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>> No. 11944 Anonymous
1st February 2018
Thursday 10:27 am
11944 Ethics and that
Would you take a three figure salary to work at a corporation widely regarded as horrendously unethical?

It's a position you'd love, excel at, and be able to make some changes to a couple of the evil policies, but not all of them. It's a significant step up for you, career wise. You've been headhunted and you have scope to define your own role - the dream basically.

Could you do it? Would you? I'm in this predicament myself. I feel like if I really have to ask then I already know the answer, but I can't pretend I'm not tempted.

I probably shouldn't name the company but yes, it's the one you're thinking of.
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>> No. 11945 Anonymous
1st February 2018
Thursday 10:32 am
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Three figures? For a salary? Piss off son. Add another 2 to 3 figures then we might be able to have a sensible conversation.
>> No. 11946 Anonymous
1st February 2018
Thursday 10:37 am
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>>11945

Fucks sake! Six figures. I forgot about the zeroes.

It is not a position that relies heavily on maths, thankfully.
>> No. 11947 Anonymous
1st February 2018
Thursday 10:47 am
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>I probably shouldn't name the company but yes, it's the one you're thinking of.

Everything in your post points to KFC. Do me a favour and sort the chips out while you're there - sauces too.

>It's a significant step up for you, career wise.

Take it and then move on to greener pastures when you get the chance. Do you think you're the first person who has had to work somewhere they hate?
>> No. 11948 Anonymous
1st February 2018
Thursday 10:55 am
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>>11947

>Everything in your post points to KFC

Pretty close, same industry. And I had KFC recently, they've definitely done something to the fries, probably double cooking them.

>Do you think you're the first person who has had to work somewhere they hate?

Not at all. It's not that I'd hate the job, just the idea of being part of a questionable business.

I'm also quite happy at the moment to be semi-retired, coasting on my early glories. I suppose I'm looking for excuses to continue being a lazy cunt, too.
>> No. 11949 Anonymous
1st February 2018
Thursday 10:56 am
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>>11946

>Fucks sake! Six figures. I forgot about the zeroes.

I suppose if you're doing this sort of harm to an unethical company, the ethical companies are safe.
>> No. 11950 Anonymous
1st February 2018
Thursday 11:42 am
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>>11949

I mean if you lads hadn't pointed it out I might have signed up for a couple of hundred quid a year. probably still more than they pay the kids wot pick the cocoa beans
>> No. 11951 Anonymous
1st February 2018
Thursday 1:00 pm
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>>11944
Yes I would.
>> No. 11953 Anonymous
1st February 2018
Thursday 2:03 pm
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>horrendously unethical?

What is your bench mark for this? Are we talking about a company that keeps all the poor fluffy animals in cages that I want murdered so I can eat them anyway? Nuclear power that hippies get in a tizzy about even though it is better for the enviroment and more practical than the altenatives? Or are we talking about manufacturing bioweapons for rogue states?

It would help form my opinion if I knew what the unethical was.
>> No. 11954 Anonymous
1st February 2018
Thursday 2:22 pm
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Obviously the ethical and sensible thing to do is to work there for as long as possible whilst undermining their business from within. You may not be able to turn it into an ethical business but you can certainly do damage. I'd argue that even if you could make it ethical, that would continue to benefit the people who made it unethical in the first place, so the most ethical thing would be to take that away from them by ruining it.
>> No. 11955 Anonymous
1st February 2018
Thursday 6:13 pm
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>>11953

Exploiting third world countries for profit, tricking them into becoming dependent on products they otherwise would't have needed, depriving them of essential resources they can then sell to them. Buying supplies from known child slave rings. That sort of thing. So not killing delicious animals, not bioweapons, but somewhere in the middle.
>> No. 11956 Anonymous
1st February 2018
Thursday 6:15 pm
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>>11955
I'm guessing it's Nestle we're talking about?
>> No. 11957 Anonymous
1st February 2018
Thursday 6:19 pm
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>>11956

Fuck it, yeah, that's the one.

I'm leaning towards not wanting to be a part of all that at the moment.
>> No. 11958 Anonymous
1st February 2018
Thursday 6:35 pm
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What's the alternative?
>> No. 11959 Anonymous
1st February 2018
Thursday 6:55 pm
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>> No. 11960 Anonymous
1st February 2018
Thursday 6:57 pm
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>>11957
Just do it. Nobody gives a fuck about them.
>> No. 11961 Anonymous
1st February 2018
Thursday 7:11 pm
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Unless you're high enough in the company (or a big shareholder), it's safe to say you're not part of the group responsible for the unethical behaviour. You could consider it collective responsibility, but that ignores the fact that corporations are essentially structured as dictatorships. It is my belief that "just following orders" is a reasonably legitimate personal ethical defence, unless you're the bloke pulling the gas lever in Auschwitz, or something equally direct and involved.

If anything you could use it as a moral justification to be a work-shy time-waster for as much of your time with them as possible. You wouldn't feel guilty leeching hundreds of thousands from a greedy, amoral multinational in the same way you would if you worked for a children's hospital, would you?

Basically go for it unless the job happens to be "Head Of African Milk Replacement Marketing".
>> No. 11962 Anonymous
1st February 2018
Thursday 7:28 pm
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I never understood getting mopey about the ethics of a job you're doing, but then I have one of the most unethical jobs of all.
>> No. 11963 Anonymous
1st February 2018
Thursday 7:32 pm
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>>11962
You wouldn't, Purpz.
>> No. 11964 Anonymous
1st February 2018
Thursday 7:53 pm
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>>11962

Come on mate, can't say that and not spill the beans. We're all friends here.
>> No. 11965 Anonymous
1st February 2018
Thursday 8:02 pm
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Yes.
>> No. 11966 Anonymous
1st February 2018
Thursday 8:33 pm
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>>11964
He's probably a salmon farmer. Apparently that's the most unethical job in the world right now.
>> No. 11967 Anonymous
1st February 2018
Thursday 8:41 pm
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>> No. 11968 Anonymous
1st February 2018
Thursday 8:47 pm
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>>11967
What are the ethical struggles that come with being Nicholas Cage?
>> No. 11969 Anonymous
2nd February 2018
Friday 8:41 am
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I could only do it if I were working it into a greater plan. Right now I'm working for an industry that's a grey area, ethically, but I'm saving up specifically to take another related qualification and move into a better field.
>> No. 11970 Anonymous
2nd February 2018
Friday 1:51 pm
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OP this is what is known as an "ethical compromise under capitalism".

We all have to make such compromises in order to live comfortably. On the one hand, working for Nestlé in and of itself is not evil, unless you are head of the African Milk Division as the above poster has said. On the other hand, the fact you would have influence over policy and would have a six figure salary suggests you are skilled enough to easily find similar employment elsewhere, so it doesn't seem like something you don't have a choice in.

In the end only you can decide whether it is something you can do and still live with yourself in the long run.
>> No. 11971 Anonymous
2nd February 2018
Friday 4:17 pm
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There's things you could do to mitigate your ethical concerns.

You could use it as a stepping stone to something more ethical. It's inevitable that making a living somewhere and spending the majority of your time there will draw you into that culture and sap you of the will to try anything else. It will be extremely well paid and comfortable. It will take a tremendous amount of willpower to resist this and not have your values dulled over time.

Also you could maintain an openness about what it is you do for the company, and tell people you trust honestly about the ethical concerns you have. Don't portray the career in a better light for the sake of pride. If you're prepared to take the risk, you could share your views anonymously with relevant activist groups. You could even one day be a whistleblower if the opportunity arises.

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