No. 31414Anonymous 10th January 2022 Monday 2:52 pm31414people felt this needed it's own thread so...
It has taken a lifetime of cruelty that I have bared with a grin to reach this point. But I fucking hate women.
I hate them because a narcissist delusion that they are always the victim and hard done by even when they are sickly spoilt, they aren't hard done by at all they are entitled. You know when you see someone who is used to getting their own way doesn't get their own way and they throw a tantrum, that's women, that's the entire modern fisherperson movement.
They have no concept of how minor their problems are, or that men can be treated like a level of human garbage that no one else will stick up for and expected to unfuck themselves, only to have women tell them the entire time how privileged they are and how we should all feel guilty that they have imagined they are fat by choosing to read beauty magazines. This is not some hypothetical extremes either this is real world situations I have been in.
You know why women make less than men. It is because the men who were making less were either driven to suicide (at a rate that if it was women would be seen as proof of sexual inequality but because it is men it doesn't count) or aren't counted because they are homeless and therefore unemployed ( again at a rate that would be considered definitive proof of sexual inequality if it was women), one pretty women gets murdered by one copper and middle England loses their collective minds. The suffering of men as victims of the majority of crimes is normalised and is irrelevant, an isolated incident for a woman is worthy of mass protest.
Women don't take the initiative to do the hard graft, they can fucking complain, but you don't see them changing jobs to work as petroleum engineers to get higher pay do you, no they want everything to change for them rather than to change the one thing they have control over? Why because if they tried make the change they would have to accept some responsibility for their failures, the way men have to.
The game is simple women are the victims even when they demonstrably aren't, domestic violence, a problem women preach how they are at danger of constantly and blah blah blah, in reality biggest domestic abusers... fucking women, safest relationship is a gay one. Most dangerous lesbian, they evidently can't control their natural feminine instincts for violence. And there is a vast list of situations that Women are objectively in a better status than men, but they don't count because they violate the mantra. Women are the victims of society isn't a point based On evidence it is an article of faith and no evidence to the contrary could ever change it. It wouldn't matter if women out performances men in every measurable sense in our societypeople would still be preaching women are the victims.
It is the equivalent of nazi Germany externalizing all of their problems and playing victim to a minority, even when they had the control and power, women run the world, or close enough at this point but spend all their time chasing shadows of imagined boggy men, they can blame for their failures. I can't play the game again it sickens me every time a man humours them and invalidates his own struggle just to try get laid. Men appealing to women's insecurities seems like a poison the women never learns to stop being self indulgent, and the man never acknowledges his own pain.
We do this to our fucking selves there is no toxic masculinity there is just an inability to talk about mens problems because women can't stand the idea they are fuck ups so we aren't allowed to talk about how men are shat upon. Because men aren't allowed their own space and men doing worse than women is considered 'problem solved'. We condition women to feel like they are hard done by even when they aren't. You want true equality start letting women fail the way men do and watch how they suddenly fall in line and stop complaining and start appreciating the value of what they have. Of course there are other mechanisms here society actually wants women to be needy narcists because needy women buy more shit. The consumer market seems driven by women buying clothes and children impulse buying shiny crap.
I hope this isn't deleted, because while I don't agree with everything you say, you also raise totally valid points -- and maybe airing this sort of unpopular opinion anonymously can give you the chance to feel better about it or change your view on some things.
I can't address everything you mention at the moment, but I will say you're absolutely right about double standards regarding life expectancy, rates of violent crime, suicide rates, and in many places also income. I'd never actually considered before that people with no income may not show up in the statistics. There are a myriad of reasons for why these stats play out the way they do, a lot of which boils down to preferential treatment.
The topic gets muddier when you introduce a global perspective, or class, or race. There are certainly places in the world where women really have no place in the economic system but to marry, with all of the dependence that brings along with it. The problem is, facts like this get exploited in the arena of identity politics among populations quite removed from this issue, and our picture of reality suffers as a result
It's alright mate, I know where you're coming from. Women can be a right pain in the arse and yes, it's true, society generally coddles them such that they never realise what hardship truly is.
But that's not true of all women. It's a very broad stereotype, and no rule is without its exceptions. I'm proud of you for having the balls to say all this, likely knowing full well what kind of response it would get from our resident soft cunts; but you must try not to hate women blindly. It'll do you no good in the long run.
>a lifetime of cruelty that I have bared with a grin
Just remember that this is exactly what makes you stronger than a good majority of them. Why spend your time consumed by hatred of them? It's akin to hating a child.
For future reference, you might want to post the first paragraph on the OP and put the rest in a reply to your own thread as it's gonna be a bugger to keep scrolling past that wall of text.
What I'm curious about is whether there was anything specific that triggered you to make this thread?
>>31414 Of all the females in the world, I know 3 - their attitudes and behaviour shouldn't be representative of the whole, just as the worst behaviours we witness online and in public shouldn't tar the rest of society.
I don't mean to say that you're wrong - I mildly agree with most points - only that you're clearly taking it very hard at the moment and I hope there are people with insight enough to consider themselves.
>..domestic violence, a problem women preach how they are at danger of constantly and blah blah blah
The first time you mention an issue from the feminine perspective and you go strait to nonsense. Maybe it'd be worth stepping asside from your belief and make a sinsere effort to understand the issues, if not for their logic atleast for the emotional support demanded for them.
>It is the equivalent of nazi Germany externalizing all of their problems and playing victim to a minority
Listen man, I don't mean to be a cunt but your entire thread seems to be externalised issues targetting women.
>they want everything to change for them rather than to change the one thing they have control over
What is within your power to change? All of your frustration and anger is generated within you, by you. That could be changed this very moment simply by cutting back the feedback loop. You don't have to feel this way, man, and to change that doesn't require the outside world. 'Be a man'; conquer yourself. Do it because you can.
You're gonna fucking hate this, but learn to meditate (not the modern urban kind, I mean the contemplative, self examining kind).
>>31419 Good advice on the meditation - mindfulness can help all areas and ones framing and self perception especially so.
>Maybe it'd be worth stepping asside from your belief and make a sinsere effort to understand the issues, if not for their logic atleast for the emotional support demanded for them.
Before asking them to step aside from their belief, you probably shouldn't write it off as 'blah blah blah', because that completely undermines your point. Maybe it would be worth making a sincere effort to understand that point before dismissing it out of hand?
OP, I can't advise you on it all but one big, big thing that might help is acknowledging that individuals are not their demographic, and that you've met many men who will fit your perception of how women are, but you just didn't apply it to them because they're men. Women are just people too, and it's trite but remembering that should help you prevent yourself from conflating all women everywhere with a single female entity with whom you're interacting at any given point.
Well now I will have to post it a third time won't I.
Fair question I'm not sure, I can link it to a specific event, maybe a straw that broke the camel's back situation.
I've definitely had a distrust of institutionlized prejudice about the sexes ever since I was a child and a little girl bit me, and before I could respond ran to her mum crying crocodile tears in fear that their might be consequences for her actions and then the mother told me off. A more sophisticated version of that first story threads through my entire life. Along with situations where women have imagined misogyny when actually the person is just An arsehole is the less presumptive conclusion.
I've always scored very low on those tests that check for sexism (even for the 'benevolent sexism' score), but people will complain that I haven't made special allowances for a woman (chauvinism in my opinion is very much alive and well, it has just been rebranded as a form of feminism, you can treat women with complete utter contempt and lie to their faces as long as it is ego stroking pandering lies, feminism is a fucking charade because women it is evident don't want equal treatment).
I think I got an accusation the other month about my privilege by someone who was clearly spoilt but insecure, before they blocked me, that has been boiling away. Feminism has stopped being about equality of the sexes and started being about a rhetoric that is indistinguishable from faith. It used to be quarantined tumblr now the poison is everywhere, and it is bat shit. You can't even have a rational argument about it because these people are incapable of the basic step of imagining anything other than their own perspective, in fact their entire argument is built on the idea you can't either and that they are victims, why? Because they say so and they have a check box reason that has no consideration for reality or what priverlige actually is but there is a whole army of the idiots now, who eat a whole conspiracy of secret mechanisms of male control up now. They are the enemies of rationality and actual positive social change, because it is no longer about meaningful objectives it's about always getting to be the victims. And a victim needs a villain and if women are the permanent victims men are the permanent villains.
>The first time you mention an issue from the feminine perspective and you go strait to nonsense
Don't you dare. Women being the majority of domestic abusers is an objective fact. It is something no one who has any respect for the truth can deny it has been proven repeatedly in scientific study, in every western liberal democracy. The fact society and evidently yourself has a hard on for framing women as the victims when they aren't is the entire point of my rant. I've met your kind before both in real life and online and you can't be reasoned with even when the evidence is presented because you will furrow your brow and find a way to deny it, I would rather you would leave me to my hatred then reinforcing it by spouting bullshit and telling me I have wrong think. That's only confirming I am right.
Good point about changing yourself rather than blaming society if only someone made that point already.
>>31420 >>31422 When I say nonsense I was specifically refering to the "blah blah blah" as quoted from OPs post - 6th paragraph - not the points he brought up.
Had an interesting experience lately where I was accused of making a lady uncomfortable by being over-friendly, being told "don't act towards women in a way you wouldn't with a man" as though I was being predatory or a pest but I acted exactly the same to some blokes, at the same time, who are now definitely my friends. Treating her like I would a bloke was apparently the problem.
>>31426 I joke that my Asian mate is a terrorist and likes diddling kids, doesn't mean I'm going to pop into the local takeaway and ask Abdul if he's touched any decent pre-teen fanny lately.
I know not all women, much like world war 2 wasn't against every German. Can we stop the pedantry and assume I just mean I hate the majority of women instead. And to be clear I am capable of not hating them as soon as they stop playing victim and society stops indulging it.
>I don't like the way you said blah blah blah
Well then you had better have a point beyond "I don't feel safe, even though I objectively am" because that is every discussion I've ever had about this shit, women are neurotic and justify great evils in the name of imagined fears. You want to build a fascist state? You drum up the idea women aren't safe and they'll enable and support every oppressive action. They live in the safest and best time in all of human history to be a woman but they are still complaining, and more than they did when they were less safe. I think the problem is probably in their heads more than external, maybe they need some of that meditation.
Here's a question: what do you want women to do for you, that would make everything okay? Write them an instruction manual. I'm sure a lot of the things you will ask for are things that women do just as often as they do all the admittedly obnoxious and self-important things they do that make you so angry. And once the list of requests is there, hopefully you won't hate the women who tick all, or even most of, the boxes.
Most of what you're saying is at least partially right; it's just that it seems to annoy you a lot more than it does other people. Would you say this is because you don't have good things in your life to fall back on when bad things happen? I'm sure you'd rather not feel like this, so if things can get better for you, the horrors of female hypocrisy might not be so distressing. Because it's not going away; you just need it to not matter any more, at least in my opinion.
>>31428 How often are you having this discussion? I have literally no idea when the last time I discussed feminism IRL was. It doesn't feature in my day-to-day life whatsoever.
Now when you say imagined fears are you aware that rape and domestic violence actually happen? A man might be more likely to get assaulted walking home in the dark than a woman is to get raped in the same scenario, but that doesn't mean a woman's fears of getting sexually assaulted are irrational and aren't valid.
>>31422 Citation severely needed chap. There is as far as I know only one study in circulation positing that lesbians are the biggest domestic abusers, and it's complete bunk, the questions were actually about experiencing 'domestic abuse' at any time in your life (not just in romantic relationships, parents etc' and 'domestic abuse' counted anything from rape and battery to a raised voice or the silent treatment. Don't believe everything you read on the other place, it makes you post tedious shit like this.
I hate women too but OP uses a lot of words for it. There's a bias in society and the game is designed in such a way that nobody ends up happy but like they say, don't hate the player, hate the game.
Mostly I think men and women just end up frustrated because we have competing wants and to an extent those can be self-defeating. Sex is the obvious one but even in the workplace you have the contradiction that men and women are supposed to be the same but at the same time a woman will never be one of the lads and our relationships can be strained just by how differently we think. I say that as a man who has no trouble forming friendships with women but I still recognise that they're a different beast to my friendships with men and that they can be tricky affairs at the best of times.
>>31434 Not him but I do wonder about this. From what I've seen of the lesbian dating world from a friend it does seem like a shark tank and on the otherside of the coin violence against men is more often a joke we all live with that isn't reported.
I'm always reminded of Erin Pizzey who founded the first women's refuge but ended up hounded out of her own charity and still receiving death threats by both talking about the problems men face and also suggesting that domestic abuse tends to have a pattern at work for both parties. The latter being quite obviously something necessary to break a cycle but which is so taboo that we're simply incapable of dealing with it as a society.
It absolutely means their fear is irrational. A car could veer off the road and kill me at any moment I walk down the road still. Unless you live in gossip magazine land they are not that common. And not worthy of concern.
In an extremely comprehensive study by the Centres for Disease Control, 25.2% of gay men reported being the victim of physical violence perpetrated by an intimate partner, compared to 32.3% of heterosexual women and 40.4% of lesbians. These disparities are reliable and statistically significant.
Bisexual women are by far the most likely to be victims of intimate partner violence and sexual violence, but nobody really knows why.
>>31444 If you think about it, one of the biggest shifts in the past ~120 years has been women entering the workforce. I mean proper women rather than paupers stuck in workhouses or cotton mills.
The supply of labour massively increased and now two incomes are needed if you want to support a family or even get on the property ladder. They've been an unwitting tool used by the elites to make overall standards worse for everyone.
Indeed. I think it's a pretty valid criticism of feminism from the left to say that they have, on the whole, proved to be very effective useful idiots for capital. The roots of the movement may have been well founded, but for the better part of the last 70 years or so it has been wielded against us.
But of course that's the same boilerplate criticism you can level at most identity politics, it's just that feminism was the OG, the template. Bitches sold us all out, and in the end it didn't even really get them anywhere.
> that they have, on the whole, proved to be very effective useful idiots for capital
Bit of a tricky one. The upside of joining the workforce has been that women for the first time in European history have had the chance to be financially independent from their husbands or their families. And they get the satisfaction of building a career and making something of themselves outside the house and besides being a housewife. That in itself has intrinsic value of its own.
Capitalism, on the other hand, has always had a way of getting every man, woman and child to fall in line and do its bidding. You can see that at play everytime you wonder if you should post that picture of you on social media where you're completely off your tits, because your boss or coworkers might see it.
>>31445 What you'll notice is how much of a middle class parlour game it is. The ideal of women in the workforce is all about lawyers and what-not, basically the freedom of a woman to enter a highly-paid element of the workforce and as a result live a very comfortable and meaningful life.
Of course the reality for working class women is however rather anachronistic with low-paid childcare and nursing for richer people along with the general hum-drum. A working class girl might dream of marrying a rich superstar or making it as an influencer simply so they can actually escape having to work - probably not helped as women still rarely go into STEM. It's of course a fundamentally good thing that women have the opportunity to do things and I'm sure you'll never get them back into the kitchen but at the same time it's not so much change that is inherently good but what we do with it.
...Come to think of it women can fuck right off if they wanted to go back to being housewives, imagine it with all the modern appliances we have these days.
Well that's just the thing. From a leftist perspective, liberating someone to take part in the capitalist labour market is no kind of liberation at all. It's merely opening the cell door to let them roam around the prison grounds.
>>31457 I'm not sure I can answer either, mate. It may be the case that I'm condescending of modern social trends or perhaps jelously gatekeeping the meditation I enjoyed before it became popular.
I assume modern meditation is practiced with intent, closely associating with identity, lifestyle and stress management (possibly even with elements of narcisism), while proper meditation doesn't really have a purpose and achieves all it does by the realisation of that. In other words I think modern meditation is done to achieve something where, philosphically speaking, meditation should be done for the sake of it.
To be honest I'm talking out of my arse. Any meditation is a step in a good direction.
Other than vaguely mentioning Alan Watts, whos lectures I listened to religiously from a pirated disc over the course of 2 years, I can't really offer any resources.
>>31458 >I assume modern meditation is practiced with intent, closely associating with identity...
Yes mate, all your frustration and anger is generated within you, when you start imagining things to get annoyed at.
>>31430 >How often are you having this discussion? I have literally no idea when the last time I discussed feminism IRL was. It doesn't feature in my day-to-day life whatsoever.
Not OP, but the only place I ever have these conversations is on reddit (came up a lot around Sarah Everard) and with my partner. You just come across them unless you make efforts to avoid/block certain communities.
>Now when you say imagined fears are you aware that rape and domestic violence actually happen? A man might be more likely to get assaulted walking home in the dark than a woman is to get raped in the same scenario, but that doesn't mean a woman's fears of getting sexually assaulted are irrational and aren't valid.
It does a bit though - just as much as my fear of the plane going down every time we ascend or descend is irrational. It's valid, but I shouldn't be indulging it.
Just some random thoughts, feel free to offer counterpoints or what have you:
You know what would be good, and probably help a lot of blokes be less... Dodgy about the opposite gender, is if it was truly possible for men and women to be m8s. Just regular m8s, but proper actually m8s. You know?
I mean, why is it that I've known the same three lads since I was about 17, over 15 years ago, but other than me mam, no woman has ever stayed in my life longer than about 3-4? Not just in relationships, I mean just as mates, you never form those lifelong bonds with a woman, and I rarely see them do it with each other either, they're always moving on and finding new groups every few years.
I honestly don't think women form bonds in the same way as men, and I think only very few of them are even capable of doing so. I think the only reason humans partner for life (in theory) is the practical value of a father- But even that is eroding nowadays. Everything seems much more transactional for women, where if you're no longer giving them whatever they enjoyed getting out of you, you're out of the picture, and they'll rarely look back.
It's telling that fisherpersons will often hypothesise a society without men, indeed the ultimate meaning and end-goal of liberation for them, is to escape the need of men altogether. but has any serious male academic ever done the same about a woman-free utopia?
>>31466 >if it was truly possible for men and women to be m8s. Just regular m8s, but proper actually m8s. You know?
Erm, that is possible. I've got lass mates I'm still friends with 20 years after we first had to sit next to each other at secondary school and they've been friends with each other since primary.
>I mean, why is it that I've known the same three lads since I was about 17, over 15 years ago, but other than me mam, no woman has ever stayed in my life longer than about 3-4?
I think this is saying more about you than anything else, to be honest. You've also got to realise that there are different kinds of friendships, not everyone who comes into your life will be there forever.
>>31467 >I think this is saying more about you than anything else, to be honest.
I think (on /emo/ at least) we should try to give people the benefit of the doubt when it comes to evaluating their own experiences. Turning people's observations against them like this without any evidence other than you having a few female mates isn't convincing, and seems like quite a mean-spirited deflection.
It also smacks a bit of the expectation of hyperagency we put on men, where anything that happens in their life is their responsibility alone. Relationships, including friendships, are a mutual thing.
>You've also got to realise that there are different kinds of friendships, not everyone who comes into your life will be there forever.
Otherlad said that he has some friendships from his teens and others that he lost contact with after a few years, which suggests to me that he's had both. He's also made the general observation that female friendships tend to be shorter.
I find it strange that even a mild criticism like "in my experience women aren't very good at maintaining long-term friendships" can elicit this sort of defence, where person raising the topic gets shut down in a "you're wrong and your experiences are wrong" kind of way. I don't often see the same happening with sweeping observations about men just wanting sex or being violent or struggling with expressing themselves emotionally or other broadly accepted stereotypes.
>>31467 >You've also got to realise that there are different kinds of friendships, not everyone who comes into your life will be there forever.
I agree with this part - I'm not convinced "friends for life" really exists. I certainly don't have any. My friendship groups have varied according to where I worked and lived, and my state in life, married, kids, (or none of those) etc - all tend to change your friendship groups.
I don't have any perspective on females having friends - except I do echo what someone else in the thread touched on. I once had a partner who claimed to have "tons of friends" - and she did - but they were shallow relationships, and anytime she had something going wrong in her life they were nowhere to be seen and it was me picking up the pieces. I found it tiring and annoying.
>>31468 >I think (on /emo/ at least) we should try to give people the benefit of the doubt when it comes to evaluating their own experiences.
You should never be a dick on /emo/, but that doesn't mean people should never have their views and experiences challenged or you're at risk of creating an echo chamber.
When other replies to this thread include "I was told I was making a lady feel uncomfortable and made to feel like a sex pest when all I did was treat her like one of the lads" I would say that a bit of introspection is necessary. Rather than blaming other people, say, it may be worth reflecting on how some of these lads come across. When there's posters here who think it's acceptable to be the older guys preying on drunk 18 year olds during freshers week I think it's not a stretch to say there's a fair few creeps on here who need to take a hard look at themselves.
>I don't often see the same happening with sweeping observations about men just wanting sex or being violent or struggling with expressing themselves emotionally or other broadly accepted stereotypes.
When are they ever brought up here, apart from the instances when you lads get too horny and spend hours posting about fat lasses and their robust chins?
>>31470 >You should never be a dick on /emo/, but that doesn't mean people should never have their views and experiences challenged
Very much agree. We created /emo/ as the kindest/safest space on the site, and we'll always make sure that's enforced - but this definitely isn't an echo chamber where people will automatically agree with you.
I agree that we shouldn't create an echo chamber, what I'm saying is that just dismissing someone's observations which they've got through anecdotal experience with another anecdotal experience isn't very convincing or helpful.
I also don't think it's fair to push the whole responsibility of a perceived problem back onto the person expressing it. I would think the same if someone posted, "I'm lonely, and I think the problem is x" and someone responded "it's you, it's easy to meet people", or if another thread went "I've only ever had bad relationships, and I think it might be for y reason" is not always a case of "it's you, you spend time with the wrong people".
As the lad who posted in the first place and did indeed specifically say you're welcome to provide counterpoint, I will just say that I'm not at all miffed at you/whoever disagreeing with me. What does miff me is that it was really a pretty boilerplate response without much substance beyond empty contrarianism, and all it served to do is derailus into this kind of navel gazing nonsense. That's alright in a /news/ thread about BoJo's booze ups, but I do feel like /emo/ should be a place for good faith engagement.
