>>5566 It's his most ambitious work and one which will be read for centuries to come. Who would have thought that a sometimes pulpy science fiction writer would create new religious paradigms which have been taken very seriously by scholars of theology in the thirty years following his death?
>>5567 I didn't know his paradigms had been taken seriously, that's very interesting. I read it over Christmas last year and don't think I really 'got' it. I found the repeated coming of Jesus thing quite interesting, but didn't understand why that meant that time had stopped between the death of the apostles and Horselover freaking out.
>>5568 Some gnostic heresies state that time stopped while Christ was being crucified, and that the pain we all experience is a fragment of Christ's pain: we are figments of his imagination living in a dreamworld. Christ is now alone on earth in pain and will undergo the agony of crucifixion until his (our) real Ascension.
If OP really did want to discuss the apparently easy task of buying dangerous benzodiazepines online, apologies. /A/ is eminently suitable for a discussion of Valis though.
I got hold of the 1000+ page 'Exegesis' and read it last year. The footnotes from theologists and other scholarly types were the most interesting parts - his own writing (which is increasingly treated with the reverence accorded to ancient mystics) is often incoherent and difficult to follow, although of course it was never intended for publication.
>>5566 Due to unfortunate constraints like a) having work in the morning, b) not recovering from severe emotional trauma and c) being too damn sensible for my own good I am not currently at liberty to go on a blackout-bender on these little beauties.
I even gave two of them to my friend to help her later recovery from MDMA when she goes out to a clubnight I can't attend for similar reasons.
I have no idea where else to get them online other than the obvious. 20 of these cost me the equivalent of roughly £4.60 thanks to buying BTC months ago before they tripled in value.
Have you tried Etizolam? It's not covered under the misuse of drugs act, thus legally available in the UK. It is, however, prescribed by actual doctors in many countries across the world and is thus consider safe when compared to most 'research chemicals' thus legally sold.
>>5572 I haven't but I'm mostly all for RCs so I might, I'm just more comfortable with my tried-and-tested benzes though. How strong is Etizolam again?
>>5574 No, vallies, as in OP's topic. (Diazepam. And yes I do keep a little note on my dash for quick reference of generics against brand names.)
>>5575 > I haven't but I'm mostly all for RCs so I might, I'm just more comfortable with my tried-
and-tested benzes though. How strong is Etizolam again?
Like I said it's not really an RC because it's legitimately prescribed throughout the world - just not controlled in the UK. We can assume, therefore, that in its pure form it's safe enough to use.
Etizolam comes in 1mg pills, I usually go half at a time and have never done more than two halves in one day. I suffer terribly from panic attacks otherwise but a relatively small dose (1mg etizolam = 10mg valium) keeps this right in check.
>>5577 Fantastic, so it's about the strength of alprazolam or lorazepam according to my chart there.
Since it's not controlled in the UK, you are entirely permitted and encouraged to nicely share the source you get them from. I'm guessing it's some RC vendor website? Do share.
Cool, that megachems site looks like good prices. I was using plantfoodpalace before. I got some MXE from there at one point. If i ever get the urge to experiment with something again i will check out megachems.
My experiences with etizolam is a little vague. I'm pretty inexperienced with benzos really, did a few in my teens. First time i tried etizolam i did 1, then another and it put me to sleep a few hours later.
The next time i was drunk, took one or two at first. Cant remember that weekend too well, it turned out i took the rest(another 3-5). So basically can't really remember much about the whole experience.
Is anyone able to brief me on responsible use of Valium & Benzo's in general. I've had minor experience with valium, I enjoyed it and it brought great mental relief and I can see it having a positive impact on my life... but that's how I want it to stay, positive.
A lot of the advice I read is anecdotal when it comes to this but the warnings seem pretty serious and the withdrawals don't look appealing.
I'm looking to detox for a while after an acid trip went a bit south and rocked me mentally. I'm finding it a bit hard to sleep and there's general lingering anxiety and weed doesn't help anymore, just exacerbates things.
Etizolam looks like a good temporary answer until I get my shit back in order or will it just makes things worse in the long run?
>>5620 There was a posted .pdf of toxicology from the years accidental drug deaths in Scotland for 2011 or something, on a weekend thread a few weeks ago.
1 person OD'd from solely heroin, whereas maybe 100 + people from any 2 out of the 3 of heroin, alcohol and benzos.
>>5620 >Is anyone able to brief me on responsible use of Valium & Benzo's in general.
Use them to sleep and deal with comedowns or anxiety on as as strict a basis as you can enforce on yourself.
Benzos are not to be fucked with. While for many people they can help serious insomnia or anxiety disorders, they also pose a serious abuse and addiction risk to people who use them recreationally or are irresponsible with their prescriptions.
The way benzos work is that they depress your CNS. Physical effects of this included deeper and slowed breathing (respiratory depression), muscle relaxation, and hypnotic effects. The psychological effects are that they 'depress' or take away your behavioural checks or thinking; yes, they get rid of your overthinking in that they stop anxiety, but they also gradually remove the thinking you do that controls your behaviour and makes you function as a normal member of society. Consequently, benzo users are prone to turning into monsters. They can be violent, overly emotional, irresponsible and reckless. The darkest side of benzos are blackouts; periods characterised by memory loss and abnormal behaviour, which are similar to how a bad drunk might act.
>Mental disturbances caused by benzodiazepines include blackouts and memory loss, aggression, violence and chaotic behaviour associated with paranoia.
The absolute worse thing you can do on benzos is combine them with alcohol; the two drugs have complementary, similar mechanisms which seem to enhance each other. A lot like how with alcohol you can go from being relaxed, sociable and easily amused to temperamental, unreasonable, and downright aggressive, so too you do with benzos. Combining two drugs with similar mechanisms of action is a bad recipe and seems to increase the likelihood of blackouts and awful behaviour.
Nevertheless, some people enjoy benzo use (with or without combination with alcohol) because they make all your cares go away and for a lot of people that's a lovely mood to be in. Unfortunately for a lot of people at stronger doses they also make all your humanity go away too.
Personally, I only ever use benzos as a way of dealing with insomnia or bad comedowns from other drugs. This isn't really ideal, but I force myself to be strict with these rules; after two episodes of combining benzos with alcohol and turning into a monster, I've learned my lesson: "you don't fuck with benzos". I don't consider them a good drug to use recreationally as a result of my experiences, and witnessing the effects of benzo use in others. I'd recommend you adopt a similar approach. If you need any more convincing, go read about benzodiazepine withdrawal; it's arguably the only withdrawal worse than that from heroin abuse, and in some cases if use isn't tapered off the withdrawal can kill you.
That's very kind, although someone disagreed with me the other day about benzos turning people into monsters.
As it is, I don't think a drug which has a reputation for users waking up after a 3-day bender that they can't remember to find an entire month's prescription mysteriously consumed or their credit card maxed out to purchase 4 purebred alpacas is a good one. I didn't mention these effects in my first post, did I? They're somewhat reknowned for being moreish and resulting in shopping sprees.
There's a certain amount of dark humour to benz use, but at the same time as you can read outrageous blackout stories and laugh at them you have to just stop and think about whether a drug that has this sort of reputation is a good one to take recreationally. (And obviously, I've decided that "probably not" is the right answer.)
The Taimapedia entry on benzo effects gets it in one, really. "D.G.A.F. disorder" entirely. It's lovely, not caring about anything, but caring about things (like not punching people in the face or not spending our savings on camelids in one night) is what regulates our behaviour and makes us able to function.
(Bonus: the image I posted earlier in this thread with the filename "andthenIwokeuponaplanetoSanFrancisco.jpg" is a reference to one of the more impressive benzo blackout stories I ever read on 420.)
>>5632 whilst i agree with you on the dangers of benzos, i'm currently enjoying
a nice 10mg valium x 1mg xanax plus 2 ale buzz. I will just go home
and go to sleep soon. I agree they're very easy to misuse and end up doing stupid stuff on though.
>>5633 Oh, of course. I just think you need to be really strict with them if you are going to use them.
There are some people who claim to use heroin 'just on the weekends' too. I think if you have a history of anxiety issues it makes you more likely to become dependent on them. Certain types of people are much better at becoming reliant on drugs, ultimately, you need to know yourself, be aware of the dangers and make an educated decision based on that.
>>5636 i'd be interested to know what percentage of benzo+booze combinations resulted in overdoses though.
last time I had a vallium stash I took like 5 - 6 of them on a night out in between smashing back pints and it was glorious. I managed to relax and not be socially anxious in a shitty area of east london that usually puts me on-edge even when i'm pissed. Usually all the odd people that just stop you in the street for no reason, the drug dealers, pissheads, junkies, extremist eskimos and hooded gangs of general hoodlum bastards keep me in a state of unshakable vigilance and awareness of my surroundings so it was nice to just feel a bit floaty and a million miles from caring about anything. I don't remember anything after pint 7 or so, but apparently we went back to my friends flat and I just fell over onto the sofa and passed out, i was still breathing so they just let me sleep. Fun times.
Obviously nobody else should try this because YOU WILL DEFINITELY DIE.
The problem is that you get no warning - if you go over, you just fall asleep and never wake up. Benzodiazepines and alcohol are mutual potentiators, so each makes the effect of the other stronger. This means that the dose response is highly non-linear and you can double the effect with only a small increase in dose. That is of course why people mix in the first place, but it's also why people die. The line between nicely buzzed and dead is incredibly fine.
If you passed out and your friends couldn't rouse you, then you were probably a single tablet or a can of lager away from death. It's no exaggeration to say that you'd be much safer taking heroin.
>>5679 Well now i just feel like a badass. You've also given me the perfect rationalisation for getting on the smack so thank you for that as well.
Snarky bullshit aside, I was worried about not breathing so i took things kinda slowly and I was with people that were aware of what I was doing. I guess I could have died but I didn't really feel like I would at any point. When i passed out it was more a kind of drunk-falling-asleep thing, rather than a proper blackout. I dunno, I guess i'm not too bothered about dying if it happens quietly while i'm unconscious.
