No. 6319Anonymous 19th November 2013 Tuesday 8:00 pm6319Ancient Philosophy vs Modern Science and Drugs
Hi /A/.
Today I want to ask your opinions on temperaments (ancient psychology) against modern Psychology (using drugs to repress a 'disorder').
Sanguine. (People Extrovert). Baby-like, highly efficient digestive system. Good people skills, natural breeders.
Choleric. (Task Extrovert). Muscular, strong square features. Physically restless and loves the gym and sport.
Melancholic. (Task Introvert). Large heads, small bodies and very peace loving but has a dark side of vice, despair and needs constant reassurance of talent.
Phlegmatic. (People Introvert). Passive aggressive, overly pondering, outside the box, lazy, procrastinating etc.
The under-achievers, the people with all the ADHD symptoms. Very bony, do not eat allot and spend most of there time not doing anything in-particular.
In modern science, medicine and culture terms:
Sanguine: Eating Disorder, Anxiety, Depression.
Sanguine Male: Probably gay.
Choleric Male: Perfectly normal
Choleric Female: Probably gay.
Melancholic: Psychopath, Sociopath, Arsehole, Dickhead..
Phlegmatic: ADHD, Lazy, Weirdo, Not on the right page, Lost on another planet.. I can list hundreds of those.
So are we doing the right thing to MEDICATE our personalities or is one of the contributing factors to our culture getting a little unnatural and artificial.
I believe we should adapt our civilization to our personalities, not adapt our personalities to our civilization. Most people are unhappy with the only work they could find because its unlikely everyone knows what they are good at.
Medicating kids with ADHD because they are highly phlegmatic and creative? Giving a kid an anti-social behavior disorder diagnosis because he is smart enough to want to fuck the system and has the balls to do it?
I'm not sure what you're suggesting.
That being gay is a mental illness?
That the four humours was an accurate description of the human psyche?
What do you mean 'adapt our civilization to our personalities'? Surely our 'civilisation' is the collective action of all our political relationships, so is in constant exchange with our personalities.
You're probably trying to say that you feel personality has become overly medicalised, but why didn't you just say this? Maybe your digestive system is too efficient m8.
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I think society views homosexuals as having a disorder, when in reality I personally believe they have a place in our society through evolution of our species. The female and male sanguine are good family/community builders and are great people-people.
Yes I think the four humors is spot on, more or less this has been re-affirmed to me in the last 10 years as our culture changes rapidly we are seeing people express them-self allot more.
But yes, I think Psychology in general is completely messed up. The kid with ADHD might concentrate in class with his Ritalin (amphetamine) but he will cease to be that creative little troublemaker, putting his mind back inside societies box.
Nature has given archetypes or allowed species to select archetypes for new offspring before (in bees, ants and other insects).
I would not be surprised if humans developed something along the same wavelength to create 4 different specialists within a primitive society.
I will give the 'Highschool' example, in human adolescence we attend school and the archetypes seem to form groups of similar kids.
The sporty kids, usually alpha male orientated and athletic usually go for the baby-faced slightly (at the time) chubby, sweet kind schoolgirl. Excellent example is prom King and Queen or Football player and Cheerleader. Sorry for using American examples but they are the most obvious.
The weird, creative, smart, nerdy kids they stick together too, the smart kids are sometimes lucky enough to get a breeder girl (sanguine) but she always turns fat so unlucky smart kid. Most creative/smart people marry similar types and have the minds to figure out each-others complex subliminal messages and passive aggressiveness (which would drive an extroverted person crazy and usually does in those relationships).
>>6319 ADHD really doesn't fit with the phlegmatic temperament as it is usually described.
The sanguine is supposed to be pleasure seeking, charismatic and highly sociable, so why have you listed it against anxiety and depression? Surely an eating disorder is more about denial of pleasure?
The phlegmatic is supposed to be observant and considerate, which doesn't fit with your diagnoses.
People who are pleasure seeking, charismatic and social are very susceptible to anxiety and depression. Because they are very people orientated it is easy for them to feel low if things are not going right and they can grow very anxious when things are not going right or something awkward happens.
I only know 3 people who are fat, they all very family orientated and great people skills, 2 are gay the other is camp, they all love drugs (indulgences) and spending money on themselves.
And they all go through the worst fucking depression, that is a low self hating battle between mind and instinct, to eat or to diet etc.
As for Phlegmatics I know only 4 of them 'closely' and myself. Inability to concentrate or keep eye contact, constant procrastination and very imaginative and yes very observant and considerate, all 5 of us do notice when someone is upset or when help is required and none of us think twice or expect any 'reward' like most other types. We are just happy to be doing something, we will be thinking about something else soon after.
>>6326 >all 5 of us do notice when someone is upset or when help is required and none of us think twice or expect any 'reward' like most other types. We are just happy to be doing something, we will be thinking about something else soon after.
Legitimately the weirdest thing I've read in quite a while.
>>6329 I don't have much respect for you right now, to be honest, and I suspect I'd be placed under the banner of "dominantly introverted". Start making sense.
I think you are an extrovert primarily because you expect people to make sense, like it is normal.
Just my opinion.
You also seem quite aggressive, possibly a neck beard sanguine hybrid who tells himself he is introverted to avoid a feeling of social inadequacy by his failings.
My mate started a new job, and during his induction training they forcefed him some bullshit psychology to help with the customer service aspect, revolving around how there are different "colours" of people, these being red for straightforward, strong headed etc, blue for technical and curious, green for your "average joe normal", and so on. I couldn't help but wonder if this was more than just pseudo-scientific powerpoint nonsesne, and that maybe human society actively encourages the "production" of different kinds of people in much the same way as ant colonies produce workers, drones etc.
I started to think about renaissance culture, and how science and art worked alongside one another as humanity climbed out of the comparatively primitive times before into the enlightenment era. Maybe the same kind of mind that produces scientific genius is behind artists and musicians- or maybe even the modern scientific mind is an evolutionary offshoot from the artistic mind, or vice versa.
All of them seem to have a depth of feeling, observation, some perception that most other people lack. By contrast they are stereotypically shy, and work underneath others- Happy to carry on in their work even though a bigwig at the top of the research firm/record company takes care of the business and rakes in the profits; the symbiotic relationship between a blue and a red. Or as OP puts it, choleric and melancholic.
It seems to make sense that natural selection would encourage specialisation in a society such as ours, and in a species with relatively long generational gaps that our minds would have evolved to easily adapt to these conditions. We talk of "modern society" as though it is really all that different to societies of days gone by- Really, it is not. We have shiny gadgets and talk to screens, but we largely do the same things. We wake up, we toil so that we may feed our families, we go back to the shelter in which they reside and we sleep until it is time to repeat the process. To me, the increasing prevalence of ADHD kids and their speed medication indicates the impact of technology on our lives, and the reduction in patience it has had on people of all colours. ADHD kids are not the ones with inhibited attention spans, rather the world around them is now too impatient to deal with their behaviour, being used to a world where everything else happens at the touch of a button.
Anyhow I have gone off track. Sage for armchair acid philosophy.
I forgot to add- Either way I don't much like psychology, and I have studied it properly in a school with books and stuff.
It seems to me the field is currently somewhere around the stage that alchemy was just after they realised they couldn't turn lead into gold by boiling it in shit and piss, but before they had actually figured out what really made things tick. We're over trepanning and the lobotomy, but we're still sticking probes into people's brains just to find out what happens.
When I visit friends who are using anti-depressants, anti-psychotics or other such drugs, I can't help but be reminded of medieval doctors sticking leeches all over people's faces. We simply do not understand the mind thoroughly enough. We know enough to guess at how things work but we're still using treatments that only appear to work, and that do so for reasons completely unknown.
