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>> No. 25884 Anonymous
25th April 2017
Tuesday 11:09 am
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I'm in the market for a laptop, but I'm not sure if I can get away with meeting all my criteria.

- It'll be purely for business, the most demanding thing it will be opening is numerous Chrome tabs.
- It needs to run Windows software, with MS Office.
- I want it to be lightweight and no bigger than an A4 pad.

Is there any chance of me getting this for around £200?

I've been seeing refurbished X series Thinkpads from as little as £100, but maybe this is dodgy?

Do you lads know of something better?
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>> No. 25885 Anonymous
25th April 2017
Tuesday 1:47 pm
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>>25884

Livux.
>> No. 25886 Anonymous
25th April 2017
Tuesday 2:07 pm
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The refurb X-series machines are ace. They're relatively thick and heavy by modern standards, but they're also fast, durable and easy to repair or upgrade. The battery life isn't great compared to a modern ultraportable or Chromebook, but performance is excellent. Avoid the X201, as you can find an X220 for about the same price or an X230 for a little more.

The battery might be very tired in some of these machines, so budget for a replacement. It's also well worth considering an SSD upgrade, as it'll shave the boot time down to a few seconds and make the machine feel much more responsive. The X220 and above have an mSATA slot, so you can fit both a hard drive and an SSD if desired. A small mSATA SSD can cost as little as £20 on eBay.

The only reasonable alternative in that price range would be a cheap ultraportable like the Asus E200HA. These machines are just barely adequate in performance, but they're extremely lightweight and achieve phenomenal battery life. They're basically a Windows tablet with a keyboard bolted on, for better and for worse. Fine for basic browsing and office tasks, but they'll bog down quickly if you ask too much of them. You're looking at about £180 new or £130 b-stock.
>> No. 25887 Anonymous
25th April 2017
Tuesday 4:21 pm
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People throw away laptops with those sorts of capabilities at the skip. Get down there quick and have a rummage, you might save some poor African kid the trouble.
>> No. 25888 Anonymous
25th April 2017
Tuesday 7:33 pm
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>>25886
Agreed - many of the T series and X series of Lenovo are actually still IBM designs in disguise, before Lenovo bought them. They are very very good PCs and what I would have were I not a Mac person. We use them extensively at work, also. You can pick them up s/h very easily and they are quite upgradable and fixable.
>> No. 25889 Anonymous
25th April 2017
Tuesday 8:52 pm
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>>25886>>25888

Thanks lads, I went with an X100E, which is meant to be highly portable. I'll report back whether it's up to much as a laptop.

>>25887

A bigger or more fancy laptop really wouldn't suit my needs here. No sense in spending more than I have to.
>> No. 25890 Anonymous
25th April 2017
Tuesday 9:56 pm
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>>25886
Good advice.
>It's also well worth considering an SSD upgrade
I would say that an SSD is one of the most important considerations for a new laptop (or PC for that matter). There's been plenty of evangelism for them here in the past so I'll spare you the sales pitch, but get one, even if it means getting a machine that's shittier in other ways.
>> No. 25891 Anonymous
26th April 2017
Wednesday 1:26 am
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>>25890
Yep - easiest and most effective PC upgrade out there at the moment.
>> No. 26747 Anonymous
4th October 2018
Thursday 11:27 am
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>>25889

Reporting back. The X100E I got was crap.

I actually have some money, now, so I'm looking for more or less the same thing but can budget up to about £600.

I'm thinking about a Chromebook, but suspect there's some drawback I haven't considered.
>> No. 26748 Anonymous
4th October 2018
Thursday 11:44 am
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>>26747
Can't run Windows software, unless that's no longer a requirement for you.
>> No. 26749 Anonymous
4th October 2018
Thursday 11:46 am
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>>26748

Really? That is quite strange, there's guides to install them, e.g. https://support.office.com/en-us/article/how-to-install-and-run-microsoft-office-on-a-chromebook-32f14a23-2c1a-4579-b973-d4b1d78561ad
>> No. 26750 Anonymous
4th October 2018
Thursday 12:10 pm
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>>25886
Seconding the X220. I lost one after getting really drunk and liked it so much I replaced it with another one. It was only £120 so the loss didn't sting too badly.

An SSD is a good suggestion too. My X220 feels faster and more responsive than my fancy gaming PC simply because of the SSD.

>>26747
You zigged when you should've zagged. The X100e and X120e aren't really considered legit Thinkpads and are regarded as pretty shit.
>> No. 26751 Anonymous
4th October 2018
Thursday 12:25 pm
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>>26749

There's a web app version of Office. Chromebooks run a custom Linux distribution and won't run any native Windows software. Most new Chromebooks do run Android apps, which is handy.
>> No. 26752 Anonymous
4th October 2018
Thursday 12:55 pm
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>>26751

Right, I've got you. So it's not the full fat version. I'll have a think about whether this will be enough for work.

>>26750
>You zigged when you should've zagged.

Story of my life. I can see a few used models of X220 with the same specs as the Chromebooks but much cheaper at £200 or so.

Thanks bruvs. I'll probably end up buying one soon.
>> No. 26753 Anonymous
4th October 2018
Thursday 12:57 pm
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>>26749
If you wanted to tell me that it *can* run native Windows software, why did you link me to an install guide for the Android version of Office?
>> No. 26754 Anonymous
4th October 2018
Thursday 1:26 pm
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>>26753

Because it's a (lesser) version of the office suite that can be run from a Chromebook, and I wasn't aware of the difference between office apps and the full programs. No cunt-off today, thank you.
>> No. 26755 Anonymous
4th October 2018
Thursday 1:43 pm
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>>26754
>No cunt-off today, thank you.
COWARD

Good luck with your new Thinkpad, m8.
>> No. 26756 Anonymous
4th October 2018
Thursday 6:36 pm
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I know it's too late but I need to tell you all how good the X series thinkpads are. I have a 220 and a 230 just because I can. Still shows up a Macbook pro in my opinion.
>> No. 26757 Anonymous
4th October 2018
Thursday 6:50 pm
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>>26756

An X230 is actually what I'm looking at right now, attracted by the 8GB RAM.

Is the entire laptop about the size of an A4 book? Also, is the screen a good usable size for student/work tasks?
>> No. 26758 Anonymous
4th October 2018
Thursday 7:27 pm
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>>26755
>COWARD

KNOBLORD
>> No. 26759 Anonymous
4th October 2018
Thursday 8:00 pm
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>>26757

>Is the entire laptop about the size of an A4 book?

Pretty much exactly. If you have one of the larger batteries it sticks out a bit more, but it still fits in a 13" MBP sleeve.

>Also, is the screen a good usable size for student/work tasks?

This is where I have to admit the X series isn't perfect. The screen itself isn't a bad size, but the resolution isn't amazing. You might struggle for real estate. Personally I'm very happy with it and use to do all of my business work, so a lot of word and excel. I have good eyes, your mileage may vary. I know a lot of people recommend the Thinkpad T430, which is essentially a 14" version of the X230, but for me the portability and battery life of the X series wins out.

For what it's worth I think the people who really struggle with the X230 screen size are programmers.
>> No. 26760 Anonymous
4th October 2018
Thursday 10:15 pm
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>>26759

>This is where I have to admit the X series isn't perfect. The screen itself isn't a bad size, but the resolution isn't amazing.

It's the downside of buying a cheap older model. The X280 is available with a 1080p screen, but you'll pay over a grand for the privilege.

There is a kit available to upgrade the X230 to a 1080p screen, but it does require some soldering to install.

https://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=122640
>> No. 26761 Anonymous
5th October 2018
Friday 4:18 am
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>>26760

I have seen the FHD mod, though I've heard some people say that you can get flickering issues and such. I'm happy enough with the size it is, personally. I had planned to get a nice big monitor for my desk for working on bigger stuff, but honestly I've not felt the need yet.

Here's mine. 2.5" hard drive for scale.
>> No. 26811 Anonymous
16th November 2018
Friday 2:33 pm
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Hello again lads. I still haven't bought a new bastard laptop and have been struggling along with the X100e. It's unusably slow.

At some point I intend to drop £300 - £400 on a decent one. The other ThinkPads looked great, but I've also been tempted away by the IdeaPad.

That aside, is there anything I can do to make the x100e perform better until I'm sure I can spunk the money? It's crippled with running a few tabs with Microsoft Edge in Windows 10 at the moment. Any recommendations?
>> No. 26812 Anonymous
16th November 2018
Friday 2:40 pm
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>>26811
Install an SSD, if it doesn't already have one.
Install more RAM, if it's not already maxed out.
Install a lightweight Linux distribution if you swing that way, such as Xubuntu.

If you want to stick with Windows, try disabling all graphical effects and the like.
>> No. 26813 Anonymous
16th November 2018
Friday 3:04 pm
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>>26811

As said, an SSD is a huge performance boost in older machines. You can also try to blast out any dust that might (definitely will) be caking the cooling fans and vents, as if it's running hot enough the CPU might be thermal throttling too, I've seen that happen a lot.
>> No. 26814 Anonymous
16th November 2018
Friday 4:59 pm
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>>26812

It probably isn't worth upgrading. The x100e has a feeble single-core Athlon Neo processor with a PassMark score of 409. It was piss-poor in 2010 and it's utterly unusable today. By comparison, the slowest processor in Intel's current desktop lineup has a Passmark score of 3,269 and an i7-7700k scores over 12,000. No matter what you do, it's grossly bottlenecked by that dog of a processor.

You don't need to spend £300 to get something vastly quicker than your current machine. A Thinkpad X220 will set you back about £120; the default processor in that machine is an i5-2520M, which has a Passmark score of 3,588. The very cheapest Chromebook would be a significant upgrade, as would any old laptop with an Intel Core-series processor.

A lightweight Linux distribution might help a bit. If you're not using an adblocker, for the love of god install uBlock Origin - ads and ad trackers have a huge CPU load. Firefox Reader Mode is very useful on slow machines, because it strips out all of the CSS and Javascript.
>> No. 26815 Anonymous
16th November 2018
Friday 8:09 pm
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>>26812
Excellent advice. SSD and RAM is always the way to rescue a slow, old computer.
>> No. 26903 Anonymous
3rd December 2018
Monday 8:55 am
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Hallo again fellas. I bought a swanky new laptop which I'm very happy with.

What should I do with the old X110e? It's basically unusable and dead weight to me now, but being a thrifty person I don't just want to throw it away. Any useful spares I can salvage from it? Should I perform a factory reset and just give it away?
>> No. 26906 Anonymous
3rd December 2018
Monday 7:30 pm
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>>26903
If you don't mind lots of fucking about you can buy yourself an enclosure for about £16 and turn the hard-drive into big ol' memory stick. I'm fucking knackered right now so in brief before you take the hard-drive out be sure to right click on [whatever drive] -> Properties -> Security -> Advanced -> add in an 'everyone' with all permissions and check boxes ticked. Saves you spending a night doing it via usb.

You can take out the RAM easy enough but really even the hard-drive will just end up collecting dust somewhere.
>> No. 26907 Anonymous
3rd December 2018
Monday 8:03 pm
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>>26906

I have a stack of annoyingly small hard drives that I can't quite bring myself to chuck out - probably seven or eight drives of between 160GB and 500GB.

500GB still seems like a useful amount of storage, but then I remember that there's a 4TB mirrored pair in my main machine and a 400GB MicroSD card in my phone.
>> No. 26908 Anonymous
3rd December 2018
Monday 8:55 pm
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>>26907

It's still useful if you need to take stuff anywhere or like to have even more redundancy.

I have loads of these clear USB 3.0 enclosures, because I had about 10 old laptop drives I didn't want to destroy.

Even if it's just something like "a back up of the backup of my work laptop's files" it might save my arse one day.
>> No. 26914 Anonymous
4th December 2018
Tuesday 2:11 am
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>>26908
I am digging both the clear enclosure and the Dymo labels.

Top marks lad.
>> No. 26948 Anonymous
8th December 2018
Saturday 2:28 pm
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>>26907
What do you use that space for?
>> No. 26951 Anonymous
8th December 2018
Saturday 9:09 pm
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>>26948
Porn.
>> No. 26968 Anonymous
24th December 2018
Monday 2:43 pm
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>>26907
Annoyingly small at the size of 160 GB? Come on, my previous machine had an 80 GB HDD. Think I even had about 15 GB free.

Though with the current game packages of about 40-50 GB per title, I can certainly understand the sentiment.
>> No. 26969 Anonymous
24th December 2018
Monday 3:36 pm
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>>26968

Games are just the start of it if you're doing anything else. My VR porn collection just hit 400gb.
>> No. 26972 Anonymous
24th December 2018
Monday 4:22 pm
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I used to hoard the hell out of audiowarez and stopped in 2004. The programs, sample sets and tutorial videos on those websites are often 2-4GB apiece now and you can download several of each every day. In my day the programs were about 4mb and sample CDs maxed out at 700mb.
>> No. 26973 Anonymous
24th December 2018
Monday 5:12 pm
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>>26969
Aye, I must reconsider. Video editing should require a lot of space too.
>> No. 26974 Anonymous
24th December 2018
Monday 6:46 pm
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>>26968

Anything media-related involves massive amounts of storage.

Sample libraries for music production are fucking massive. Komplete 12 Ultimate requires 490GB of drive space. VSL Symphonic Cube is 375GB; that goes up to 1TB if you opt for the full Super Package. Omnisphere, Trillian and Stylus are another 150GB. Those libraries the bare minimum needed for a serious composer's workstation. Add in the major packages from Spitfire Audio, Sonokinetic and Orchestral Tools and you could easily be looking at the thick end of 4TB. If you're working on large projects, it really needs to all be on SSD in RAID 1. Compared to the cost of the library licenses, a thousand quid's worth of SSDs is practically pocket change.

4K raw video footage is between 500GB and 1TB per hour; a post-production facility working on feature films might need 1PB of storage per project, plus local backups, plus off-site backups.
>> No. 26975 Anonymous
24th December 2018
Monday 7:17 pm
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>>26974
Modern sample libraries really are yuuuuuge. I know someone working for a company in that space, and I'm told that these days they record each note around a dozen times, pick the best three and employ some shifting trickery so that repeated notes sound different enough to feel organic, but that still means a shitload of actual recordings in high enough quality to use in an actual production.
>> No. 26976 Anonymous
25th December 2018
Tuesday 10:39 am
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>>26974>>26975
> Sample libraries for music production are fucking massive
Say, if I pester search engines long enough, will they tell me what all this jiggabyte-sized stuff is for? I can guess - I have a vague idea what samples are for but hundreds of GBs? Colour me astonished.
>> No. 26977 Anonymous
25th December 2018
Tuesday 12:40 pm
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>>26976
Every single bloody note of a piano or what have you, with and without sustain etc, in some high quality lossless format, soon adds up I suppose.
>> No. 26978 Anonymous
25th December 2018
Tuesday 1:41 pm
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>>26976

Most instruments have a lot of subtle variations in tone; you need a lot of different samples to capture that variation in a realistic manner.

A piano is probably the simplest case. A piano doesn't just get louder when you hit the keys harder, the quality of the note also changes. A modern piano sample library will include a minimum of eight recordings of each key, from very soft to very loud. That adds up to at least 704 stereo WAV files. Those recordings at different levels are blended together to give a realistic response to the player's touch.

You'll also usually get at least five different microphone positions, from close microphones right under the piano lid to a broad stereo pair capturing the ambience of the room. A single piano can therefore add up to several thousand samples, taking up a few gigabytes.

A violin is probably the most complex case. There are a huge variety of ways to play a violin. You can pluck the strings (pizzicato), you can play with the bow close to the bridge or close to the fingerboard, you can play with the back side of the bow or with a mute on the strings, you can blur the notes together smoothly (legato) or play crisply separated notes (détaché).

For each of these possible playing styles (articulations), you need separate samples of each note at multiple volume levels. The sample playback software (Kontakt) allows you to switch articulations using the keys on the left of the keyboard, playing the notes with the right hand. Again, you'll usually want a variety of microphone positions to give you control over the room ambiance. My preferred solo violin library has 38 different articulations, adding up to over 24,000 unique samples.

Multiply that across all the instruments of an orchestra and you've got a shitload of samples. The VSL Symphonic Cube orchestral library includes 764,000 samples, hence the 375GB installed file size. Most composers have multiple sample libraries covering an entire orchestra, each of which has a different sound based on how the instruments are played and how they are recorded. VSL is very traditional and is ideal for orchestral works. Spitfire Albion is quirky and modern for Hans Zimmer style atmospheric cinematic arrangements. The EWQL Hollywood Orchestra does exactly what you'd expect, giving you that epic John Williams sound.

We don't just want an orchestra of course, we want modern instruments like guitar and bass, world instruments, historical instruments and so on. We also want a variety of each - I currently have 94 different drum kit libraries installed, from a vintage 1930s jazz kit to a modern heavy metal kit.

This meticulous approach to sampling gives us an astonishing degree of realism. You probably don't realise it, but the overwhelming majority of music you hear on film, TV and video games is produced on a computer using sample libraries. Some productions have the budget and the timescale to go out to Eastern Europe and record with a real orchestra, but most of the time it's just one bloke in a home studio with a ton of software.
>> No. 26979 Anonymous
25th December 2018
Tuesday 1:48 pm
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>>26978

>Some productions have the budget and the timescale to go out to Eastern Europe and record with a real orchestra, but most of the time it's just one bloke in a home studio with a ton of software.

To add to this, there's not even any guarantee I could record the Czech Philharmonic any better or more appropriately than the lads who did the orchestral library I have anyway.

We've come a long way from MIDI synth'd instruments and the leap in technology that's allowed it is simply exponentially increased digital storage space. The first digital musical device I owned had it's entire sample library on a 128mb compactflash.
>> No. 26980 Anonymous
25th December 2018
Tuesday 2:40 pm
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>>26979
>Czech Philharmonic
City of Prague Philharmonic. The Czech Phil is the concert orchestra, the Prague Phil is the industrial orchestra.

The Prague does more or less the equivalent of a full-time job, with around 250 sessions a year.
>> No. 26981 Anonymous
25th December 2018
Tuesday 2:46 pm
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>>26980

m8 I could record either though if I paid them
>> No. 26982 Anonymous
25th December 2018
Tuesday 2:54 pm
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>>26981
Do they take cheque?
>> No. 26983 Anonymous
25th December 2018
Tuesday 3:08 pm
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>>26978
How do you find your way within those thousands of samples?
>> No. 26984 Anonymous
25th December 2018
Tuesday 3:31 pm
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>>26983

Most sample libraries nowadays come with a nice powerful sample player UI, and lots of metadata so you can quickly find stuff and it's all nicely organised, like Kontakt here. The big players are very good at this, to the point where I could browse a category like "brass, alien, sci fi, fx" and find something specific to all of those.

Even without all that the standard practice for a sample pack is to put everything in very specific nested folders, so even looking at the raw files you could easily find your single short C sharp trumpet note by going Sample Pack>Orchestral>Brass>Trumpet>C#staccatotrumpet.wav, though that's really not neccesary these days since most sample makers will include indexing files for all the common sample player software.
>> No. 26986 Anonymous
26th December 2018
Wednesday 9:43 pm
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>>26982
I don't know. Maybe I should check.
>> No. 26987 Anonymous
27th December 2018
Thursday 10:03 am
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>>26986>>26982

Czech yourselves before you wrzech yourselves.

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