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|>>|| No. 20026
Almost there, lads. 18th of December. Original cast reprising there roles, lots of practical effects where possible and a story which looks to be Naussica: The Live Action Movie from the new trailer.
Share your thoughts, fears, hopes and expectations.
|>>|| No. 20028
I was thinking about this and I could not understand all the hype around it. For a moment I started considering that it was all manufactured, and any person who spoke about it was paid by the studio.
|>>|| No. 20029
A lot of it is manufactured but there's still a lot of fan hype. Some people just really like Star Wars for whatever reason.
|>>|| No. 20030
Star Wars is one of the most fleshed out fantasy universes we've ever had, it puts the LOTR to shame with the depth of it's lore, but we've not had a new story or new characters in a long time because of how much people complain when you deviate from already established canon.
This is something new, but it feels like something old. Something familiar, a coming home, but also a new beginning. It's fine if you don't get the hype, lad. No one is asking you to like it, simply to appreciate what this means for some people. George Lucas has been holding this franchise hostage, essentially, and butchered the OT when he remastered them.
|>>|| No. 20031
It's a bit unusual not to be able to empathise with the joy someone feels when they're excited about something.
Last film I was properly excited about seeing was Interstellar and then Love conquered all and I was a bit miffed, but still it doesn't stop me from wanting to relive a bit of that teenage wonderment.
Who is this new bad guy supposed to be anyway? Wasn't the Empire destroyed?
|>>|| No. 20032
Google says Kylo Ren.
Running theory is he's Not-Jacen, and therefore Han and Leia's kid, which could possibly make the girl his twin if they keep the whole twin thing from the EU.
|>>|| No. 20033
How is it unusual? For the record I find people who go over the top for media a bit weird. People who cried when Michael Jackson died, or who cry at concerts, or who wear T-Shirts with a quote from the Star Wars or whatever, and all those other people who have gone mental for the new Star Wars film. I expect that from six year olds when they hear that they will be going to Disney World for the first time.
Weirder things were happening today though. Something about Back to the Future. I do not understand at all. I thought they made another remake of it, but I don't know.
|>>|| No. 20034
>How is it unusual?
It implies you've never been excited for anything before or experienced the joy of anticipation, and instead of reconciling your apathy towards this particular topic you want to have a moan about people being exited about things.
Yesterday was the day Marty and Doc Brown travelled to in Back to the Future. It's a least mildly interesting if you enjoyed the movie and you want to compare their ideas for what the future might be like to reality.
|>>|| No. 20037
I remember when I was too cool to care about anything. I grew out of it though.
|>>|| No. 20038
Meh. Even if you care so much about something as silly as a film, I would feel silly, childlike and stupid if I started getting very emotional about it.
|>>|| No. 20039
Stop projecting, lad. You're toeing a fine line, you're blatantly derailing a thread with a view of starting a cunt off and you don't even have the common decency to be subtle about it. If you're bored, find something else to do.
|>>|| No. 20040
Might as well get my whinge in now.
I don't like the new Sith lightsabres. There. Done.
|>>|| No. 20041
Don't we already have a thread about the new Star Wars film? With the OP image from South Park of Lucas raping a stormtrooper.
|>>|| No. 20042
>it puts the LOTR to shame with the depth of it's lore
LOTR was the culmination of years, upon years, of studying Anglo-Saxon England, a war in the Somme and an earnest desire to enrich the lives of his children.* Star Wars is a patchwork of guff, stitched together by financially motivated idiots. It is a literal embodiment of the infinite monkey theorem, sadly with a unforeseen and much shitter consequences.
*Also there's some Catholicism and possibly racist stuff in there, but SHUT UP.
|>>|| No. 20043
>Star Wars is a patchwork of guff, stitched together by financially motivated idiots
I think you're being a bit unfair there. There's definitely emotional investment in Lucas's earlier works and by some (admittedly not all) writers of the extended universe stuff.
But yes, Tolkien was a world class philologist, and that talent is evident in the richness of the Lord of the Rings universe. The idea that Star Wars "puts the LOTR to shame with the depth of it's lore" is laughable. It puts the breadth to shame, perhaps, by virtue of the sheer amount of fiction set in its universe (mostly dreck), but is as deep as a half-evaporated puddle compared to Tolkien's mariana trench.
|>>|| No. 20044
You and the rest of rational world, m8.
I mean, how does it even work in lore? How does he not chop his fucking hands off when he uses it?
If you want to nitpick, lets nitpick. Don't let the lad having a teary about people liking things get in the way of a good nitpick.
(A good day to you Sir!)
|>>|| No. 20045
This physic space wizard's fantastical energy sword is just too impractical for me to suspend my disbelief.
(A good day to you Sir!)
|>>|| No. 20047
I think I was just a bit discomposed by that new trailer and I exaggerated a bit, I'm a life long Tolkien fan and I've spent so many hours reading his works and studying the languages that I learned how to write in Dwarvish when I was 18. I stopped using it and forgot how to do it, but if you own a copy of the hobbit you can decipher it in a couple of hours and after that it's just practise. I used to write my dairy in Dwarvish and now I can't read it anymore without the codex I wrote at hand.
Anyway, back to Star Wars, I think some of the best stories written in the SWEU was the ones about Revan and the Exile for the first two Old Republic games and accompanying novels which were largely thanks to Obsidian games. They're are people out there with a genuine love for the material and they write some good stuff.
I don't how optimistic to be about JJ Abrahms attachment to this franchise, because his scripts tend to be quite bland and while that isn't a death blow it would make the movie pretty forgettable. Even though I enjoyed them, I can't think of any memorable quotes from Star Trek or ST:ID other than when Spock gets uppity with Admiral Pike in ID, because it was quite funny.
|>>|| No. 20054
Apparently it's an amateur built lightsabre, and the two little beams are actually exhaust ports.
|>>|| No. 20055
Never really cared for it myself.
As i'm aware there's not really any middle ground demographic for the series, it's either kids who buy the toys, or middle aged chaps who weep for the ruination of their childhood by Jar Jar Binks.
|>>|| No. 20057
I can't lie, a part of me would like to witness the oceans of browbeaten fanboys in the event Episode VII is an absolute honker.
|>>|| No. 20058
I'm not a fanboy, I just quite like the whole world with lightsabers and jedi and empires and rebellions and am quite excited by a trailer with sexy space fighters in. You don't all have to make a scene about how much you really really don't care.
|>>|| No. 20059
>You don't all have to make a scene about how much you really really don't care.
Nobody's making a scene, pal, calm down.
|>>|| No. 20063
I think the original trilogy is like an older generation's Harry Potter. It's never going to win a Nobel Prize in Literature, but it's a compelling story with an engrossing setting which had the good fortune to turn into a pop culture phenomenon.
|>>|| No. 20065
This is one of the problems that I have with the entire franchise, the entire question of whose lore is to be taken. As far as I can tell, from conversations and baiting the most nerdy of fanboy types that I know, there is a large contingent of fans who think that George Lucas is responsible for absolutely every aspect of the universe the series inhabits. The problem is, pointing out to them that the rest of the stuff in the extended universe has absolutely nothing at all to do with George Lucas at all invokes a strongly negative reaction, considering hasn't done anything other than see the money roll in from the royalties earned from someone expanding on the skeletal lore he actually did make.
I think that's the nub of it, it allowed fans to really go mad and create these extensive backstories for characters, races, wars, flora and fauna, technology, and that's part of its enduring appeal to some. Lucas hasn't actually said "you know what, you're full of shit about what happened in that part of the history...." - he just let the money roll in.
The fanboys ruin what is essentially, for the original trilogy at least, a corny space opera that romps through cliche after cliche but is still a massive amount of fun to watch.
|>>|| No. 20066
New trailer looks good. Though from watching it I get the feeling, that they won't try anything too outlandish given what happened with the prequels and the end product won't be too original.
|>>|| No. 20067
The running theory is that Kylo Ren kills Han at the end, in an act of Patricide.
I'm just excited for some more Sci-fantasy. Guardians of the Galaxy was surprisingly good for a super hero movie and I ended up buying the blu-ray as well, it reminded of Star Wars a lot and I'm quietly confident this wont disappoint.
You might be right in that it could be bland though, because JJ Abrahm's films are forgettable as fuck.
|>>|| No. 20070
Are any of you lads boycotting it? Fucking racists.
|>>|| No. 20073
What sort of shit parties are you going to where people give a crap about the Star Wars prequel sequel spin-off money fountain?
|>>|| No. 20076
Oh I see, racists are boycotting it, not that Star Wars is racist. This is 'Nordic gods aren't black' again I suppose.
|>>|| No. 20078
Yes. In the same way that saying you don't want a female James Bond would make you sexist.
|>>|| No. 20079
Not liking Star Wars is not an edgy opinion. It's not even attempted edginess. In fact it's practically spherical in its lack of edginess, like the Death Star, only less genocidal, therefore less edgy.
|>>|| No. 20081
You are right, but I would prefer a girl Bond to an ethnic or fag Bond. Not a racist homophobe, just my opinion.
|>>|| No. 20082
Nice twist on the old pattern there, putting the blatantly racist statement before the "not racist" bit.
|>>|| No. 20083
personal preference != blatant racism
I have a personal preference against dating black girls, but that doesn't mean I think they should be chained up/deported/lynched. Try and learn to think.
|>>|| No. 20085
I always thought Idris would've made a badass James Bond.
|>>|| No. 20087
Calling gay people fags is, however, a homophobic slur which sort of rains on your "definitely not a homophobe" routine.
|>>|| No. 20088
Who gives a fuck.
I'm so bored of this shite, it's the top three threads currently. Ugh, I hoped I could avoid this nonsense here.
|>>|| No. 20089
>I hoped I could avoid this nonsense
By starting a discussion about a black/female/gay James Bond in a Star Wars thread? You're a credit to your schooling.
|>>|| No. 20090
>I hoped I could avoid this nonsense here.
Did someone tell you we were a hug box for whatever it is you thought you could try and peddle here?
Even the pro-tranny guys are pragmatists, caring only about the medical evidence. We haven't had mouth-foaming reactionaries en masse here for a while, so trying to stir up shit probably wont work and it doesn't seem like you've got the savvy to hold up your end of the cunt off if it did.
Anyway, someone told me the other day Chewbacca is like 200 years old. He doesn't look a day over 30.
|>>|| No. 20130
I liked it.
I don't have anything cynical or funny to say about it, which might be my failing. It was just a solid piece of entertainment, and I hope the next one keeps it up.
|>>|| No. 20131
And the one after that? And the one after that? And the one after that?
My main issue is that Disney are quite open about the fact that they want to milk the franchise ad infinitum and that people seem somehow okay with it all.
I suppose it's hardly a change from watching George Lucas bleat about how he always intended for there to be 6 or 9 or 15 Star Wars movies and that it wasn never just a standalone pulpy fantasy movie that got ridiculously lucky.
|>>|| No. 20132
Maybe once they beat it to death people will shut the fuck up about it and stop pretending like any of them are any good.
|>>|| No. 20133
The original movie is a very good example of a chose one underdog good guy defeating a bad guy who is bad because he is bad whilst being surrounded by flashy doohickies and funny-looking aliens. If you're looking for an exceptionally trashy 70s adventure movie, you can't go too far wrong with Star Wars.
|>>|| No. 20134
>My main issue is that Disney are quite open about the fact that they want to milk the franchise ad infinitum and that people seem somehow okay with it all.
What is so bad about that? If it is enjoyable, there should be more of it.
Maybe you just like being an edgy contrarian.
|>>|| No. 20140
Hating on Star Wars at this point is no more edgy than hating on Christmas music.
Nice try though.
|>>|| No. 20141
I don't think you understand the point, being contradictory just for the sake of makes you an attention seeking little teenlad prick. You definitely like star wars, everyone does, and if you don't I don't see what you are trying to achieve by dissing it, other then getting attention.
|>>|| No. 20143
No mate, fuck off with your post-neo-trans-hipsterism. Maybe there are a few edgy teenlads pretending to dislike it more than they really do just because it's popular. But you don't come full circle and transcend cool by actively defending overyhyped lowest common demoninator garbage.
I, personally, think Star Wars is perfectly mediocre. I wouldn't refuse to watch it if it was the only thing on Sky Movies on a Sunday afternoon, but I've never once in my life thought "I proper fancy watching some Star Wars" either. Where does that fit into your world view, you bearded fascist prick.
|>>|| No. 20144
I like how you've painted me to be some sort of mad zealot on the basis of; fuck all. Because you really have no where else to go with your argument, you just like behaving like an unlikable cunt.
(A good day to you Sir!)
|>>|| No. 20145
Lad you're on fucking .gs. You're an unlikeable saddo cunt by default. Don't try and play the old 'LOL I BET YOUR A LAUGH AT PARTIES' shit because you're just as much a fucking saddo loser as the rest of us. That's why you're posting on an imageboard at 2am. on a Friday.
(A good day to you Sir!)
|>>|| No. 20146
>You definitely like star wars, everyone does
I don't like star wars. I don't hate it or feel particularly strongly about it, but I just don't feel like the films are very good. If someone suggested watching a star wars film I'd probably say I don't really want to watch it and suggest an alternative, but if they seemed like they were really into the idea I'd relent, but I'd probably just be looking at my phone for most of the film.
|>>|| No. 20147
> You're an unlikeable saddo cunt by default.
Rude. Speak for yourself, mentalistlad.
|>>|| No. 20148
I don't think you understand the analogy drawn there between Christmas music and Star Wars. Is this the only website that you visit or are you blind to the ubiquity of Star Wars hype and merchandising shite that's been going on for the last couple of months? Nelson's Column is a lightsabre now for fuck's sake.
I'd rather watch Flash Gordon.
|>>|| No. 20149
One would imagine that if you were indifferent towards Star Wars you could continue on with your browsing of .gs without commenting on how indifferent you are towards it and the people who are interested or want to discuss it for its merits/shortcomings could do so unmolested by tedious fucking cunt offs.
Stop trying so hard. This is the Farscape thread all over again.
|>>|| No. 20150
Just wanted to let you know I am not for or against any of the points made in this post.
|>>|| No. 20151
>the people who are interested or want to discuss it for its merits/shortcomings could do so unmolested by tedious fucking cunt offs.
What if we want to discuss how we dislike or find it tedious without being molested by you fanboys with your tedious fucking cunt offs?
>This is the Farscape thread all over again.
That was a great thread though.
|>>|| No. 20152
We have an entire board dedicated exclusively to discussing shit we don't like or find tedious.
You know exactly what you're doing when you come into a thread and declare the topic of discussion shit, so stop being a tryhard teenlad about it and use /*/ responsibly.
|>>|| No. 20153
So, by that token, all boards except for /101/ are exclusively for talking about how great something is rather than offering it any criticism?
|>>|| No. 20154
I'll see the film next week, and I've not been reading or watching anything about it, but I just decided to watch the trailer in the OP. Now, I'm somewhat familiar with the Expanded Universe, and I was aware they were going to disregard it anyway, but from the looks of things this just pisses all over what had been established. If I recall, the New Republic is formed, Luke Skywalker re-establishes the Jedi Order, trains a million of the bastards, and peace returns to the galaxy (except when they want another story). But the trailer makes it look like the events of the civil war and the Jedi themselves have passed into legend, and that the Empire is still around no less. That's like George Orwell rising from the grave to clarify that we should ignore the appendix of Nineteen Eighty-Four and to find out if the boot stamping on a face carries on we should read the newly-published sequel.
|>>|| No. 20156
Savvy marketing from Disney. The majority of the audience doesn't give a toss about the nerdy details of the expanded universe, they just want more stories about plucky underdogs taking on the evil empire in the same Naziesque uniforms.
|>>|| No. 20158
Neither is "Star Wars is shit and so is everyone who likes it. Debate me." which seems to be the structure of the derailment of the thread.
|>>|| No. 20159
I should be seeing it next week with my Dad when I come home for Christmas. The man introduced me to them in the 90's after the 20 year anniversary was released, so it should be special.
Disney milking the franchise for all it's worth? Could be good if they:
- Don't treat the audience as retards
- Look at all the millions of storylines of the countless characters and build on those (there are tons of novels for inspiration)
- Make them dark and target them at older audiences. Any kiddy shit will just become patronising and boring
So basically, I'd follow the style of the newest Mad Max film. Little snapshots of stories here, with little explanation - it will really make this SW universe so much more rich and interesting.
|>>|| No. 20160
My mates want to go see it on the 27th, which is the only time we are all free and there are empty seats. I don't remember this kind of fevered hype around a film in my life.
For anyone who is interested, I watched the despecialised versions of the OT recently and the lad who has done it has done great work. They really are better than the special editions.
|>>|| No. 20162
>disney milking it for all it's worth would be great if it wasn't disney milking it for all it's worth
Apologies for the reetext, but that's about the gist of what you said. Star Wars is, and always has been, a family film. Right now it has more mass market appeal than Mother Theresa giving out free puppies.
Making it darker and more adult is akin to them simply deciding "You know what, we just don't want as much money. Yeah, let's make less profit on this film. Sounds great."
|>>|| No. 20166
So is it quite good then? I'm pretty ambivilent about Star Wars, but I really like Red Letter Media, so I was hoping they'd have plenty to rag on in their inevitable review.
|>>|| No. 20168
It's alright. I mostly like the visuals and music and characters, they're all cool, overall storyline not so much.
Episode IV is practically a big spoiler for it.
Thank god they went back to the visual styling of the original trilogy because it looks fantastic and there's plenty of proper prosthetic creatures throughout, although one important alien lady was noticeably CGI and I wasn't really a fan of her design either.
|>>|| No. 20169
Also, her name is the song from the Sugar Puffs advert from the 1998 World Cup.
|>>|| No. 20170
Exactly. A Jedi Hutt named Beldorion who was seduced by the dark side. Leia killed him in a lightsaber duel. I guess it's hard to fight with a lightsaber if you're a slug.
There was also Durga.
>Durga the Hutt is worth remembering because he’s one of the rare Hutts to wield a lightsaber. It just so happens his lightsaber was several kilometers long and could destroy a planet. Like all Hutts, he dreamed big. He also died a spectacular death…when his lightsaber blew up on him.
(Taken from http://roqoodepot.com/2012/04/18/notable-hutts-in-star-wars/)
The Extended Universe, ladies and gentlemen.
|>>|| No. 20171
The appeal of Star Wars slipped me by. I remember watching them on VHS at my Granddad's when I was youngish, and while they were really entertaining they just didn't 'click' with me in the way they do for some people. Even back then, I could understand the pull of the tropes and characters and aesthetic, but I never had that feeling of a fantasy world opening up to me in the way others experienced.
I also get why some people resent the hype, as Star Wars is so entrenched in pop culture it is surrounded by heightened expectations as a result. Moreso than any other franchise, maybe, Star Wars has suffered as a result of its legacy. I think I came to it too late.
Overall, I do feel sad that I can't share some of that excitement, but I have felt it with other things. Computer games and books especially had that effect for me, the bigger the better. I get nostalgic about certain RPGs, and occasionally an immersive game comes along and pulls me back into that mindset.
Not relevant to this thread, but I have a mixed feeling about that mindset. It furnished my head with many interesting images and ideas as a kid, but as I grow older, I'm actually glad for instances in which I've grown up without popular media. That kind of escapism now strikes me as dangerous, and led to a childhood in which I lived in my own head far more than I really should have.
|>>|| No. 20172
>Not relevant to this thread, but I have a mixed feeling about that mindset. It furnished my head with many interesting images and ideas as a kid, but as I grow older, I'm actually glad for instances in which I've grown up without popular media. That kind of escapism now strikes me as dangerous, and led to a childhood in which I lived in my own head far more than I really should have.
I hate this. What is so bad about getting lost in your head? What is wrong with escapism?
|>>|| No. 20173
It was pretty average to be honest. It almost felt similar to the latest Avengers films with all the appearances of old characters and very similar look-a-likes cropping up. I think they went a bit far in making the First Order Nazi like, the Empire in the old films never felt that evil (if you exclude Vader and the Emperor), it came off a bit try hard this time.
The film was nothing special and certainly didn't live up to IV, V & VI. It was a fun watch but I don't think I'll bother seeing number eight when it comes out.
|>>|| No. 20174
Well when you say that, consider that the Empire, just like the Nazis, want to keep order and security by crushing democracy and purifying the population (das Herrenvolk under Hitler, humanocentrism under Palpatine). So from that point of view, the Nazis 'weren't that evil' either.
You're going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view.
|>>|| No. 20175
Any resemblance between the First Order or the Empire and the Nazi party is entirely coincidental anyway. Nothing in the Star Wars universe is in any way based on the real world and it's absurd to suggest that fantasy fiction can be in any way inspired by the world those that write it actually live in.
This is the argument LucasArts used when people said Jar Jar Binks was essentially a coon comic. I am being a knob. Domnhall Gleeson is a great Nazi.
|>>|| No. 20177
The cast was very young in general, weren't they? I found myself actually quite intimidated by Kylo Ren until he took his mask off.
|>>|| No. 20178
>The cast was very young in general, weren't they?
Sadly mate, it's just that you're getting old. The actors in the older films seem older because you were younger in comparison when you saw them.
As time wears on, you'll never be able to shake the feeling that they keep dressing up adolescent kids and trying to pass them off as movie stars. One day they will start doing it with newsreaders and politicians. And then you will shortly die.
|>>|| No. 20179
I realised that when I was wanking off to a bint doing dirty things. She must have been in nursery or year one when I was in year 10. It was so absurd that I couldn't finish off wanking and had to contemplate and read.
|>>|| No. 20180
>I think they went a bit far in making the First Order Nazi like, the Empire in the old films never felt that evil (if you exclude Vader and the Emperor), it came off a bit try hard this time.
I agree that they were laying on the Nazi stuff a bit thick this time, but come on, the Empire not being evil in the original trilogy? Building death stars, blowing up an entire planet for the fuck of it?
|>>|| No. 20182
>blowing up an entire planet for the fuck of it?
Fuck of it? That alderaanian bitch knew where the rebel base was and she wouldn't tell. ANNND she was resistant to the needle on the side of the black floating beach ball. They needed an alternative form of persuasion. Seems reasonable enough reason to me to blow up a fucking planet.
|>>|| No. 20183
Saw the movie this weekend and quite enjoyed it for the most part. My two biggest gripes so far are that plot-wise it's basically rehashed Episode 4 and that Rey was good at everything from piloting old ships to fighting with ancient weapons and her troublesome past that was practically the only thing to flesh out her character was not expanded upon at all. They'll probably address this in later films, but as a self-contained story Episode 7 doesn't work that well. Loved Kylo Ren and his struggle with the light side.
Fisher (Leia) was only nineteen in Episode 4, and Hamill was in his early twenties, too.
|>>|| No. 20184
>We'll use the Force!
>That's not how the Force works!
A lot of fun all round really. I was worried it was just going to be JJ's Star Trek with a different set of characters, but I was pleasantly surprised. While there were a few too many wink-wink remember this moments, hopefully that's all out of the way now. They sort of blew their beans on the super mega duper death star though. Not sure how something like that gets built by a supposedly hunted and marginalised group either.
My only apprehension now is the coming deluge Star Wars spin offs, which hopefully won't "Marvel" the main trilogy.
Prequel retcon when?
|>>|| No. 20185
>too many wink-wink remember this moments
Absolutely the only thing I've taken away from the movie. It was definitely a constant effort to show that VII was closer to the original trilogy and nothing at all like those mucky prequels, they even set themselves up to use the word midichlorian and then promptly left it out.
As a single movie, I don't think it'll stand the test of time like the original trilogy have. It was quite blatantly a two hour introduction to the characters you're going to be seeing on-screen every year from now on, with deliberate loose ends and hints as to what the next few movies and spin-offs are going to entail.
|>>|| No. 20186
>As a single movie, I don't think it'll stand the test of time like the original trilogy have... with deliberate loose ends and hints as to what the next few movies and spin-offs are going to entail.
I think a lot of that is untrue though, because Empire does most of the same things and it's, quite rightly, regarded as the best Star Wars film.
|>>|| No. 20187
Saw it last night and I agree. Halfway through I was really enjoying it, but by the time we got to the fucking trench run of the super Death Star I was feeling distinctly bored of its rehashing of Episode IV.
Also the original trilogy set up that Jedis have to go through training. Remember Luke getting shot in the arse by the practice droid, going to Yoda, and still getting his arse handed to him by Vader. Whereas Rey just needs to be told she is related to Luke and suddenly she's pulling mind tricks and lightsaber skills out of her arse. I don't buy that, and I definitely don't buy Finn holding his own against the fully-trained Kylo either, unless that duel with the Stormtrooper was meant to imply they all receive training with mêlée weapons.
If the next film has a flashback showing Rey was trained in the Jedi way and she's just forgotten it all somehow, I'll be satisfied.
|>>|| No. 20188
You're making the mistake of thinking Ren is in anyway as powerful or capable as Vader, which the film repeatedly shows and tells you he isn't. He clearly can't control himself, which is why when all the Order's plans go to shit and he's been shot and just killed his dad he fights like a dickhead and loses.
And it establishes Rey can fight with melee weapons from the off.
|>>|| No. 20189
That would explain why the final sword battle was so utterly bland and unspectacular. Say what you will about prequels, but sword fights were nicely done. They added twists to the formula like two-ended light-sabres along with dual (and however many Grievous had) wielding, etc, that actually changed choreography and kept things fresh. In Episode 7 Ren uses his fancy toy differently than a regular sword just once, if I'm not mistaken, and in the most unimaginative way possible, too. Even that spinning baton one of the stormtroopers had was more interesting in a fight than a light sabre with three blades.
|>>|| No. 20190
>Say what you will about prequels, but sword fights were nicely done. They added twists to the formula like two-ended light-sabres along with dual (and however many Grievous had) wielding, etc, that actually changed choreography and kept things fresh.
You don't understand cinema, or tension, or any number of basic principles that make the duels between Luke and Vader in Empire and Jedi so much more enthralling than anything that happens in any of the prequels. I'm not even a massive Star Wars fan or anything, but to think that watching CGI Yoda doing flips and using a cheese knife sized saber is anywhere as compelling as Luke's desperate hammering at Vader on the bridge of the Star Destroyer would take the mind of, quite frankly, a Transformers fan.
|>>|| No. 20191
> no just no
This phrase and similar invariably herald the arrival of a tedious neckbeard. Take your things and fuck off, lad.
|>>|| No. 20192
>it establishes Rey can fight with melee weapons from the off
Oh yeah that's true. But if Kylo and Rey are indeed cousins or the like, they should have similar proficiency with the Force. I'm not claiming Kylo is as good as Vader, but he's still been trained.
I take your point about him being a egotistical brat though, his little lightsaber tantrums should have clued me in.
|>>|| No. 20193
Does it really? I wouldn't know because I'm not informed about every little thing I do by imageboards.
And /v/ is the film discussion board, so, no, you massive bellend.
I hope Rey isn't Luke's kid, because if that's the case then they may well just be remaking the original 3 films but bigger and badderer. Which would be pretty boring and increasingly redundent.
|>>|| No. 20194
I disagree, I thought the lightsaber battle in this one was excellent and the prequels so over the top and ridiculous you couldn't take them seriously. I thought this was quality and had some gravitas to it the prequels ones didn't have.
|>>|| No. 20195
To be honest Rey and Ren being siblings would be (whilst eminently predictable) a lot less obvious than Rey being Luke's child, though I can't see how that can be possible given that that would mean that 1. Han and Leia were unaware despite being completely aware of Ren and 2. it meaning Han and Leia just abandoned her whilst sending miserable teen son 1 onto super awesome Jedi school.
So I can't really see what they could do with her beyond her being Luke's son. Qui Gonn reincarnate? Nah. Maybe Obi Wan porked Padme behind Anikins back which yielded... that non existant female character in the original prequels... bah.
Yeah they've written themselves into a corner there.
|>>|| No. 20197
The Graun is seething about this, despite the fact that Chancellor
Palpatine Osborne's film tax relief is doing wonders for the British film making industry.
|>>|| No. 20199
If they have an article about George Osborne's name being written down in a long list of names and calling it news, then yes.
|>>|| No. 20204
Film was alright, maybe my nostalgia goggles were on for too long they left marks on the side of my head. Hope they don't run the franchise into the ground...
|>>|| No. 20206
There are established conventions for film credits, which dictate who gets their name in them and where. Normally, when there's a financial facility like this, you namecheck the provider or the facility itself. Hence you see lots of productions with phrases like "Made thanks to the Ruritanian Film and Video Production Tax Credit". You don't normally drop names unless that individual has personally contributed to the film, and government ministers acting officially are acting on behalf of their departments, not themselves. Strictly speaking, George's credit should be to the film tax relief, and Ed's credit should be to DCMS.
|>>|| No. 20207
There were some weird things in the film:
Phasma: I personally didn't like the female captain storm trooper as it should have been a male. I read that she was only cast because JJ was accused of not having enough female characters. Also in the film... She willing gives up the defenses of one of the most powerful weapons the First Order has for her own safety - despite harping on about loyalty to the First Order, a move I'd expect from a lowly officer.
Rey: Who's child is she? Am I that thick that I'd think she was Luke and Leia's? Which obviously isn't the case .
Finn: What exactly made him defect from the FO? I thought stormtroopers were cold killing machines that obeyed orders completely. From the trailers I always thought he was an interloper in the ranks and somehow escaped.
|>>|| No. 20209
RE: Finn I think it was the first time he had been that close to people being killed. Also the first time he had been close to Kylo Ren who appears in the film to be a powerful if not fully trained force user. So when Noke Says there's been an awakening of the force, it could be not only Rey, but also Fin. Since Fin was kidnapped as a child he could be a latent force user.
Of course all of this is unsubstantiated conjecture on my part after a single viewing yesterday afternoon followed up with a couple of hours chatting about the film with mates in the pub afterwards.
|>>|| No. 20211
Not read the spoiler, as I've not seen it yet, but I'm sure it is "Snoke" rather than Snoak, but that might not be what you're talking about at all.
|>>|| No. 20212
I typed it like that originally myself, but I thought it looked too much like "Stoke" so I changed it.
|>>|| No. 20213
I've decided that Rey is Leia and Solo's daughter, and thus Ren's sister, I wrote out a long post but then realised my writing was shit so deleted it all.
The short of it is that there's only one bloody woman in Star Wars and given that Luke is male it can't have been a virgin birth like Anakin unless they're getting particularly creative.
|>>|| No. 20214
On another note, Snoke seems like such a stupid name for a "supreme leader". Calling him Michael or Ralph would be marginally funnier.
|>>|| No. 20215
I think I wrote Noke because that's a co-worker's Surname and he's always CC'd in emails from one of the other offices. I even went back to change it because I accidentally wrote Smoke.
|>>|| No. 20216
You're forgetting about Mon Mothma, the other woman from the original trilogy that wasn't a Twi'lek or a shitty big lipped CG alien added in during the late 90s.
|>>|| No. 20217
I thought both Snoke and 'Supreme Leader' sounded ridiculous. Apparently the Star Wars nerds are pissing themselves in excitement over the possibility of him being Darth Pelagias or something. Means nothing to me.
|>>|| No. 20218
I overlooked her because she's only in it for the best part of thirty seconds and in any case is not a Jedi.
|>>|| No. 20219
Oh and I had other reasons as well, such as the age difference between the actors for Rey and Ren, Leia's reaction to meeting Rey and Rey's abandonment.
|>>|| No. 20220
> shitty big lipped CG alien added in during the late 90s
If you are talking about the singer at Jaba's Palace that character is in there before the 90s she is just considerably less obnoxious. Because at some point in history George Lucas understood the focus of a story should be things that advance the plot not special effects.
|>>|| No. 20221
>given that Luke is male it can't have been a virgin birth
That makes no sense whatsoever.
|>>|| No. 20222
Why's it called the First Order when they state in the film this is third time some dodgy dark side type has tried to pull something like this?
|>>|| No. 20223
Birth of Rey. Luke being the father shoehorns in some other character from the time period of the original trilogy who doesn't currently exist, making
I think it's like reincarnations of similar entities, ie. The German Empire, Nazi Germany and the GDR/modern Germany.
|>>|| No. 20224
Lads, I find your lack of spoiler tags disturbing.
|>>|| No. 20225
I'm letting it slide because none of it is spoilers, just speculation about the plot. If anyone posts one I'll delete it, don't fret.
|>>|| No. 20227
I was pointing out twenty posts ago that the speculation that Rey is related to Luke only starts over halfway through the film, but was told I wasn't 'using my brain'.
|>>|| No. 20228
The speculation that she is related to Luke started months before the film even came out, because a lot of people assumed the new film would follow a similar dynamic to the post-OT Extended Universe content to pacify the neckbeards.
Unless this is explicitly revealed at some point in the film then talking about it isn't a spoiler.
|>>|| No. 20229
Childhood trauma, absent fathers, feminism and a range of other related subjects.
|>>|| No. 20231
I'm not a massive Star Wars fan so I was never really sold on the hype train for this, but I went to see it anyway because the trailer intrigued me.
As a spectacle, I'd say it's excellent. If what you want is to switch your brain off while spaceships zoom about and planets blow the fuck up, then you really can't go wrong. The 3D effects really helped in this regard.*
As for other aspects of the film I'm a little torn. Sticking with the positives for now, I really liked the start with Finn's defection and Rey reluctantly adopting the droid on Jakku. Also, I did like the way they broke the usual Star Wars bad-guy formula by trying to humanise Ren and show his weak-side so he's not just this unstoppable terminator, but it was poorly executed in my opinion and just ended up undermining the strength of his character and the threat of the entire First Order by extension.
However, the sudden shift of the focus from finding Luke to taking down Death Star 2.0[spoiler] was wholly unoriginal and really broke up the whole pacing and story arch.
On top of that, there was a fucktonne of unexplained or plain stupid moments, to mention [spoiler]how Rey or Finn could fight Ren so well with little training, how that Resistance dude came back to life and why a high-ranking stormtrooper would voluntarily shut down Death Star 2.0's shields as a few. Whilst it was good to see Han, Chewy, the Falcon et al again their appearance felt completely unnecessary and crowbarred in that I'd much rather just rewatch the original trilogy.
To finish, the literal deus ex machina ending was the cherry to top it all off. The plot was just a mess and whilst I don't mind a bit of a cliffhanger, it still needs to have a proper story arch on its own. The first two Hobbit films for example felt far more complete on their own than this did.
Overall, I'll be interested to see where they take the new characters in future but as a stand-alone product I'd say it's too poorly-focussed and backwards-looking to be worth much.
* the 3D effects in the cinema I was at did seem a bit off actually, with traces of both images getting through the polarising glasses at times. Not sure if my glasses were a bit duff or if the 3D effects aren't calibrated well for the very back row?
|>>|| No. 20232
This might sound weird but it feels like Star Wars has become the Call of Duty of the movie industry. What used to be a competent, well-paced series has become drunk on its own popularity whilst simultaneously running out of good new ideas, so now it just throws 100x as much money doing the same things it has always done but at 100x the scale. Any former semblance of pacing has been round up and shot by cutting out any part that might lose the attention of a particularly bored gnat.
All in all, what was once a perfectly adequate steak dinner has been reduced to a McDonald's happy meal, complete with free toy.
|>>|| No. 20233
Only watched the first 5 minutes so far, but I consider this fine evidence for my premise that critical theory is just conspiracy theories for girls and Marxists. It starts off with the old, 'people don't really like what they think they like they are just brainwashed sheeple controlled by [jews/illuminati/corporate America/ the patriarchy] who think they like it because they are told they like it'. And moves into everything is a symbolism of their enemies agenda territory, had it been about the illuminati it would be 'triangles everywhere!' but since it's feminist critique it is 'dicks everywhere' with all the 'hey! you notice how a lightsabre looks like a penis' nothing to do with it being a sword and the shape of the sword being dictated by the most practical design to fight with, nope men's power that's why.
Utter bollocks from an academic school that doesn't understand/chooses to ignore the importance of Occam's razor, and falsifiable premises.
I realise my picture choice will blow smoke up people's arses but it illustrates the terrible line of logic of critical theory perfectly, and that woman is the poster child for it.
|>>|| No. 20234
>Any former semblance of pacing has been round up and shot by cutting out any part that might lose the attention of a particularly bored gnat.
I know what you mean the new film seemed to rush aspects of the the ending as if it was going through the motions, where as the attack run on the death star in the original had all kinds of false starts, anti-climaxes and build up to a point where Luke was the last chance for the rebellion, it is an element of craft that has been lost because a lack of understanding of what makes something exciting, the waiting, the foreplay, and the meaning behind. Instant gratification cheapens things, and making something 'bigger' then last time is fucking meaningless if the stakes aren't properly established, even worse if you make it feel like it is 'business as usual'. This is why despite the light-sabre fights are by all accounts are technically better in the prequels, they feel hollow compared to the original trilogy. In no way would that fight between an old man and a guy who couldn't see out of his mask have been improved if they were somersaulting all over the place dancing through the air, but the prequel fights would have been improved by having some characterization, motivation and dialog.
I think this is a fault of modern cinema as a general rule. There are very few new directors who aren't afraid to slow things down and give the audience pause for though and detail in an 'action' movie. Even people who should know better seem to have been going this way, Spielberg who used to be an utter master on focusing on the details during an action scene and pacing to build suspense movie seems to have lost his ability to put meaning behind things.
|>>|| No. 20235
There is nothing worse than slow, anti-climatic, show-off, "oh look I'm all self-absorbed and important," kind of ending. Nothing.
I literally skip unimportant parts of films regularly.
|>>|| No. 20237
I bet you skip foreplay and just try shoot your load ASAP don't you? then post coitus immediately put on your clothes and leave.
|>>|| No. 20238
It's called time management. When you have so many honeys, you really can't afford to hang around.
|>>|| No. 20243
The typical .gs user tries to limit their protestations of love and affection for pretty strangers to specific /x/ threads or comically over-specified descriptions of fantasised sexual deviancy.
|>>|| No. 20244
I've got no idea who she is but I'd have a three-day stale lager piss right up her chocolate bon-bon factory and no mistake.
|>>|| No. 20245
Who is she? She will age really, really badly. You can already see a few wrinkles.
|>>|| No. 20246
I look forward to you next paper, professor.
This is the tangents we find ourselves on when we allow the Russians to post.
|>>|| No. 20247
You think I'm kidding? You can tell without even having to test the stretchiness of her skin. I give her three years at most.
|>>|| No. 20248
But she looks worse because she's got terrible glasses, a boring haircut and has gained a lot of weight.
You don't seriously believe those otherchan memes about how fantastically men age do you? You are only getting uglier.
|>>|| No. 20251
What is that photo about? Wearing glasses, changing your hair and wearing different clothes make you look different?
|>>|| No. 20252
>>20251 I imagine about in photo one the person being pretty and in the second one that person having let that slip. I imagine on a chan talking about how the 'ideal woman' is a teenager and how they lose their looks on the stroke of midnight when they turn 20 or something.
|>>|| No. 20253
I had to go see the film in the end due to family obligations. It felt a lot like three hours of someone firing marshmallows at my brain.
|>>|| No. 20254
Finally got along to see it and it was a pretty good homage to the OT, but it lacked some spark I couldn't quite put my finger on. Kylo Ren was genuinely intimidating, the lad pulled that character off well.
I'll definitely get it on Bluray when it comes out, but I don't think it's worth a second trip to the cinema though if you're the one paying, however I'm being dragged along on New Years day by the In-Laws which I suppose is fine but It's not earth shattering so don't expect goosebumps or owt. The 3D was well done though, it captured the feel of scale and scope of the OT quite well.
An generous 8/10, which means it's no worse than than A New Hope.
The Starkiller base and them sneakily adding in Rakata Prime into the official canon implies Snoke is a Mun with access to the Star Forge, which will be interesting to see how it unfolds. Also, Luke appears to be standing beside a grave in the ending scene which leads me down all sort of paths. Rey remembers her family being from a water filled world. Anakin's/Luke's lightsaber calls out to her. She is put into hiding, awaiting her families return. Kylo turns all Luke's students against him, perhaps killing Rey's mother in the process, creating the Knights of Ren. I'm thinking she is a Skywalker, it's heavily implied at the very least.
|>>|| No. 20255
You're the only one talking that shite. All I said was that she will age badly because of how shite her skin is. Nowt to do with her gender. You fucking tumblrlad piece of shit.
(A good day to you Sir!)
|>>|| No. 20256
That she looks good in the left and bad in the right. Her shoulders, hair, style, posture, weight, lips. All down the pan.
|>>|| No. 20266
>Kylo Ren was genuinely intimidating, the lad pulled that character off well.
Reactions to him seem to be all over the chart. Personally I thought his was noticeably the worst performance in the movie, to the point where I found myself wishing he'd kept his helmet on so the terrible acting (or bad casting choice, if you want to be charitable about it) would be less noticeable.
>I'll definitely get it on Bluray when it comes out, but I don't think it's worth a second trip to the cinema though if you're the one paying, however I'm being dragged along on New Years day by the In-Laws which I suppose is fine but It's not earth shattering so don't expect goosebumps or owt.
Agreed. It's a pretty agreeable action movie about space wizards, calibrate your expectations accordingly.
I saw it once in 2D and once in 3D. I still find 3D distracting. It was RealD, so everything looks dim, it had that weird crosstalk blurring thing going on, as well as the usual shit with light reflections on the lenses. The trade-off for the depth effects just isn't worth it for me. Each to their own though, eh.
(It's the only film I can remember ever seeing twice at the cinema, but it happens that both times someone else paid so that probably doesn't count for much.)
|>>|| No. 20270
Why doesn't Han Solo eat Wookie meat?
Because it's Chewie.
|>>|| No. 20275
I've gone and watched it 3D. Worst way I spent £20 in 2015. This takes that prize. It was an awful mess, and I would have just turned it off if I were watching at home.
Maybe the story needs more than two hours and a bit because I just don't even know what I watched. Either that, or time skips on me.
|>>|| No. 20276
Well they were right. Didn't even recognise Pegg.
|>>|| No. 20278
Found it surprisingly enjoyable. I'm not a huge Star Wars fan, I've seen them all and played a lot of the games, but I don't have a soft spot for it. But it was fun. Bit plodding in the middle, and some spotty performances, but generally good. Kylo Ren was a bit non-threatening, even after he did The Bad Thing, but I'm guessing he'll become harder/more effective in the later films. Snoke seems like a less interesting Palpatine, but again maybe there'll be more development in the next two films. The ginger commander man was suitably loathsome. I liked Finn a lot, and Poe was fun but I'm glad he didn't get more screen time as he was a tad smug. Rey was okay, but her delivery was a bit wank at times. Harrison Ford didn't phone it in as much as I expected, but Carrie Fisher was a bit pointless. Mark Hamill is looking quite well, looks to have lost some weight and the beard suits him.
Biggest let down was Captain Phasma. For the past couple of years she was hyped as this strong female villain, she's already been lauded as a feminist icon, but she did fuck all. She got mad at Finn for taking off his helmet, she got mad at him being a traitor, and she got kidnapped and forced to disable the shields and disappeared. Useless bint.
|>>|| No. 20279
>Carrie Fisher was a bit pointless
Yeah, Leia didn't do much. And you could argue that Leia has had her day, but then Han was bounding around having adventures for most of the film, so where the hell were her moments? Even Admiral Akbar turned up to deliver lines that by all rights she should have been.
I'd never heard of Phasma before, I must have missed
>For the past couple of years she was hyped
So when I saw the film I thought her role was perfectly fine. She functioned as a symbol that Finn could rebel against, so she didn't necessarily need to do anything else. I don't even recall her being addressed by name in the film. She was a throwaway character, a device. But now that I know people have been talking about her and making toys out of her for ages I'm surprised. She does need more screen time in the future if they are going to promote her in this way.
|>>|| No. 20281
> She does need more screen time in the future if they are going to promote her in this way.
You always knew Boba Fett was a bad arse in the original trilogy and he has like 3 lines across 2 films.
I'm not sure Phasma will ever have a meaningful role, I'm of the opinion that her bigging up is purely a product of the PR department, there are certain demographics they need to jack off to so they don't pull a tiswas over social media. Remember the bullshit about Jurassic World started by Joss Weadon because he saw a trailer and he didn't like it, I think this is the way you try prevent that sort of crap.
|>>|| No. 20283
>You always knew Boba Fett was a bad arse in the original trilogy and he has like 3 lines across 2 films.
Yes, but Phasma also comes across as a badarse in Force Awakens (despite all the whinging about her doing what she's told when there is a gun to her head, shock horror) with a similar amount of lines. The difference, I believe, is that Boba Fett became a popular character organically, rather than Lucasfilm going 'Look look, this is Phasma, this is who she is and what she does and all this other stuff to make you interested in her'. Basically, if they're going to market a character they need to back it up with something.
|>>|| No. 20288
Every female character is a 'feminist icon' now, it's getting ridiculous.
|>>|| No. 20289
I didn't think she came across like that at all, just a useless and pathetic forced character.
|>>|| No. 20290
You can't write women characters any way else any more. A female version of Luke would have been called misogynist.
|>>|| No. 20292
Weakness and character flaws would seem like an attack on womanhood, and hence, misogynist.
The only other option is make the woman character great at everything.
|>>|| No. 20295
Just found out BB-8 is not CGI. Bloody hell, that's impressive.
|>>|| No. 20311
So is this still out in February or is it finished this month?
|>>|| No. 20312
Saw it a couple of weeks ago. Nostalgia hit hard seeing the falcon, the scrolling text and hearing the Star Wars theme.
It was a lot better than expected. Initially I was just finding reasons to hate it but it wasn't so bad. They borrowed heavily from the original trilogy and I mean heavily (BB-8 traversing desert Vs R2-D2, Kylo Ren being just a shitty version of Vader with a shittier voice. The super Weapon just being a better Death Star. Blowing up something big at the end to save the day. And many others I can't think of right now).
There was some really lame dialogue, attempting to be funny but failing and the fact that the twist had been ruined for me meant I didn't enjoy it more. The originals just had a different sort of feeling/intensity a je ne sais quois. Perhaps this is due to the weight of expectation.
I'd give it a solid 7/10. Kylo Ren being a spotty teenager didn't help. Though retroactively I'd change that to a 6.5 out of 10. So nothing terribly new in this film, feels like a reboot of A New Hope. I think Abrams would always fall into this trap, given the disaster the prequels were he stuck too close to the originals.
|>>|| No. 20313
Saw this film the other day, with all the 3D gubbins. Expected to hate it but thoroughly enjoyed it.
Opened this thread and scrolled down to where the posts were around the release date to see what people were saying. Saw >>20145 . I knew I could count on gs for decent commentary.
|>>|| No. 20314
Just look at the 2009 Star Trek for comparison.
Stick incrediblyclose to the originals but give it a sheen of paint, old star cameos and wink wink nod nod references, spot of slick action directing, and bob's your uncle.
This being a disney franchise now, though, don't expect the apparent injection of fresh quality to last. Now they know people were willing to shell out for it despite the stigma the prequels created, they definitely won't be afraid to milk it with by the number sequels and spin offs.
"Geek" stuff is in fashion just now, and disney have their finger so well and truly up that pie they could give it a prostate orgasm.
|>>|| No. 21416
It was alright. I didn't think it was as good as VII, but if they can shit out something like this for Christmas each year I'll have no complaints.
|>>|| No. 21422
Saw it last night. Some pacing issues but otherwise pretty good. Some terrible lines, final act is fantastic and that sequence with Vader...
|>>|| No. 21423
I've got my tickets.
Coming home for xmas and My dad and I always have watched Star Wars ever since the remastered editions in the 90s were released, so it's become bit of a tradition. I'm well excited for this movie. Trying to avoid spoilers as best I can.
|>>|| No. 21424
>Some pacing issues
Agreed. I wouldn't be too surprised to see an extended cut released late next year, there's definitely room for certain parts of it to be fleshed out.
|>>|| No. 21426
I saw it again today (took my little brother to see it) and enjoyed it a lot more. I had the same experience with VII, I think I go in with too many expectations and enjoy it a lot more the second time.
|>>|| No. 21432
Came back a while I go:
A bit of a disappointment really. Characters seemed 1 dimensional and irrelevant and the pacing was all over the show. I got my fix of robots and spaceships though, and the new witty android was by far my favourite, really enjoyed the look of him. As for the girl, just an annoying screeching bint that tried making herself relevant. While the other characters like that Spanish lad was a bit detestable. The gay Asian couple was kind of cool, but their demise was so lack-lustre. The Asian defector lad was kind of funny, I was expecting him to reply with a "yeah yeah boss man, dem space mandem wont no wot hit em".
Overall, meh - ok I guess. I'd definitely go see it again.
|>>|| No. 21434
From the trailers it looks like the woman's entire personality is "strong female character" without any humour or charisma. Is this accurate to the film?
|>>|| No. 21436
Yeah, basically this >>21435
She's a lot better than last year's bint who, lets be honest, was a bit of an amateur.
But to be fair, fuck the plot, fuck the human dynamics, wheel out the droids, aliens, space ships and gadgets. If they made an Attenborough-esque documentary about those things I'd jump at the idea.
|>>|| No. 21440
I thought last year's lass was a much better actor, and a more interesting character. Different strokes, eh.
|>>|| No. 21442
Marginally - I saw some autist make a video about her and remark her acting ability consisting of widening her eyes in feigned surprise and acting shocked, when literally anything happened around her.
|>>|| No. 21444
Rogue One was boring and miserable. I'm surprised no characters sat on the toilet and shot themselves through the mouth with a blaster.
Also what's with all the stupid winks and nods to the actual Star Wars films? The weird faced bloke from A New Hope just travels around galaxy bumping into people apparently?
|>>|| No. 21446
It was somewhat entertaining, the first 15 minutes, with literally ever 30 seconds jumping to a new planet - that fucked me off. Basically it seems like the script was for 2, if not 3 films, and they squeezed it int one.
I also am getting annoyed at myself for being wound up by this inconsequential, trivial shit.
|>>|| No. 21447
The plot was fine, you're an idiot. It was shit because it lacked anything that's actually enjoyable about a Star Wars film. It was like Attack of the bloody Clones all over again.
|>>|| No. 21451
Ohh, yeah, he directed A New New Hope.
Forgive me, but I don't understand his relevance to my criticism of Rogue One: An Oliver Stone's Star Wars.
|>>|| No. 21452
What's all these enjoyable Star Wars "things" Rogue One completely lacked?
|>>|| No. 21453
I'm not sure - but it seems like these arm-chair directors would produce a better film if only their world-shattering ideas were heard.
|>>|| No. 21454
Charming and engaging characters and an investing plot. I'm aware these aren't unique to Star Wars and weren't included in the four billion dollar purchase of the franchise, but the plot's redundant (spoiler: the Rebellion wins) and the characters are basically a shitty, not terribly dirty, half dozen.
Rox MC just gets obliterated by a grenade. Why? Fuck him, that's why.
|>>|| No. 21522
At least Jyn Erso had a clearly defined backstory and clear motivation and development throughout. Unlike Rey who could magically do anything the plot required...total Mary Sue.
Sorry but TFA was a veiled reboot and a very lazy one at that, far from adding to the 'Skywalker Saga' it actually detracted from it. ROTJ left us with a happy ending of sorts. TFA undid that in a really shoddy manner. Han and Leia split up, Han gets killed....what a fucking downer. Rogue One on the other hand was fucking awesome; sure we knew how it would end, but it was a nice change from the Skywalker Saga and it filled in a bit of the history. PLUS speaking for myself, even though I KNEW how it would turn out, there was a large part of my brain that honestly believed that things were going to go wrong for the Rebels and that everything we knkw for a fact happens in ANH onwards was about to be undone...that's how powerful that third act was, especially in the last twenty minutes. Rogue One is vastly superior to TFA in pretty much every way, anyone who claims differently is a fanboy who refuses to accept that the 'little side story' was better thank the main saga entry. Then again though after the prequels, fanboys obviously had lowered expectations and forgot what a proper Star Wars movie is supposed to be like.
Also, Daisy Ridley is a fucking atrocious actress
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