned campaign against the government, which has the advantage of being the government. The only really interesting question is whether the crash will be Labour's 1992 or its MH370.
And when you're trapped in a situation such as this, what can you do but try to see the humour in it? Even if it's your party and your leader. Especially if it's your party and your leader.
|>>|| No. 92113
At this rate covid will still be on by 2024, and BoJo will fucking wish that wierdo with a funny accent was the actual Marxist he was up against last time.
See it's funny because Starmer started off so well, hot off the leadership race knowing he had to say all the right things and shut very tightly the fuck up about certain others. If he'd kept all that stuff up it'd be fine, and sure all the Momentum lot would be off having a tantrum in their playpen, but everyone else would be on board. And I say that as someone most people would identify as one of the Momentum lot.
Instead he's immediately reverted to the aimless careerist default setting of going for the worst of both worlds.
|>>|| No. 92114
I didn't mention fascism and neither did your friends in the context of this one phrase so I don't know what you're on about.
|>>|| No. 92115
Oh, and also:
>A dogwhistle is a coded reference to something only an insider-group would pick up on- "family values" might indeed be a socially conservative talking point, but he's not even attempting to mask it, he's just outright stating a vague gesture of approval for it.
I'm not sure you understand the concept.
|>>|| No. 92116
>accusations of dog whistling are, by their nature, hard to prove, and may be false.
Bit of an own goal there m8lad
|>>|| No. 92119
Hang on, shepherding whistles aren't ultrasonic. They're variable pitch, and bloody hard to get to work, so you need to be able to hear them.
(Therefore the rest of it must also be tainted).
|>>|| No. 92120
What's there to refute lad? Someone said 'family values' can't be a dogswhistle; I show that its usage has been written into the definition of the term in an encyclopaedia citing two academic writers; that's been ignored in favour of 'oh well you might still be wrong somehow!'
|>>|| No. 92121
So only you're allowed to ignore elements of the wikipedia article which you yourself linked to defend your position?
|>>|| No. 92122
Original lad you were replying to here. You didn't engage with any of the substance of my arguments, of which I made about three or four distinct points, so I can only assume you've no real counter to them.
I'm not really interested in continuing the debate so okay, it's a dogwhistle and Starmer is a literal member of the Conservative party. Good day.
|>>|| No. 92123
I think you are misunderstanding the premise of the objection. It's not that is doesn't signal conservative values, it's that it isn't a dogwhistle because everyone already knows exactly what it means.
It's an ordinary whistle.
|>>|| No. 92124
I don't expect Boris to stay on if he's not polling well in late 2023. In situations where both parties stick to their playbooks the Conservatives always win. They're more ruthless than Labour and tend to have incumbency advantage.
|>>|| No. 92125
If you mean this >>92111, then this >>92114. Seemed to me all your points were predicated on Starmer being labelled a fascist. I agree with you that he's not a fascist and to my recollection he hasn't said anything I would characterise as fascist.
|>>|| No. 92127
Right, as said by Stalin, who famously never came up with paranoid bullshit excuses to murder anyone who got in his way.
|>>|| No. 92129
You quote somebody because you consider them to be reliably illustrating a point you're trying to make, I don't think quoting the world's most paranoid mass murderer does much for your argument.
|>>|| No. 92133
Alright, I don't know why that posted four times, I hope it got.my point across though.
|>>|| No. 92136
It very reliably illustrates a point lad, you're just a bit too thick to realise what it was apparently. You're only strengthening the point.
I'll spell it out for you: If you're comparing a milquetoast socdem to a fascist, you're in the company of dullards and tankies. Famous humanitarian progressive Josef Stalin is among the people who agree with you.
|>>|| No. 92141
I'm a moron, I thought this was the one China signed with Australia and all the ASEAN coutnries.
|>>|| No. 92143
I think you mean better start sucking up to the 60-odd people living in the Pitcairn Islands (with nearly a third of the men being convicted pedos*). Pitxit would be hilariously poor timing.
*Start checking those IPs you ban, modlads.
|>>|| No. 92145
>Mastercard will increase its transaction fees for British shoppers purchasing from an EU-based company on October 15.
>Credit card fees will increase from 0.3 to 1.5 percent of the value of the purchase, and debit card fees will increase from 0.2 to 1.15 percent, the Financial Times reports. Since Brexit, cross-Channel card fees no longer fall under an EU cap on transaction levies.
>MP Kevin Hollinrake, who chairs the all-party parliamentary group on Fair Business Banking, called the move “alarming,” adding that it “smacks of opportunism” and has called on regulators to make sure similar companies do not use Brexit for economic gain.
|>>|| No. 92146
FINALLY, THE BRITISH PEOPLE HAVE SECURED THEIR GOD-GIVEN RIGHT TO BE RIPPED OFF BY MASTERCARD!
|>>|| No. 92147
VISA have apparently not yet got any plans to increase their fees yet, but wouldnt be surprising if they did the same next financial year.
|>>|| No. 92339
By 'the Brexiters', are you referring to the parliamentary group of Europhilic Conservatives?
|>>|| No. 93033
Traditional British values I can get behind.
We need to get Starmer pictured eating Greggs and Wimpy next.
|>>|| No. 93035
Hoping that they start putting the toys back into the center of lucky tatties next.
|>>|| No. 93037
WE'VE LEFT THE EU, SO WHY HAVEN'T THEY BROUGHT BACK OPAL FRUITS? BREXIT MEANS BREXIT.
|>>|| No. 93050
Doesn't Asda do a Curly the Caterpillar? I'd love to know what makes that legally distinct.
Also, I had no idea Colin was an M&S thing - has it always been? I struggle to accept that my mum went in to marks and sparks for any reason, not least to buy me a cake.
|>>|| No. 93051
>We’re opening it up to a broader range of people who don’t necessarily buy frozen but would buy fresh and would buy into sausages. The product flavour profiles match sausages [and] the product has a lot of connotations with sausage. We thought sausages exist in fresh and frozen, so why can’t the Twizzler?
So it's Turkey sausages with a sprinkling of MSG for flavour? That sounds lovely but still.
|>>|| No. 93078
I reckon Sainsbury's looks the best but I'll have to get back to you on taste. All-in-all I can't help but feel this is a cynical ploy to get the names out with kids parties on the horizon.
Aldi seems to certainly be playing it that way on twitter.
|>>|| No. 93080
>Aldi seems to certainly be playing it that way on twitter.
I think they've played a blinder here by tweeting stupid stuff about it. No matter how the case goes, they've won, I reckon. If they lose all they have to do is disfigure colin a bit and people will still buy him.
|>>|| No. 93104
>Hey @marksandspencer can Colin and Cuthbert be besties? We’re bringing back a limited edition Cuthbert and want to donate profits to cancer charities including your partners @macmillancancer & ours @teenagecancer. Let’s raise money for charity, not lawyers #caterpillarsforcancer.
>Morning @Tesco @sainsburys @asda @Morrisons @waitrose @coopuk. Cuthbert needs the help of Curly, Clyde, Cecil, Charlie, Morris and Wiggles. Caterpillars clubbing together to raise money for charity, not lawyers. #caterpillarsforcancer. Up for it?
Remind me to never get on the bad side of Aldi. I was surprised to learn that they actually stopped selling Cuthbert months ago but have now brought him back in direct response to the IP challenge (and fundraising).
|>>|| No. 93105
They're definitely enjoying themselves as they thumb their noses at the repercussions our legal system might bring to bear on them.
Some of the tweets made me chuckle and this isn't Aldi's fault per se but it is a little bit concerning how fast and loose a corporation can play with IP law where a non-corporate entity would be buried for it.
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