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>> No. 5883 Anonymous
6th April 2011
Wednesday 5:52 pm
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Why do a lot of people seem to rave about Nando's?

My friends think I'm a freak because I very rarely eat Subway or Nando's; as far I can tell it's just, not especially good quality, grilled chicken that has been marinated in peri-peri sauce. Am I missing something here?
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>> No. 12481 Anonymous
9th April 2018
Monday 2:15 pm
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>>12480

Seconded. It's nothing special, but it's cheap and satisfactory. Where else can you get a full English and a mug of tea with free refills for less than a fiver?
>> No. 12482 Anonymous
9th April 2018
Monday 6:13 pm
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>>12480
> Why eo other similar pubs struggle with this when it's basically all pre-made anyway?

Marston's are alright. That's about it for decent pub chain alternatives to Spoons.
>> No. 12483 Anonymous
9th April 2018
Monday 8:02 pm
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>>12480
>I could do far worse than a Spoons burger
Not really. It's McDonald's and then that's it.
>> No. 12484 Anonymous
9th April 2018
Monday 8:33 pm
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>>12483
What say you of black pudding as a burger topping?
>> No. 12485 Anonymous
9th April 2018
Monday 8:43 pm
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>>12480

>Why eo other similar pubs struggle with this when it's basically all pre-made anyway?

It comes down to the fact that even in bulk, food is not that profitable. You need pub food prices to be low or nobody will touch it anyway - yet even proper restaurants selling you a burger for 15 quid aren't making massive profit.

Your next problem is competent staff. It's a challenge to find cooks that keep the place legal, that's still a lot of responsibility even if you're reheating stuff, and if they fuck anything up (burning bread, not rotating stuff properly, etc) then your already tight margins are even less realistic. Finding people willing to do all that (plus keeping the place clean - EHO is tough) for seven quid an hour is a major weak point, and paying more for better people is right back to square one.

The next issue is designing a menu that caters to a wide variety of people - majority of people eat in groups, even in pubs. So if you don't have a good veggie option, healthy option, few burgers, salad, sharing platters, nachos, a curry, fish and chips, a pie, etc etc etc, then you'll lose trade simply by people going somewhere else to eat because Fiona needs a gluten free veggie thing and so on. - But a broad menu means more space required, better operating procedures, the problem of wastage is still there - not everything can be frozen indefinitely, especially if you want fast service. So you lose money every week just by offering items people don't order. And with a chain it's even worse - your menu is the same everywhere, but your pubs will always be serving different people. London customers as a whole want something different to Yorkshire ones, and so on, so the entire thing becomes an exercise in risk mitigation.

There aren't many pubs that make money from food, if any. It's there to bring people in, and the alcohol is very profitable so it makes up for it. Wetherspoons does well with food, and their massive menu, because they can afford to make losses, as the bar is making money hand over fist, plus the economies of scale add up for such a juggernaut. They make up such a large portion of trade for industrial food manufacturers that they can play them against each other and potentially drive costs up for the rest of the industry.
>> No. 12486 Anonymous
9th April 2018
Monday 8:58 pm
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>>12485
>The next issue is designing a menu that caters to a wide variety of people

I reckon the reason is simple; kids. Whilst Spoons has a children's menu you'll never go to a pub with a soft play area inside whereas most other chains seem to be aimed squarely at families.

The simple fact is that kids ruin everything. Spoons may have its fair share of no-hopers who have been drinking quietly since 10am on a weekday, but they're not going to ruin the ambience in the same way as a swarm of screaming snotbags.
>> No. 12487 Anonymous
11th April 2018
Wednesday 12:53 pm
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>>12485
So what you're saying is, every time I go to Spoons for food and don't order any alcohol, they are making a loss? Excellent.
>> No. 12488 Anonymous
11th April 2018
Wednesday 1:17 pm
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>>12487
You need to not order any drinks at all. The soft stuff in particular is probably the most profitable item they sell. £2 a pint at a cost of pennies.
>> No. 12489 Anonymous
11th April 2018
Wednesday 4:43 pm
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>>12487

If anyone is making profit from food, it's Spoons. I bet their best sellers are engineered to make money.

You'd have to buy about 30 fish and chips to offset the profit they make from five or six pints, mind.
>> No. 12490 Anonymous
11th April 2018
Wednesday 5:35 pm
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>>12489

Most pubs use booze as a loss-leader for food sales, yet Wetherspoons still manage to undercut them on both. Their economies of scale must be incredible.
>> No. 12491 Anonymous
11th April 2018
Wednesday 5:46 pm
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>>12490

I know they have their own warehouses and distribution network, so they can buy product whenever it's the cheapest and store it for considerable amounts of times.

I sort of want to work for them just to see it from the inside.
>> No. 12492 Anonymous
11th April 2018
Wednesday 8:11 pm
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One other thing I've remembered about Farmhouse Inns, most of the kids (at least the ones being shouted at by their parents), had double-barrelled names like Lexi-Mae or Kacey-Jo.
>> No. 12493 Anonymous
11th April 2018
Wednesday 9:44 pm
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>>12492
hah!
>> No. 12494 Anonymous
12th April 2018
Thursday 1:49 am
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>>12485
> There aren't many pubs that make money from food, if any. It's there to bring people in, and the alcohol is very profitable so it makes up for it.

Well I'm a total prat because I've been telling people for years that it's the opposite; you can get a 4 person family fed and watered (1 meal and 2 drinks each) and back out the door and the table clear in an hour while an old mooch like me will take up an entire table for eight hours and only do eight pints.

Then again I was always told that pubs were barely breaking even on the booze, so - again - who knows. Bloke who told me this worked for Punch Taverns if that means anything.
>> No. 12495 Anonymous
12th April 2018
Thursday 1:10 pm
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>>12494
Wetherspoons buys all it’s alcohol just as it is about to “expire” at a reduced rate because they know they’ll shift it quick.
>> No. 12496 Anonymous
12th April 2018
Thursday 1:20 pm
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>>12495

If this connected to why sometimes you'll go in on a Sunday morning / lunch and all they'll have on tap is fucking Carling? They've bought the whole weekend's lot short dated and run out a bit quicker than they expected?
>> No. 12498 Anonymous
12th April 2018
Thursday 1:32 pm
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>>12494

Tied and tenanted publicans have been complaining for years that they can't make a profit on their beer sales, hence the massive number of pub closures and the huge shift towards food sales.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-30114911
>> No. 12527 Anonymous
22nd May 2018
Tuesday 7:50 pm
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This evening I had my first experience of Frankie and Benny's in well over a year.

The first thing that struck me was the music. Instead of the usual Motown and Rat Pack hits that you associate with Frankie and Benny's they were playing the likes of Justin Timberlake and Ed Sheeran. The second thing that struck me was how empty it was inside. When we arrived there was only one other party eating and a couple of men propping up the bar; why you'd spend hours drinking in a Frankie and Benny's when there's a number of decent pubs within walking distance is absolutely beyond me. There were more staff than customers. The third thing that struck me was that they've changed the menu. They've taken off the two things that I actually didn't mind eating there; the bacon steaks, i.e. gammon, and the Cajun burger.

I went for their fixed price menu, which offers two courses for £9.99. For the starter I went for 'Meatballs Italiano' which consisted of five meatballs of the strangest density I've ever encountered; if I'd thrown them on the floor then I'm almost certain they'd have bounced up to the ceiling. They were served in a 'Neapolitan tomato sauce' which had been nuked to the point of crusting to the sides of the bowl it was served in. I didn't even know it was possible to burn a sauce but they'd pulled it off.

For the main course I went for their cheeseburger. The meat itself was actually nice but would have considerably benefitted from being grilled. However that's a largely moot point to make because it was drowned in so much barbecue sauce to the point of being almost inedible. The cheese was 'Monterey Jack', which is one of those American cheeses which don't really melt, don't really taste of anything and are vaguely reminiscent of plastic. The chips were alright, though, even if some were served in mugs for whatever reason; I'd imagine that the wonks in charge have decided to start following a trend several years after everyone else has grown tired of it.
>> No. 12528 Anonymous
22nd May 2018
Tuesday 9:22 pm
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>>12498
Greene King are meant to be one of the worst for putting a huge markup on their tied pubs. Their beer's not even that great either.
>> No. 12529 Anonymous
22nd May 2018
Tuesday 9:24 pm
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>>12527
Last time I went to Frankie and Benny's I had their maccaroni-cheese calzone. Total carb overload, couldn't finish it but at least it was memorable.
>> No. 12530 Anonymous
23rd May 2018
Wednesday 4:17 am
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>>12527>>12529

The last time I went to Frankie and Benny's the server forgot to put our order in for over an hour while we just sat there like fucking melons. I was only there because the local 'spoons had been shut down by the progressive Labour council and the only place serving pints within walking distance was this fucking shithole F&B. Fucking London.
>> No. 12531 Anonymous
23rd May 2018
Wednesday 7:02 am
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>>12530
Did you at least get the meal for free because of it?
>> No. 12532 Anonymous
23rd May 2018
Wednesday 10:24 am
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>>12530
I doubt there's a single place in London where there aren't at least five pubs within walking distance, you fat lump.
>> No. 12533 Anonymous
23rd May 2018
Wednesday 12:06 pm
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>>12532

You don't know London that well then. There's a whole stretch of the Finchley Road where there are no pubs from the North Star almost at swiss cottage all the way up to the Garden Gate in Golders Green. Nearby West Hampstead is devoid of pubs and full of poxy wine bars and Restaurants where you can oxymoronically buy mediocre "Street Food", but you need to venture down to Kilburn to really find a decent set of pubs.
>> No. 12534 Anonymous
25th May 2018
Friday 6:46 pm
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Cineworld has changed their partner restaurants for Unlimited subscribers, so now I can't get 25% off F&B and Pizza Hut any more and they're changing it to 6 restaurants that don't exist in my town. However, Nandos apparently honour it despite not being officially affiliated so I'll probably start eating there and I'm not sure how I feel about it.
>> No. 12535 Anonymous
25th May 2018
Friday 7:02 pm
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>>12534

Nandos is certainly a lot better than Frankie and Benny's.

Haven't ever had Pizza Hut so I can't comment on that, but even a shite pizza is pretty good so perhaps that's a shame.
>> No. 12536 Anonymous
25th May 2018
Friday 7:24 pm
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>>12535
Pizza Hut have a free salad bar, so you can fill up on salad and ask for your pizza to be boxed up. Two meals for the price of one.
>> No. 12537 Anonymous
25th May 2018
Friday 10:49 pm
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>>12535
Pizza Hut has an obnoxious menu, but the free salad bar and the topping selections makes up for it. The Vegi Hot One with chicken is a cracking pizza.

F&B wont be to much of a loss, I suppose. I'll give Nandos a try.
>> No. 12538 Anonymous
25th May 2018
Friday 11:10 pm
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>>12537

As grim as Nandos is as a venue, there's really nothing wrong with chicken and rice, it's a solid meal for sure.
>> No. 12547 Anonymous
24th June 2018
Sunday 7:12 am
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Mrs wanted to go to Wagamama today, so there we went.

The specialty, I was assured, was their ramen dishes. Now, I've always been sceptical of this ramen craze, because I remember being a poorlad. One of my staple meals involved a packet of super noodles, a packet of pre-cooked spicy chicken, some smoked paprika and boiling the kettle.

I found myself paying a tenner yesterday and a high end restaurant for something somehow less flavoursome than my £1.50 Gourmet Super Noodles. For my money, I got a bowl of bland noodles in slightly spicy water with a load of meat and veg dumped on top.

It was nice as an overall meal I suppose, and the sides were delicious. But it stood out to me as one of those things where people are clearly following the herd rather than liking something on its own merits.
>> No. 12548 Anonymous
24th June 2018
Sunday 7:56 am
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>>12547
>Mrs wanted to go to Wagamama today, so there we went.
I didn't realise they did breakfast on a sunday.

Twatishness aside, I've never tried wagamama, but real ramen is wonderful. Even real asian instant ramen like Nissin is much more flavourful than super-noodles.
>> No. 12550 Anonymous
24th June 2018
Sunday 10:20 am
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>>12548

>I haven't tried Wagamama

You haven't tried my Gourmet Super Noodles either. We can thus conclude that this post is 100% pulled out of your arse.

I meant yesterday anyway, I've not slept.
>> No. 12551 Anonymous
24th June 2018
Sunday 10:21 am
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>>12547
Completely agree, it's definitely one of those places people feel they have to like to be cool.

It's not bad, it is in fact quite tasty, but it is nothing special and the price barely justifies it.

That said the service is always quick and friendly and the portion sizes aren't terrible.
>> No. 12552 Anonymous
24th June 2018
Sunday 11:40 am
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>>12547

Their ramen is normally very good*, I don't think I'd be able to call it bland. Either they fucked up your dish or your tastebuds have died. I'd assume the former, but you never know.

*For a high street chain
>> No. 12553 Anonymous
24th June 2018
Sunday 12:14 pm
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>>12552

To be fair I have been a heavy smoker for a lot of years, and my preference has drifted towards only the punchiest of flavours really working for me.

I mean the broth itself was lovely when I drank it at the end, the meat was well cooked and there wasn't excessive green stuff. But it didn't really "stick" to the noodles, it was too subtle to stand out when you had a big mouthful.
>> No. 12554 Anonymous
24th June 2018
Sunday 12:27 pm
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>>12553

I think that just sounds like ramen in general, to be honest, it's always quite a thin broth and often light, even when they make it with pork bones and that.

Fuck, I love ramen though. To each their own, I suppose.
>> No. 12555 Anonymous
24th June 2018
Sunday 12:48 pm
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>>12554
I like ramen pork bones down people's throats, IYKWIM.
>> No. 12556 Anonymous
1st July 2018
Sunday 4:17 pm
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They've removed pasta and cous cous from the salad bar at Pizza Hut in an effort to make people order more food. They've also stopped serving standard Pepsi and 7up as unlimited refillable drinks, so you can only get the likes of Pepsi Max unless you buy a little bottle at extortionate prices, because they're concerned about the amount of sugar they're offering; for the same reason they're now using 'healthier' tortilla chips.
>> No. 12557 Anonymous
1st July 2018
Sunday 4:58 pm
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>>12556
The change on the drinks machine is because of the sugar levy. Taking out the options that attract the levy means they can continue to sell at one price.
>> No. 12558 Anonymous
1st July 2018
Sunday 8:08 pm
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>>12556

If it hadn't been really naff to begin with I might be upset.
>> No. 12559 Anonymous
1st July 2018
Sunday 9:50 pm
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Overpriced shite that cunty millenials eat thinking that they're succesful moving up from KFC and being classy and shit.
>> No. 12560 Anonymous
1st July 2018
Sunday 9:53 pm
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>>12559
Clear off, gammon.
>> No. 12561 Anonymous
1st July 2018
Sunday 10:02 pm
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>>12559

We might have covered this in the last 7 years of this thread.
>> No. 12562 Anonymous
1st July 2018
Sunday 10:38 pm
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>>12560

Build a wall to keep me out then.

(A good day to you Sir!)
>> No. 12563 Anonymous
1st July 2018
Sunday 10:39 pm
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>>12561

WHAT HAVE I BEEN DOING WITH MY LIFE
>> No. 12564 Anonymous
1st July 2018
Sunday 10:53 pm
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>>12563

WHAT HAVE I BEEN DOING WITH YOUR WIFE
>> No. 12565 Anonymous
1st July 2018
Sunday 11:30 pm
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>>12564

WHAT WILL I BE DOING WITH THIS KNIFE
>> No. 12566 Anonymous
2nd July 2018
Monday 12:36 am
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>>12564
>> No. 12568 Anonymous
2nd July 2018
Monday 1:55 am
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>>12562

PURPS BANNED ME NOW DOING LIFE
>> No. 12569 Anonymous
2nd July 2018
Monday 6:52 pm
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>>12568
I'M SMOKING THESE BANANA SKINS THEN GOING TO FIFE.

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