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>> No. 5517 Anonymous
3rd November 2014
Monday 4:32 pm
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I'm browsing for graduate jobs - how do employers know if you aren't just bullshitting when you state that you're expecting a particular grade? How do references from universities work?
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>> No. 5518 Anonymous
3rd November 2014
Monday 4:47 pm
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>>5517
>if you aren't just bullshitting when you state that you're expecting a particular grade?

Get a letter from the uni stating this.

>How do references from universities work?

Ask a prof., assuming you're on their good side, to write you one. You can even write yourself one, and get them to sign it. Standard practice in Euroland.
Get a minimum of 2 refs, one from a high up authority, and one from someone that knows you well and knows you're not a feckless mongoloid potato-thief.
>> No. 5519 Anonymous
3rd November 2014
Monday 4:47 pm
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Also this is ridiculously overwhelming; there's just so many.
>> No. 5520 Anonymous
3rd November 2014
Monday 4:53 pm
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>>5518
>Get a letter from the uni stating this.
What does that entail? How can you say you're 'expecting' x result? For example I got 59% last year, a high 2:2, it's possible for me to drag that all the way up to a first if I get my life in order, but what am I 'expecting', and who expects it? It seems really meaningless is all. Am I expecting something analogous to what I got last year, a 2:2 or what, who knows. For reference I'm currently on course for a 2:1 but I'm aiming to bring that up to a first if I do my big projects to perfection.

Also it's a cunt being reminded that A levels existed and that we all actually did them. I suppose they have no other solid information to go off of though.
>> No. 5521 Anonymous
3rd November 2014
Monday 5:02 pm
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>>5520
Well if you've been a good student, it's not hard to expect that. Ask your professor/lecturer and see how well you've been doing/going to do. If they are honest, they'll give you a realistic answer.

It's a really stupid way of going about this as it's best to have actual evidence.

It's down to knowing yourself. If you're a complete failure, then don't expect to shoot up to a first, or have employers believe this nonsense. You have to rely on your past achievements to give it any validity.
>> No. 5522 Anonymous
3rd November 2014
Monday 5:12 pm
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>>5521
Well I know I can bump it up to a 2:1 and I have the capacity to do what's necessary for a first, it's whether I can get my arse in gear to do it or not where I'll struggle.


Anyway that's besides the point. It just seems rather inane to tell employers you're expecting a first or a third or whatever, since they have no means of validating it until your degree is complete anyway, unless you furbish them with prior results, which I doubt many people do.


Decision making off of the basis of imperfect information, yeah it's normal but it just seems to disjointed and awkward.
>> No. 5523 Anonymous
3rd November 2014
Monday 5:16 pm
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>>55224
It's really daft, but if it means you can send off CV's quicker, then sure.
Written references are good though.
>> No. 5524 Anonymous
3rd November 2014
Monday 5:39 pm
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>>5522
The job offers may be conditional on you actually getting at least a 2:1, meaning that even if you pass their selection they may still tell you to piss off.

>furbish
>> No. 5525 Anonymous
3rd November 2014
Monday 5:44 pm
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>>5517
> I'm browsing for graduate jobs - how do employers know if you aren't just bullshitting when you state that you're expecting a particular grade?

If you're a third year, base your prediction on 2nd year results.
If you're second year, base your prediction on 1st year results.
If you're first year, base your prediction on January exams. If you don't have January exams, ask your tutor what he thinks you're capable of. Honestly, it's not that hard.
>> No. 5526 Anonymous
3rd November 2014
Monday 7:53 pm
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>>5525
No, lad.

>>5524
Of course, I always assumed that was a given. It's just a pain, do I apply on the basis of what I actually expect to get or what I know I can get? I don't know.
>> No. 5527 Anonymous
3rd November 2014
Monday 11:16 pm
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>>5526
Why not? Not who you're replying to but it sounds pretty standard.

Realistically though, you'd be a mug to put anything less than a II.1 down. Many many graduate employers have a II.1 or I only policy - HR monkeys lack the time or inclination to research the ins and outs of every degree so blanket filters like this are often used, despite the fact that a I in one degree may indicate no more work than a II.2 from a more challenging degree.
>> No. 5528 Anonymous
4th November 2014
Tuesday 8:28 am
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>>5527
It's about showing you have been institutionalized. If you get a 2.2, either you weren't smart enough, or you haven't embraced the system. You didn't commit to learning everything they told you. You won't be a good cog in a large machine. You're a troublemaker, a rebel, a maverick.
>> No. 5529 Anonymous
6th November 2014
Thursday 10:55 pm
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Is a 3rd class degree in ChemEng worth anything? I really fucked up. Can I go back and resit some units and bring it up to 2.2?
>> No. 5530 Anonymous
6th November 2014
Thursday 11:09 pm
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>>5529
Had a mate fuck up his Chem degree, got a 3rd or something to that effect - he was very quiet about it. He floundered about doing odd jobs until he had enough to do a higher diploma course to pad it out a bit.
>> No. 5531 Anonymous
6th November 2014
Thursday 11:31 pm
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>>5529

You can tell people you have a degree in chemical engineering.
>> No. 5532 Anonymous
6th November 2014
Thursday 11:56 pm
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Even shitty jobs ask me what I have a degree in, and when I say ChemEng, they say "wow," followed by "what did you get in it?" Saying a third, and watching their facial expression alone crushes what little confidence I have on myself.

>>5530
What kind of diploma?

Sigh. At this point, is a Masters the right thing to aim for?
>> No. 5533 Anonymous
7th November 2014
Friday 12:24 am
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>>5532

Just threaten to flick nitroglycerin at them if they give you funny looks.

If you can't make nitroglycerin with a 3rd, you really did waste your education.
>> No. 5534 Anonymous
7th November 2014
Friday 12:33 am
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>>5532
I do chemistry and a lot of people say 'ooh you must be clever' whenever I mention my degree.

I don't know why. It doesn't take any more work or nous really.
>> No. 5535 Anonymous
7th November 2014
Friday 12:42 am
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>>5534
You have to be pretty smart to really understand chemistry. Then again for organic you can just learn reaction mechanisms by rote, which never appealed to me.
>> No. 5536 Anonymous
7th November 2014
Friday 12:44 am
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>>5533

In this country, glycerine has an e.
>> No. 5537 Anonymous
7th November 2014
Friday 1:21 am
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>>5532
A higher diploma in anything really. Obviously science related, but it'll show you're not a complete fool.

Also lad, and I mean this with good intentions - is this really what you want to do? You're at a crossroads, you can do a lot with 'a' degree - the while point is to get your foot in the door to whatever it is. After that it's hard graft and the experience should cover any educational shortcomings.
>> No. 5538 Anonymous
7th November 2014
Friday 8:22 am
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>>5533
You just reminded me of my first aid trainer.
>This stuff is called GTN. Why is it called GTN? Apparently people get nervous when you menion nitroglycerine.
Shortly followed by him slamming the spray can into the table heavily, and:
>As you can see, this one doesn't explode, mainly because it's an empty training prop that they make so you know what a can of GTN looks like.
>> No. 5539 Anonymous
7th November 2014
Friday 4:24 pm
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>>5537
The foot in the door is the bit that's a problem with a third class degree. I can't really get anywhere if I can't even get in to begin with.
>> No. 5540 Anonymous
7th November 2014
Friday 5:08 pm
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>>5539
Your idea of "foot in the door" might be aiming slightly higher than >>5537. See:
>hard graft and the experience should cover any educational shortcomings.
Basically, you got a shit grade, so you're probably not going to land one of the nice jobs until you've proven your worth elsewhere (be that further education or experience in the field).
>> No. 5541 Anonymous
7th November 2014
Friday 5:45 pm
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>>5540
I'll add to the post you're agreeing with.

Basically, when an (good) employer sees the 3rd, he might ask you about it - frankly many plausible reason exist, whether they are personal, health, family, etc. The point is that you DO NOT have gaps in a CV, which I think are worse than bad grades.

Put in the graft, show there is something pulsing between your ears and you should be alright.
>> No. 5542 Anonymous
7th November 2014
Friday 6:13 pm
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>>5541
This. I know plenty of people with thirds who have become successful. It will definitely make it harder for you to just walk into the best £40k starting graduate job but 5-10 years down the line it will be your experience that matters above it.
>> No. 5543 Anonymous
8th November 2014
Saturday 7:17 pm
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Enjoy the call centre jobs graduatelads.

At least you won't be earning enough to pay the loan back.
>> No. 5544 Anonymous
8th November 2014
Saturday 7:44 pm
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>>5543
Somewhat related, what do you do about paying back the government if you fuck off abroad?

Since you're paying johnny foreigner for taxes instead of HMRC, is there any way the bastards can get you for it?
>> No. 5546 Anonymous
9th November 2014
Sunday 2:15 pm
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>>5544
You are legally required to pay contributions to HMRC no matter where you go.
>> No. 5547 Anonymous
9th November 2014
Sunday 2:45 pm
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>>5544
Recovering unpaid loan repayments from non-paying expats is a bit of a problem, so you could possibly get away with it if you stayed out of the country until it gets written off. They are working on improving international co-operation on this though, and if you did some back to the UK, since they're "loans" in name only all the usual rules on limitations don't apply and so they could seek back-payment (based on a flattering estimate of your income, no doubt) or potentially lock you up for evasion.
>> No. 5548 Anonymous
9th November 2014
Sunday 3:07 pm
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>>5547
Hmm, bugger.
If you don't tell them, they want £200 / month, it seems. Ouch.
>> No. 5549 Anonymous
14th November 2014
Friday 4:28 pm
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I had to go through a few screening tests today for a graduate job. Even after a couple of hours preparation, I struggled with the time limit and veiled ambiguity of some of the questions.

Am I just a bit of a dafty or are these tests engineered to be stressful and unreasonable?

http://www.shldirect.com/en/practice-tests if anyone is interested.
>> No. 5550 Anonymous
14th November 2014
Friday 4:37 pm
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>>5549
Can't you just pick some questions you found particularly nasty so that we don't have to sign-up and trawl through ourselves.
>> No. 5551 Anonymous
14th November 2014
Friday 8:32 pm
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>>5550
The link was more of an afterthought but here are a couple from the Mathematical Reasoning test.

This one is fairly straight forward.
>> No. 5552 Anonymous
14th November 2014
Friday 8:33 pm
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>>5550
This one I really struggled with, though.

The test features 18 questions in 25 minutes so you have ~90 seconds to do each.
>> No. 5553 Anonymous
14th November 2014
Friday 8:45 pm
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Relatively similar question but how does the process go for getting a graduate job in the city you don't live in (my current home town is a shithole)?

Not entirely sure how one acquires a flat in the city you've chosen to be employed in, in a swift and painless process.
>> No. 5554 Anonymous
14th November 2014
Friday 8:50 pm
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>>5552
Surely if he had 50% more than he started with, then his bloody cup would be overflowing. That baker must be a bit of a daft git.
>> No. 5555 Anonymous
14th November 2014
Friday 8:57 pm
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>>5554
Perhaps it's an oversized cup.
>> No. 5556 Anonymous
14th November 2014
Friday 9:11 pm
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>>5555
Three quarters full is three quarters full. It can't be more than four quarters full.
Unless you're an American, using the imperial system or whatever it is they call it.
>> No. 5558 Anonymous
14th November 2014
Friday 9:22 pm
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>>5553
Well if your youngish you can get a share to start out with. spareroom.co.uk, local paper etc.
>> No. 5559 Anonymous
14th November 2014
Friday 10:04 pm
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>>5558

Flatsharing is a really good idea, as it's cheaper and more flexible than renting a flat to yourself. You don't have to furnish a whole flat, you don't have to commit to a long tenancy, you don't have to piss about getting the utilities changed over and setting up broadband etc. You don't need to be young either - I have shared with a bloke who worked Mon-Fri in London and spent the weekend with his wife and kids, and with a newly-divorced middle-aged woman who was thoroughly enjoying being single IYKWIM.

If you need somewhere for a few days or a few weeks while you're interviewing or finding a flatshare, try AirBnB.
>> No. 5560 Anonymous
14th November 2014
Friday 10:10 pm
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>>5556
Nobody said it was 3/4 full. The question says it contains 3/4 cup, as in that stupid unit the seppos use.
>> No. 5561 Anonymous
14th November 2014
Friday 10:31 pm
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>>5560
But it's a cup that's 3/4 cup full.
>> No. 5563 Anonymous
14th November 2014
Friday 10:44 pm
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>>5560
I'm guessing you're posting from a mobile so you can't read the text in spoilers, which said exactly that?
>> No. 5564 Anonymous
14th November 2014
Friday 11:16 pm
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>>5563
Any half-decent mobile browser will show you the spoiler text if you touch it.
>> No. 5568 Anonymous
15th November 2014
Saturday 11:30 am
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>>5564
I know, I was just trying to find a polite was of pointing out to >>5560 that he was being a fucking numpty.

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