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>> No. 1209 Anonymous
20th October 2010
Wednesday 8:10 am
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http://beforeitsnews.com/story/218/366/Enormous_Ring_is_Developing_on_the_Sun.html

The last thing our satallites will see before we are knocked into a new Dark Age. Destroyed by the sun's big ringpiece.

Time to start packing away your back up comms and electronics in faraday cages. Anything not safe from EMPs in a couple of years will be toast.
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>> No. 1219 Anonymous
22nd October 2010
Friday 7:26 pm
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I can just buy some more.
>> No. 1221 Anonymous
23rd October 2010
Saturday 1:41 pm
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>>1219

With what? Non-working electronic money systems? What will you buy? Destroyed stock in shops?

Enjoy your grim death at the hands of the ravenous mob.
>> No. 1222 Anonymous
24th October 2010
Sunday 2:40 pm
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>>1221

>With what? Non-working electronic money systems?

No, actual money.

>What will you buy? Destroyed stock in shops?

No, new stuff that gets churned out of factories all the time.

What's the worst that could happen?

I know it's exciting thinking that we're heading for riots and an apocalypse scenario in which it's every survivorman for himself, but get real, that won't happen.

For the first day, people would just think it's a series of bad coincidences. On the second day, they might try contacting friends, but since nothing is working, would just go down to them themselves.

At this point, they're bound to notice every news source talking about it. There would probably be signs. Even if there's not, the government would help us. They'd distribute leaflets explaining what's happening and what to do.

There might be riots in the poorer areas of larger cities, but the army will put a stop to that.

Within a year, it's like it never happened.
>> No. 1223 Anonymous
25th October 2010
Monday 5:09 pm
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>>1222
In the unlikely event of everything getting fried, no banking system to provide a reference to the value of paper notes (and no gold to underpin its value either), no electronic tills to record transactions, no TV, internet or phones for news to propagate through... Additionally the majority of jobs in Britain deal with fictitious products that only exist in computer systems, so however unlikely this scenario is, it would be massively fucked up.
>> No. 1224 Anonymous
25th October 2010
Monday 5:56 pm
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What's the point of keeping all my tech in faraday cages if nobody else is? My laptop will still be useless unless the national grid and the phone/cable lines are protected too.
>> No. 1225 Anonymous
25th October 2010
Monday 6:47 pm
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>>1222

This is a fine example of how the average ignorant and naive person "thinks" (although it's more parroting and baseless assumptions rather than any kind of deep thinking). Naive and ignorant of even their own ignorance until the day they are put out of their misery and then it's all a "surprise", despite being warned. It's amazing how many surprises happen to naive and ignorant people and how easily they believe the claims of others that something was a complete surprise to everyone. They often end up begging for help when things go wrong. Good riddance to bad rubbish. I always try to help those who try hard, but if someone makes their own noose then I won't cry when I see them hang.

>>1224

Have a think about it. If you really can't think of any reason then I wouldn't bother encouraging you as I have no desire to help the hopeless or witless. I'm sure anyone who is able to think it through would see why it would be handy to have some back up items (and obviously be sensible about it, not saving your Tefal Actifry or some crap).


When it comes to the solar cycles it is not a matter of "if". It will happen and we are due an event (likely a very big one) in our lifetimes. Precautions for the worst are the same as getting a fire extinguisher, first aid kit or insurance. Only an idiot would think of buying one after the fire has started or the injury has happened or expect someone to rush in and loan them a fire extinguisher and first aid kit (or somehow get insurance after the accident to try and cover something that has already happened). People who expect others to do all the work and rescue them all the time while they do nothing almost deserve all the misery they get from such foolishness and laziness.
>> No. 1227 Anonymous
26th October 2010
Tuesday 2:57 pm
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>>1225

>This is a fine example of how the average ignorant and naive person "thinks" (although it's more parroting and baseless assumptions rather than any kind of deep thinking). Naive and ignorant of even their own ignorance until the day they are put out of their misery and then it's all a "surprise", despite being warned. It's amazing how many surprises happen to naive and ignorant people and how easily they believe the claims of others that something was a complete surprise to everyone. They often end up begging for help when things go wrong. Good riddance to bad rubbish. I always try to help those who try hard, but if someone makes their own noose then I won't cry when I see them hang.

You pretentious twat.
>> No. 1228 Anonymous
26th October 2010
Tuesday 5:17 pm
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>>1227
Seconded
>>1225
You are a fucking tool, and are in no way as deep a thinker as you believe you are.
>> No. 1229 Anonymous
27th October 2010
Wednesday 5:39 am
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>>1225

>Have a think about it.

I did, you knob end. Tell me exactly why a computer would be any use if there were no network to use it on, and no power grid?

Why not just kick back with a valve radio and laugh in the face of apocalypse?
>> No. 1230 Anonymous
28th October 2010
Thursday 2:57 am
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>>1227
>>1228

The tears of the shallow thinking untermensch. Can't think, so reacts like a child lashing out in a tantrum when they encounter anything other than soothing noises. Your tears wash off me like the proveribal duck's back. Fine examples of what a genetic dead-end is like. Nature is ready to prune your branches off when hell is unleashed.

>>1229

Like I said, if you can't puzzle out the issue to that extent I have no interest in helping you. I won't hold your hand and walk you through it. Good luck with the valve radio though. I will suggest a lemonade to go with that.
>> No. 1231 Anonymous
28th October 2010
Thursday 3:16 am
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>>1230

>I have absolutey no idea how to answer you so I'll just pretend I don't want to waste my time

Whatever lad. Keep on fighting the good fight. Maybe I'll add you on Facebook after the worlds power and networks are disabled completely.
>> No. 1232 Anonymous
28th October 2010
Thursday 3:21 pm
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>>1225 'Parroting' and 'baseless assumptions', eh? Who do you think you are? Take a good, long look at what you wrote. "It's amazing how many suprises happen to naive and ignorant people" like yourself, believing that by writing with good grammer it places you above other people. What is with your ceasless socratean tone? Can't your oversized brain concieve the idea that someone other than you could have a valid point about an idea?

Personally I agree with the person you are talking down to. According to the ideas presented in Nasa's 2008 report Severe Space Weather Events - Understanding Societal and Economic Impacts (http://www.nap.edu/catalog.php?record_id=12507),
If we look at the large solar flares that happened in 2003 (bearing in mind however, that they were still several degrees of magnitude less than what sunspot 1112 has the potential to produce) The biggest effect was seen in sweden, where precautionary measures were taken at a Nucelar Facility near Malmo, causing 50,000 people to lose power for 20 minutes. In essence, despite being the 4th Largest storms on the record since 1976, it had little effect on a national, let alone global scale. Another report, (www.swpc.noaa.gov/Services/SWstorms_assessment.pdf) also comments that "Electrical companies took considerable effort to prepare for and be aware of the storm onsets. Companies received the standard suite of geomagnetic storm watches, warnings and alerts, but SEC staff also supplemented standard support with several phone discussions." - these companies are hardly unprepared for the damage that can be caused by CME's, the report also noting that "Responses to warnings included reducing system load, disconnecting system components, and postponing maintenance." - In the case of large solar storms such as the one described in the original posters article, it is likely that there would be service outages, but absolute destruction of the whole system seems like an unlikely conclusion, at least in economies such as the U.K & U.S. where we have excellent programs such as NOAA on constant watch for solar activity.

You comment that "Precautions for the worst are the same as getting a fire extinguisher, first adi kit or insurance" - well we have the insurance, and we're also able to detect, hypothetically, when such a fire would happen with hours or days to prepare.

"People who expect others to do all the work and rescue them all the time while they do nothing almost deserve all the misery they get from such foolishness and laziness" – sounds awfully like someone who "Can't think, so reacts like a child lashing out in a tantrum when they encounter anything other than soothing noises.".

So just shut the fuck up, and read something before you post your apocalypse-fetish "I'm so fucking ready and you're not" bullshit socratean arguments about hypothetical scenarios you know nothing about.

On a side note you should all go and read the report I commented on first, it’s awfully interesting, and basically answers the OP’s question
>> No. 1233 Anonymous
28th October 2010
Thursday 4:43 pm
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>>1230

>Nature is ready to prune your branches off when hell is unleashed.

Lol.

Even if we do lose all power, how is 'hell unleashed'? What a silly twat you are.
>> No. 1234 Anonymous
28th October 2010
Thursday 11:01 pm
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I just hope I get enough forewarning so I can put my iPad in the microwave.
>> No. 1235 Anonymous
30th October 2010
Saturday 2:11 pm
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What an entertaining thread. Thanks to all concerned, including our new resident megalomaniac.
>> No. 1240 Anonymous
6th November 2010
Saturday 2:07 pm
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I am the man who woke up and stayed awake, in a world of sleepers. If you're awake, keep watch with me. If you're asleep, see to it you don't come here or you'll see only nightmares.
>> No. 1241 Anonymous
6th November 2010
Saturday 2:12 pm
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>>1233

>LOL! Someone said we should put toilet water on the crops! LOL! Brawndo's got what plants crave. It's got electrolytes.
>> No. 1243 Anonymous
10th November 2010
Wednesday 12:02 pm
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>> No. 1244 Anonymous
10th November 2010
Wednesday 12:39 pm
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>>1230

Has no-one else noticed that this is a troll? Or are you both in on it (ooh, conspiracy) and this whole thread is just trying to troll me, the poor third chap?

Codes within codes!
>> No. 1245 Anonymous
10th November 2010
Wednesday 1:52 pm
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>>1225 is right WAKE UP SHEEPLE
>> No. 1246 Anonymous
11th November 2010
Thursday 10:07 pm
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>>1241

Oh, the good old-fashioned 'no u' reaction. Ok.
>> No. 1257 Anonymous
29th November 2010
Monday 9:43 pm
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>>1224
It just needs a bigger Faraday cage - make sure there's enough room in it for your laptop, the national grid, the phone lines, the Internet... Oh, to hell with it, just get one that's about 13,000 km on each side - that ought to do. Damn, forgot about those pesky comms satellites in geo-synchronous orbit, best hold that order, go for a bigger model, 85,000 km on each side should be fine.
>> No. 1525 Anonymous
27th April 2011
Wednesday 10:22 am
1525 ITZ COMING
How the wheel turns:

http://www.helium.com/items/2144934-nasa-issues-warning-of-solar-superstorm-2012

Not trying to scare anybody, but here no less than NASA themselves openly admit that what I have said for the past while is a very legitimate concern. Considering it has been suggested by some people I should have been committed a long time ago for suggesting such things, this constitutes a pretty big paradigm shift in the world. Apparently, I am no longer "crazy" because of this.

It appears I am part of a tiny 1% of civilians in the world who understood the implications of the evidence over the past 400 years. I am pretty certain that NASA did not reach these conclusions this week but rather that they are absolving themselves of responsibility by issuing these press releases. They want to say later on "It's not like we didn't warn people. They just paid no attention."

I think people in high places reached the exact same conclusions I did around a decade ago. The people who work for government are no brighter than I am and they had the same kind of data to work with that I did. It was only in the early 90's that the first evidence of the black mats laid down at 11,500 year intervals (same time as coal formations) became available widespread on the internet.

I just want to add that there are a lot worse things that can happen from a solar storm hitting the earth's atmosphere when the magnetic shield is down than knocking out Playstations. There are a lot worse things than can happen than that. ITZ COMING.
>> No. 1526 Anonymous
27th April 2011
Wednesday 10:51 am
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>>1525

"We know it is coming"

-Dr Richard Fisher, the director of NASA's Heliophysics division

Superb. NASA SAYS ITZ COMING!!!
>> No. 1527 Anonymous
29th April 2011
Friday 8:54 am
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>>1525

It's pretty serious. Strange how everyone has an opinion and ready to hand it out before but when NASA and a professional heliophysist gives out the warning that supports it, suddenly everyone clams up. I guess it is hard to be so smug when NASA agrees with the guys you've been insulting.
>> No. 1528 Anonymous
2nd May 2011
Monday 11:36 pm
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>>1525
Do you know where I can find the original article or press release for this? I don't consider news websites to be the most reliable source.
>> No. 1529 Anonymous
3rd May 2011
Tuesday 12:40 am
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Assuming that ITZ really coming, how do you think post ITZ Britain will turn out?
>> No. 1530 Anonymous
3rd May 2011
Tuesday 12:56 am
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>>1525
>Among all the countries with exposure to the solar devastation, the United States is the most susceptible.

Well, Hollywood has been telling us that for years.
>> No. 1531 Anonymous
3rd May 2011
Tuesday 1:20 am
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>>1530

Well yeah but they have all sorts of handy ventilation shafts and secret tunnels between buildings - not to mention an abundance of bitter-but-eventually-reconciled experts/professors - which will give them an advantage.

France, meanwhile, is fucked.
>> No. 1547 Anonymous
13th May 2011
Friday 5:58 pm
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>>1222
>What's the worst that could happen?
Lots of electronics on e.g. ships and airplanes aswell as airports. Don't forget electrical trains which will be utterly useless. Those are three major logistical tools going utterly worthless.

Then quite a fucking lot of cars may stop working, aswell as anything that has to do with cooling stuff if you don't live in Nordland, and all the electronical equipment in hospitals.


Ergo, DEATH AND TERROR ABOUND.
>> No. 1548 Anonymous
13th May 2011
Friday 6:05 pm
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>>1547

It isn't just electronics, the electrical grid itself could be knocked out.
Once the electrical grid and communications is down, how do the authorities go about repairing it when they don't know what's needs to be repaired, and can't contact the people who can fix it, and the people who can fix it can't get the supplies and equipment to fix it with.

Daily life would be completely destroyed, the best we could hope for would be starting to get back to normal a year later, not starting to forget it a year later.
>> No. 1551 Anonymous
17th May 2011
Tuesday 5:18 pm
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>>1547

I could just ride around on my bicycle and grow tomatoes and contribute them to the shed which people will take what they need from and help to murder troublecausers. It will be a perfect communist paradise.
>> No. 1552 Anonymous
17th May 2011
Tuesday 5:42 pm
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>>1551

A perfect communist paradise which would inevitably degenerate into feudalism.
>> No. 1553 Anonymous
17th May 2011
Tuesday 6:03 pm
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>>1552
>perfect communist
No it wouldn't.
>> No. 1554 Anonymous
18th May 2011
Wednesday 11:56 pm
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>>1552

No it wouldn't.
>> No. 1555 Anonymous
19th May 2011
Thursday 9:01 am
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>>1554
Yes it would.

A perfect happy dreamworld where every works together and shares anything wouldn't last long.

People would find their way into positions of authority, either through greed or perceived necessity, or they would just climb a ladder one step at a time without even noticing.


It's happened all over the world. At some point every civilisation was people living in huts, growing and sharing food, the next step is always someone in charge of a group of people. Just look at the dark ages; civilisation collapsed, the monetary system and trade goes with it. eventually feudalism appeared.
You can't say that this wouldn't happen again just because we're a bit more educated now. Being educated just means that the normal pattern will be quicker.
>> No. 1556 Anonymous
19th May 2011
Thursday 9:12 am
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>>1555

>Just look at the dark ages; civilisation collapsed

You fucking what?
>> No. 1558 Anonymous
19th May 2011
Thursday 9:23 am
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>>1556

>Roman society collapse

>The breakdown of Roman society was dramatic. The patchwork of petty rulers was incapable of supporting the depth of civic infrastructure required to maintain libraries, public baths, arenas, and major educational institutions. Any new building was on a far smaller scale than before. The social effects of the fracture of the Roman state were manifold. Cities and merchants lost the economic benefits of safe conditions for trade and manufacture, and intellectual development suffered from the loss of a unified cultural and educational milieu of far-ranging connections.

>As it became unsafe to travel or carry goods over any distance, there was a collapse in trade and manufacture for export. The major industries that depended on long-distance trade, such as large-scale pottery manufacture, vanished almost overnight in places like Britain. Whereas sites like Tintagel in Cornwall (the extreme southwest of modern day England) had managed to obtain supplies of Mediterranean luxury goods well into the 6th century, this connection was now lost.

>Between the 5th and 8th centuries, new peoples and powerful individuals filled the political void left by Roman centralized government. Germanic tribes established regional hegemonies within the former boundaries of the Empire, creating divided, decentralized kingdoms like those of the Ostrogoths in Italy, the Suevi in Gallaecia, the Visigoths in Hispania, the Franks and Burgundians in Gaul and western Germany, the Angles and the Saxons in Britain, and the Vandals in North Africa.
>> No. 1559 Anonymous
19th May 2011
Thursday 9:32 am
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>>1558

Did you travel back to the 18th century for your education? The collapse of Rome hardly = the collapse of civilization. Go be antiquated Eurocentric somewhere else.
>> No. 1560 Anonymous
19th May 2011
Thursday 9:49 am
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>>1559

It isn't total collapse, but the collapse that would follow >>1547 wouldn't be total either.

Whether civilisation collapsed or not, it was still mostly a return to subsistence farming, and in turn the subsistence farming was taken over by feudal systems.
>> No. 1561 Anonymous
19th May 2011
Thursday 11:16 am
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My room is a fucking tip, I must be a Neanderthal!!
ITZ COMING! FOR REAL THIS TIME!!
>> No. 1562 Anonymous
19th May 2011
Thursday 3:44 pm
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>>1559

Seconding this.

The views are almost as antiquated as the period it speaks of.

Modern understanding shows that France, Britain and Ireland show industry and road building before Roman intervention. The mining and wealth was very likely one of the reasons for their invasions in the first place - people rarely spending money and armies trying to grab hold of nothing. There are archaelogical examples in Ireland of ancient roads that even go over bogs through clever large scale projects for those days. These people were far from mere subsistance farmers to be able to do these things.

Sadly much of old opinion on history was formed by Roman records and influence, which naturally was unfavourable towards everyone else and overlooked their accomplishments.
>> No. 1563 Anonymous
19th May 2011
Thursday 6:30 pm
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>>1555

It's the consensus of modern historians that the 'dark age' never existed. There is much evidence of education and civilisation during the so-called 'dark age'.
>> No. 1574 Anonymous
26th May 2011
Thursday 4:13 pm
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Hollywood propaganda - Anybody who builds a shelter or prepares for the future is a paranoid schizophrenic:

http://www.sonyclassics.com/takeshelter/

Just one example of how it can seem right now. I'll not spoil the plot or certain key interesting elements. Luke, I am your father.

Blew me away. I never knew this until Hollywood told me itz true. Televitz commentators will no doubt cluck their tongues and confirm itz all an extremely trueness factoid we should all memorize. It's possible some of the recently deceased residents of Joplin, Missouri might disagree right about the time they cleared the convection layer at 1500+ feet aboveground.

Actually, the genes that govern anxiety about the future and a desire to remain in a prepared state were introduced 38,000 years ago through interbreeding with Neanderthal females. They had gotten it from an R&D process of over a half million years, which neanderthals survived handily and dominated the planet by expressing such genes at all times. These same genes are linked to pessimism about the future, vigilance and distrust of strangers. There were probably millions of Neanderthals who didn't express these qualities in their makeup. They all died and the Neos who had these qualities survived. Pretty much settles that argument.

I'm always amused at the dry liberals who pretend to coyly psychoanalyze preppers like it is some form of mental illness:

http://www.livescience.com/14179-doomsday-psychology-21-judgment-day-apocalypse.html

Do you know what bug-eyed crazy really is? It's living in the year 2011 and not seeing anything wrong. These people will be pulling a two hundred man diversity gangbang train in their arseholes and still shaking their heads in irritation. "What, this? Sure, I guess you could see the downside here. That's the nature of confirmation bias." They'll be pulling a twelve hour shift as a man whore in a Red Chinese comfort camp set up by the U.N. and going "I think our nation is going through some important changes, of course. That's what makes every day interesting. For me it's just another opportunity to learn about myself."

This is why I know to keep packing rice and beans for ITZ.
>> No. 1586 Anonymous
31st May 2011
Tuesday 11:16 pm
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>> No. 1587 Anonymous
31st May 2011
Tuesday 11:26 pm
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>>1574
Stop wanking to your Neanderthal overlord FFS.
>> No. 1588 Anonymous
1st June 2011
Wednesday 11:32 am
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>>1586
>>1587

No rebuttal, simply howling and flinging poo like monkeys. You are incapable of anything more. Thinking and learning is beyond the manboons. Typical sapien reactions. This is why you will die off like grasshoppers come the winter.

As the Starks say - WINTER IS COMING
>> No. 1590 Anonymous
4th June 2011
Saturday 12:48 pm
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>>1587
>>1586

I am the man who woke up and stayed awake, in a world of sleepers. If you're awake, keep watch with me. If you're asleep, see to it you don't come here or you'll see only nightmares.
>> No. 1591 Anonymous
4th June 2011
Saturday 1:29 pm
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>>1590

Back to bed, lad.
>> No. 1617 Anonymous
9th June 2011
Thursday 7:02 pm
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>>1588

>No rebuttal, simply howling and flinging poo like monkeys.

Yes, well done. This is the point of that image and related posts like it. No rebuttal because your argument rebuts itself due to stupidity.
>> No. 1638 Anonymous
23rd June 2011
Thursday 4:09 am
1638 THE SOLAR ITZ
http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2011/22jun_swef2011/

>Modern power grids are vulnerable to solar storms.

>"A similar storm today might knock us for a loop," says Lika Guhathakurta, a solar physicist at NASA headquarters.

>In 1859 the worst-case scenario was a day or two without telegraph messages and a lot of puzzled sky watchers on tropical islands.

>In 2011 the situation would be more serious. An avalanche of blackouts carried across continents by long-distance power lines could last for weeks to months as engineers struggle to repair damaged transformers. Planes and ships couldn’t trust GPS units for navigation. Banking and financial networks might go offline, disrupting commerce in a way unique to the Information Age. According to a 2008 report from the National Academy of Sciences, a century-class solar storm could have the economic impact of 20 hurricane Katrinas.
>> No. 1692 Anonymous
29th July 2011
Friday 12:37 am
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Even if your "ITZ" doesn't come about because of solar it will come about another way. The oil is running out. Oil is the blood of the modern machine and we are using it up too fast and in wasteful ways. It doesn't seem all that serious, just to say it, but our "good usage" of fuel has been taken away. Hence the logic of the entire science & technology has been taken away. Logic has been stolen & sequestered from "good usage" Good usage of resources has been sequestered or stolen. No one else seems to notice. Planets are hollow not flat or solid. The physical logic says it has an inner surface with similar gravity & atmosphere. They feed outerworld technologies that control centrally.
>> No. 1693 Anonymous
29th July 2011
Friday 2:36 pm
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>>1692

We have this sequestration of technology occuring. We don't notice heat chucking because it has been normalized as a control and usage factor for maybe 95 or 100 years. Regular Gamers would likely not have the overall intelligence to assemble this. You might have some bright researcher in the physics of thermodynamics who could collude with gamers. but it could easily be an "innerworld" plan. Sorry, innerworld is not common knowledge so you have to figure it out yourself ; if your courageous.

Heat or energy recovery tech would allow for some small fraction of the total fuel used now to take the place of that "universally installed and enforce tech" There are these simple technologies that are simply banned, that would allow for the contiunance of electric power even if the major power infrrastructrue were torpedoed. We should know this shit, because, as things stand, we are slaves and victims of this enforced sequestraton of the science and associated technologies. Innerworlders.

If anyone wants me to try to explain the technical nature of heat capture i can do that (only because it's logical). It is like this "good usage" in "information" is like truth or the same as truth. I don't know why we use fuel the way we do other than for central control leading to disaster. People are intelligent enough to design or build the simplistic heat capture or energy recycling tech. It amount to not throwing away energy as heat.. That's all it is. Teenagers could figure it out.

Odd as i might sound, for something as large as "super heat chucking" to become part of our control structure, it has to be enforced, by some kind of "sequestered methodology" of legal and intimidation techniques. i don't believe we live in an "indepndent democracy" It's "uberkontrolled", but we don't know by whom exactly. Some leaders that are compulsive gamers and compulsivley deceptive with an addiction to power and money. Remember heat energy can escape but can't be destroyed.

i am either GD nutz, or i am correct. A simplist argument goes like this. Put a gallon of H2O on the stove. See how much energy it takes to warm it up or boil it. Transfer that logic or observation to 1K or 2K gallons of water that can be stored in and isulated water tank. It ends up being all the heat that would otherwise be cast off. Does anyone know why the comparable form of the steam engine disappeared for good one day? The other one is pneumatic storage of ready energy > power.

An insulated tankful of hot water could be dangerous, but could be kept very safe in a shed or a cement well. It is so tha;t it doesn't get a hole in it with hot water spilling out on a person or animal. One can save a great deal of heat energy in a water supply that is insulated. We don't use this because for some (yet to be known or explained reason we chuck heat from fossil fuel burning. This suggests uberkontroll by a central deceptive source or system. This is world wide control.
>> No. 1694 Anonymous
29th July 2011
Friday 3:43 pm
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>>1692

I agreed with you until

>Planets are hollow not flat or solid. The physical logic says it has an inner surface with similar gravity & atmosphere. They feed outerworld technologies that control centrally.
>> No. 1695 Anonymous
29th July 2011
Friday 3:49 pm
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>>1692
>>1693

You gave me a hearty chuckle, cheers lad.
>> No. 1696 Anonymous
29th July 2011
Friday 5:12 pm
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>>1693

So basically, we can solve all our energy problems by heating up water instead of burning fuel...
Okay, so how do we heat up the water?
>> No. 1697 Anonymous
29th July 2011
Friday 11:18 pm
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>>1696

Innerworlder detected.
>> No. 1698 Anonymous
30th July 2011
Saturday 8:08 pm
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>>1696

By putting pipes into volcanoes and running water through them.
>> No. 1703 Anonymous
2nd August 2011
Tuesday 5:32 pm
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>>1698

That you bunkerlad?
>> No. 1706 Anonymous
5th August 2011
Friday 4:12 am
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>>1703

I'm not the original bunkerlad but I am the one who tried to steal a hill but gave up because it was raining, the tale of which I documented in that thread (I think).

Why do you ask?
>> No. 1707 Anonymous
5th August 2011
Friday 8:32 am
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>>16967

Slaves?
>> No. 1726 Anonymous
9th August 2011
Tuesday 3:33 pm
1726 Controlled Release Of Information on 2012-2013
Release something slowly enough and you can boil the frog even while you happily admit to topping the pot up with water to his face.

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/194166/20110808/solar-storms-severe-solar-storms-earth-paralyse-carrington-event.htm

Whoa, slight shift in subject and content, just subtle enough to avoid much reaction whilst seemingly in a similar vein to prior press releases:

>The NOAA predicted four “extreme” solar emissions which could threaten the planet this decade. Similarly, NASA warned that a peak in the sun's magnetic energy cycle and the number of sun spots or flares around 2013 could enable extremely high radiation levels.

Okay, what do we mean by "extremely high radiation levels?" I thought this was about XBox and Playstation being open to possible damages that might not fall under warranty.

It's about plausible deniability. While they work on their own shelters, they release just enough information that they can claim innocence after the fact. After all, we did warn you people, those of you lucky enough to have survived on your own. If they said nothing at all, there could be severe recriminations later on. This way, they can have their cake and eat it too. We tried to tell you but we're not to blame if your basic reading comprehension skills were lacking.

This is what the Norway Seed Vault was built for and it is the reason they have been moving government critical records keeping and storage underground for more than fifteen years.

What most people don't keep watch on is not simply looking at the story now, but what it was and where it will be going to. This narrative has gone from denial to pretty lights to buying an extended warranty for your Wii to large scale or worldwide disasters to potential civillisation collapsing. All slowly leaked out with little changes in the story. They knew the real deal long ago. These little updates aren't news to them. The last version you hear will be even worse, as the radiation blasts your DNA into a cancerous mess, if you're lucky enough not to be fried like an egg.
>> No. 1727 Anonymous
9th August 2011
Tuesday 5:16 pm
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The riots should put a new light on this. Imagine what will be unleashed when these rioters are desperate for food and fuel or have an excuse if they are already stealing food and cleaning out fucking Poundland even now when there's no collapse or disaster whatsoever.
>> No. 1729 Anonymous
14th August 2011
Sunday 12:05 pm
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>>1727
>The riots should put a new light on this.

jog on m8.
>> No. 1733 Anonymous
16th August 2011
Tuesday 7:15 pm
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>>1729

Enjoy your death at the cannibal hordes.
>> No. 1742 Anonymous
19th August 2011
Friday 9:06 am
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Power cuts threat as sun storm hits earth:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-200952/Power-cuts-threat-sun-storm-hits-earth.html


Geomagnetic field flip-flops in a flash:

http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/62947/title/Geomagnetic_field_flip-flops_in_a_flash

What they thought took ages can be observed in real time.


Magnetic Portals Connect Earth to the Sun:

http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2008/30oct_ftes/

"Bursty" sudden connections of portals, unpredictable and unrealiable. No small, tame trickle for our sun and planet. ITZ can hit and turn this planet into a medieval backwater or a microwave.

Pole shifts and solar hell are on a knife edge and could easily be released at the same time. I've heard quite a bit about connections between the two. If the protective layer is hit and disrupted at the same time as the sun coughs out a big one...hope you listened when someone said PACK_YOUR_RICE.
>> No. 1788 Anonymous
6th October 2011
Thursday 7:44 pm
1788 MORE ON THE SOLAR ITZ
Batten the hatches, boys. It's going to be a wild ride:

http://www.solar-storm-warning.com/solar_storm_warning_NASA_2012_A_DOOZY_OF_A_STORM_IS_COMING_SCREEN_SHOT.html

Just when the people need them and the Sun is finally awakening from its slumber suddenly, NASA has two of its top experts on solar cycles either in prison or dead.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iNzAs4Zd7y899oN-3PcTpCW8iNYA?docId=801a7b2efe2f49acbf5fa42babcc473a

http://www.chron.com/news/article/Univ-of-Arizona-planet-expert-Michael-Drake-dies-2183631.php

Convenient. Now the average kwan has no chance at all.
>> No. 1789 Anonymous
6th October 2011
Thursday 8:03 pm
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>>1788

Small time for me. I have plans within plans. I've been preparing for years because I know what is coming. When the ship sinks you want to at least be near the lifeboats, even better if you long ago got ready to jump ship even before the ship was beached or smashed into an iceberg.

If just for a microsecond, you got the big picture the way I have it almost all the time, I can assure you that you would go to the garage, grab a shovel and head for your back garden. I guarantee it. If you ever realized just how dopey mankind is, you'd start work immediately on a shelter. Yet you always need to believe it some kind of pathology, when in fact it represents a form of lateral thinking you simply cannot do.

I'm in good company. You can't name a person in the 20th century with an IQ over 160 who didn't build a shelter. I dare you to name even one genius who didn't build one. If those people had known what the future was like, I can assure you they would have spent ten times as much money and a thousand times the effort to build'em bigger 'n better, too. Deep thinkers dig deep shelters. It's a fact. Heinlein, Dyson, Pauling ... the list would go around the moon.

I only mention the others because I know how important it is to primate brains like your own that there be a consensus to establish anything as legitimate. I didn't start work on my shelter for any of these reasons.

I expect a big sapien cull. It'll do the world a power of good. Others here are misguided and plan to save others. I will instead be locking the door to my shelter and laughing it up as the world burns.
>> No. 1791 Anonymous
7th October 2011
Friday 11:06 pm
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>>1789

>You can't name a person in the 20th century with an IQ over 160 who didn't build a shelter. I dare you to name even one genius who didn't build one.

Albert Einstein. Steven Hawking. Hugh Everett.
>> No. 1792 Anonymous
7th October 2011
Friday 11:38 pm
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>>1791

Genius, it says, not liar and fraudster.
>> No. 1793 Anonymous
7th October 2011
Friday 11:43 pm
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>>1789

You're losing it mate.
>> No. 1794 Anonymous
9th October 2011
Sunday 11:50 pm
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>>1792

Oh dear.
>> No. 1798 Anonymous
10th October 2011
Monday 4:07 am
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>>1794
>>1793

I wouldn't expect mere sapiens to understand such things or have the ability to absorb the facts and truths around them. It's natural for them to always dismiss everything no matter how self evident it is.

If only you had been lucky enough to get a dose of neanderthal DNA in your family tree and held on to it. Maybe then you'd be able to understand. Sadly it seems you're genetically engineered not to understand. The sad remenents of a genocide and a weapon unleashed. Brains designed to chuck spears, rape and kill can only do so much, especially without that neo-hybrid magic.
>> No. 1809 Anonymous
25th October 2011
Tuesday 11:20 pm
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I asked an electrical engineer about this a while back, he said it was mostly bollocks.
Small devices like computers and mobile telephones may stop working, but most important stuff is adequately protected to start with anyway, especially power stations and the like, which have to deal with the possibility of enormous power surges anyway.
The financial apocalypse stuff is garbage as well, all the appropriate bits of financial institutions are shielded, a lot back everything up in underground bunkers or hardened facilities. Vehicles are unlikely to be affected worse than losing the ignition system until a fuse is replaces, if that.
A lot of the fearmongering is based on a couple of nuclear tests from the middle of the cold war and some telegraph machines catching fire in the 19th century. Worst case scenario, lights go out for a few minutes.

If what a lot of stuff said in the thread was true, every time we had a power cut it'd look like a mad max convention outside.
>> No. 1811 Anonymous
26th October 2011
Wednesday 3:35 pm
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>>1809

>A few telegraph machines.

No, the had to replace the a lot of fried cables in the Telegraph network in the US and in Europe. Anything not properly insulated will experience extreme power surges, but you're right; this is being blown entirely out of proportion.
>> No. 1812 Anonymous
26th October 2011
Wednesday 8:53 pm
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>>1809

A sparky or electrical engineer isn't going to be an expert on this, or any kind of normal engineer. It's not in his or her area of expertise, people had to specialise and research these things specifically to learn about it over decades. Unless he's specialising in this particular field and spending a long time reading up on these things then he's pulling answers out of his arse. Which he almost certainly is because his answers were clearly total crap and full of baseless assumptions without anything to back them up. None of this has anything to do with his normal work and field.

This is not being blown out of proportion. You only need to look at the chaos and breakdown with something like power outages, floods, earthquakes, fuel shortages, etc. and then imagine it on a global scale to see what kind of mess there would be.

There's good reasons that the cold war had millions and billions of research (on all sides of the tension) related to this and EMP weapons and threats are made. Do you think they spend millions on a bomb that does nothing but upsets your app store download a bit or upsets your TV schedule? They've used small scale devices in Iraq during the invasion to great effect - blew out their grid for years. The larger the scale, the harder it would be to sort out and the bigger the catastrophe and toll on the public. The more dependent on computer systems, the worse it would be. Good luck trying to manage all the supermarkets, delievery systems, etc. with no electronic communications or phone lines. Within a week the supermarket will be empty and people desperate for food.

The only reason you'd see this as not a problem is if you were too short sighted and lacked the ability to think of all the consequences and connections involved. This is the problem. People say "I don't see anything to worry about" but they are using no light or the dimmest of lights to see forward instead of putting on the floodlights needed for the task at hand.

I have to smile at the beliefs that the governments and all corporations and businesses will somehow be competent and prescient enough to prevent any problems from this. This kind of baseless blind faith is normally only seen in god botherers. You're ideal material for the Church with that nature. These people are barely able to run a lemonade stand without it bursting into flames and you're expecting miracles from them? Oh wow. All you need to do is be a little careful and look out for neighbours during the downtime rebuild. That's what I do and hopefully people will be okay in my immediate area.

There will be disasters, because people won't prepare for it and will be totally ignorant and then suffer for it or have faith that some magical sky hand (be it god or government) will somehow save them - and then suffer for it. The best off people will ironically be the people that are looked down upon now. The "backwards" Africans and Abbos and native tribes around the world will tick on like nothing has happened and wonder why they don't see so many of them nosey white folk around any more.

Some hardened military and government equipment and facilities will of course be completely uneffected and that is a good thing if the public can benefit from it, but that will be small comfort when all the things you rely on and that makes your life comfortable - all the civillian and consumer part of life - goes POOF! Most things are not hardened for EMP attacks (or the natural counterparts).

When it does happen it will be the equivalent of a super-scale natural disaster. Not world ending, but really bad for your normal life. Make people think economic upsets are no sweat at all.
>> No. 1813 Anonymous
27th October 2011
Thursday 10:05 am
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>>1812
>mental wall of text
>> No. 1814 Anonymous
27th October 2011
Thursday 11:06 am
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>>1812
Wait, you're claiming that an electrical engineer isn't going to know anything about induced electrical currents and their effects on electrical components and systems?

You're a smug, condescending idiot and you don't know what you're talking about.
>> No. 1939 Anonymous
21st January 2012
Saturday 12:04 pm
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>>1813

ROBOTJOX BITCHES! <3
>> No. 1941 Anonymous
21st January 2012
Saturday 1:43 pm
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>>1814

No, he's realistic and actually knows what he's talking about in this area. You, however, are a dribbling moron who has no idea what you are talking about and worse still thinks you know what everyone else does. You are everything to try to claim he is and worse.

If you want to know about a specialist area, you ask an expert. You do not ask someone who has had nothing to do with it in their lifetime. There are groups who have specialised in researching these things for years. They don't just bumble along and ask any old student. Their life experience and learning is rather more domestic and not nearly relevant enough.

I can imagine you as a student. The type in his second year who thinks he is an expert now and knows everything and so must be treated with "respect" for it. All too common an attitude. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing indeed. It can make small people like you believe they have only a little more to learn about the world.
>> No. 1944 Anonymous
21st January 2012
Saturday 2:22 pm
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>>1941
Maybe he's not a student though.

Maybe he's not a learning animal at all, eh?
>> No. 1945 Anonymous
21st January 2012
Saturday 2:40 pm
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>>1941

Wait, are you saying that >>1812 is "realistic and knows what he's talking about in this area"? Aside from the very obvious samechap, absolutely not lad.

Also just a point of information: Somewhere in the seven-paragraph lunacy of >>1812 he mentions EMP weapons. The most effective EMP weapon is a nuclear device detonated at altitude, so EMP weapons themselves are no use.

We have a large solar storm heading our way today if anybody's interested. It's not going to be the apocalypse but there's a real possibility that mobile phones will stutter and radio signals will increase or decrease in range. The last time something like this happened, people could pick up random radio stations from different continents for a day or so.

There'll be an increased aurora if you're somewhere close by. The technical term is "coronal mass ejection". It's not rude.
>> No. 1946 Anonymous
21st January 2012
Saturday 2:43 pm
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>>1945
I suppose next up is "I'd eject my corona into her mass, IYKWIM"
>> No. 1998 Anonymous
20th February 2012
Monday 12:06 pm
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>>1941
>If you want to know about a specialist area, you ask an expert.

Exactly. So if you want to know about the effects of induced electrical currents, you ask an electrical engineer, or someone who bases their knowledge on something more than a post from above top secret.
Or you could go along with someone like >>1812, who has nothing to add apart from a smug, screaming, frothing rant about the end of the world and how we're all going to die because we're not as clever as him, and fails to address a single point, instead choosing to claim that electricians and electrical engineers don't know anything about electricity.
>>1814 still stands
>You're a smug, condescending idiot and you don't know what you're talking about.
>> No. 1999 Anonymous
20th February 2012
Monday 1:28 pm
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>>1945

I agree that >>1812 is somewhat of a raving lunatic, but >>1809 is still stupid to dismiss it all as a load of bollocks. The worst case scenario is not that "the lights go out for a few minutes", it is a worldwide period of chronic blackouts and brownouts, potentially continuing for months.

Power stations themselves are reasonably well protected, but most of the infrastructure is still very old and suffering from poor investment, and even if it was all replaced now research in the area is still ongoing and there is no perfect protection against it. In a mild storm what will happen is that no physically damage would occur, but the useful capacity of the grid will be decreased significantly due to reactive power, which would only cause problems during certain times of the day when demand is high. In a moderate storm, what will happen is that the grid will have to be turned off for the duration, and then it can't simply be switched back on straight after. A severe storm may not happen, or may just happen once, but it could cause a lot of damage to the infrastructure which could be fixed in a matter of weeks, but with our government it would likely take months to get back to full capacity.

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