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>> No. 5121 Anonymous
19th March 2014
Wednesday 10:04 am
5121 Unis worth going to?
Lad m8s, please keep it civil and I mean no disrespect because it obviously largely applies to the individual, but what are the 'good' unis? What are the ones that people will read on a CV and think 'hey that's pretty alright'.

So far I've got it to: Oxbridge, LSE, Imperial, UCL, Durham, St Andy's, Warwick, York, Bristol, Exeter, Edinburgh.

Any ones that shouldn't be on there? Any that should? These are the ones I'm looking at applying to, are these regarded as the best ones?

I honestly have no idea what I'm doing when it comes to unis, I'm atleast in for AAA and was thinking of Oxbridge, Warwick, York and not sure where else to apply. I know one from Oxbridge obviously is, but are the other two worth anything?
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>> No. 5122 Anonymous
19th March 2014
Wednesday 10:18 am
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>>5121

It's easy to forget Cameron is a human being with children.
>> No. 5123 Anonymous
19th March 2014
Wednesday 10:20 am
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>>5122
They're just local orphans that he leases for photo opportunities.
>> No. 5125 Anonymous
19th March 2014
Wednesday 10:34 am
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>>5121
>What are the ones that people will read on a CV and think 'hey that's pretty alright'.

The idea that you need to go to a 'respectable uni' is pretty outdated in this day and age. You're an idiot if you apply exclusively for 'premier league' institutes without at least one insurance option.
>> No. 5126 Anonymous
19th March 2014
Wednesday 10:37 am
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>>5125
Is it?

I'm obviously going to have two insurance choices but I was curious if the ones I mentioned are all pretty well respected/ liked ?
>> No. 5127 Anonymous
19th March 2014
Wednesday 10:47 am
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>>5125

Nah m8.

https://www.youtube.com/v/qvvF7-5SIJ8
>> No. 5128 Anonymous
19th March 2014
Wednesday 11:03 am
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>>5126
>Is it?

Yes. No one in this day and age will judge your merits as a candidate from the name of the university/college you went to, especially in the private sector.
>> No. 5129 Anonymous
19th March 2014
Wednesday 11:03 am
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>>5126
Yeah, they're all fine, but as >>5125 says, it's not as big a deal as it used to be. Your classification is much more important.
>> No. 5130 Anonymous
19th March 2014
Wednesday 1:16 pm
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>>5125

It depends on how strong you are. For some, places like York and Exeter are legitimate 4th and 5th choices.
>> No. 5131 Anonymous
19th March 2014
Wednesday 1:17 pm
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>>5128

The one exception being Oxbridge, from experiences I've had in getting jobs myself. It's less that it makes employers go "Oh wow, you must be really good!", and more that getting internships/experience are much, much easier, which helps massively after graduation.
>> No. 5132 Anonymous
19th March 2014
Wednesday 1:27 pm
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>>5128
>No one in this day and age will judge your merits as a candidate from the name of the university/college you went to
That's the opposite of the truth.
>> No. 5133 Anonymous
19th March 2014
Wednesday 1:50 pm
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>>5132
It's not the opposite of the truth, let me clarify that. If someone says they have a degree (it doesn't matter which) from Oxbridge, that is different in most employers' eyes to the same degree from some old polytechnic.
>> No. 5134 Anonymous
19th March 2014
Wednesday 1:50 pm
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>>5131
Oh yeah obviously having an Oxbridge degree will definitely help you out, but the idea that if you don't go to a top-20 institute you may as well not even bother is pretty outdated in my view. Anyone who gets a good 2.1 or above and works up a good cv with key behavioural competencies and work experience has a good start.

Oxbridge/Russell Group unis grads used to have a very key advantage because of how difficult recruiting used to be. Recruiting is as much about deselection as it is selection; recruiters would prioritise looking at Oxbridge/etc CVs just because that is where they'd find a better ratio of likely candidates. Today, with tools like Linkedin, this process can be done much quicker and it's easier for the little guy without an Oxbridge stamp on his/her forehead to get ahead than before.
>> No. 5135 Anonymous
19th March 2014
Wednesday 2:32 pm
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>>5121

University of Glasgow is a Russel Group Uni, too.

If it is owned by the Russel Group, it'll be worth going to.
>> No. 5136 Anonymous
19th March 2014
Wednesday 2:56 pm
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>>5135
Nothing is "owned" by the Russell Group, it's an association of member institutions. And it's not, as it's often represented, some sort of British Ivy League equivalent. It's a body formed to further research, which does not necessarily mean that undergraduate courses are better taught or funded. In fact in some departments of the Russell Group uni I attended (Queens), the emphasis on research was probably detrimental to the quality of undergrad education.

In my experience, and the experiences of my peers, outside of Oxbridge, not many people get a massive advantage solely because of the prestige of their University.
>> No. 5137 Anonymous
19th March 2014
Wednesday 3:04 pm
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>>5136

I get it, lad. There isn't enough room at the top, right? You don't want the job market flooded by employable people, right?

Tell the serfs that they can go to any old place and make it to the top, they'll eat it up. "I don't 'ave ta move Da! I can go down t'community college twice a week, which means I can still work the allotment." Meanwhile...
>> No. 5138 Anonymous
19th March 2014
Wednesday 3:09 pm
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>>5137
Pardon?
>> No. 5139 Anonymous
19th March 2014
Wednesday 3:26 pm
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So lads if I don't get Oxbrige and end up somewhere like York/Exeter/Warwick would I be as well off just going to Northumbria or somehwere?
>> No. 5140 Anonymous
19th March 2014
Wednesday 3:29 pm
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>>5139

No. The point is that Oxbridge will directly advantage you on your CV, and the Russell Groups will do it much less so (but still a bit).

At the end of the day, though, getting a quality education will make you perform better in interview/other assessments, so it's still worth going to better universities for the indirect benefits qua job seeking.
>> No. 5141 Anonymous
19th March 2014
Wednesday 3:34 pm
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>>5139
Definitely not. The point is that Oxbridge will boost your CV a hell of a lot more than York/Exeter/Warwick.

You don't have to go to a top uni to be a professional though, my old line manager went to the University of Hull and he ended up with a PhD and £60k a year by his late 20s in tech product design.

Just go to the best university you can. I've no idea why you wouldn't.

Also OP all of those universities you've named are good universities.
>> No. 5142 Anonymous
19th March 2014
Wednesday 3:36 pm
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>>5141
I just figured if going to somewhere like Warwick/York wasn't going to get me job prestige (a big factor) I may as well go to a uni that expects less of me.

Thanks for the help laps.
>> No. 5143 Anonymous
19th March 2014
Wednesday 3:43 pm
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>>5142
That's a ridiculous attitude.
>> No. 5144 Anonymous
19th March 2014
Wednesday 3:48 pm
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>>5143

Why?

If employers don't care that I go to say York over Hull then I may aswell enjoy three years taking it easy and having a good time rather than get stuck with a load of Oxbridge rejects for no added advantage

How is that not logical?
>> No. 5145 Anonymous
19th March 2014
Wednesday 3:52 pm
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>>5144
You sound like a lazy shit.
>> No. 5146 Anonymous
19th March 2014
Wednesday 3:58 pm
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>>5144
I hope you're trolling. The institution isn't as important as how much effort you put in. You will not get a good classification or good post-grad prospects by taking it easy at any institution.
>> No. 5147 Anonymous
19th March 2014
Wednesday 4:01 pm
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Anything in the Russel group is likely a good choice, but that's not exclusively true. There are a handful of still very good unis not in the group for arbitrary reasons (most notably York, unless they have recently become a member?).

The biggest difference between different unis at undergrad is the number and quality of contact hours. At Cambridge or that other place you will get the most hours of lectures combined with practicals/seminars and most importantly personal supervisors that you see one on two (i.e. two students to a supervisor). Although other unis may offer similar sessions with maybe 5-10 students to a tutor, the level of personal teaching means there is nowhere to hide if you don't understand - they will (figuratively) beat you with a big stick until you do.

It's worth pointing out that despite this, oxbridge isn't top for everything in this country. Warwick, Imperial, Durham and Bath are all very strong unis and are considered by some to be better than Oxford for maths and/or certain sciences. And of course if you believe the latest statistical anomaly the likes of MIT and Harvard are meant to be better regarded than Cambridge.

I'm sure you already know though that the subject you choose is far more important than the uni. It's not that there are 'right' and 'wrong' subjects to choose as it's a personal thing but if you pick a subject you enjoy you will do well almost anywhere.
>> No. 5149 Anonymous
19th March 2014
Wednesday 4:05 pm
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>>5145
I'm not a lazy shit, I can walk into three As, I just don't see the point of breakng my balls for three years when I can glide to a good degree alongside people who will get B/Cs and will find it relatively harder.

It's not a troll, it's just life. Why pretend I'm something I'm not at Warwick/York when I can take it easy?
>> No. 5150 Anonymous
19th March 2014
Wednesday 4:05 pm
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>>5147
Durham, Exeter, Queen Mary and York joined in March 2012.
>> No. 5151 Anonymous
19th March 2014
Wednesday 4:10 pm
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>>5149
It might be harder than you think, given that you're apparently not smart enough to listen to people who've been to fucking university!
>> No. 5152 Anonymous
19th March 2014
Wednesday 4:18 pm
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>>5149
You are lazy mate. Lazy and arrogant.
>> No. 5153 Anonymous
19th March 2014
Wednesday 4:20 pm
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>>5152

Everybody has literally just told me that it barely makes a difference if it's not Oxbridge, now everybody is getting mad because I am listening? Wut
>> No. 5154 Anonymous
19th March 2014
Wednesday 4:21 pm
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>>5149

Highers are nothing like Uni, lad.

I walked my Highers without doing very much studying at all, I just did past papers in the fortnight up to the date. Got upper band As.

Uni almost caused me to have a psychotic break because of the workload, I nearly stabbed my flat mate because she broke my good pen.

This was in my 20s, after I had been out in the real world working, running a house, a budget, etc. I struggled for a year before I was able to adapt.

You need to shake your delusions or you will get a shock you might not be able to recover from.
>> No. 5155 Anonymous
19th March 2014
Wednesday 4:28 pm
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>>5153
It barely makes a difference in terms of an employer looking at your CV and being immediately impressed/more likely to hire you. Better institutions do, however, generally have better teaching and resources and as such will give you a more thorough understanding of your chosen subject. They expect more from you because you're supposed to be capable of more. You're not buying a degree and education is not a commodity. If that's your attitude you might as well not fucking go.
>> No. 5156 Anonymous
19th March 2014
Wednesday 4:31 pm
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>>5147

There's also the very important point that being around high calibre students tends to promote a better work ethic and means stuff like work is not considered entirely separate from the rest of your life, and so it bleeds into your system over time.

>>5153

I also literally just told you that you'll be an objectively better candidate for going to one of them as well. It's no use having Oxbridge on your CV if you can't interview for shit, and likewise Durham is more likely to make you better at something like that than Northumbria.
>> No. 5157 Anonymous
19th March 2014
Wednesday 4:38 pm
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>>5149
If as you say you can walk three As (I don't disbelieve you, in retrospect A-levels were mostly forumulaic) you will get a shock at pretty much any uni with regards to workload and self-management. Out of interest what subject do you want to apply for?
>> No. 5158 Anonymous
19th March 2014
Wednesday 4:44 pm
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>>5156
>being around high calibre students

This is definitely true. It shifts your expectations of what is a normal amount of studying and generally people are more open about talking about their studies. Also a lot of degrees are now graded against other similar departments in the country in finals so going to a uni that pushes you harder will give you an advantage with regards to getting a 2.I/I.
>> No. 5159 Anonymous
19th March 2014
Wednesday 4:46 pm
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>>5155

It's an important point. It isn't just about the name on the CV - a genuinely good University will give you significantly more personal development than others. Larger and more varied/established societies, better visiting lecturers, additional seminars/programmes which give minor certification and so on are important to your skillset and CV.

You also have to bare in mind that some Unis are specialists in certain disciplines, and employers in that sector will value those close to as much as Oxbridge.

As far as some 'prestige' ranking system goes purely for wow-factor I imagine that after the top bracket of oxbridge there is a 2nd tier comprising London/LSE/Durham/Warwick, a third tier of the Russell Group (which are pretty interchangeable in size/prestige and quality in general terms) and then everything else well below. I guess most will disagree with me.

Anyway as other lads have said, if you go somewhere in the Russell Group it's much more about the classification of your degree than the institution. One piss-take on this are the 'old' Scottish universities which call the Bachelors a 'Masters' and give a hilariously big CV advantage to those not in the know.
>> No. 5160 Anonymous
19th March 2014
Wednesday 4:54 pm
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>>5159
>As far as some 'prestige' ranking system goes purely for wow-factor I imagine that after the top bracket of oxbridge there is a 2nd tier comprising London/LSE/Durham/Warwick, a third tier of the Russell Group (which are pretty interchangeable in size/prestige and quality in general terms) and then everything else well below. I guess most will disagree with me.
Students and people heavily involved with education in general tend to overestimate the awareness of a lot of employers as to what is and is not a higher tier university outside of Oxbridge and maybe the London Unis. I've had interviews with people confused about what the difference between the University of Manchester, Manchester Metropolitan, UMIST, and Victoria UoM is, for example.
>> No. 5166 Anonymous
19th March 2014
Wednesday 6:59 pm
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>>5159

Oxbridge do this as well, although you only get it 3 years later. Plus it's an MA, and a lot of employers know that an MA from Oxford just means a BA (which all of their undergrad degrees are), as no Oxbridge masters programmes award an MA.

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