https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRfhNx9pJzk


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qu63VIeVXiU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwEuwPVWefM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2qnx3yVGzg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyb1Mc0s6mI

My R.E.M CD arrived today. The album "In Time" sounds really good on my system, and especially the track Nightswimming. Very clear and transparent, with great dynamics.

Which I've found is not a given. You'd think that CDs all sound the same, but some albums are just better mixed than others. Even on my vintage higher-end system not a flex made up of components from the 80s to late 90s, you can tell the difference. Among the more disappointing albums I've bought recently is Seal's Greatest Hits compilation. You'd think that Trevor Horn as producer would know what he's doing, but comparing it to the R.E.M. CD and others like it, the mid range and treble on much of the Seal album sound flat and muffled. At least on my system. I'll still give Horn the benefit of doubt that it sounds good on other kinds of systems, but again, that was a bit of a disappointment.

>>15555

I'd recommend you read a couple of books such as The Art of Sound: A Visual History and Sound Recording: The Life Story of a Technology. Even grab a copy of something like The Recording Engineer's Handbook if you want to have a look in from the more professional side of the subject.

I can tell you have a great enthusiasm for the subject but you have that thing I always sense in audiophiles where you want to speak about it as if you know what's going on, but you really don't, and it might as well all be voodoo magic to you. You will enjoy them and you'll be able to appreciate all the well produced records so much the greater when you have more of a sense what it took to make them sound that way.

>>15556

I wouldn't call myself an audiophile. Just somebody who enjoys a good hi fi system and spending time actually sitting down and listening to music, which is kind of a dying pastime nowadays. Where music is always in the background, and people never quite stop and take time to appreciate it. I do love spending an entire evening just going through my music collection and listening to it, for the sake of listening to it.

If I was a true audiophile, I probably wouldn't make do with hi-fi components that are older than some lads on .gs. To me it's a compromise; I've inherited most of my system from somebody with a discerning taste in hi-fi, it sounds quite decent, and I know that I'd have to spend a considerable amount of money today for something that will sound better than what I've got, or at least justify the extra cost. Also, I just like old technology. The way it's much more robustly built and serviceable, and as such will probably still outlast 50 percent of what's on the market today.

You don't have to go all gatekeeping, lad. Do I know a lot about sound recording? No. not really. I just know when a music recording sounds good. And not in a younglad oomph-oomph way.

>>15557

It was a good faith recommendation mate, not intended to patronise. Furthering your knowledge of the field will heighten your appreciation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5c6sMntanTQ

>>15559
I had to look up this AFI, to see if they were the same AFI that I've heard of. And they are! This is the second time the bastards have stung me, after 2003-4 when I discovered a song of theirs from the late '90s, and told everyone they were amazing, blissfully unaware that they had since turned into a lame emo band that all my friends hated. And this was before YouTube, so there was no way to hear how they used to sound and prove my point. AFI must really love fucking with people in terms of genres.

Uh .. babe?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DWB22SHdRs

>>15560
For me, AFI peaked with Sing the Sorrow.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Yzu-4kJg6g

Holy Visions sounds more like one of Davey Havok's side projects than AFI.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Qs7D__wg_4


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sj_fc6bG8aE

>>15561
Women are so cool.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCZuYS-9qaw

The video was shot right after Billy Idol had a motorcycle accident where he was badly injured. The inserts where he appears in the video were filmed from the waist up because he was in a wheelchair at the time with his one leg in a cast.

The accident also prevented him from taking on the role of the T-1000 in Terminator 2, for which he had already signed. It was only because Idol was obviously too weak to play a quite physical role in a sci-fi action movie that the part then went to Robert Patrick. That's right, if it hadn't been for the accident, Billy Idol would have gone down in pop culture history as the face of the T-1000 instead.

Have you ever wished Dire Straits made more songs that sounded exactly like Sultans of Swing? Well, they did!

>>15565

It's just the Sultans at home, though, isn't it. My favourite Dire Straits song that isn't Sultans of Swing is Six Blade Knife.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRN04uR9kcc

They are really one of those bands where only their first couple of albums are worth listening to. I don't care how much hi-fi lad tries to stan Brothers in Arms, it's shite.

Sorry I'm just in a bad mood because I've had to listen to Radio 1 all day. Jesus I can't believe some of you cunts think shite like Niki Minaj and Charlie XCX is actually good music, you need to have your heads examined.

Have some more Denpa. Despite a jarring discord on a few of the chimes, I'm loving this. Particularly this sped up version, it's darling.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f78W2nJlNXA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v470OTkI5rs

Kind of a nondescript girl pop song, but to this day I still enjoy listening to it when I'm on holiday and driving to an actual beach.

>>15568
I'm not sure that you can call All Saints nondescript.

Why did we surrender this genre of music to Korea? Come'on lads, let's get a pizza in, do each others nails and watch Hocus Pocus on VHS.

>>15569

Girl bands were a dime a dozen in the early 2000s, all more or less copying the Spice Girls formula, with varying degrees of success and quality. Just as cookie cutter boy bands had been dominating the second half of the 90s after Take That and East 17 had paved the way.

Pure Shores is still a song that takes me back, if just to fond memories of past summer holidays, so it gets a pass from me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7if6HFZMAiQ


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlL0jdj0wE4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bA_0R-nCc-I

From the Fargo Series 2 soundtrack.

I didn't like hearing this on the radio, but I wouldn't mind so much otherwise. There's a lot of undertone, I wonder if it was produced binaurally?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaYvlVR_BEc

>>15575
The opening line reminds me of another song, and I spent the rest of the song trying to work out what it was. It was this:

>>15575

I own two Massive Attack albums but I fucking hate them, both. There's something in the tone of each and every track that instantly hurts the temples of my head (Teardrop is the obvious exception). It's a shame because on the face of it I should like this group.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7K72X4eo_s

>>15577
I think you got the wrong organ there, mate. I'd rather dress like a pussy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0mjlDDk3tE

I blame my love of 70s disco on the fact that this is what my late dad was listening to when I was a weelad in the late 70s. It's my earliest memory of experiencing music. I found this particular single in a stack of his old vinyl records a while ago. And I also came across some cassette tapes of music he had taped off Radio 2 from the same period.

This is for you, Dad.

This is nice to work to.

>>15580
I remember dancing to this at the millennium. It's just good, clean and fun to dance to without anything more to it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1h6-I6MlLow

Another song that my dad apparently liked. I found it on one of his cassettes from the time, with music off Radio 2. Kind of a fascinating time capsule, as those cassettes also contain bits of news programmes and special events.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygTFGm6lgY4

I miss sleazy 00s shitposting music.

Probably shouldn't click on that second one at work. Surprisingly Dirty Sanchez wasn't Canadian.

I couldn't decide what what kind of drone metal I wanted, so why not both?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l31Xj44vJEA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RA2BB5o0Hp4

I don't want to alarm you both, but we could be looking at the beginning of an album that surpasses Atrocity Exhibition.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRZTRTPiIT4

Meat Loaf was really one of a kind. Always a bit daft in his stage presence, but despite some volatility apparently very good natured and pleasant to be around in his personal life.

I regret never going to one of his concerts. I'm sure they were good fun. I almost bought tickets one time, but my girlfriend at the time wasn't as enthusiastic about him as I was.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnHm4ro_l8s

Watching Guns Akimbo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJ9rUzIMcZQ

Bohemian Rhapsody turns 50 this month.

Wikipedia says the official release date was 31 October, 1975.

Nothing says greatness like putting out a song that's still a staple 50 years later.

Sex music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DanMZQ8uF1I

Listening to it again for the first time in years, the lyrics are far more disturbing than I remembered them. Or maybe that's just oldlad me talking.

I saw Ville Valo alias HIM once in London, around 2000, outside a club that had some sort of VIP night that evening as part of a TV after-show event or something. We were unaware that there was even going to be a VIP night at that club, and they wouldn't let us in because we didn't have the wristbands that only invited guests had, it turned out. Anyway, we were about to leave when a black Mercedes van with blacked out windows pulled up, and Ville Valo and his entourage emerged. I remember he looked somewhat flamboyant, in that toned down goth way, with a dark billowing trenchcoat with fake fur lapels, and black sunglasses, and was surrounded by groupies left and right. It was clear that he was enjoying the rockstar lifestyle.

>>15612
I've only known two people who were big HIM fans.

One had a heartagram tattoo, styled himself as Bam Margera and did kerazy things like eating creme eggs with the foil still on.

The other killed his pet hamster in a microwave.

>>15613

Still, if you were that certain type of groupie, there were probably loads of parties and oodles of free cocaine in it for you, plus the distinction of having shagged Ville Valo. Who was sort of not yet the one hit wonder that he eventually became.

Can't say he looked menacing when he passed us that night in London. More like a goth Marc Bolan or Michael Hutchence. Yeah, that sounds about right.

>>15612
I'm not trying to be a dick, but I am certain you've told that story before. That or we're forming a hivemind (a problem).

Anyway, I really have to wonder why anyone would be a gothic rock goth when you could be an industrial/EBM goth?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJDhduguu7c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTmYL4-k7EE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJiGmGmN2dU

>>15616

>I'm not trying to be a dick, but I am certain you've told that story before.

No, that's fine. I may have told that story before.

To your second point, maybe being a gothic rock goth is a way for people to dip their toes in the water without getting their feet wet.

I've known a few Industrial/EBM/Dark Wave goths, and they can be pretty messed up. A friend who knew a few of them more intimately told me that there is often a common thread of childhood abuse and neglect, or some underlying condition like chronic depression.

>>15619
Rightly or wrongly I assosciate goth rock with the music I found on Newgrounds when I was 13, and industrial/EBM with strobe lights and core strength. I recognise that a certain Mr Reznor is doing, quite literally, a lot of the heavy lifting in this paradigm.

>there is often a common thread of childhood abuse and neglect, or some underlying condition like chronic depression.
Not to get too dark in this already gothic discussion, but I wouldn't be suprised if that's just something a goth would be more open about, for better or worse, than a normal. I mean, there has to be something wrong with that lot out there.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMN2WLEDYGM

>>15620

>Not to get too dark in this already gothic discussion, but I wouldn't be suprised if that's just something a goth would be more open about

Maybe you could even say that some of it is just part of goth chic, where you just have a more gloomy outlook on life.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJS3xnD7Mus

This song is now pretty exactly 30 years old, released in November of 1995.

Speaking of chance encounters, a friend spotted Jarvis Cocker on a tube train in the middle of London a few years ago. Apparently he was the most unassuming presence that you could imagine, just an entirely unremarkable looking bloke who quietly came in through the door and proceeded to take a seat in a corner without even looking at people, like he was just a regular guy. My friend quickly pulled up a picture of Jarvis Cocker on his smartphone, and sure enough, it was him.

It would certainly fit his style, just casually using public transport and blending in like that. Mixing with the Common People, you know.

>>15612
>This world is a cruel place and we're here only to lose
Fucking hell, people actually believed this. I'd like to say I feel bad for them but right now I just can't. Unless you have a serious chemical imbalance in the brain, just cheer up mate. I jest but shit, people compound their angst with this type of music then wonder why their worldview sucks.
Fuck me, just looking at the album art.. 'Your Sweet 666' first track while looking at this, pink fluff and tattooed cock? What the fuck are we looking at here, who is the target audience for this?
Whaya doin mae?!

Jesus Christ, give me those Russian lesbians instead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mGBaXPlri8

>>15623

>Fucking hell, people actually believed this. I'd like to say I feel bad for them but right now I just can't. Unless you have a serious chemical imbalance in the brain, just cheer up mate.

It was all part of the whole goth chic that I alluded to earlier. Whose evolution, at least in part, was then emo in the early 2000s.

Essentially, even "Join Me" was just playing with teen angst. It was no more true goth than Tatu were true lesbians. Go and have a listen to some real, deeply nihilist, existentialist EBM and Dark Wave. Which will make Join Me sound like the scribblings of a 15 year old who dyed his hair black for the first time last week.

That said, I'm sure those lyrics were unsettling parents back then all the same. Not every mum and dad will want to have their adolescent kid listening to a song about a suicide pact.