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>> No. 29619 Anonymous
7th May 2020
Thursday 8:24 pm
29619 Last of a dying breed?
ladm9s and lassm8s

I've always tried to live my life as a good person. I had a decent upbringing, I have a clear moral compass and I've always tried to treat others the way I'd like to be treated.

I've never EVER treated anyone differently based on their race, religion, gender or sexual orientation, and always believed in equal rights. I've also never assumed any superiority or that I have extra privilege because I'm a white male. I had to work my socks off at school, had to turn up for work and actually do my job well, etc.

HOWEVER

I find that in recent years,I feel as if I am automatically viewed as a problem just because I'm a white male. I feel like white males have become 'the enemy' and a very bad thing, and that really annoys me. As a knock - on effect, I am getting very apathetic towards feminism, LGBT+ (whom I now find myself referring to as 'the Alphabet crowd') issues etc, and just getting sick of them every time I see something like, for example, the recent furore surrounding The Last of Us 2, or any kind of media where the 'woke' agenda is very obviously being pushed at the expense of what is actually best for said media. I've gone from being totally fine and supportive with these issues/causes to borderline hating them because it feels like their progression is ultimately going to eradicate or severely marginalise white males. I'm getting particularly sick of transgenders and their bullshit being entertained as something other than what it is - mental illness that should be properly, medically treated.

I'd be interested in hearing some thoughts on this. Does my feeling like this make me a bad person? Anyone else feel the same way?

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>> No. 29620 Anonymous
7th May 2020
Thursday 8:38 pm
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>> No. 29621 Anonymous
7th May 2020
Thursday 8:40 pm
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>for example, the recent furore surrounding The Last of Us 2

This has completely passed me by. I think the reason for your mindset is simple: too much Internet. It's very rare to encounter people like this in the flesh, especially after leaving university.
>> No. 29622 Anonymous
7th May 2020
Thursday 8:47 pm
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>>29621
Exactly this. Where are you spending your time online, OP?
>> No. 29623 Anonymous
7th May 2020
Thursday 9:29 pm
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Didn't even know The Last of Us was getting a sequel.
>> No. 29624 Anonymous
7th May 2020
Thursday 9:32 pm
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Oh I've actually taken the trouble to read the OP now. This is a troll lads - "ultimately going to eradicate or severely marginalise white males" indeed.
>> No. 29625 Anonymous
7th May 2020
Thursday 10:01 pm
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>> No. 29626 Anonymous
7th May 2020
Thursday 10:27 pm
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>>29621 has overwhelmingly been my experience.

It's very, very easy to confuse the brainworms of social media and internet ideologies with the real world, and then carry them over without realising - especially so when you spend a lot of your time being bombarded by them on other chans.

There is an undeniable agenda being pushed by some group or another. Whether this is simply taking advantage of a natural phenomenon during 'late stage capitalism' (or some shit) or a full psyop, I couldn't say. The most important thing to remember is that it only has as much power as the energy people put into it. That includes both parties for and against - it's the two surfaces which cause friction.

As brits, I think our best response is sensibility. Always remember that American culture isn't our own, and seek to strengthen the difference where ever possible. Go out and see if this is actually

Ofcourse I won't deny your experience, OP. Go ahead if there's anything you'd like to elaborate on. I'm sure we can talk about it as mannered fellows.
>> No. 29627 Anonymous
7th May 2020
Thursday 11:01 pm
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>>29626
>Go out and see if this is actually
* Go out and see if this is actually happening on our streets, with our people. If you notice anything ask yourself if it's as bad as you may have been lead to believe, or if people are just doing their thing. Unless you're unlucky and have encountered someone well and truely shoulders deep into a reality tunnel, you'll probably find most people hold rather mild opinions that are readily discarded anyway.
>> No. 29628 Anonymous
8th May 2020
Friday 12:42 am
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>>29621>>29626

I've encountered a lot of it in real life but only in the last 5 years maybe has it become more than a handful of bonkers academics, I accept that I've always lived somewhere on the fringes of normal society though.


There are 2 key components I see. The first is it is like a underlying bit of code switched on in peoples brains and they realised they could now get away with dismissing opinions off hand based on race and sex, people who I assumed we were on the same side as me philosophically revealed themselves to have been secret arseholes. The kind who say they believe in concepts like freedom of speech but actually don't. People who are all fucking ugly on the inside seem to have a tool where they can both be bullies and righteous. The best way I can describe it in general terms is these people were always close minded bigots but there is a society widea fallacy that because people are in a fringe group they can't be close minded bigots.

The second is I feel like the myths of society is being rewritten as I watch, and I'm not sold on the new ones. And by myths what I mean is those values for which we have no scientific basis for but are just accepted. It is hard to explain to people who are too young to have never experienced because zeightguiest is almost a collective madness. The best I can point to in the past in my lifetime is the acceptance of homosexuality I can not stress how taboo it was only 25 years ago and now it is so normalised it isn't even interesting. Comedy used to be built off of tension of a man falling in love with a woman in disguise as a man. Modern society or at least the part I frequent seems to have come to the sudden baseless revelation that gender is purely a social construct but also super important and biological sex is irrelevant, to a point that I feel like I am a heretic for disagreeing. It doesn't even matter if I am wrong what matters is that the idea has suddenly become so adopted that people are going to get so offended if I speak my truth that I feel like I have to be in the closest about my scientific realism.
>> No. 29629 Anonymous
8th May 2020
Friday 2:35 am
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>>29628
It's mindblowing how many things in this post I find self-contradictory, delusional, or just plain incorrect.
>> No. 29630 Anonymous
8th May 2020
Friday 2:59 am
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>>29629

I know you think you are contributing to a discussion but when you make vague statements like that, that you don't even attempt to justify you might as well have not said anything.
>> No. 29631 Anonymous
8th May 2020
Friday 3:35 am
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>>29628

>People who are all fucking ugly on the inside seem to have a tool where they can both be bullies and righteous. The best way I can describe it in general terms is these people were always close minded bigots but there is a society widea fallacy that because people are in a fringe group they can't be close minded bigots.

I know exactly where you're coming from here. I think it's important to keep in mind that hypocritical, self-contradictory bullies have always found a group they can nestle themselves into, it's just one of those things that has always been, and always will be. This is just the modern, contemporary incarnation of the phenomenon. What we have seen over recent years (in a very abstract, meta-social and very online sense) is abusers learn how to twist the narrative of victimhood into their shield.

At work, we've got a woman who is renowned for being a bully. It all came to a head a couple of years ago, and in the end all that happened is she got sent on an anti-bullying course. So of course, she's still the workplace bully- But she now knows how to best make it look like she's the one being bullied, and she's all the worse because of it.

>Modern society or at least the part I frequent seems to have come to the sudden baseless revelation that gender is purely a social construct but also super important and biological sex is irrelevant, to a point that I feel like I am a heretic for disagreeing

In this case there's no concrete scientific consensus either way, so the best you can settle for is being the heretic that disagrees with the new orthodoxy. If you claim to be as much of a rationalist as you are, you can't claim to be any more certain it's all bollocks, than they are it's all correct. Sorry m8.

If you don't fit in with the crowd, simply move elsewhere. You'll never persuade them to look at things any differently, and what's more, I find that most of these types of people are unwilling to overlook other peope's beliefs either. As far as they're concerned, you're very much either with them or against them, so don't waste your time trying to peacefully co-exist.

I used to be reasonably involved in my town's kink scene, but amongst other reasons, their increadingly rad-lib political dogmatism put me off. Now, I should point out that I'm a pretty hardcore socialist, not a conservative in any way. But that's just not what's cool these days, it's all about the rainbow flag, not the hammer and sickle. I might think of myself as "on their side" but they're not even looking at things from the same spatial dimension.

Here's the thing. What today's identity politics crowd don't realise, is that one day it'll all move on again, and they too will be left behind. They'll find themselves getting cancelled, just like yesteryear's celebrated fisherpersons who are now finding themselves reframed as the villainous TERFS. And people like you and me will be able to shake our heads and say, "We did try to warn you."
>> No. 29632 Anonymous
8th May 2020
Friday 3:58 am
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>>29628
>zeightguiest

(A good day to you Sir!)
>> No. 29633 Anonymous
8th May 2020
Friday 9:35 am
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>>29632

Pretty sure you banned the wrong cunt there, drunkmod. Surely being unable to spell ranks over shitty image posting on the ban table? If not, then I do apologise and humbly petition the greater council of mods to re-evaluate their ban table.

(A good day to you Sir!)
>> No. 29634 Anonymous
8th May 2020
Friday 11:35 am
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>>29631
>At work, we've got a woman who is renowned for being a bully. It all came to a head a couple of years ago, and in the end all that happened is she got sent on an anti-bullying course. So of course, she's still the workplace bully- But she now knows how to best make it look like she's the one being bullied, and she's all the worse because of it.

That sounds like hell.


>If you claim to be as much of a rationalist as you are, you can't claim to be any more certain it's all bollocks, than they are it's all correct.

I agree. The same way I have no scientific basis for believing 'we are all equal'. If you actually deconstructed the statement that people are equally, or should be equal it is ultimately a myth I tell myself with no scientific basis. The thing is it is a myth that I've never seen society without, whereas this is a new one being created as I watch, and that's a odd thing to observe.

What makes it weirder is it is by and large the same people who 10 years ago spent all their time attacking religion as a myth are building the new one.

>I used to be reasonably involved in my town's kink scene

As soon as you started that statement I knew where the paragraph this was going because it is my experience too. It is such a collective obsession and just not very important to me that I feel like I can't talk to these people anymore.
>> No. 29635 Anonymous
8th May 2020
Friday 1:06 pm
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>>29634

>What makes it weirder is it is by and large the same people who 10 years ago spent all their time attacking religion as a myth are building the new one.

What should be telling is how the criticism of religion fell out of fashion directly coinciding with the rise of the edgy fedora stereotype, and its association with both atheism and the alt right. It really is just young people trying to be contrarian as they always have done, and in large part it's not something to worry about offline.

I think we will see an eventual decline, you can already feel a sense of frustration at these types and their irrelevance in the face of a world where we very definitely have bigger fish to fry. Give it ten years and it'll be an old meme.

Spend less time on the Internet, most definitely less time on 4chan or Reddit, and try not to worry about it.
>> No. 29637 Anonymous
8th May 2020
Friday 2:31 pm
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>>29635

>Spend less time on the Internet, most definitely less time on 4chan or Reddit, and try not to worry about it.

The problem is I move in circles when this sort of bollocks happens in real life, they have been co-opted by these weird agendas. The first I alluded to, which is the kink scene most people would expect that.
The other one is I'm currently on the committee for a convention and the community itself seems to want to tear it down with cheap shots about things that are 'phlegmatic' that make the work infinitely harder and they seem to want a leviathan to dictate and control every social encounter of their lives to make sure it is a safe space. Honestly it overshadows the actual work in its difficulty to handle. There is no possible way to appease them without a significant quality drop and doubling the work load and nothing will be good enough for them anyway so I wonder why we even try.
>> No. 29638 Anonymous
8th May 2020
Friday 3:04 pm
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>>29625
Exactly. I have treated people differently based on their race but the notion that straight white males are going to be eradicated is a load of bollocks.

Remember the day of the general election last year. An hour before polling closed the likes of Owen Jones and Ash Sarkar were crowing how the Tories were seriously rattled and Boris Johnson was rumoured to have lost his seat. This is what happens when you get too wrapped up within a bubble; you start losing touch with reality and believing your views are commonly held. Many saw Jeremy Corbyn as a manifestation of this happy-clappy, namby-pamby nonsense and he was widely rejected by the electorate; you could even say the result was a backlash against it by the silent majority.

These are fringe nutters who have been given a platform, which gives them a false sense of legitimacy. Meanwhile, most people just get on with their lives and ignore them.
>> No. 29639 Anonymous
8th May 2020
Friday 3:36 pm
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>>29638
>Meanwhile, most people just get on with their lives and ignore them.

Agreed, this just seems similar to all the other mental rantings of people with far too much time on their hands, like that whole "jews control the media" thing and all that bollocks.
>> No. 29641 Anonymous
8th May 2020
Friday 4:27 pm
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>>29637

Leave them to it. Let they/them have their own way and in a couple of years it'll be a dead convention. Remember how quickly the gaming press dropped their brief flirtations with the woke agenda as soon as they realised it was killing their market faster than you can say "youtube is making the gaming press obsolete"?

Like I already said, if you're in with the wrong crowd there's little to be done other than find a new crowd.
>> No. 29642 Anonymous
8th May 2020
Friday 4:51 pm
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Moving on is hard.
>> No. 29643 Anonymous
8th May 2020
Friday 5:15 pm
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Remember when the news broke years ago that Steve Bannon was targetting chronic masturbators and using gender and social politics to increase their anger and further divide people into groups of enemies? I'm not surprised I see this shit more often anymore. You've been used.
>> No. 29644 Anonymous
8th May 2020
Friday 5:16 pm
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>>29643
Ha, how was I unaware of that filter?
>> No. 29646 Anonymous
8th May 2020
Friday 5:53 pm
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>>29641
> Let they/them have their own way and in a couple of years it'll be a dead convention.

You are telling me not to struggle and just to lie down and take it.
It is easy to say that when you don't have any investment in institutions and making the world better.

>>29643
>Remember when the news broke years ago that Steve Bannon was targetting chronic masturbators and using gender and social politics to increase their anger and further divide people into groups of enemies? I'm not surprised I see this shit more often anymore.

no shit

>You've been used.
WAKE UP SHEEPLE


It would be nice if this was entitely made up bollocks, but I don't need to get my news from the alt right to see it, in fact I never have got it from there. I get plenty of it fed to me by the people who are in favour of it.

You don't have to have some fever dream of white male genocide to feel like it shits things up. Not everyone who is concerned about the new politics has been reading too much shitty fake news.
>> No. 29647 Anonymous
8th May 2020
Friday 6:31 pm
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Anyone who gives this much of a shit about skin colour is not worth talking to.
>> No. 29648 Anonymous
8th May 2020
Friday 7:09 pm
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>>29646

>You are telling me not to struggle and just to lie down and take it.

I'm telling you to pick your battles m8, and this particular battle is pretty much akin to the first day of the Somme as far as your chances are concerned.
>> No. 29649 Anonymous
8th May 2020
Friday 7:09 pm
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>>29646
Can you provide examples of how they're ruining the convention?
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8th May 2020
Friday 7:53 pm
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If you feel like you're being attacked for shit you're saying or doing then maybe the shit you're saying and doing is the problem not that you're a white lad, you fucking spanner. But you literally don't care about any of this and are convinced you can "sissify" all of .gs and have us posting whatever shit memes the other place's /pol/ board has filled your head with by month's end. Why is this even in /emo/? The stupid shit OP is moaning about computer games, not staring down the barrel of a breakdown or wading through a messy break up.

>>29646
>You don't have to have some fever dream of white male genocide

Meanwhile in the OP; "their progression is ultimately going to eradicate or severely marginalise white males".

I don't know if you're the OP, but if you aren't then you're being willfully ignorant of what the OP is and what it's here to do. Three clicks on any social media site on the planet and you can be up to your nuts in far-right psychopathy, can you fuck off and leave .gs alone already? Apparently not seeing as you or someone just like you has already been banned three times but still hasn't taken the hint.
>> No. 29652 Anonymous
8th May 2020
Friday 8:08 pm
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>>29649

The most tangible recent thing has been a campaign against one of the guest of honour. A group have decided they don't like him, and have taken to social media to smear him for sexual harassment at past conventions to get him removed as a guest of honour.

When you dig into these claims, they aren't substantiated at all, nothing more than an awkward conversation, spiced up through equivocation and innuendo, but we need to investigate and handle these complaints properly and seriously in case there is validity, nothing would be worse than to dismiss these accusations off hand for our reputation.

Some of the people who have complained would have been in a position to bring the hammer down in the past had his behaviour warranted removal from the convention. They don't want him banned they have just decided they don't like him as guest of honour and are playing the #metoo card, making our job more difficult.


The most common example I can give you of shitting on the convention is the kind of thing you would imagine if you let the inmates run the asylum, the guests might very well be the best in their field or only guests we could get, or the ones who volunteered, but they are not black lesbian enough and they feel we are complicit in that bad behaviour and that goes double for those bastards who buy tickets and attend.


One year the power was foght by changing the labling on the toilets to not mention gender.
>> No. 29653 Anonymous
8th May 2020
Friday 8:24 pm
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Why is this thread still going? It should be on /pol/ not /emo/. If someone is having social anxiety from being a bigot you don't console them.
>> No. 29654 Anonymous
8th May 2020
Friday 10:05 pm
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>>29653
>>29651

Listen here you dull witted fucking cretin. If there's one way to entrench and re-affirm these kinds of views, and set an individual on their path towards radicalisation, it's jumping down their throat like this every time they try and question or discuss the feelings they're having. Will you absolute limp dicks ever learn your lesson?

You. Are. Not. Helping.
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8th May 2020
Friday 10:11 pm
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>>29652
I think what you've got to remember is that these people are headcases who feed off attention. Before #metoo and gender neutral toilets became du jour these people would have found something else to create drama around. I've known these type of people well and the issue more is their personality rather than what the current trends are.
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8th May 2020
Friday 10:28 pm
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>>29654
>You. Are. Not. Helping.
I. Don't. Care. You. Soft. Git.

It's not my job to deradicalise every slimy /pol/fag trying to drop TRUTH BOMBS wherever they pop up, do I look like fucking Contrapoints? These people don't want to talk and they don't want to be helped. You call me a "limp dick" while you sit there trying to be Mr Understanding to a bloke who wants to start a race war and lynch anyone who disagrees. My dick works just fine but on current evidence your brain's mush.

I'm sorry you got into an argument on Twitter with someone leftwing, but just as politically illiterate as you, OP, but if you fill your noggin with shit then it tends to colour your outlook.
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8th May 2020
Friday 11:10 pm
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>>29656

Mate, you're the one paranoid our humble board is being invaded by nefarious /pol/acks from the other place, and you're hilariously unaware of the irony how they are your very own bogeymen, just like the OP's conspiracy of black lesbian trans subversives.
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8th May 2020
Friday 11:14 pm
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>>29651

>I don't know if you're the OP, but if you aren't then you're being willfully ignorant of what the OP is and what it's here to do.

Not at all. I just think there is a proper discussion to be had here and there won't be as long as the extremes are the only ones allowed to draw the battle lines. You can see what I am doing as co-opting the discussion if you like to reframe the argument so that it isn't the dichotomy that the most vocal camps would like to present it as. which indirectly robs OP of its power even as I am agreeing with parts of it. it does not follow A therefore B.

Conversely there is nothing the groups OP mentioned would like more than to paint those who are critical of them as purely dangerous, violent and hateful. So by making the point that I'm not I'm robbing them of their strength too.

I tend to see the 'any gender you like' view as a cry of someone who has become so unable to achieve a satisfactory level of actualisation in modern society that they want to fight about a label as if it was the thing that defined them, I think it is tragic in anyone past puberty. But it doesn't mean I hate them or am intolerant of them any more than a physician is intolerant of a sick person, but that is how people will try frame it.

The academic logic behind the current post-modernist politics is to abolish prejudice by robbing labels of their power by making them over numerous and fluid, the way I see it it is much better to treat them as irreverent and all you are doing with the first in my opinion is opening up the doors to new prejudices, pic related.

>>29655

I don't think you are wrong. But they have been empowered by the current culture that is more receptive to their kind of abuse of institutions than before.
>> No. 29659 Anonymous
8th May 2020
Friday 11:15 pm
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>>29656

N1 m8, alt right won't know wot hit it
>> No. 29660 Anonymous
8th May 2020
Friday 11:24 pm
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>>29658

>The academic logic behind the current post-modernist politics is to abolish prejudice by robbing labels of their power by making them over numerous and fluid

You'd be quite wrong, that's what they say the intention is of course, but everything about their discourse and action reveals a completely essentialist worldview where in fact labels are more important than anything else. Here's perhaps the best left wing take I've read on the matter:

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/exiting-vampire-castle/
>> No. 29661 Anonymous
9th May 2020
Saturday 7:11 pm
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>>29657
You would be surprised how pervasive these things have been since 2016, mate.
>> No. 29775 Anonymous
12th June 2020
Friday 9:57 am
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/pol/ philosophy (the part of it that isnt just larping or venting) and alt-right sentiment is a natural resistance to what OP is describing. If you can't recogise the rise of radical leftism in our society, you're not paying attention.

Best thing to do is just ignore it, though. That goes for (you) >>29656 too lad, if you don't like what you deem to be the rise of radical right-wingism, twisting your knickers into a knot over it won't help. Just ignore it.

These things ebb and flow.
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12th June 2020
Friday 1:48 pm
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>>29775
>Best thing to do is just ignore it

It isn't though.

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