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>> No. 4657 Anonymous
23rd January 2022
Sunday 1:18 pm
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What do you lads make of the changes to the Highway Code?
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>> No. 4658 Anonymous
23rd January 2022
Sunday 1:19 pm
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>> No. 4659 Anonymous
23rd January 2022
Sunday 1:50 pm
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It's nice that cyclists have slightly more rights, when we are the lepers of transport and not welcome anywhere, but I don't expect to see much of a change. Most drivers don't want to run you over, and most cyclists and pedestrians aren't willing to risk their lives to prove a point.

Personally, I would like to see a bit more clarification of the existing rules for going straight ahead on a roundabout. If lots of cars are driving on a road, then the cyclist (me) will be on the left, near the kerb, in accordance with the rules. On the roundabout, I keep going, with the cars, but I don't turn left. I am in the right place, according to the rules, to keep going. And yet it happens to me regularly that some fucking idiot simpleton retard floors the accelerator and speeds in front of me to turn left, or even worse, slams on the brakes and honks at me for having the audacity not to also be turning left, which I wasn't indicating to do. Also, left is a motorway, where bikes aren't allowed anyway. Obviously the fact I wasn't indicating left means nothing, because many road-users of all varieties don't indicate when they plan to turn, but some drivers are just feral mongs. I don't think these rule changes, which all look like common sense to me, will aid that subset of thick motorists to grow a brainstem. So what's the point?
>> No. 4660 Anonymous
23rd January 2022
Sunday 2:56 pm
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Yeah, see, it sort of looks like I'm being asked to swing out in front of faster vehicles to make sure they know I'm there, which sounds a bit mental on the face of it. I'm sure there's more to it than this Daily Mail graphic is letting on, but I don't really trust any drivers as things stand so I keep as far away as possible whenever I can.

Also, why did I think this "new" hierarchy of road users already existed?
>> No. 4661 Anonymous
23rd January 2022
Sunday 3:00 pm
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First I've heard of it ladchap.
>> No. 4662 Anonymous
23rd January 2022
Sunday 3:02 pm
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>>4660
The graphic has been around for a month or two, to give everyone time to get accustomed to the new rules. But there haven't been any proper announcements, really; no government adverts on TV or anything.
>> No. 4663 Anonymous
23rd January 2022
Sunday 3:17 pm
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Mostly common sense if you think about it.
The only thing I don't particularly like is the change to give way to pedestrians when turning. I think it creates an onus to shift blame onto the driver when the pedestrian stepped out into a road without looking, something that happens very often now when everyone's staring down at a phone.

>And yet it happens to me regularly that some fucking idiot simpleton retard floors the accelerator and speeds in front of me to turn left, or even worse, slams on the brakes and honks at me for having the audacity not to also be turning left
I think the changes to the highway code are definitely on your side here.
Personally when I'm cycling straight across on a roundabout, I always carefully move out into the middle of the lane before the junction, both to show I'm going straight on and to physically block cars behind me from pulling that trick. That seems to be the type of thing the highway code is now actively encouraging.
As that graphic says there has never been a rule about positioning for cyclists, but a lot of the time cyclists end up putting themselves in more danger by sticking in the gutter all the time.
>> No. 4664 Anonymous
23rd January 2022
Sunday 3:20 pm
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>>4657
Another part is recommending we use the Dutch Reach when opening a car door - it's a good idea, but will take a while to catch on I think.
>> No. 4665 Anonymous
23rd January 2022
Sunday 4:06 pm
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>>4663
>The only thing I don't particularly like is the change to give way to pedestrians when turning.
So you've stopped at the junction, you're indicating to turn, you look at the pavement and there's a bloke standing there looking at his phone, and he may or may not be about to step into the street.

In your mind, the appropriate reaction is to think "well, it's perfectly safe for me to turn now, and if he gets hit that's his own fault"?
>> No. 4666 Anonymous
23rd January 2022
Sunday 4:11 pm
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>>4664

>Dutch Reach

I'm having a hard time imagining this isn't just a euphemism for a reach-around.
>> No. 4667 Anonymous
23rd January 2022
Sunday 4:54 pm
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>>4665
> In your mind, the appropriate reaction is to think "well, it's perfectly safe for me to turn now, and if he gets hit that's his own fault"?
Yes, he's standing. If he were moving then it'd be different.
>> No. 4668 Anonymous
23rd January 2022
Sunday 5:15 pm
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>>4660

>Yeah, see, it sort of looks like I'm being asked to swing out in front of faster vehicles to make sure they know I'm there, which sounds a bit mental on the face of it.

It's covered at length in John Franklin's Cyclecraft, but the basic principle is that your primary road position should take up the full width of the lane, following the track of the offside wheels of four-wheeled vehicles. As a courtesy to other drivers you can adopt secondary position (nearer to the kerb but still leaving you adequate room to manoeuvre) whenever you judge that it would be safe to pass you.

Less experienced cyclists are afraid of holding up traffic and being honked at, but at least that means you've been seen. Riding in the gutter invites drivers to squeeze past you rather than making a proper overtake and it takes away your exit route if they pass too close. You shouldn't hold up traffic for no good reason, but you shouldn't put yourself at risk either.
>> No. 4669 Anonymous
23rd January 2022
Sunday 5:19 pm
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>>4668
That's the same rules when on a motorcycle. You take "primary" (just left of right quad wheel lane) whenever possible. It's the human on the machine that matters, so whatever makes the numb nuts cager realise it is the correct move.
>> No. 4670 Anonymous
23rd January 2022
Sunday 5:57 pm
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>>4665
What if you stop your car, he stands still for a whole minute and there's a queue of cars behind you, then you finally decide to start moving just at the very second he steps out in front of you.

>Riding in the gutter invites drivers to squeeze past you rather than making a proper overtake and it takes away your exit route if they pass too close.
This.
As a gutter-rider in a past life there have been times when I've been cycling, and a car or van has tried to overtake at the exact moment as going through a chicane or a pedestrian refuge island and nearly made me shit myself.
Riding in the centre stops that.
>> No. 4671 Anonymous
23rd January 2022
Sunday 9:14 pm
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>>4666

When do we ever use "Dutch" as a prefix for something that isn't dirty as fuck, though? Dutch Angle = upskirt view, Dutch Oven = farting in bed (and throwing the covers over your head for a good sniff) - they're worse than us!
>> No. 4672 Anonymous
23rd January 2022
Sunday 11:23 pm
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>>4670
This is becoming an increasingly unlikely set of circumstances, but regardless, why would you start moving when you aren't sure if he's seen you or not? What is your horn for?
>> No. 4673 Anonymous
23rd January 2022
Sunday 11:50 pm
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>>4671
"Dutch courage" is the only non-negative one I can think of.
>> No. 4674 Anonymous
24th January 2022
Monday 12:17 am
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I think I'm going to just start putting Dutch in front of random words to make it sound seedy.

When you think about it, is there any country that gets used as a prefix the way Dutch does? It's like they have a bad reputation. No wonder they changed their name to Holland.
>> No. 4675 Anonymous
24th January 2022
Monday 12:36 am
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They will have developed during the Anglo-Dutch wars. And "Dutch courage" is meant to be pejorative.
>> No. 4676 Anonymous
29th January 2022
Saturday 12:49 pm
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Are two-wheeled menaces driving you up the wall?
>> No. 4677 Anonymous
29th January 2022
Saturday 1:28 pm
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>>4676
Comments just copping to the fact that lots of drivers react like nutters to the slightest perceived hinderance, ace.
>> No. 4678 Anonymous
29th January 2022
Saturday 3:21 pm
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>>4676

It's always a bit chilling just how angry people get with cyclists, they seem to actually want us to die. This stance seems unique to the UK. And their main argument is the completely incorrect assertion that drivers pay for the roads and cyclists don't. It's quite fun to ask people who say that if they hate sharing the road with cars with £0 'road tax'.
>> No. 4679 Anonymous
29th January 2022
Saturday 5:35 pm
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>>4678
Just me making a post that will be invisible to the cycle-lads.
>> No. 4680 Anonymous
30th January 2022
Sunday 2:57 pm
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>>4679
I think what you're showing is, it says you can't go left, but every cyclist knows you can just pop on that pavement, cut the corner a little bit, and head off left down that road as you like. Isn't it?

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