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>> No. 95169 Anonymous
6th January 2022
Thursday 2:04 am
95169 Angela Rayner
Boris is looking completely lost, Keir is a bit of wet rag and I'm unsure of her connections to the Corybnista loonies. But that said, Boris is over and done now - I like her very much, and she will probably be the next Prime Minister and it's going to be fucking awesome.
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>> No. 95170 Anonymous
6th January 2022
Thursday 12:14 pm
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She sold out the left for a hint of power at Keith's side. She's a snake.
>> No. 95171 Anonymous
6th January 2022
Thursday 12:36 pm
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>>95170
The fact the left hate her for this, is quite attractive.
>> No. 95172 Anonymous
6th January 2022
Thursday 12:59 pm
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>>95170
"Sold out the left so she could have more heft with the dominant left wing party" doesn't seem like incisive commentary - are you sure you just don't like her because she doesn't represent what you want Labour to be, or what you think the left should be?

I'm starting to wonder if one of the big factors in the fragmenting of the left wing is how their shared identity seems to be premised on 'I'm not right wing' rather than any sort of actual consistent system of values.
>> No. 95173 Anonymous
6th January 2022
Thursday 1:44 pm
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>>95172

"Not a tory" is basically good enough at this point.
>> No. 95174 Anonymous
6th January 2022
Thursday 1:53 pm
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>>95172
It doesn't make sense to you because you don't appear to see any ideological difference between the Labour establishment and Labour supporters such as >>95170, as per your comment that Labour is "the dominant left wing party".

Post-Corbyn, the Labour machine has pivoted back to bland centrist managerialism. Policies announced at their 2021 conference (based on an article I found from a quick Google) include "scrap unfair business rates", "funding for dementia research", "making work experience compulsory", "new police hubs", "a £35m fund to help British veterans"... how much of this stuff could you honestly say you would never hear coming out of Tory conference?
>> No. 95175 Anonymous
6th January 2022
Thursday 2:50 pm
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>>95174
How are any of those left or right wing policies? My understanding is that cutting business rates would have more of an impact on small businesses (I would like to know more on this if anyone has a breakdown), dementia is both terrible and looking very treatable, as for the others they're just kind of neither here nor there.

>how much of this stuff could you honestly say you would never hear coming out of Tory conference?
Are you suggesting that if the two main parties agree on a policy it might be worse for people than if they disagreed?

Were you expecting more 'free internet' stuff? I'm still pissed at Corbyn for throwing that out at the completely wrong time and feeding into the 'magic money tree' narrative. I mean I would be keen on raised income tax especially at higher brackets, and a new bracket (or two) introduced, so I suppose I see where you're coming from.
>> No. 95176 Anonymous
6th January 2022
Thursday 2:54 pm
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>>95175
>How are any of those left or right wing policies?
Oh, I see.

>It doesn't make sense to you because you don't appear to see any ideological difference between the Labour establishment and Labour supporters
I understand Labour supporters covers a wide range but I don't know what those on the further left expected. If they want a return to the 80's they need to create an Old Labour party, but then that's another fragment. It's been like this for a while now, to the extent that Corbyn and McDonnel would have just fitted right in there.
>> No. 95177 Anonymous
6th January 2022
Thursday 4:39 pm
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My issue with Rayner is that she sounds like she's got a bag of marbles in her mouth when she's talking, so she comes across like a right thicko before you even pay attention to what she's saying (which is generally some poorly articulated nonsense). I'm not a fan of her working class tourettes, either. This is without even mentioning the shoes incident.
>> No. 95178 Anonymous
6th January 2022
Thursday 4:50 pm
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>>95172

>I'm starting to wonder if one of the big factors in the fragmenting of the left wing is how their shared identity seems to be premised on 'I'm not right wing' rather than any sort of actual consistent system of values

Actually, in the bigger picture, it's precisely the opposite of that. When you think about it, what are the values that unite the right? What makes a conservative a conservative, and why is that so likely to make them a Conservative even if they don't necessarily like what the Conservatives are doing? Conservative.

When you really boil it down, the ideological distinction between the left and the right is that of collectivism versus individualism. The right still has its share of factionalism, it's just at the end of the day what they want is quite simple: Less market regulation, less state interference, less taxes, etc. No matter what squabbles they might have over the finer points of the argument, they can all quite easily align around very broad libertarian principles. The specifics don't matter so much because the very goal is to have less policy, not more.

That's precisely why covid has seen the party implode. For the first time in recent memory they have been forced to deal with internal conflicts that can't be compromised over, forced to try and find consensus on things that run contrary to their very fundamental beliefs.

In effect, this is what the left has to deal with all the time. When your ideology is concerned with the state actively taking a role in shaping markets, actively enforcing regulations, and actively influencing the outcomes of people's lives, there's a lot more scope for disagreement. There's a lot more room to argue about how exactly things should be done, there's a lot more scope for disagreement on what should be prioritised and what shouldn't, and there's a lot more scope for those values to be "sold out" and influenced by lobbyists and business interests, etc.

Pulling Labour to the right involves abandoning principles and ideals. Pulling the Tories to the left only means promising to spend a bit more cash up north, which you can easily walk back on later.
>> No. 95179 Anonymous
6th January 2022
Thursday 6:45 pm
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>>95178
>Pulling Labour to the right involves abandoning principles and ideals.
Here's a problem: the left absolutely believe they are fighting for justice and what's right. The right don't see themselves as evil, but they don't have this moral obligation to do one specific thing, and everything else is a deplorable act of wickedness. So the right are less prone to blaming the people alongside them for not being upstanding enough. It's like the left thinks it's Superman, but the right isn't Lex Luthor; it's just Jimmy Olson.
>> No. 95180 Anonymous
6th January 2022
Thursday 7:08 pm
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>>95179

Well, this is why I was quite careful to avoid using value judgements in that post.

It's not really about the right vs wrong of it, how moving towards the centre means becoming more evil or anything; although the true believers on either side certainly see it that way. In the more abstract sense it's just that you're forced to give up an active thing in favour of a more passive not-thing.

Fundamentally it's the difference between progress and change (for better or worse), versus preserving the status quo (for better or worse). Action versus inaction. The morality is all subjective, but that distinction has always been true.
>> No. 95181 Anonymous
7th January 2022
Friday 7:43 pm
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>>95177
>I'm not a fan of her working class tourettes, either. This is without even mentioning the shoes incident.

So what about her taste in shoes, she just has personality that goes beyond that of a career politician.

The problem under labour prior to Kier wasn't that there was anything wrong with the policies, it's that it was being led by people who were as thick as pig shit who've left a permanent taint on real left wing ideologies in this country just through association. Yes Corbyn supported a lot of good causes as a backbench MP and we need more people with his principals in charge of this country, but we definitely don't need someone in charge of the country who barely scraped two grade E A-levels and dropped out of a polytechnic for thinking he knew better than the teachers.
And we don't need someone in charge of the country who can't even manage to dress themselves without putting on two left shoes.
>> No. 95182 Anonymous
7th January 2022
Friday 7:54 pm
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>>95181
>So what about her taste in shoes, she just has personality that goes beyond that of a career politician.

Being a vindictive cunt is not a good personality trait.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/mp-used-house-commons-paper-6794276
>> No. 95222 Anonymous
14th January 2022
Friday 5:59 pm
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People are ‘accent policing’ Angela Rayner – why does this only ever seem to happen to women?

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/angela-rayner-tweets-accent-northern-b1992377.html

Do people really have an issue with her having a Northern accent or is it more to do with the fact she sounds as thick as the "Joris Bohnson" lad?
>> No. 95224 Anonymous
14th January 2022
Friday 6:33 pm
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>>95178

The Tory party is a loose coalition of people with very different ideological positions. There are certainly small-state libertarians, but there are also nationalists, populists and reactionaries. The party is and always has been irreconcilably divided on a multitude of issues; the main thing they have in common is a willingness to work together.

Covid hasn't caused the party to explode. The drawing to a close of Brexit did bring up a lot of internal divisions, but the party is remarkably resilient to that sort of thing. The leadership has collapsed, but that's a very different matter. CCHQ is still in fighting form and they've got half a dozen leadership candidates who could win an election. It doesn't matter which of those people become leader; the party will give them their full support (at least in public) and build a campaign around them.
>> No. 95228 Anonymous
14th January 2022
Friday 8:33 pm
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>>95222
There's something about women's voices in general, I think. I remember having a 1980s voice simulator on the Commodore 64, and the instruction manual explained that the robotic voice was female because women's voices are easier to understand than men's voices. And indeed, all the voices on trains and things are nearly always women. So perhaps it's to do with that. However, I know a soft-spoken Southern lady with a genuinely retarded voice, like she properly goes "duhhhh" when she speaks, and I don't mind her voice because it doesn't really have an accent. Meanwhile, that BBC voiceover woman from Blackburn is fucking awful. Her accent is so deliberate, so forced, so obviously chosen by committee to sound "ordinary" and, most offensively of all, "just like you, you ignorant peasant". I could actually go to Blackburn and never once hear an accent as strong as hers. I hate her.

So it's probably the Northern thing rather than sounding like a moron. But then, I think a few of the posters here type like dickheads with your "cop wor lass's tits, aye" bollocks. Again, if you don't know anyone who talks like that in real life, it sounds so fake.
>> No. 95232 Anonymous
14th January 2022
Friday 10:23 pm
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>>95228
Come to think of it, since I posted this, I have also remembered that I hate Danny Dyer and anyone with too much of a Bristol accent too. So I guess people (=me, the ambassador of all humanity) hate Angela Rayner because she has a strong accent, rather than anything beyond that.
>> No. 95237 Anonymous
14th January 2022
Friday 11:11 pm
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>>95222

My only objection to this is that they have a pretty valid point and then they have to spoil it by going all "Ehhhr but the poooor woeeemmeeenn :( :( :("

Let's say I had a telephone interview, prior to a full interview, with some fancy City of London family company. Do you reckon I'd improve my chances if I covered up my thick Sarf Leeds chav drawl and pretended to be posh? Yes, the answer is definitely and unequivocally yes.
>> No. 95239 Anonymous
15th January 2022
Saturday 2:29 am
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>>95237>>95232
Accent bias is absolutely a thing. Isn't it Brummies who are perceived to be the least intelligent in the UK according to accent bias? Least trustworthy at least.

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/brummie-accent-ranked-least-trustworthy-19204313

>>95222
She's thoroughly up her own arse if she thinks this specific thing is about gender. It's mindboggling that one could even isolate it to that considering how massively obvious it is that 'working class' accents exist and 'northern' accents are looked down on, while RP accents are seen as a mark of quality and intelligence.

It must either be clickbait or complete self absorption.

>So it's probably the Northern thing rather than sounding like a moron. But then, I think a few of the posters here type like dickheads with your "cop wor lass's tits, aye" bollocks. Again, if you don't know anyone who talks like that in real life, it sounds so fake.
I remember the first time I heard a geordie say 'pal', and when I sounded it out it felt so wrong. A few years of living in the area and it's now completely natural and feels normal for me to say.

And you're going to find people hamming it up here, especially now they know you find it annoying.
>> No. 95536 Anonymous
7th April 2022
Thursday 5:37 pm
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>>95228
>"just like you, you ignorant peasant"
This is exactly what I think when I hear diversity hire and appeal-to-pleb broadcasting. There's so much of it on the radio, it's disgusting.
>> No. 95539 Anonymous
7th April 2022
Thursday 11:29 pm
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She has her moments on TV, but she also has a knack for looking particularly fugly in pictures.

Then again, just look at what we're working with.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/439dyd/thank-god-the-uks-sexiest-politicians-list-is-here

Also, for a random assortment of female MPs to click through that you wouldn't fuck with a stolen dick, to quote George Carlin:

http://sexymp.co.uk/index.php?gender=F#vote
>> No. 95540 Anonymous
8th April 2022
Friday 12:23 am
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>>95539
I kept clicking until I had an opportunity to vote for Alison McGovern, which I immediately did. Now that Heidi Allen's gone, though, it's just not the same. Dawn Butler has a certain charm too, but my love for Heidi Allen lasts longer than a single electoral cycle and anyone still on that list can only ever be second-best.
>> No. 95541 Anonymous
8th April 2022
Friday 12:52 am
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>>95540

We need somebody like Rachel Riley as MP.

Or why not actually Rachel Riley herself. She's smart, and that. Not sure how she leans politically, but she would have all the Countdown viewing male OAP demographic voting for her.
>> No. 95542 Anonymous
8th April 2022
Friday 1:55 am
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>>95541

>Not sure how she leans politically

She's a closed book, really.
>> No. 95543 Anonymous
8th April 2022
Friday 4:10 am
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>>95540

Penny Mordaunt is obviously the fittest person in Parliament.
>> No. 95544 Anonymous
8th April 2022
Friday 5:18 am
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>>95543
I've been trying not to jinx her by making her own thread.

I'm from her constituency - she is a fantastic local MP.
>> No. 95545 Anonymous
8th April 2022
Friday 3:11 pm
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>>95542

https://www.influencewatch.org/person/rachel-riley/

Though Riley’s political party membership is unknown and she has stated she has no “party loyalties,”[1] Riley expressed opposition to the Labour Party on social media during Corbyn’s controversial party leadership.[2] The Center for Countering Digital Hate, which lists her as the group’s “patron,” has close ties to the Labour Party and Corbyn’s replacement as party leader, Keir Starmer.[3]


Not really that anti-Labour after all, at second glance.
>> No. 95546 Anonymous
8th April 2022
Friday 4:34 pm
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>>95545
No, I'm fairly sure she was just anti-Corbyn, and specifically because of his apparent jewbashing.
>> No. 95547 Anonymous
8th April 2022
Friday 5:43 pm
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>>95546

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Riley

>Riley’s mother side of the family is Jewish. She stated that, “My family came over in the pogroms” from Tsarist Russia.[31] She is an atheist.

Do lapsed Jews go to hell, like Catholics?
>> No. 95548 Anonymous
8th April 2022
Friday 5:55 pm
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>>95547

To clarify, my own ancestry research has revealed that something like eight generations up my dad's family tree, some of our ancestors were 18th century Jewish merchants in Konigsberg, present-day Kaliningrad. Not much room for wrong guesses when someone's name was something like Jakob or Rahel Rosenthal.

My mum, on the other hand, looks back on half a dozen generations of untainted Yorkie blood.
>> No. 95549 Anonymous
8th April 2022
Friday 6:07 pm
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>>95547
I would like to think so.
>> No. 95550 Anonymous
8th April 2022
Friday 7:46 pm
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>>95547

If they were raised in a practising Jewish community, yes. If they grew up in a secular environment, they are considered a tinok shenishba and are not held responsible for their lack of adherence to Jewish traditions.
>> No. 95551 Anonymous
8th April 2022
Friday 10:59 pm
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>>95550

According to wikipedia, one of them gets off the hook so long as they don't "learn the law" [of Judaism] which means if I try to learn too much about my ancestor's culture I might end up accidentally damning myself. I'll not go to hell, provided I can avoid finding out too much about it. That's some infohazard.
>> No. 95552 Anonymous
8th April 2022
Friday 11:12 pm
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I've always thought the Jewish community could do with being a bit more inclusive, honestly. They do have a long standing issue with gate keeping.

I mean, so far as I know, they're the only major religion where you can't just rock up at Jew Church and say "Hello, I'd like to be a Jew please, can you tell me the rules?", because they'll tell you to fuck off unless your mum was one already, or you married one, or you can somehow prove you have ties to the ancient tribes of Jewdom and have somehow become estranged.

Why do I have to let girls into my Warhammer shop, but they get away with all this?
>> No. 95553 Anonymous
9th April 2022
Saturday 12:20 am
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>>95551
Our lass is Jewish, but her parents are proper California hippies (I am marryingayanklad) so she grew up going to a very reformed temple. The gist of it, or at least her take from that setting, is that as the Jews are god's chosen people, they can do basically whatever they want and not go to hell.

We've some friends who are a lot more proper Jewish and live in a more Jew-heavy area, so they obviously have a wildly different experience. As >>95552 alludes to, it's basically just a well-guarded but pretty advantageous business network in this part of the world.
>> No. 95554 Anonymous
9th April 2022
Saturday 2:11 am
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>>95552

The Jewish position is that righteous gentiles still go to heaven. There's nothing stopping you from converting to Judaism, but there's no imperative to do it either. Jews are god's chosen people in the same sense that a school prefect has been chosen - lots of extra responsibilities with no actual benefits. They're basically god's swots.
>> No. 95555 Anonymous
9th April 2022
Saturday 2:11 am
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>>95554

>They're basically god's swots.

Or perhaps god's simps.
>> No. 95556 Anonymous
9th April 2022
Saturday 3:30 am
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>>95553
Wow these jews sound like great people. I bet everyone loves them
>> No. 95557 Anonymous
9th April 2022
Saturday 12:29 pm
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I thought Jews didn't have heaven, but rather when the messiah comes all the dead Jews will rise from their graves and live an eternal life as skeletons on Jews-only Earth. Having said that, I learned that from a legit neo-Nazi and I haven't independently verified it, but it sounds cool so I'll stick with it.
>> No. 95558 Anonymous
9th April 2022
Saturday 1:19 pm
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>>95552

> because they'll tell you to fuck off unless your mum was one already, or you married one, or you can somehow prove you have ties to the ancient tribes of Jewdom and have somehow become estranged.

Just check your family tree then. Because European Jews became quite widely assimilated from the beginning of Modernity and intermarried with Christians, there's a good chance that some of your ancestors were Jewish.

I sometimes tell people that I'm descended from Jewish merchants, although it was 200 years ago that just one time, one of my direct ancestors married a Jewish merchant's daughter.
>> No. 95559 Anonymous
9th April 2022
Saturday 6:54 pm
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I had a Polish great-grandparent, so that probably counts. When Oberfeldmarschall Truss starts rounding up Labour Party members I could spin that into a one way ticket to Israel, AKA the cradle of tolerance.
>> No. 95632 Anonymous
24th April 2022
Sunday 4:57 pm
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"Look at my fanny."

- Angela Rayner, probably.
>> No. 95633 Anonymous
24th April 2022
Sunday 5:06 pm
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>>95632
They're overthinking it. Boris isn't that hard to distract. The old lad will absolutely shag anything that moves, and a fair few things that don't.
>> No. 95634 Anonymous
24th April 2022
Sunday 5:27 pm
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>>95632
I almost hope she does become Prime Minister now. She's annoying and horrible, but so are many Conservatives, plus at least Angela Rayner might completely ban the Daily Mail forever now that they're publishing invented stories about her probably ginger fanny.

Is "Stone the crows" a pun, by the way? I know it's an expression but it doesn't make any sense to start a headline with it.
>> No. 95635 Anonymous
24th April 2022
Sunday 5:39 pm
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>>95634
>Is "Stone the crows" a pun, by the way? I know it's an expression but it doesn't make any sense to start a headline with it.

Sharon Stone flashes her clopper in Basic Instinct. How that actually works as a pun, I've not got a Scooby-Doo, Where are You?
>> No. 95636 Anonymous
24th April 2022
Sunday 6:09 pm
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>>95633

Everyone's saying that the accusation is misogynist, but I think it's more of a diss to Boris than anything else. He goes on about getting on with the job and Partygate being a needless distraction, but he can be distracted by a flash of gusset. It's one notch above giving him some crayons or jingling your keys at him.

Also I'm now scrolling through old footage of parliament to see if I can catch an eyeful. I'm appalling, but at least I'm not running the country.
>> No. 95637 Anonymous
24th April 2022
Sunday 6:20 pm
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>>95636
Monstrous. You're revolting. Let us know if you find anything.
>> No. 95638 Anonymous
24th April 2022
Sunday 7:29 pm
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>>95637

Best I can find is this rather racy pair of fishnets.


>> No. 95639 Anonymous
24th April 2022
Sunday 11:06 pm
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>>95636
What you describe is precisely what makes it misogynist - it tries to blame a woman for "distracting" a randy bastard with a long string of extramarital affairs.
>> No. 95640 Anonymous
25th April 2022
Monday 12:18 am
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Not being funny lads but if a woman flashed her gash at me I think I'd get pretty distracted. But this is silly without proof.
>> No. 95641 Anonymous
25th April 2022
Monday 12:32 am
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>>95640

I dunno. In the context of a semi-adversarial work meeting, it'd probably not phase me. If it happened in one of our third party provider's SLA review meetings, for example, I honestly think I would just respond with something like "that's a very nice fanny, Samantha, but it doesn't explain why your team has been unable to achieve the agreed target times for unloading during third wave turnarounds"
>> No. 95642 Anonymous
25th April 2022
Monday 1:30 am
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>>95640
I would get hugely distracted if I could actually see it, but when I'm sitting behind a desk, at the length of two outstretched swords from a whole crowd of people, one of whom is wearing a perfectly normal pencil skirt behind the same desk, I would really need to be crouching down and staring intently to even become aware of the possibility of peepable poon or conspicuous clunge.

Angela Rayner needs to get a tattoo on her inner thigh, and then ask Boris what it is. If he can tell her, then fair enough.
>> No. 95643 Anonymous
25th April 2022
Monday 5:40 am
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If there was any justice in the world, Boris would have to do next week's PMQs while staring into Emily Thornberry's winking arsehole.
>> No. 95644 Anonymous
25th April 2022
Monday 1:14 pm
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>>95643
Careful now, the last time (?) he got a show like that it cost the taxpayer millions of pounds.
>> No. 95645 Anonymous
25th April 2022
Monday 1:27 pm
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How do the Conservative Party find a new way to humilate the UK on almost daily basis? It was a Sunday and they still couldn't take a day off from it. Johnson's pyschopathic lying, the Rwanda shite and now this. The PM's barely able to form a full sentence, but those top hat wearing pig fuckers still look down on those they consider untermenschen.
>> No. 95646 Anonymous
25th April 2022
Monday 3:20 pm
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>>95645

>Boris's Oxford Union debating training


>> No. 95647 Anonymous
25th April 2022
Monday 3:22 pm
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>>95646

Also, do they really teach people to just bellow "we're getting on with the job" in response to any question at That Oxford? If I were Stanley Johnson, I'd be asking for a refund.
>> No. 95648 Anonymous
25th April 2022
Monday 5:53 pm
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>>95647
That's the equivalent of postgraduate study. They teach you all the useful methods for intelligently searching for the truth, then on your first day in the House of Commons they order you to forget it all and replace it with a word game where you need to repeat a three-word slogan as many times as possible while talking about something unrelated.

I can't wait till Keir Starmer is Prime Minister. I know absolutely nothing will change in any way, but at least we'll get different charlatans chattering bollocks on the news for once.
>> No. 95649 Anonymous
25th April 2022
Monday 10:07 pm
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>>95648
You'll be waiting a long time. Terrible as it is to say, you just have to listen to his voice to know Special K isn't a contender.
>> No. 95650 Anonymous
25th April 2022
Monday 10:18 pm
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>> No. 95651 Anonymous
25th April 2022
Monday 11:16 pm
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>>95650
As we all know, one of Labour's greatest strengths is converting a marginal opinion poll lead in the middle of the parliament into a working majority come election day.
>> No. 95652 Anonymous
25th April 2022
Monday 11:18 pm
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>>95651
As long as 95% of the British news media don't claim Starmer's an anti-semite for the next eighteen months we've got a chance.
>> No. 95653 Anonymous
25th April 2022
Monday 11:51 pm
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>>95652

Honestly I don't think it was the jewbashing wot done it, the uncouth racist Brexit Norf lot don't care about that do they? Nah, he lost the Red Wall because he flip flopped on Brexit. He should have stuck to his guns instead of letting Bozza get away with an entire campaign of nowt but GET BREXIT DONE. The whole anti-semitism thing was just insurance to make sure middle class home counties lib-dem swing voters didn't defect.

With that said I think the political turbulence of the last ten years is essentially a lanced boil now. If we see a swing to Labour it will be because of the natural cycle of people getting fed up and wanting a change of management. As long as Kier doesn't do or say anything stupid, and shuffles out some of the dickheads from his front bench, he can rely on the image of stable mediocrity to carry him in, as opposed to the tax-dodging law-breaking toffs embroiled in constant scandal.
>> No. 95654 Anonymous
26th April 2022
Tuesday 2:08 am
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>>95653
The turning point for Jezza after he'd started building up momentum was his pro-Putin response to the Salisbury poisonings. He never recovered from that.

Anyway, they're quite clearly targeting Kneel Starmer over his inability to say what a woman is.
>> No. 95655 Anonymous
26th April 2022
Tuesday 2:21 am
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>>95654
Fuck off and die.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/russia-ukraine-war-jeremy-corbyn-right-putin-oligarchs

(A good day to you Sir!)
>> No. 95656 Anonymous
26th April 2022
Tuesday 8:13 am
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>>95655
>Jeremy Corbyn’s reaction to the prime minister’s Russia statement has sparked a Labour party row, as his spokesman questioned the evidence that Moscow was behind the Salisbury attack.

>The Labour leader came in for sustained criticism, including from his own MPs, after he failed to condemn the Kremlin directly for carrying out the poisoning of former Russian spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter, Yulia.

>The row later intensified when Corbyn’s spokesman appeared to compare the evidence for direct Russian involvement, with the shaky case for war in Iraq.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/14/jeremy-corbyn-under-fire-over-response-to-pms-russia-statement

>Mr Corbyn, then Leader of the Opposition, did not echo her in blaming the regime of President Vladimir Putin for the attack, and his official spokesman later drew a comparison with the faulty intelligence that led to the invasion of Iraq.

>Mr Corbyn provoked audible anger from around the House of Commons when he asked Mrs May “how has she responded to the Russian Government’s request for a sample of the agent used in the Salisbury attack to run their own tests”.

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-starmer-contradicted-corbyn-on-the-salisbury-attack

I'm judging Corbyn by his own words. He refused to unequivocally blame Russia. He questioned the British intelligence and his number two likened it to the WMD dossier, with Seamas Milne's views on Russia being well known. He said we should give a sample to Russia for testing.

Like it or not, but being an apologist for Russia did not go down well with the public and that is when he started to run out of the momentum he'd built up after the election against Theresa May.
>> No. 95659 Anonymous
27th April 2022
Wednesday 4:49 pm
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An increasing amount of my idle thoughts are taken up by Angela Rayner's ginger fanny. I'd like to make it clear that I think the honourable lady is a formidable politician, but she also has a minge and I'm daydreaming about it.
>> No. 95660 Anonymous
27th April 2022
Wednesday 5:28 pm
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>>95659
Her hair is luxurious, but her face only looks good from a couple of angles. I'd still let her boil my bunnies.

>>95655
>Fuck off and die.
You're very compassionate.
>> No. 95661 Anonymous
27th April 2022
Wednesday 5:38 pm
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>>95660

She became a grandmother at the age of 37. She is undoubtedly absolutely filthy. For the record, I do not believe that her innate sexual dirtiness in any way diminishes her talents as a politician or her dignity as a human being.
>> No. 95662 Anonymous
27th April 2022
Wednesday 5:48 pm
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>>95661
>She became a grandmother at the age of 37. She is undoubtedly absolutely filthy.
Undeniably so, which more than makes up for her janky face.

>For the record, I do not believe that her innate sexual dirtiness in any way diminishes her talents as a politician or her dignity as a human being.
This place is too small for Poe's Law to take effect, there's no need for the extended '/s'
>> No. 95663 Anonymous
27th April 2022
Wednesday 5:57 pm
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She's just a council estate Hannah Fry.
>> No. 95664 Anonymous
27th April 2022
Wednesday 7:42 pm
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>>95661

>For the record, I do not believe that her innate sexual dirtiness in any way diminishes her talents as a politician or her dignity as a human being.

I quite like this.

It's interesting because you're clearly pre-emptively defending yourself from the accusations of Longstandingissues, but in so doing raise quite a valid philosophical question- When does sexually idealising or objectifying someone actually become bad? We're all human, and that means we're all sexual beings. Surely it's possible to have utterly perverted, filthy fantasies about a person and yet still think they are every bit a talented, intelligent and inspirational individual, otherwise you would never have a romantic partner. That's what love and desire is, really, isn't it.

With that in mind, why is it somehow sexist to fancy a woman? Is it only sexist to express it aloud? Is it because fisherpersons have never experienced true love?
>> No. 95665 Anonymous
27th April 2022
Wednesday 7:59 pm
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>>95664
>why is it somehow sexist to fancy a woman?

u fuckin wot?
>> No. 95666 Anonymous
27th April 2022
Wednesday 8:16 pm
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>>95664
>that means we're all sexual beings
Right there, that's when it became bad. You sound Jim Jones grooming a woman for his inner circle.
>> No. 95667 Anonymous
27th April 2022
Wednesday 8:41 pm
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So anyway if this is the current Politics Thread, what do we reckon of today's allegation of a Tory MP watching porn in the benches? Seems like they just can't keep out of a scandal these days, what on earth is going on with them.

I do find it interesting that the only MPs they've questioned about it are women and it's been framed like watching porn is inherently an affront to women. For all we know it could have been a woman watching two lesbos roger each other with a double ender, or a gay bloke watching two tradies nosh each other off, but you know how it is.

Have you ever watched porn at work? Of course you have, that's all you spent the lockdowns doing isn't it. It's what I spent a good chunk of my night shifts doing. But this is an MP, in a presumably active session. Is watching porn on the job acceptable in that circumstance?
>> No. 95668 Anonymous
27th April 2022
Wednesday 8:42 pm
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>>95667
Seems significantly less important than the whole high court ruling about the care home thing.
https://www.carehome.co.uk/news/article.cfm/id/1669432/government-broke-law-care-homes
>> No. 95669 Anonymous
27th April 2022
Wednesday 8:59 pm
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>>95664

>Is it because fisherpersons have never experienced true love?

Nah, it's just projection. Strident anythingists are rarely multi-talented individuals with delightful personalities and rich personal lives. The people making the most noise about any given issue are usually people with nothing else going on in their lives. Fisherpersons think that men see them as nothing more than tits, fanny and arse because that's how they see themselves.

>>95667
>Is watching porn on the job acceptable in that circumstance?

Definitely not, but I also think we wouldn't be hearing about it if it was a gay bloke. We'd probably be hearing about it if it was a woman, but only in a salacious gossipy way. I'm not bothered about the porn, but I am bothered about a front-bench MP pissing about like they're a bored work experience lad who would rather be anywhere else. It's all rooted in a rather old-fashioned mindset - male sexuality is inherently menacing, women are fragile and need to be shielded from vulgarity etc etc.
>> No. 95670 Anonymous
27th April 2022
Wednesday 11:21 pm
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>>95667
I've been trying to devise a joke about how he was just looking at Angela Rayner, but I haven't been able to think of one. I also suspect that this story is part of The Political Game that they love to play: the Angela Rayner story was brought up so Boris could take a righteous stand and make the Conservatives look great and progressive by denouncing that story, so now Labour have decided to release this story to make them look like filthy degenerates instead.

It's possible that he was just sent a sexy gif in a WhatsApp message or something, and then that wouldn't be bad. But the House of Commons parts of being an MP are the most important parts; that's the one time you absolutely shouldn't be dicking about on your phone for any reason whatsoever. You should be representing your constituents and deciding on laws. Go and watch SSBBW MILFs literally anywhere else, at any other time of the week.
>> No. 95671 Anonymous
27th April 2022
Wednesday 11:44 pm
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>>95670

>Go and watch SSBBW MILFs literally anywhere else, at any other time of the week.

Hang on, what if that MP was just browsing /x/? Do we have a Tory front-bencher in our midst? That would explain a lot TBH.
>> No. 95672 Anonymous
28th April 2022
Thursday 12:10 am
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>>95667
>>95670
You two seem hopelessly naive about this. Politicians not only dick about on their phones as a point of routine but will also fall asleep and absolutely leg it out the chamber once the whip is gone. I think it depends a lot on the context as like >>95671 there has been plenty of times when I've opened my phone browser at work and had this place pop up.
>> No. 95673 Anonymous
28th April 2022
Thursday 1:01 pm
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All the stories are coming out now, and they are clearly being used for political point-scoring. It's offensive. There is another news story today that a Welsh MP has said that a Labour MP made offensive comments to her. The Welsh MP does not want her identity to be made public, nor is she willing to name the Labour MP who has made the offensive comments. But she's happy to say he's from the Labour Party. His identity doesn't matter, but it's vital to say he's Labour. What a suspicious load of bollocks. I can happily accept that he probably did it, but when 56 MPs are currently under investigation for sexism, announcing that one of them is a Labour MP and refusing to give any more detail is just cynical opportunism.
>> No. 95701 Anonymous
29th April 2022
Friday 3:56 pm
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Wankathon's been named, Neil Parish.
>> No. 95702 Anonymous
30th April 2022
Saturday 12:46 am
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>>95701

Yet agasin loads of female MPs on the radio al lafternoon talking about how it's all damning evidence of the atmosphere of sexism in parliament etc etc.

I don't get it. Why is watching porn inherently sexism? The bloke was watching porn on his own phone. Do women not watch porn? Was he holding it up to women's faces with his tongue hanging out while wanking, making noises like Taz the Tasmanian Devil?

Why are all the women MPs that fucking backward Victorian Women's Institute type of fisherperson that acts like women are liable to faint and need waking up with smelling salts if they see a willy? Why do they hate sex and sexuality so much?

Obviously the guy shouldn't have been watching porn in parliament but that's not the issue I'm bothered about here, I just fucking hate this kind of puritan, prudish, dried up old bint more than anything, and they're all coming out of the woodwork over this to try score points.

Is it just me? It can't be just me.
>> No. 95703 Anonymous
30th April 2022
Saturday 1:29 am
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>>95702

>Is it just me? It can't be just me.

It's not just you. Joyless puritanism exists across the political spectrum.

A few years ago when there was a campaign to ban Page 3, I was arguing that they should keep it but have a bloke with his cock out on Page 5 to balance things out. Somehow that would also be misogynist, for reasons I can't begin to understand.

The anti-trans stuff that's kicked off lately is basically just a re-hashing of all the old homophobic stereotypes - it's unnatural, they're all rapists, they're grooming your kids etc. Homosexuality became socially acceptable but only by becoming sexless, only by aping heterosexual norms; the legalisation of gay marriage wasn't a victory for gay people, but the ultimate defeat.

IMO it's just an expression of a timeless authoritarian instinct. Anything enjoyable must be sinful, anything primal must be concealed, anything with innate power must be controlled. The reality of the human condition is so terrifying to some people that they feel an overwhelming need to smother it in the beige nothingness of formality and propriety. God might be dead, but the urge to subsume the human and atone for our original sin is alive and well.

Don't trust anyone who hates boxing, because they really hate themselves.
>> No. 95704 Anonymous
30th April 2022
Saturday 11:08 am
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>>95703

Great post m62.
>> No. 95705 Anonymous
30th April 2022
Saturday 3:44 pm
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>>95701
>Neil Parish has told the BBC he is resigning as an MP after admitting he watched pornography twice in the House of Commons. Mr Parish - the MP for Tiverton and Honiton in Devon - said it had been a "moment of madness" and "I was not proud of what I was doing".

>He said the first time was accidental after looking at a tractor website, but the second time was deliberate.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61284686

Which tractor website has a similar name to a porn site?
>> No. 95706 Anonymous
30th April 2022
Saturday 4:29 pm
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>>95705
Assey Ferguson
Massey Fuckerson
Masseur Fergubum

I don't know any other tractor manufacturers, unfortunately.
>> No. 95707 Anonymous
30th April 2022
Saturday 4:42 pm
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>>95705

He was just looking for videos of hard plowing.
>> No. 95708 Anonymous
30th April 2022
Saturday 4:46 pm
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>>95705
maybe
https://arbtalk.co.uk/forums/topic/46601-zetor-porn/
>> No. 95709 Anonymous
30th April 2022
Saturday 7:09 pm
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>>95705
What's the point of going on the news when you're mostly admitting it? It's over. Skulk back into obscurity instead of literally crying about it.
>> No. 95710 Anonymous
30th April 2022
Saturday 8:07 pm
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>>95709

The whips have probably sent him out to distract from something else, otherwise they would have just played the "we must wait for the conclusion of the inquiry" game.
>> No. 95711 Anonymous
30th April 2022
Saturday 8:09 pm
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Would everyone be this angry if it was one of the women watching porn while waiting to vote?

Also, was he just watching, or having a wank too? I accidently opened porn on my phone multiple times at work, mainly when I forget it on the browser app and close it.
>> No. 95714 Anonymous
30th April 2022
Saturday 8:46 pm
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It's actually quite absurd to watch some of you try to excuse this. He's watching porn at work, surrounded by by people. This doesn't really require deep philosophical debate and I don't know why >>95711 is trying to suggest he had it open at some earlier point in the day then it just popped up. Parish's (shite) excuse doesn't allude to that being what happened at all, unless he was trying to pull up an old regulation pertaining to a bill being discussed and searched "tractor rule 34".
>> No. 95716 Anonymous
30th April 2022
Saturday 8:52 pm
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>>95714
>It's actually quite absurd to watch some of you try to excuse this.

Genuinely. I can't think of any job I've had where I wouldn't have been sacked for this, or at the least heavily disciplined. Why don't people want to hold MP's to the same standard as everybody else?

>Would everyone be this angry if it was one of the women watching porn while waiting to vote?

Yes.
>> No. 95717 Anonymous
30th April 2022
Saturday 8:53 pm
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>>95714
>>95716
I'll add to this by saying he's my local MP and has always been an absolute bellend, I'm glad he's gone.
>> No. 95722 Anonymous
30th April 2022
Saturday 9:17 pm
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It's all about power lads, you're being taxed for this.
>> No. 95726 Anonymous
30th April 2022
Saturday 9:24 pm
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>>95711

Everyone (meaning the public) would be just as angry, that I am sure of; but the difference is that if it was a woman the story wouldn't have even come out in the first place, and she'd just be getting a bit of banter in the corridors from time to time.

If it did come out, the focus would remain (as it should have in our timeline) on the fact it's a disgrace to be watching porn when you're supposed to be representing your constituents, and would not have veered off into another boring fisherperson media spectacle about evil bastard men being such men all the time. They can't even help it, can they, with their penises hanging between their legs all day. It's time women took a stand, and moaned loudly and tediously enough that the men buck their ideas up. But for good this time. (Until next time.)
>> No. 95727 Anonymous
30th April 2022
Saturday 9:26 pm
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>>95716
>>95714
I blame the nosey bint who probably was taking a peek at his phone. She should mind her own business. It isn't like he was projecting some porno onto the wall with surround sound. How many women MPs read saucy ebooks on their phone? Huh? Or how many people are sending dirty texts at work?

We can all avoid this but just getting a Severance procedure.
>> No. 95728 Anonymous
30th April 2022
Saturday 9:26 pm
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>>95726

Except it would never be a woman, because it really is just men who are like this.
>> No. 95729 Anonymous
30th April 2022
Saturday 9:31 pm
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>>95714

>It's actually quite absurd to watch some of you try to excuse this.

Would you care to point out, in the thread, where anyone has tried to excuse it? I can't see a single example of anyone excusing it. People are discussing it and the circumstances around it, but I haven't seen anyone attempt to excuse it.
>> No. 95730 Anonymous
30th April 2022
Saturday 9:32 pm
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>>95728
Women get a free pass. Angela was showing her fanny, and everyone's mad at the men who noticed it. As >>95726 said, if it were a woman, the story would never make the papers.

Maybe the Saudis were right all along. The sexes should be segregated.
>> No. 95732 Anonymous
30th April 2022
Saturday 9:50 pm
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The l33t troll has arrived epic style.
>> No. 95739 Anonymous
1st May 2022
Sunday 10:01 am
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That's odd, why can't you simply link the article?
>> No. 95740 Anonymous
1st May 2022
Sunday 10:03 am
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>>95738
Except that wasn't the Mail's source. The joke Rayner made was taken up as truth by senior Tories and the paper attempted to turn it into one of the most bizarre smears I've ever heard.

Christ, I cannot stand Conservatives.
>> No. 95741 Anonymous
1st May 2022
Sunday 3:31 pm
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Is pic related actually happening? I assume not because it makes zero sense, but I laughed all the same.

>... just simple farmers.
>> No. 95748 Anonymous
2nd May 2022
Monday 9:58 am
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>>95706
Claas Dominator, apparently - which isn't even a fucking tractor, it's a combine.
>> No. 95749 Anonymous
2nd May 2022
Monday 10:52 am
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>>95748
>Claas

Good taste, I suppose (ignore gammonthumb, this photo was taken in a horribly cold flat with shite insulation)
>> No. 95750 Anonymous
2nd May 2022
Monday 2:26 pm
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Just had a thought. Why do the Corbynistas hate a working class semi-socialist like Angela?
>> No. 95751 Anonymous
2nd May 2022
Monday 2:41 pm
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>>95750
As your doctor I'm going to advise that you stop having thoughts.
>> No. 95752 Anonymous
2nd May 2022
Monday 2:49 pm
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>>95750
Can you clarify what you mean by "semi-socialist"? I feel that might shed some light on the answer to your question.
>> No. 95753 Anonymous
2nd May 2022
Monday 4:26 pm
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>>95750

Partially because she's not a proper socialist, and partially because they hate the working class. The crisis for a certain segment of the left in modern times is that they want to represent a working class, just not the working class we actually have.

I don't mind her. It's hard to say I like her, because I suspect she's about as principled as any of them, which is to say not at all. But she's certainly one of the best of a bad bunch.
>> No. 95754 Anonymous
2nd May 2022
Monday 4:27 pm
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>>95752
damned if I know. I went to her website, to see what values she espouses. I am none the wiser. This is about as close as I got:

“From the beginning of my working life I’ve always stood up for working people, first as a Trade Union rep representing care workers and then as a regional union official. Now I use the skills I’ve developed to represent the communities of Ashton, Droylsden and Failsworth.”

It's a remarkably content-free website. Maybe that's best.
>> No. 95755 Anonymous
2nd May 2022
Monday 4:46 pm
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>>95754
It's always sad to see how trade unionists fall into this. Imagine how daft and ineffectual it must all feel.

>> No. 95758 Anonymous
2nd May 2022
Monday 5:44 pm
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Phwoar. This Neil Parish story is getting pretty intense.

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