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>> No. 21124 Anonymous
29th January 2020
Wednesday 6:15 pm
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>ITV News presenter Alastair Stewart is stepping down from his role following what ITN called "errors of judgment in Alastair's use of social media".

>In a statement, the veteran broadcaster, 67, said: "It was a misjudgement which I regret." ITN said he had breached editorial guidelines, but did not elaborate on the reasons for his departure.

>The newsreader's Twitter account has now been deactivated.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-51300799

What's he done? He's either offended some group or been caught trying to shag a young lass.
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>> No. 21125 Anonymous
29th January 2020
Wednesday 6:43 pm
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Called a black guy an ape via a Shakespeare reference, it would seem.
>> No. 21126 Anonymous
29th January 2020
Wednesday 6:45 pm
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>>21124
Stop reading the cocktease BBC who'll give you half a neutered story and read a proper news outlet like the Daily Mail.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7943667/Alastair-Stewart-steps-ITV-News-presenting-duties.html
>> No. 21127 Anonymous
29th January 2020
Wednesday 7:16 pm
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Sounds like nothing to me.
>> No. 21128 Anonymous
29th January 2020
Wednesday 7:32 pm
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>>21127

Seems contextual. I doubt he was using his wit in this context rather than make a veiled racist statement. I don't think this is like Danny Baker where people projected onto him their insecurities through multiple assumptions in bad faith.
>> No. 21129 Anonymous
29th January 2020
Wednesday 7:34 pm
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>>21126
Had a look on Twitter. It appears that he uses this quote often.

What an absolute load of nothing to lose his job over, especially given the prominence of Piers Morgan on ITV.
>> No. 21130 Anonymous
29th January 2020
Wednesday 7:37 pm
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>>21128
It's racist to not be able to call a black man an ape, if it's ok to call a white man an ape. Having different rules for how to treat difference races is racist.
>> No. 21132 Anonymous
29th January 2020
Wednesday 7:49 pm
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>>21129

>>21128 I would like to reconsider my position given this additional evidence.

>>21130
I wish you were as naive as you are prending to be. But cultural context matters.
>> No. 21133 Anonymous
29th January 2020
Wednesday 7:57 pm
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>>21129

So... you can lose your job now for quoting Shakespeare?
>> No. 21134 Anonymous
29th January 2020
Wednesday 8:08 pm
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>>21133
It appears so.
>> No. 21135 Anonymous
29th January 2020
Wednesday 8:15 pm
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>>21132

>But cultural context matters.

Let's assume for the sake of argument that you are correct about this.

To what extent do you feel that it is necessary we reach a point where cultural context doesn't matter, allowing us to apply the same standard regardless of the direction of discrimination?

I feel that we must at least strive towards that goal, or else we will never actually eliminate the concepts behind discrimination. I'm thinking of the Star Trek episode where Abraham Lincoln calls Uhura a negress, and she's not offended because racism has finished already so she's just like "wot m8".
>> No. 21136 Anonymous
29th January 2020
Wednesday 8:20 pm
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>>21135
>To what extent do you feel that it is necessary we reach a point where cultural context doesn't matter, allowing us to apply the same standard regardless of the direction of discrimination?

The historical context matters greatly. It's not enough to simply say "everyone is equal now", because they're not and that context means we have a structural and historical imbalance to correct.

That point is distinct from why Mr Stewart lost his job. I get the same train (and usually sit in the same carriage/seats) as him, so see him often; he seems like a good person and the quote that was posted by him wasn't racist in the slightest.
>> No. 21137 Anonymous
29th January 2020
Wednesday 8:34 pm
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>>21135

I think what is also becoming lost with today's younger generation is the realisation that works of the past, even if they are racist by today's definition and should rightly not be published in the same way by today's contemporary writers or artists, have their place in the time period that they were created in. By either reciting those works, or by showing old movies or playing old songs, you are not automatically condoning the underlying message of content that is today considered offensive but which was fine when it was created. It's only when you present such content so that it can be taken to mean that you agree with the message as seen through the lens of today's cultural context that it becomes a problem.

Nobody watching the History Channel today will think that they are in favour of, or condoning the mass murder of Jews, even though a good 40 percent of their programming is about WWII and Nazi propaganda.

And nobody watching old Bond movies from the 60s will infer that ITV3 nowadays actively champions misogyny.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIfSQW499Xc
>> No. 21138 Anonymous
30th January 2020
Thursday 7:06 am
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>>21132
Melt.
>> No. 21139 Anonymous
30th January 2020
Thursday 8:07 am
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>>21137
This tangent is somewhat irrelevant, because, while I haven't read the play Stewart was quoting, I highly doubt that in the historical context Shakespeare was calling a black person an ape.
>> No. 21140 Anonymous
30th January 2020
Thursday 9:46 am
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If you're going to quote old literature to be erudite then at least vary it up a little, don't just copy and paste the same quote repeatedly. That just makes you look like a trained monkey.
>> No. 21141 Anonymous
30th January 2020
Thursday 10:33 am
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I thought the racist thing was to call black people monkeys? Is it lost on everyone that it's common to refer to any human as an ape because we are?
>> No. 21142 Anonymous
30th January 2020
Thursday 12:39 pm
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OK lads, so it wasn't just Shakespeare:

https://twitter.com/KateMaltby/status/1222658042082230277
>> No. 21143 Anonymous
30th January 2020
Thursday 12:45 pm
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>>21142
If you lost your job for being a cunt to someone else online we'd all be unemployed.
>> No. 21144 Anonymous
30th January 2020
Thursday 12:54 pm
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>>21143
He said, anonymously.
>> No. 21145 Anonymous
30th January 2020
Thursday 1:02 pm
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>>21144

Honestly the fact that we aren't all anonymous online (i.e. just a username) anymore is the worst thing to happen to the internet and the individual.
>> No. 21146 Anonymous
30th January 2020
Thursday 1:02 pm
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>>21143
We do it anonymously to a bunch of people who are also known cunts. The mods really should try to reach out to smug, miserable, odd-balls like Alastair Stewart, both to boost the site numbers and save them from themselves.*

*I don't care about and have not followed this story so if I've said something wrong I don't care again. What a cunt.
>> No. 21147 Anonymous
30th January 2020
Thursday 1:03 pm
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>>21144
Well, yeah. I don't want to be dolescum.
>> No. 21148 Anonymous
30th January 2020
Thursday 1:05 pm
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>>21146
>The mods really should try to reach out to smug, miserable, odd-balls like Alastair Stewart, both to boost the site numbers and save them from themselves.

We should get the lad who catches the same train to drop him our calling card.
>> No. 21149 Anonymous
30th January 2020
Thursday 2:04 pm
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>>21148
Problem is I don’t think Stewart’s catching anymore trains.
>> No. 21150 Anonymous
30th January 2020
Thursday 3:52 pm
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Why can't i be coolest monkey in the jungle, mum?
>> No. 21151 Anonymous
30th January 2020
Thursday 5:05 pm
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Feel like the winners of the Culture Wars should have been decided by the judges about five years ago, but here we are.
>> No. 21152 Anonymous
30th January 2020
Thursday 5:50 pm
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>>21142
Ended up on this from Maltby's Twitter. What have I missed about Prince William?
>> No. 21153 Anonymous
30th January 2020
Thursday 5:55 pm
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Oh, it's about his alleged affair which is allegedly the reason he fell out with Prince Harry.
>> No. 21154 Anonymous
30th January 2020
Thursday 6:10 pm
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>>21145

I think this is partly why I've become more open about being a furfag over the years. I dreaded being found out at all ten years ago, but as the boundary between IRL identities and online accounts has eroded, I've leaned into it as a full time alter-ego.

Most people on Twitter and the like have nothing to hide behind, whereas I'm an anthropomorphic fox with a guro fetish, so debating opponents find it much harder to contextualise my vexing political arguments if they're looking for an easy ad-hom.
>> No. 21155 Anonymous
30th January 2020
Thursday 7:14 pm
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>>21145

> the fact that we aren't all anonymous online (i.e. just a username) anymore is the worst thing to happen to the internet

Quite. I still remember days when the average Internet user's mention of his own actual name was tucked away on some third-rate Geocities or Angelfire page that AltaVista struggled to even find.

I remember one time circa 1998 when as a younglad, I was sitting in an Internet café, and in came three pseudo intellectual looking late 20s, early 30s women, whose tech illiteracy was immediately apparent, and who said to the waiter/admin, "We would like to communicate with (sic!) someone in Peru. Will that be possible?". Techlad was perplexed by the question, and the three women then elaborated that apparently he was some sort of acquaintance from social science at uni, but they didn't know for sure where exactly in Peru he was. This was before social media, and instant messaging was also still in its infancy, let alone Skype or webcams, and techlad tried to find Peruvian socialsciencelad on a search engine, but to no avail, and had to tell them that without more definite info about Peruvianlad, it was kind of hopeless. This, in turn, baffled the three women, and it really seemed to blow their mind that although the Internet was supposed to be this magical new place where you could "communicate" instantly with people on the other side of the globe, then again, you could not, if you didn't precisely know where and how to find them.
>> No. 21159 Anonymous
30th January 2020
Thursday 10:21 pm
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Turns out this Shapland guy is just one of those guys that hate white people and see racism in EVERYTHING but can't see he's a racist cunt himself.
>> No. 21160 Anonymous
31st January 2020
Friday 2:35 am
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>>21159
Obvious dredging is ... well, obvious.
>> No. 21161 Anonymous
31st January 2020
Friday 6:48 am
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>>21159
> Turns out this Shapland guy is just one of those guys that hate white people and see racism in EVERYTHING but can't see he's a racist cunt himself.

When all you have is a hammer...
>> No. 21162 Anonymous
31st January 2020
Friday 8:23 am
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>ITN has emphasised that veteran newsreader Alastair Stewart left the broadcaster over multiple “errors of judgment” in his use of social media – rather a single incident – after supporters of the presenter turned on an individual they blamed for his departure.

>Stewart resigned on Wednesday, three weeks after he sent a tweet to a black man including the term “angry ape”. The message, quoting the Shakespeare play Measure for Measure, was sent to political adviser Martin Shapland during a disagreement between the two.

>However, an ITN source said: “It was never about a single tweet, it was always errors plural.” They added: “When we received the original complaint we contacted Martin Shapland and gave him notice of our statement and have been continuing to be in contact with him.”

>At the same time staff at ITN, which produces the news output for ITV, Channel 4 and Channel 5, have increasingly come out in support of Stewart and called for him to be reinstated. Many claimed that management had been looking for an excuse to get rid of the longstanding news anchor, who was presenting fewer shows.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/jan/30/alastair-stewart-itv-departure-regrettable-twitter-row-martin-shapland

Alastair Stewart: The man addicted to cunt-offs.
>> No. 21167 Anonymous
31st January 2020
Friday 5:24 pm
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>>21162
Celebrity cunt offs must be one of the most intense blood sports known to man. If you're seen to back down all the other celebrities will take the right piss at the next eyes-wide-shut multidimensional lizard sex orgy, but on the other hand if you take things too far you could see your whole career fucked right into the nearest skip.
>> No. 21168 Anonymous
31st January 2020
Friday 5:27 pm
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>>21167
Wonder if anyone here has ever been in an online cunt-off with a famous person . I've had a few debates with Grauniad columnists BTL but that doesn't really count.
>> No. 21169 Anonymous
31st January 2020
Friday 5:33 pm
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>>21168

I managed to get blocked by Frankie Boyle. Considering the "hard case Glaswegian" image he likes to put on he's about as emotionally robust as Stephen Fry on a wet Wednesday in Milton Keynes.
>> No. 21170 Anonymous
31st January 2020
Friday 5:33 pm
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>>21168

Robert Llewellyn called me a prick once about ten years ago, but I've deleted all my old tweets and I've got no idea why. I can only imagine that I said something rude about Spare Head 3. Equally mysterious is why I'm blocked by Jon Ronson.
>> No. 21171 Anonymous
31st January 2020
Friday 5:38 pm
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>>21170

You had a few cans of 'spesh and had a teary at him because Back To Earth was shite, didn't you?
>> No. 21173 Anonymous
31st January 2020
Friday 6:48 pm
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>>21168
Some published writer I've never heard of blocked me for daring to suggest that Swinson publicly shitting on Corbyn might have contributed to Labour declining to do a deal with the Lib Dems.
>> No. 21174 Anonymous
31st January 2020
Friday 7:36 pm
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>>21173
Ever since Clegg got Brown to stand down it seems to have become a tradition for the Lib Dem leader to say they can't work with the Labour leader.
>> No. 21175 Anonymous
31st January 2020
Friday 7:39 pm
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>>21169
People who whinge-brag about being blocked by folk on Twitter are sickos.
>> No. 21176 Anonymous
31st January 2020
Friday 7:54 pm
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Why is it considered acceptable to snitch to someone's employer on twitter?
>> No. 21177 Anonymous
31st January 2020
Friday 7:58 pm
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I am disgusted.
>> No. 21178 Anonymous
31st January 2020
Friday 8:09 pm
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>>21176
Attempting to ruin someone's life is seen as an acceptable part of online shaming.
>> No. 21180 Anonymous
31st January 2020
Friday 9:19 pm
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>>21176
I think the kids call it "cancel culture".
>> No. 21181 Anonymous
31st January 2020
Friday 10:21 pm
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>>21178

>Attempting to ruin someone's life is seen as an acceptable part of online shaming

And for the most selfish of reasons. Just because somebody offended your really quite often bigoted and narrow-minded world view by throwing a wry Twitter remark out there that you and a mob of 20 others disagree with, and which may or may not have been ever so mildly in bad taste, doesn't give you the right to put that person out of a job.

Even if somebody tweets something really quite bad like Fuck all darkie poofs, burn eskimos at the stake and put women back in the kitchen where they belong, at the end of the day, somebody who tweets that may be a horribly failed person, let alone the fact that he'll break half a dozen anti-discrimination laws, but he still has a right to be in gainful employment somewhere. Probably not in any kind of capacity where he will reflect badly on his employer and have much to do with customers.

But if you believe that somebody who's said something that's either admittedly horribly wrong on many levels, or something that just plain offends your own temperamental sensibilities forfeits his right to eke out a living, then that person isn't the only one who needs their head examined.

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