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>> No. 4917 Anonymous
30th July 2013
Tuesday 6:01 pm
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Sounds like the knob-jockeys need to man up.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/jul/30/liverpool-unacceptable-words-discrimination
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>> No. 8227 Anonymous
19th December 2017
Tuesday 2:23 pm
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>>8225
It's an American colony thing. We have to conform to their guilt and cultural norms as we all slowly become them.
>> No. 8229 Anonymous
20th December 2017
Wednesday 10:30 am
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>>8225

I think it harks back to the days of the Minstrel shows. Which were awful caricatures of black people against a racist backdrop.
>> No. 8230 Anonymous
20th December 2017
Wednesday 12:10 pm
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>>8225
> If he didn't black up then it wouldn't work as well because it wouldn't be immediately recognisable as Abbott.

It was pointed out on another place that a paper mask would do just fine. https://www.funkybunky.co.uk/Item/Diane-Abbott-Mask
>> No. 8231 Anonymous
20th December 2017
Wednesday 2:24 pm
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>>8230
That would be less offensive.
>> No. 8232 Anonymous
20th December 2017
Wednesday 5:58 pm
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>>8230
Also I don't think anyone would have failed to spot him as Abbott in that wig, coat, rosette, and wrong numbers.
>> No. 8233 Anonymous
20th December 2017
Wednesday 6:04 pm
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>>8232
They might have thought he was Carol Vorderman.
>> No. 8234 Anonymous
20th December 2017
Wednesday 6:53 pm
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>>8233
Why would she be wearing a Labour rosette? She's Tory.
>> No. 8235 Anonymous
21st December 2017
Thursday 8:13 am
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Is the BBC racist, then?

It's only six or seven years since they broadcast Come Fly With Me, which had white actors made-up to play characters of different races. The League if Gentlemen last night featured Papa Lazarou in blackface and Barbara is blatantly poking fun at trans folk.
>> No. 8236 Anonymous
21st December 2017
Thursday 9:57 am
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>>8235
Yes. Blackface is racist. It's always racist. Why are you confused? Did you think because something is on TV it can't be offensive? Michty me.

Not sure about Papa Lazarou as I think it's supposed to parody clown make-up and he's not an identifiable race anyway.

Transphobia isn't dolphin rape.
>> No. 8237 Anonymous
21st December 2017
Thursday 10:54 am
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>>8236

You better not watch the new we Anderson film. A load of big name Hollywood actors are in dog face. Don't ever watch the wire it stars 2 British actors are in American face (one of them pretending to be an African American).

What exactly about it rubs you the wrong way? The entire point of the job is to portray something you are not, usually with make up on to be someone you are not. Is it racist just because 'it just is', that isn't a good enough justification, thats a terrible appeal to the status quo. Is it because people find it offensive already and you should respect that? Again not good enough, for reasons that should be immediately obvious as soon as you spend more than 5 second's thinking about what people use to find offensive and now is acceptable in our society.

Is it just the execution it self is a grotesque parody of the people they are portraying? What about when it isn't.
>> No. 8238 Anonymous
21st December 2017
Thursday 11:19 am
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>>8237
There's nothing inherently racist about it just like there's nothing inherently offensive about raising your middle finger at someone. It's racist because people find it racist and there doesn't have to be much more logic to it than that. It's not something you can argue with.
>> No. 8239 Anonymous
21st December 2017
Thursday 11:37 am
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>>8235

Matt Lucas has distanced himself from his previous work, saying that society has moved on.

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2017/oct/03/matt-lucas-little-britain-remake-would-not-play-black-character
>> No. 8240 Anonymous
21st December 2017
Thursday 12:56 pm
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>>8239
Little Britain was always obscenely unfunny.
>> No. 8241 Anonymous
21st December 2017
Thursday 1:36 pm
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>>8237
>Is it racist just because 'it just is', that isn't a good enough justification

Good thing no-one is justifying it like that then. I believe the post I was replying to was asking if the blackface in these programmes was racist, and I answered yes. But if you don't know why blackface is racist, then your inability to use Google is your own fault.
>> No. 8242 Anonymous
21st December 2017
Thursday 2:18 pm
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>>8240
Oh good - glad I am not the only one that thinks that.

See also: Mrs Browns Boys - WTAF is that about and why is it funny?
>> No. 8243 Anonymous
21st December 2017
Thursday 2:27 pm
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>>8242
There's a remake/modernised Porridge airing at the moment.
>> No. 8244 Anonymous
21st December 2017
Thursday 2:30 pm
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>>8243
Oh lord, I did not know and I have just looked it up. Of all the things to try and remake.
>> No. 8246 Anonymous
21st December 2017
Thursday 4:25 pm
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>>8241

Well your argument there certainly sounded like you were justify it as 'it just is'. 'Just Google it' is the last bastion of the ignorant lacking citation to try shift the burden of justification away from themselves, because you don't actually have an explanation otherwise you would just give it. If you have a point make it no one is going to make it for you. And I'll continue thinking it isn't racist.
>> No. 8247 Anonymous
21st December 2017
Thursday 4:39 pm
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>>8246

The origins of blackface are profoundly, inarguably racist. It's intrinsically linked with slavery and segregation.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kbnn3E7Gp8
>> No. 8248 Anonymous
21st December 2017
Thursday 4:49 pm
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>> No. 8249 Anonymous
21st December 2017
Thursday 4:50 pm
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>> No. 8250 Anonymous
21st December 2017
Thursday 4:52 pm
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>> No. 8251 Anonymous
21st December 2017
Thursday 4:53 pm
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>> No. 8252 Anonymous
21st December 2017
Thursday 5:06 pm
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It is surprising that we are even having a debate about it.

Some people are thick as mince.
>> No. 8254 Anonymous
21st December 2017
Thursday 6:02 pm
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>>8247
Okay, the origins of bon fire night are discrimination against Catholics, do you protest it as promoting sectarian violence?

I don't accept that it is an impossibility for a white actor to portray a black role without it being a deliberate slight. The issue is the example you have picked derives it's comedy from dolphin rape not that the action of blacking up is racist.

Equally I question it as the origins, Othello has doubtlessly being performed with white actors playing moors, so at least 200 years before Vaudeville existed so no white actors playing black characters is not intrinsically linked to slavery.
>> No. 8255 Anonymous
21st December 2017
Thursday 6:24 pm
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>>8254
>Okay, the origins of bon fire night are discrimination against Catholics, do you protest it as promoting sectarian violence?

No, because catholics aren't offended or upset by it.
>> No. 8256 Anonymous
21st December 2017
Thursday 7:01 pm
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>>8255
I don't know, I mean they were willing to resort to bombing Parliament over the oppression so I can't imagine burning an effigy of Fawkes goes down well.

Some Catholic areas of NI don't do November 5, and there have been moves by the RC organisations in the UK to end what they consider a hateful and offensive tradition.
>> No. 8257 Anonymous
21st December 2017
Thursday 7:27 pm
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>>8256
>they were willing to resort to bombing Parliament over the oppression

You're talking about something that happened 400 years ago. I know many catholics and none of them are the least bit troubled by November 5th.
>> No. 8258 Anonymous
21st December 2017
Thursday 7:34 pm
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>>8256

The effigy is actually orginally the Pope. Which of course doesn't weaken your argument only strengthens it.
>> No. 8260 Anonymous
21st December 2017
Thursday 7:42 pm
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>>8259
Okay, give me an example of sectarian violence that has happened in the UK, say in the last 30 years, between catholics and protestants that was not part of the Northern Ireland problem.
>> No. 8261 Anonymous
21st December 2017
Thursday 7:43 pm
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>>8257

Well that settles it, it is a good thing there hasn't been any sectarian violence in living memory in the United Kingdom then. otherwise your argument would look really stupid.
>> No. 8262 Anonymous
21st December 2017
Thursday 7:44 pm
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>>8260

Glasgow. What do I win?
>> No. 8263 Anonymous
21st December 2017
Thursday 7:50 pm
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>>8262
Porridgewogs though. They just love to fite.
>> No. 8264 Anonymous
21st December 2017
Thursday 7:52 pm
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>>8260
>Okay, give me an example of sectarian violence that has happened in the UK, say in the last 30 years, between catholics and protestants that was not part of that really deadly sectarian conflict.
>> No. 8265 Anonymous
21st December 2017
Thursday 7:54 pm
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>>8264
So the issues we have in Northern Ireland are because the rest of the country sets off fireworks on Nov 5th? We ban bonfire night and NI is all happy? I think you're conflating two completely separate things.
>> No. 8266 Anonymous
21st December 2017
Thursday 8:18 pm
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>>8265
I think you're the one doing the conflating there, lad.
>> No. 8267 Anonymous
21st December 2017
Thursday 8:31 pm
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>>8263

That may be, but they are true scotsmen.
>> No. 8268 Anonymous
22nd December 2017
Friday 1:01 am
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Wouldn't it be easier if racistlad just came out as a racist? I mean, why do you have to convince others that you really aren't racist?
>> No. 8269 Anonymous
22nd December 2017
Friday 1:54 am
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>>8268
I have thought the same a few times. If that's what you think, then own it.
>> No. 8271 Anonymous
26th December 2017
Tuesday 4:03 pm
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Burnley have become embroiled in something of a Christmas firestorm after media reports in France appeared to suggest that the club was racist.

The usually reliable French media publication L'Equipe published an article about the biggest "surprise package" of the 2017/18 Premier League season thus far, but caused huge controversy over their insinuation that the Clarets were against playing footballers from black or ethnic minority backgrounds

Burnley, who currently sit seventh in England's top flight, will no doubt be shocked to learn of the article which calls them a "100% white team with players with flattened noses and big ears". A large portion of the piece states: "(They are) coached by a ginger Englishman, in a city who voted 70% for Brexit and which has been the breeding ground of racial tensions.

“Formed with 80% British players and 100% white players, Burnley is the surprise team of the season. 40 kilo-meters north of Manchester, everything is from another century. There is not a single black player in the seventh team in the Premier League, led by a red-haired Englishman, Sean Dyche. In fact, there was a colored player in the early season photo, Daniel Agyei, but he was loaned to Walsall."


https://www.si.com/soccer/2017/12/26/french-paper-lequipe-slammed-over-100-white-team-led-ginger-burnley-comments

https://www.lequipe.fr/Football/Article/Bienvenue-a-burnley-au-coeur-de-l-equipe-surprise-du-championnat-anglais/862057

Hideously white.
>> No. 8272 Anonymous
26th December 2017
Tuesday 4:37 pm
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>>8271
Sounds like they're about to give Mourinho a Xmas gift he wasn't expecting.
>> No. 8273 Anonymous
26th December 2017
Tuesday 5:00 pm
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>>8271
Haha! Stupid French. They don't know how hideously racist they are.
>> No. 8274 Anonymous
26th December 2017
Tuesday 5:54 pm
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>>8271
I'd be interested to read the full article, if anyone knows where to find it.
>> No. 8275 Anonymous
26th December 2017
Tuesday 5:55 pm
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>>8274
I should have said it's behind a paywall, I'm not looking for a translation - I don't mind reading it in Froggish.
>> No. 8276 Anonymous
26th December 2017
Tuesday 6:03 pm
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Found it.

"LA PHOTO D'ÉQUIPE DE BURNLEY est un programme. Des gars au cheveu ras, nez épaté, oreilles décollées, prêts à se battre, qui semblent ancarpet-baggerr leur idéal du jeu, le samedi après-midi, et de la vie, le samedi soir. Il n'y a pas un seul joueur noir dans l'effectif du septième de Premier League, dirigé par un Anglais rouquin, Sean Dyche (46 ans), et il est aussi difficile de croire à la préméditation qu'au hasard.
En fait, il y en avait un joueur de couleur sur la photo du début de saison, Daniel Agyei, et il a été prêté à Walsall. Ce n'est pas la raison pour laquelle il a été prêté, évidemment, mais ainsi va le Burnley FC, une équipe qui ressemble à la ville, une enclave du nord à quarante kilomètres de Manchester, qui a voté à 70% pour le Brexit, et qui avait été le terreau de fortes tensions raciales, en 2001.
En cette première moitié de saison anglaise, Burnley figure une équipe d'un autre temps, par son visage pâle, par son jeu structuré mais étriqué qui l'a vu prendre 32 points avec 16 buts, et par son décor d'un autre siècle, cet antre de Turf Moor qu'il occupe depuis 1883, installé au milieu des maisons alignées, proche du centre ville. «Que les gens pensent qu'on puisse finir dans le top six, ou dans la première moitié, ou qu'on va se casser la gueule, on s'en fiche complètement.» - Ben Mee, capitaine
Un club qui a failli disparaître de la carte du football professionnel La gloire du club est ancienne, désormais : Burnley avait été la plus petite ville sacrée championne d'Angleterre (78 000 habitants, à l'époque), en 1960. Depuis, le club a failli disparaître de la carte du football professionnel, en 1987, et vit seulement sa quatrième saison en Premier League depuis quarante-et-un ans.
Mais c'est une saison parfaitement incroyable, dont la lourde défaite face à Tottenham (0-3), samedi, à Turf Moor, n'est pas le reflet : les «Clarets» avaient seulement encaissé douze buts en dix-huit-journées, et ils en ont concédé trois lors de la dix-neuvième. C'était peut-être parce que, pour la première fois, il leur fallait assumer leur position dans le top six, s'en faire une ambition à entretenir plutôt qu'une incongruité à revendiquer. «Je ne vois pas pourquoi ce serait irréaliste, assure pourtant Ben Mee, défenseur central et capitaine. Tout le monde doute de nous et prédit notre chute, mais nous sommes une bonne équipe, et on peut continuer à faire ce que nous faisons de bien.» Personne ne croit que Burnley puisse se qualifier pour une coupe d'Europe, qu'il n'a pas disputée depuis la Coupe des villes de foires en 1967, mais donner tort aux autres n'est même pas un ressort pour Mee et les siens. C'est encore pire que ça : «Que les gens pensent qu'on puisse finir dans le top six, ou dans la première moitié, ou qu'on va se casser la gueule, on s'en fiche complètement.» Quand il fait froid, pas de bas de survêtement, pas de bonnet, pas de gants Burnley est si anglais que Gareth Southgate, le sélectionneur, est déjà venu quatre fois à Turf Moor, cette saison. Il a offert sa première sélection au milieu Jack Cork, en novembre, face à l'Allemagne (0-0), et pourrait emmener le gardien Tom Heaton (31 ans, 3 sélections) en Russie.
Grâce à la saison de Burnley, Sean Dyche est devenu l'entraîneur anglais à la mode. C'est autant un titre de noblesse qu'un mistigri à refiler absolument au suivant : cela ne dure pas, cela finit toujours mal, que cela passe ou non par un séjour furtif dans un grand club. Ancien joueur moyen, capitaine du Chesterfield (D3) demi-finaliste de la Cup en 1987, il est monté deux fois avec Burnley, et n'est redescendu qu'une fois. Cela n'a l'air de rien, mais en mai dernier, Burnley s'est maintenu dans l'élite pour la première fois depuis 1975.
L'ancien gardien de l'équipe d'Angleterre, Paul Robinson, a récemment raconté à l'antenne anglaise de beIN, la façon dont Dyche maintient son autorité, ainsi qu'une certaine idée de la vie sociale. Quand il fait très froid, pas de bas de survêtement, pas de bonnet, pas de gants – et quand il fait chaud non plus. En cas d'infraction à ces règles-là et à quelques autres, le joueur incriminé fait tourner la roue de la fortune installée dans le vestiaire. Les punitions sont variables : tomber sur le « E », par exemple, implique de se déguiser en Elvis et de chanter devant les autres. Pas sûr que cela choque grand-monde un samedi soir à Burnley."

My French isn't good enough to translate it, but the tone isn't anywhere near as racist as the article goes on. Seems to be just a bit sensationalist.
>> No. 8277 Anonymous
9th January 2018
Tuesday 5:06 pm
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>Peter Beardsley has been suspended from his role as Newcastle United Under-23s boss while the investigation into allegations of bullying and dolphin rape continues.

>Sportsmail revealed on Tuesday morning that Beardsley had arrived to take training at the club’s academy but was immediately called to St James’ Park. And it has now been confirmed that Beardsley will not be working with the players who have brought the complaints against him until the matter is resolved.

>Sportsmail reported on Monday that Newcastle’s hierarchy had heard how Beardsley allegedly made a racist comment to one of his players during a trip to the Go Ape adventure course. It is claimed Beardsley said to an African player struggling to climb on some bars, 'Why are you taking so long? Your lot should be good at this'. He is also alleged to have questioned the age of African players.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5250209/Peter-Beardsley-suspended-Newcastle-23s-boss.html

PC gone mad. You can't even compliment black players on their ability at Going Ape.
>> No. 8278 Anonymous
10th January 2018
Wednesday 10:19 pm
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JFC it is sometimes hard to believe that some of those old-timers from the 80's and 90's are going to come back to football.
>> No. 8279 Anonymous
10th January 2018
Wednesday 11:02 pm
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>He is also alleged to have questioned the age of African players.
Eh? So what? The Mail must have realised this was odd too as I can't find it in the article.

I've done that Go Ape. It looks a piece of piss, but is actually quite terrifying once you're actually up there on a wooden platform six storeys high and there's no safety net or guardrail.
>> No. 8280 Anonymous
11th January 2018
Thursday 2:32 am
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>>8279

These things are different for everyone I suppose. I've climbed sheer rock faces placing lumps of metal in the cracks, looping rope though a ring attached to that with one end tied to me and having a mate 40 meters below I can't see holding the rope at the other end who swears he'll catch me and having to have faith none of that system breaks as I grip on half upside-down with my fingers.

Where as when I went to go ape last with my immediate family they all shat themselves had to be 'rescued' by the instructors, and we left early to go down the pub.
>> No. 8281 Anonymous
11th January 2018
Thursday 6:58 am
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>Eh? So what?

There's long been question marks over the ages of African players. For example, Kanu was allegedly just shy of his 17th birthday when he signed for Ajax and was just shy of his 20th birthday when he left them for Inter.

Black boys generally physically develop faster than white boys, but the lack of proper birth certificates in parts of Africa means there's a suspicion that older players have been gaming the system to try and get recruited by youth academies.

No doubt there's some who find this suspicion to be racist.

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