So it seems Science Supplies Direct (AKA Plant Food Palace, Boz Boz Bazaar) has gone down.
Where can I reliably buy legal products online now?
My friend bought some Synthacaine from a shop in Manchester last week, it wasn't too bad at all until I tried to sleep. Made listening to all sorts of shit music great, though I couldn't do much more than shuffle my feet and probably looked a right berk.
Apologies if this is technically a hook up thread.
I see EPH and MPA are still quite big sellers, but from what I can see in various Forums, they are just mild stims right?
Anyone had any experience with either?
I do wonder if they are popular for a reason :/ and I regret not trying benzo fury when I had the chance, many say it was like a really good pill with little comedown.
Preferred AMT to BK-2-CB myself. It seems to still be legal for now, although the guy at the local headshop has stopped selling it because it is getting classified soon apparently.
More of a clarity and less confusion to the "high"; but then again, out of the many times me and my mate used these chemicals, we barely felt fuck all unless we smoked tons of weed alongside it. Perhaps we were just being too paranoid about the doses and should have taken more, but you never can be too careful with these chemicals.
Otherwise I agree with your hypothesis. Came to the same conclusion eventually, all of the legal alternatives have too many downsides or are just a bit shit, so in the end it's just worth taking the plunge and getting the real deal.
>>6948 From my own experience, MPA is only popular for the same reason mephedrone was; it's cheap, and "legal". I don't like M-cat, and never have, and I didn't like MPA either. Just buy some base, mate.
6-APB was definitely meant to be a very good one, although I didn't try it personally. Generally the speed with which a chemical is banned (regulated) is a good indicator of how recreational it is and how widespread its use is.
From what I have researched online, AMT is a trippy one but can make people sick and can last a very long time. AH-7921 is a shite opioid substitute. However, 5-MeO-DALT looks promising. A fair few others seem to like it. It appears to a reasonably nice trippy stim, which doesn't last too long. Care must be taken not to OD though (scales and dose info needed).
Some sites are starting to sell these products cheap.
Anyone with any experience of these, please share.
Never used any of them but by all accounts (Erowid is your go-to, followed by Bluelight) the only one that's any fun at all is AH-7921, which is current king of legal opioids. The reason that AMT and 5-meo-dalt have stayed legal so long is because no one's ever actually really used them. I've currently got 250mg of 5-meo-dalt sitting around that I have no idea what to do with, other than wait for someone to really fuck me off and mix it in their coffee or something. Obviously that was a joke.
The only really good 5-meo drug was supposed 5-meo-dipt (foxy methoxy), although I did have a friend who enjoyed 5-meo-amt (not to be confused with 5-meo-dmt, under any circumstances).
I'm afraid my curiosity got the better of me and I bought some 5-meo-DALT regardless. It really does seem to be one people either like or don't, so I just gotta see for myself.
I see there's a new stim generating a lot of interest, 3'-fluorophenmetrazine (sometimes seen as 3-FPM). It's too new for me to want to try at the moment, but worth keeping an eye on them reports at bluelight etc.
AMT does seem popular with a fair few it seems, but did you find you were tripping for like 18hours or something? That seems like an incredibly long time. I don't think I could handle it.
Someone mentioned BK-2-CB is a nice mild psychedelic earlier in the thread. I haven't tried it but worth looking into. I also received my 5-meo-dalt today, so will let you know what I think of that one, which won't be for a while as I got a lot on at the moment.
Yeah it did usually last a long time, but that was a pro rather than a con for me. About 16 or so hours I'd say. Generally we found that doses high enough to bring out the full melty kind of visuals required a spare day for coming down- But the last 6 hours or so can't really be described as tripping, just a sort of lingering surreality.
As for the BK-2-CB, I think it may have been me that mentioned it. It was aright visually, but had no real other effects, none of that "trip vibe", besides leaving one rather inarticulate and quiet. Psychedelics are best when you can sit and talk for hours about pretentious hippy nonsense.
I would appreciate a reliable experience of the 5-meo, do report back lad.
Cool, cheers for the info. It may be a few weeks till i have the time to give it a whirl.
For the meantime perhaps this site can help https://www.ukchemicalresearch.org/Forum-Psychedelics I been glancing at the forum a fair bit lately, and as it's UK based I've found it a lot more useful than bluelight and others. It's also got sections on stims, downers and lots of useful info on vendors. Worth keeping an eye on every now and again when a new chem comes out.
>>6943 >Having said that, the vast majority of 'mandy' you buy (especially at clubs and festivals) will actually be shitty methadrone.
Maybe you. Don't buy it if it isn't crystals (rocky ones, not shards like MCAT).
A good trick for sourcing legal highs online is to find out the chemical name, ie methylenedioxymethamphetamine instead of MDMA, and then do an image search. Open up the links until you find a vendor. That's what used to work a few years back, anyway.
>>7068 Just goes to show that YMMV on every drug people take; I took BK-2-CB for the third time on Saturday, 100mg, and the trip was much more full-on compared to the previous times I've taken it when it had previously only given me slight visuals and a peacefully trippy headspace. I had everything typical of a psy trip; rainbow visuals, tracers, motion blur, feeling like you've experienced every conversation before/knowing what'll happen next, uncontrollable laughter, inability to sleep for about 16 hours (even after etizolam) etc. It wasn't as internal as acid can be though, which can be preferable for some, and I was far more able to handle any moments of panic than I would've been on a stronger psy. I'd say it's a good experience to have with friends around you who were also tripping (as I was) and a loving and supportive partner who lets you talk about rainbow ants and isn't too mad that you kept her up all night by turning the light on and off repeatedly.
Often overlooked, but vital for good tripping vibes.
I do feel sorry for those poor souls whose girlfriend won't let them take silly internet bought chemicals and subsequently spend the evening wandering around in the dark wearing two dressing gowns and a duvet.
This is both extremely odd and extremely worrying.
Both vendors I use have put up notices stating that they won't be stocking Etizolam any more and the vendor that once sold "proper blistered" Etizolam pellets no longer lists them. The only site I could find still selling "proper blistered" pills now only ships to the same address as the card is registered to and as I'm not currently living at home that's that fucked. So I've been reduced to ordering 100 loose pellets which I generally try not to buy simply out of desperation.
I'm wondering what the sudden cause of this is, because it's the only chemical everyone seems to have dropped rapidly and one site is already offering a modified etizolam molecule for a higher price. My bet (which is something I've mentioned having worried about in the past on this board) is that they've taken advice that selling Etizolam violates the medicines act exactly because it's available in pharmacy blisters for human consumption (it's a bit hard to say "not for human consumption" when it comes in a legit box from a pharmaceutical company). I really hope that I'm wrong as that this is a temporary supply issue / concerns over a contaminated batch but so far nothing I've seen fits that.
If anyone else has any info or finds anywhere still selling Etizest/Etilaam blisters I'd be delighted to hear about it.
so fucking glad I got my tolerance down when i did. If I was still using daily and having withdrawals and then they took Etizolam off the market completely I would probably have climbed inside my own arsehole out of sheer panic and rolled away into a deep pit of despair like some grotesque fleshy snooker ball.
My vendor told me it was due to the fact that one headshop in the UK is under a test trial for selling a prescription medicine under the medicines act so everyone is ditching stock as a precaution.
I've tried 'em all, Declazipam, Flubromazipam, Nifoxipam and then all the actual prescription Benzo's and nowt comes close to my sweet, sweet Etizest in terms of half life and convenience and overall euphoria. I suppose i just need to be grateful for being present during the mephedrone equivalent of benzos.
One day i'll man up & order Xanax from the Internet. Then that's my bucketlist all ticked.
> My vendor told me it was due to the fact that one headshop in the UK is under a test trial for selling a prescription medicine under the medicines act so everyone is ditching stock as a precaution.
My worst fears confirmed then.
> I've tried 'em all, Declazipam, Flubromazipam, Nifoxipam and then all the actual prescription Benzo's and nowt comes close to my sweet, sweet Etizest in terms of half life and convenience
You and me both, mate. Etizolam was the best of them all for me, and like you say Etizest was the best brand. I still have 30 of the little pink fuckers tucked away for emergencies.
Before you lose hope plenty of people still selling (loose, generic, caveat emptor) etizolam on the darknet and I've found Etilaam on at least one "euro pharmacy" but so Etizest. Overall, could be worse.
It's not listed under the misuse of drugs act so it's legal to buy, possess, import, etc, however it appears that under the medicines act it's illegal to sell any "medicine" (how that's legally defined, I'm not sure) for human consumption - which is why all RCs, party pills, etc are sold as "not for human consumption". The trouble with doing that with Etizolam is that it's sold for human consumption as a prescription medicine in several countries around the world, somewhat refuting the "not for human consumption" boilerplate.
The closest substance I can think of to this is modafinil which isn't controlled under the MOD act but is licensed for prescription in the UK. So, with modafinil (like all non-controlled prescription only medicines) it's legal to import and possess for personal use but illegal to sell or supply.
The reason that Etizolam is such a grey area is because it's not controlled under the MOD act, isn't licensed for prescription in the UK but is in certain other countries.
tl;dr: legal to import and possess for personal use, maybe illegal (we won't know until the test case happens) to sell or supply in the UK.
>>7216 They have no idea what's in the package, you get a different card if it's been seized. And they haven't got any grounds to seize it on. If it's just the standard red "you were out" card it's because it needs a signature - it should say why on the card. Chill your beans, no one's going to wadgle your todger in the bodge.
I am still interested in this scene. I find the development of new psychoactive drugs fascinating and enjoy keeping up with it all. There have been plenty of bans, but yet new drugs are still being made.
I tried MXP recently. I had an interesting and enjoyable night with a friend. However, I have a feeling that extreme confusion may have had being on the cards, if we pushed the drug much further.
I hear more positive things about Ephenidine, but have yet to test it myself. £30 a g is perhaps a little expensive. Would love to hear if anyone else has sampled this one?
3-MeO-PCMo has literally just come out a day or two ago, but not one trip report yet. It could be interesting to see if that one is any good too.
>>7378 £30 a gram seems the bench mark price for anything powdery of middling quality you can get in a bag. Worth a punt. And make sure you come back here and tell us how it plastered your eyelids to the ceiling for 6 hours, there's a good lad.
>>7378 MXP is just like ketamine, but it takes two full hours to kick in, which is actually a bigger deal than I thought it'd be. Like ketamine, it causes confusion and it'd be incredibly easy to forget how much you've taken, aided by the fact that a dose can be as low as 50mg (but varies dramatically from person to person) - all of which combine to make for not that great of a dissociative. Definitely one that demands care.
>>7380 Well, it appears that 3-MeO-PCMo is not really up to scratch according to early reports, so I just dropped £30 on a gram of Ephenidine. I'm very interested to see how it compares to MXP, most people prefer it from what I can tell. Give me a week or two to get some commitments out of the way, and I will be a good lad and report back.
>>7381 Yeah that 2 hour come up is a bitch, I have a feeling Ephenidine will be the same in that regard, however I hear it is a smoother experience. I had 80mg of MXP myself and had a nice time on that amount. However, I was getting very confused about how much I had taken (the sum of 60mg+20mg was incredibly confusing for me to work out once the drug kicked in). Luckily my friend kept track of the dosing and kept things from getting out of hand. He needed a bit more than me and did another 20mg, so 100mgs in total for him. He then achieved a nice level of dissociation. We were both functional, but could definitely feel the buzz and nature of the drug. It went down well with beers too and music sounded great. I don't think I would trust myself on much more the 100mg of MXP though. My worry is that I could get too confused and may convince myself of something very daft and possibly act out on it. It appears to lack the heavy sedation of Ket and MXE. There are some nightmare stories on the net of people getting themselves in some real trouble on this one.
From what I hear though, Ephendine is more relaxing and even a bit more euphoric than MXP. Only one way to find out though, and I am sure it will also require a fair bit of care too. I believe it is a lot more similar to MXP, than MXE or Ket.
You'll have to switch to the lidocane and silicon bead heavy cocaine available from nightclubs or mixing asprin and cocacola like normal junkies now on.
Alright, so me and a friend tried Ephenidine for the first time a few nights ago. It was fun.
As we both have a small amount of recent experience with MXE and MXP (years ago we also tried ket a few times and DXM) we both decided to drop 100mg to start with. I came up first (to be expected as I am rather skinny). 45mins it took for me, which was nice, it took my friend longer to come up.
I would say that it is less confusing than MXP. I felt comfortable enough to take another 30mg a fair few hours later when I felt the main effects from the 100mg fade. I think my friend took another 50mg in total over the night. We were not near hole territory (which was not something either of us desired). Sound, moving, and visuals were distorted or enhanced in a fun way. No major open eye visuals, but things looked better some how.
We both enjoyed the evening. Noticeable highlights, was watching fantasia and kung fury. Eating an apple, was quite an experience too, I referred to it at the time like eating a trance anthem. The chomps were incredible.
Personally, I was able to sleep ok with the help of 1 etiz and felt positive, if slightly stimmed the next day. Now I feel fine, so no crash. My friend had trouble sleeping on the night, so was a bit more shaky the next day than I was.
I want to stock up on this one. I liked it. Of course if you are tempted, be aware everyone is different with their tastes, so google the hell out of this one for more info/trip reports. Make sure you have scales and a safe environment. Don't be silly with this one, as it is a potent chem.
Hate to be the person to necrobump a thread, but that MDMA thread reminded me.
What's become of all the research chem stuff since that new legislation a while ago? Did it even touch the market, or has everything been shut down? Reckon it's any more risky ordering these days considering it's technically actually illegal now?
May 26th marks the end of an era for lots of legal drugs. Personally, I've thoroughly enjoyed researching. I've had some outer body, other dimensional dissociative experiences i've preferred to ketamine, i've had some harder, faster, cleaner stimulant experiences that i've preferred to coke and speed and i've relaxed considerably on downers which i've found more reliable than valium.
All the shops are closing online, so now's the time to stock up, be careful of scammers though and find websites which discuss vender reliability.
