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|>>|| No. 4766
I hope she reaches the finals. I-I t-think I am in love. She ticks all my boxes;
Fucking check check check.
|>>|| No. 4769
Her shotmaking is great. I really hope she learns how to run soon.
|>>|| No. 4773
Just watched the first set tie break, lady tennis is awful. They should do away with the pretence that people watch it for their skill instead of how attractive they are.
|>>|| No. 4775
>lady tennis is awful.
The Lisicki/Williams match right now is proving otherwise, in my opinion. Three set breaks in a row, blinding stuff.
|>>|| No. 4776
That was bloody fantastic tennis. An upset is always fun too.
|>>|| No. 4778
I meant skill, not entertainment value. A fight between a couple of tramps over a bottle of White Lightning is low on skill and technical ability, but that doesn't mean it can't be entertaining. The same also applies to Serena and her ape-like fists.
|>>|| No. 4779
Serena Williams is low on skill and technical ability, this is what you're saying?
|>>|| No. 4781
No, he is saying she is black and is low on everything except brute strength.
|>>|| No. 4782
Compared to men, yes.
In 1998 Venus and Serena challenged Karsten Braasch to a tennis match during the Australian Open, as they were convinced that they could beat any man ranked outside the top 200 in the world. He had a few beers and smoked a few cigs before beating Serena 6-1 and Venus 6-2. Male tennis players are easily capable of chasing down shots that would be winners in the female game and they're able to hit the ball with more spin.
When Kim Clijsters was dating Lleyton Hewitt she admitted that she struggled to win a point when she played against him, nevermind an actual game. You have to remember that when Billie Jean King beat Bobby Riggs she was 26 years younger than him.
No, lad. Ape-like fists is an infrequently used .gs expression that has nothing to do with race.
|>>|| No. 4783
I don't know whether women have inherently lower skill or technical ability, and I'm sure the perception of such is quite subjective in many ways.
It reminds me of how there are different weight classes in boxing. Even though the rules are the same, the separation is to heighten the competition of the sport, to bring out the absolute apex in ability of everyone involved. I think when watching women's tennis you have to keep that in mind, that these are still the very best in their sport, just in a modified game. To borrow a boxing expression, you have to learn to see the 'pound-for-pound' talent to appreciate it.
|>>|| No. 4784
>I'm sure the perception of such is quite subjective in many ways.
No, not really. It's quite clear from watching tennis that the women's game is behind the men's game because the male players have more physical power, athletism and can play a wider range of shots. You just have to look at the speed that the ball is hit with, the number and length of rallies, the amount of distance covered, speed around the court and other stats to find this out or to watch a few games to see the range of shots and tactics in use; a lot of the female circuit rely on twatting the ball like a mad bastard from the baseline, in the men's game there is far more variety as you'd get found out if your game was solely built around power.
>I think when watching women's tennis you have to keep that in mind, that these are still the very best in their sport, just in a modified game. To borrow a boxing expression, you have to learn to see the 'pound-for-pound' talent to appreciate it.
Like I said earlier, watching a couple of tramps fighting can have entertainment value from time to time. However, put them against Mike Tyson in his prime and they'd get absolutely annihilated.
I realise I'm sounding like a bit of a cunt here. I don't actually mind women's tennis, it's just nowhere near the standard of the men's game.
|>>|| No. 4786
While I accept that there are fundamental biological differences between the male and female body that make males capable of hitting balls with more force, essentially comparing all of women's sports to tramp-fighting can only be described as deliberately inflammatory and completely ignoring >>4783's point about appreciating a sport played at the highest level by equally matched opponents. Such obvious provocativeness sadly detracts from his otherwise fair remarks about sports, and makes me think he's just exaggerating because he hasn't the intelligence to express a point without hyperbole.
50% cunt, I'd say.
|>>|| No. 4787
Does the phrase "pound for pound" mean nothing to you? Did you start paying attention to sports just now? What is wrong with you?
|>>|| No. 4788
This is actually quite a good discussion, apart from the number of iterations of the word 'cunt'. Really lads, let's play nice.
Funnily enough I started the last Wimbledon thread highlighting an entertaining women's match (>>4206). And at the end someone posted Robson's cameltoe. Getting that horrible feeling we're all trapped in an embarrassingly predictable behavioural cycle.
|>>|| No. 4789
Let it not go unnoted that after his victory Braasch said that he had deliberately played like somebody ranked 400 places lower than himself just to keep it fun.
|>>|| No. 4790
Is there a recording of this match? A quick search on YouTube didn't bring up anything.
|>>|| No. 4791
The problem is that women's sport isn't at the highest level in any respect.
A featherweight boxing match is a qualitatively different spectacle to a heavyweight bout. Lighter boxers are faster, more agile and have better endurance than their heavyweight counterparts. The best all-round fighters are inevitably heavyweights because of the overwhelming advantage of strength and power, but lightweight boxers have a different and equally valid skillset.
Many sports have equivalent physiological differences. The best sprinter will never be the best marathon runner and vice-versa, a 90kg cyclist might be a world champion time triallist but could never be king of the mountains and so on.
I can't think of a single female athlete who is absolutely the best in the world by any measure. Women are absolutely dominated by men even in sports where the obvious physiological differences are irrelevant, like darts or snooker. Even in countries like Australia with completely gender-equal sports development, the gap doesn't seem to be closing between men and women. In any sport you care to mention, elite female athletes almost never exceed the standard of a half-decent male amateur.
|>>|| No. 4792
I've never heard of one existing. I think it was just them all fucking around on practice courts.
|>>|| No. 4794
I could be wrong, but I'm sure that when Billie Jean King beat Bobby Riggs he was only allowed one serve and she was allowed to hit it up to the doubles sideline. Still, he won a fair few games in the match - the modern day equivalent would be pitching John McEnroe against Serena (although at the time the #1 female tennis player was Margaret Court and Riggs had already beaten her comfortaby).
I think he's mad that it was compared to bumfights instead of foxy boxing.
If you want some counterbalance, here's Rafa's arse to ogle at.
|>>|| No. 4796
Feels like I'm wearing nothing at all.
nothing at all.
nothing at all.
|>>|| No. 4797
>In 1998 Venus and Serena challenged Karsten Braasch to a tennis match during the Australian Open
I think it'd be interesting to see how Serena would fare today, she was 17 then.
|>>|| No. 4799
Anyone else feel the need to look away from the screen when they do the slow replay of a player's face mid-strike? It freaks me out.
|>>|| No. 4803
He's back up one now. For some reason it seems a bit unsporting just how loudly and obnoxiously the British homecrowd cheer for their own.
|>>|| No. 4804
Same all over the world. A few people clapped at one of Verdasco's double faults earlier, though, that's just fucking low.
|>>|| No. 4809
I hope Bartolia wins the women's. She's crackers.
|>>|| No. 4814
The men's singles semifinals matches today were just brilliant. Djokovic and Del Potro were virtually doing backflips, and Andy really shone against Janowicz.
Thoroughly recommend giving them a watch if anyone hasn't.
|>>|| No. 4815
>Djokovic and Del Potro were virtually doing backflips
Magnificent, wasn't it? If Djokovic keeps up that form then Murray's in trouble.
|>>|| No. 4816
I would love to have Bartoli spit at me and call me names while she twats me with a racket.
|>>|| No. 4817
I'll happily spit at you and call you names while twatting you with a racket. No arse-pissing, though.
|>>|| No. 4819
Lisicki is going to regret not breaking serve then.
Might watch the boy's doubles later to see if Are Kyle (I'm classing him as a local lad because he grew up 10 miles from Hull and learnt how to play tennis at the local David Lloyd) can make the final.
|>>|| No. 4821
Well that was a pretty shit match of tennis, to be honest.
|>>|| No. 4822
I have to say, it really was. Neither played spectacularly. Lisicki went to pieces and Bartoli played just well enough to sail over her.
I suppose it's an important part of the game, too. Skill, technique and fitness all play a part, but Bartoli was composed where Lisicki wasn't.
|>>|| No. 4823
The women's game is about on par with the boy's game quality-wise. There was definitely more quality on show in the first round of the men's game than at any stage of the women's tournament.
Remember a women's game (I mean in general here, not just this year's Wimbledon) as good as either of the men's semi-finals? Me neither.
|>>|| No. 4824
Yeah, neither were playing Wimbledon final tennis.
>Bartoli was composed where Lisicki wasn't.
Lisicki is popular with the crowds because, compared to her hard-faced, emotionally stonewalled contemporaries, she actually seems human. Sad that that emotional vulnerability completely fucked her over.
|>>|| No. 4825
I'm not sure if you're the same person who made that point (repeatedly and at length) earlier in this thread, but if so: okay, we get it.
|>>|| No. 4826
I think it's possible for one to be composed and emotional. I'm thinking of Federer when I say this. He looks extremely graceful and restrained on court (I think the most angry I've ever seen him get was quietly saying 'it looked out to me' to an umpire) but damned if he doesn't cry like a bairn if a match slips out of his grasp, or if he wins and his daughters run down on court.
|>>|| No. 4827
Well it's ridiculous that they get the same prize money as men when they don't even play the same number of sets. The only reason women's tennis has the level of popularity it does is because they tied in the schedule with the men's tournament.
|>>|| No. 4828
Federer has no class.
When he was knocked out he stormed off without shaking hands and never gave his victor any credit. In comparison, Rafa shook hands, took time to meet the crowd and complimented his opponent on his game. It's not the first time Federer has behaved like this.
|>>|| No. 4829
Really? That's difficult to imagine, I don't think I've ever seen that match.
I've not seen many Nadal matches, but I can't think of any other tennis players who have come across as open or likeable with the crowds. I was talking to someone about Murray recently, and the more I see him in interviews the more I find his dour and dry responses quite endearing. He flat out refuses to play into any montage-driven media hype, and watching him undercut stupidly sentimental or invasive questions is refreshing.
I think I remember Tsonga being quite a passionate but not angry/negative kind of figure.
|>>|| No. 4830
They should play five sets, I agree. Today's final is a perfect example of where first-to-two results in a swift and hardly forgone conclusion - had it been best of five there's a possibility we'd still be watching it now, and the match would certainly have been more interesting.
The women should win as much as the men, though, that's only fair.
>When he was knocked out he stormed off without shaking hands and never gave his victor any credit.
There was a bit of a dust-up about Radwanska's exit the other day:
The ladies in the commentary box had a good old bitch about it afterwards.
|>>|| No. 4831
Just upon posting this I realised you were probably talking about Federer's swift exit from this Wimbledon tournament. I didn't see that one either, but it is unfortunate that we would just stroll off without a word.
|>>|| No. 4832
I don't know, after playing a tiring and competitive game that doesn't strike me as too disrespectful. Perhaps not warm, exactly, but at least she made the gesture.
|>>|| No. 4833
>I was talking to someone about Murray recently, and the more I see him in interviews the more I find his dour and dry responses quite endearing. He flat out refuses to play into any montage-driven media hype, and watching him undercut stupidly sentimental or invasive questions is refreshing.
I tend to find myself rolling my eyes at Murray's affected indifference, it seems insultingly insincere to me, but I suppose it's preferable to the mindless platitudes that most of the rest trot out. A lot of the players are well aware they're talking rot, obviously - I remember Henman saying, after the media blitz following his disqualification, that there were correct answers and truthful answers, and that he was now electing to go for the former even though it made him come across like an idiot.
|>>|| No. 4834
Most of the responses seem dry because they're made straight after 2-3 hours of tennis.
|>>|| No. 4835
No, most of the responses seem dry because they've been extensively coached on PR and know that saying the wrong thing whilst impassioned and impulsive could cost them their sponsorship.
|>>|| No. 4839
I haven't been following tennis that much lately, although the BBC are trying their best to force it on me. Was this year any good?
|>>|| No. 4840
I know the employees of TV Licensing can be pushy, but that's beyond the pale!
|>>|| No. 4841
To the point where I searched for him and was quite upset to see that he's retired.
|>>|| No. 4843
Back to OP.
That is one reason why I spent a lot of my time at uni weedling my way into the hockey crowd. I want to live in a country where such a sport is considered something more than Uni teams or another Olympic medal. Hockey girls have the nicest legs. Gorgeous.
Sage for perv.
|>>|| No. 4845
Is this really a musical montage after the first set?
BBC why? What the hell are you doing?
|>>|| No. 4846
They probably have a license for this "prelude to boss battle #3" from some 4 year old RPG for another week or so and feel this is justification for buying it.
They had a montage that they repeated twice with the same music before the match started, it was shit.
|>>|| No. 4847
Novak losing it a bit there. I was half-expecting him to even come out with YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS.
|>>|| No. 4848
>He's won the second set! Quick, run the montage again!
What the fuck, BBC? No, seriously, what the fuck?
|>>|| No. 4850
What's the "official" reason that women play fewer sets than the men?
|>>|| No. 4852
Women used to play 5 sets, but it was switched to 3 in 1998 IIRC.
|>>|| No. 4853
As much as I like Murray, I can already anticipate the gooey sentimentality about Britain that will follow if he wins.
Is anyone else dreading this as much as looking forward to it?
|>>|| No. 4854
It's the other way round. 3-set matches are the norm. It's only at certain events that the men play to five. IIRC there was a WTA tournament played to 5 some years ago.
|>>|| No. 4856
Very brave move by Alex Salmond waving a Scottish flag directly behind Callmedave.
|>>|| No. 4858
If Scotland is so good, why doesn't he fuck off there to watch tennis?
|>>|| No. 4859
Did you see him complaining about Janowicz the other day, over the issue of lighting/the roof? I don't follow tennis too much, but that's the most genuine I've ever seen Murray. It was very endearing.
|>>|| No. 4860
Yes I did, and I agree that it was endearing. He did well not to let it bother his game, too.
|>>|| No. 4862
So many people getting the fucking aspect ratio wrong on their phones too.
|>>|| No. 4863
>The BBC was forced to apologise after Inverdale, speaking before the start of Bartoli's match against Germany's Sabine Lisicki, told listeners of 5 Live: "Do you think Bartoli's dad told her when she was little: 'You're never going to be a looker, you'll never be a Sharapova, so you have to be scrappy and fight'?"
I don't think it's bad taking a picture of him holding the trophy. If you only take one or two, mind. Taking a picture of Murray serving for the match makes you a prize cunt in my book, though.
|>>|| No. 4864
Why don't you think it's bad? What purpose does it serve? Did all these people think "I'd better get a snap of this in case no-one else brought a camera"?
|>>|| No. 4865
I'm not sure if your post flew over my head (I suspect it did) but isn't the point that the photographer has their own photo?
|>>|| No. 4867
I'm glad Murray won. It'll enrage all the bigoted English Scots-hating types on Twitter who were flaunting their sour grapes before the match. Lovely. Hope it sticks in their throats.
There's always someone looking to knock down the tall poppies. Someone does a good job then it doesn't matter where they're from or if black or white, good on them, I say. It was an entertaining match.
|>>|| No. 4868
>It'll enrage all the bigoted English Scots-hating types on Twitter
It's banter. Calm down and go back to your porridge.
|>>|| No. 4869
No it isn't. Replace "Scottish" with "Jewish" and you'd have seen large numbers of arrests for it. It's cowardly bigotry.
|>>|| No. 4871
Yes it is. You've just got a victim complex. You're even getting offended by Twitter. Learn to take a joke.
|>>|| No. 4873
Is he? I don't pretend to know him personally so I can't make that judgement, you obviously do so can you pass on the message "well done" for me. Also ask him what his favourite meal of the day is too, I like last night supper but I guess he might not count that?
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