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>> No. 4193 Anonymous
21st July 2018
Saturday 6:42 pm
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What's the deal with undertaking?

Let's say you're on a three lane dual carriageway where the speed limit is 70mph. You're doing 70mph in the left lane and rapidly undertaking all the people in the middle and right lanes who somehow forgot that those lanes are for overtaking.

My motorbike instructor said it would be illegal to undertake these other road users and that it would fail you on the test and potentially get you a fine from traffic cops. The highway code backs it up. What's the logic behind that? There's obviously a danger in specifically getting into the left lane to overtake, but if your left lane just happens to be faster why are you supposed to keep to the speed of traffic on your right?

My car instructor didn't mention any of this and was fine with undertaking if your required lane just so happened to be going faster than the lane on your right. I guess on a motorbike you're far more fragile/hard to see so you're more at a danger from the bad drivers hogging the middle lane changing into your lane as your undertake.
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>> No. 4194 Anonymous
21st July 2018
Saturday 7:02 pm
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You're simply observing the speed limit.

Sometimes I make a point of going all the way around them and pulling into the left-hand lane again in front of them, but I think it's only really an issue if you go past them in the left-hand lane and then pull in front of them.
>> No. 4196 Anonymous
21st July 2018
Saturday 8:31 pm
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>Rule 268

>Do not overtake on the left or move to a lane on your left to overtake. In congested conditions, where adjacent lanes of traffic are moving at similar speeds, traffic in left-hand lanes may sometimes be moving faster than traffic to the right. In these conditions you may keep up with the traffic in your lane even if this means passing traffic in the lane to your right. Do not weave in and out of lanes to overtake.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/motorways-253-to-273
>> No. 4197 Anonymous
21st July 2018
Saturday 8:46 pm
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>>4193
Straight from the horses mouth:
https://www.highwaycodeuk.co.uk/answers/can-you-overtake-on-the-nearside-of-another-vehicle
>Overtaking on the nearside (left) is legally acceptable if you are driving on a multi-lane carriageway in congested conditions, and the lane to the left is moving at a faster speed than lanes to the right.

My own understanding is that there is no specific offence related to undertaking, but it can constitute dangerous driving.
>> No. 4198 Anonymous
21st July 2018
Saturday 9:24 pm
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My instructor said it's because you're less likely to observe someone passing you on your left-Your left mirror is out of peripheral vision whereas your right one is always right there. I can see the logic in that and if you've ever had a cyclist zip past on the inside without you even noticing the cunt then you will understand too.

Nevertheless. It reminds me of a post I saw a lass make on facebook a few years ago complaining about people undertaking her on the motorway. Either way you look at it, if the road is clear and you're getting undertaken, you're going too slow.The only exception is if it's the kind of road where you have to be in a specific lane for a certain turn off etc.
>> No. 4199 Anonymous
25th August 2018
Saturday 12:10 pm
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>>4198

More than once I've been doing 90+ in the far lane on the motorway and have seen a bloke tailgate me, flash his lights angrily then undertake me. At 90mph. I could understand if I was doing a flat 70 in the fast lane, even though that's still 'technically' the right thing to do, but I shouldn't ever be undertaken by some wankstain in an AMG when I'm already going at a speed I could probably catch a driving ban for.

It's happened more often than I would ever have believed.
>> No. 4200 Anonymous
25th August 2018
Saturday 5:17 pm
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>>4199
So you're equally a cunt for not letting him pass properly. There's no reason you should be an arbiter of how much law breaking is acceptable.
>> No. 4201 Anonymous
25th August 2018
Saturday 8:15 pm
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>>4199
>More than once I've been doing 90+ in the far lane on the motorway and have seen a bloke tailgate me, flash his lights angrily then undertake me.
Any particular reason you hadn't moved back over into the empty space next to you like you're supposed to?
>> No. 4202 Anonymous
25th August 2018
Saturday 10:11 pm
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>>4199 I shouldn't ever be undertaken

Correct. It shouldn't be possible to undertake you. Stop being a cock.
>> No. 4203 Anonymous
25th August 2018
Saturday 10:13 pm
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>>4199 I could understand if I was doing a flat 70 in the fast lane, even though that's still 'technically' the right thing to do

Nah, this has to be trolling.
>> No. 4204 Anonymous
25th August 2018
Saturday 11:24 pm
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>4203

Why? Read the highway code m8
>> No. 4205 Anonymous
25th August 2018
Saturday 11:47 pm
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>>4204

>137. On a two-lane dual carriageway you should stay in the left-hand lane. Use the right-hand lane for overtaking or turning right. After overtaking, move back to the left-hand lane when it is safe to do so.

>138. On a three-lane dual carriageway, you may use the middle lane or the right-hand lane to overtake but return to the middle and then the left-hand lane when it is safe.

>264. You should always drive in the left-hand lane when the road ahead is clear. If you are overtaking a number of slower-moving vehicles, you should return to the left-hand lane as soon as you are safely past. [...]
>> No. 4206 Anonymous
25th August 2018
Saturday 11:59 pm
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>>4205

Do you not think at 90mph+ you're probably overtaking a number of slower moving vehicles?
>> No. 4207 Anonymous
26th August 2018
Sunday 12:04 am
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>>4206
Not if someone's managed to find enough room to undertake you without cutting you up, no.
>> No. 4208 Anonymous
26th August 2018
Sunday 12:09 am
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>>4207

If there's a car 200 yards in front of you in the middle lane, you certainly have enough space to undertake someone in the right hand lane, but at the same time, if you're in the right hand lane and there's a car 200 yards in front of you in the middle lane, you would just stay in the right hand lane instead of moving to the middle and then moving back to the right in 6 or 7 seconds time when you have caught up with the slower car in the middle lane, no?
>> No. 4209 Anonymous
26th August 2018
Sunday 12:20 am
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>>4208
Depends on the speed involved. If we assume you're doing 90 and that car is doing 70, then you're going to catch it in around 22 seconds. If you can't complete an overtaking manoeuvre in 45 seconds you really shouldn't be on the road.
>> No. 4210 Anonymous
26th August 2018
Sunday 1:21 am
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>>4209

But is it better to move into the middle lane knowing you'll need to move back to the right in 22 seconds, or just stay in the right hand lane?
>> No. 4211 Anonymous
26th August 2018
Sunday 6:44 am
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I'm in the US at the minute and nobody gives a shit about underatking.
>> No. 4212 Anonymous
26th August 2018
Sunday 7:03 am
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>>4211
Californians especially cannot drive for shit. Nobody lets anyone else in, because they want to get to their destination first, but they don't realise if everyone does that then nobody gets anywhere.

It makes sense, their driving tests basically boil down to "don't crash a car for 10 minutes".
>> No. 4213 Anonymous
26th August 2018
Sunday 8:08 am
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>>4210
Yes. Just change lane to default to the left at all times. It's not a big scary thing.
(I think that my threshold is around 3-5 seconds. )
>> No. 4214 Anonymous
26th August 2018
Sunday 8:59 am
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>>4211
Driving is substantially about politeness and a shared set of rules., so everyone can (mostly) get where they're going.
Our rules say 'no undertaking, stay left', which works pretty well until someone thinks they're so special they don't need to pull back left after an overtake.
>> No. 4215 Anonymous
26th August 2018
Sunday 11:12 am
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>>4213

Alright mate, enjoy your constant weaving.
>> No. 4216 Anonymous
26th August 2018
Sunday 11:55 am
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>>4210
Why are you scared of changing lanes? Were you touched in a bad place by a white line as a child?
>> No. 4217 Anonymous
26th August 2018
Sunday 11:59 am
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>>4216

It just doesn't seem useful or correct to move back into the middle lane every 20 or so seconds, when you can clearly see a line of cars in the middle lane ahead of you. Why not just keep overtaking them in the right hand lane until you've passed them all?
>> No. 4218 Anonymous
26th August 2018
Sunday 12:06 pm
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>>4217
It's fine as long you're not holding up traffic, and being undertaken is a good sign of that.
>> No. 4219 Anonymous
26th August 2018
Sunday 12:40 pm
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>>4218

Or at 90mph it's a good sign of someone behind being impatient and unreasonable.

I don't like the victim blaming culture that's developed here
>> No. 4220 Anonymous
26th August 2018
Sunday 2:12 pm
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>>4219
You're not a fucking victim, m7.
>> No. 4221 Anonymous
26th August 2018
Sunday 2:13 pm
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>>4220

That's very empowering, thank you.

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