https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3RkBKedKWw

Horror has a face, and you must make a friend of horror.
Horror and moral terror are your friends.
If they are not, then they are enemies to be feared.

>>23159
>History will forever be tained [sic] by this.

I know you personally might be being facetious, but the strange culture of seething outrage around shit like this bothers me and I can't place why.

I suppose it's because it's people getting furious over something which barely matters, but that happens all the time. I think it's just the utter pointlessness of it all, when it comes to media like this - people furiously saying they are going to boycott $media, but then as soon as it comes out, they are playing it or watching it.

>>23174
I'm not really a Star Trek-head but this just looks like Rick & Morty with a Trek skin. Reminds me a bit of the recent Thundercats show, modern lolsorandumxd humour applied to a well loved and respected franchise.

>>23175

> but then as soon as it comes out, they are playing it or watching it.

All I can tell you is I personally stopped watching, and I loved Star Trek. It won't stop my love of the originals but without some major shift in creative control I am not interested in doing anything other than complaining that it isn’t how it should be, unless someone whose judgement I trust tells me otherwise.

I think the inertia will carry people to watch these shows with hope for a while, this isn't a case of this being 'bad star trek' this is a case of a brand being cheaply milked. This is the equivalent of all that silly Cthulhu crap you get that has nothing to do with the original books, only it has the stamp of authenticity on it.

>>23175
I've not seen massive angry reaction against nu-Trek really. Many people seem to enjoy it, well, not "many", but some. I've never really seen a boycot movement either, but if there were one it's easy to make a bunch of folk on the internet seem like a Mongol hoard, trampling across all before it, when in reality it's just a few dozen angry weirdos. I think what you've done is take a few disparate things and turn them into a big thing that doesn't exist in reality.

Also I know it's not strictly Star Trek related but I think I saw Mike Stoklasa nearly cry earlier and I'm forever changed by it.

>>23178

I've just watched that. What a bizarre saga. The rumour is that the Shatner twitter account is actually run by one of his daughters, which probably explains a lot.

>>23178
> I know it's not strictly Star Trek related but I think I saw Mike Stoklasa nearly cry earlier and I'm forever changed by it.


For the uninitiated who are curious


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pF28Zednl10

for the uninitiated who are curious with short attention spans 19 mins in.

Kind of amazed this thread as been inert for almost two years.

Anyway, as part of my years long quest to enjoy Voyager I jumped back in where I left off watching it on Netflix. It's not really helped though because the episodes about mystical Native American stuff and why space aliens gifted this knowledge to the Native Americans, with a B plot about the EMH having a cold. It's really shit, like really, really rough stuff.

Chakotay gets milked in the following episode! What am I supposed to do with this show!?

I liked the new episode of Orville: Next Generation where you got to see Worf win a fight. It's well and truly given up on all pretences of being a parody at this point and the switch to properly hour-long episodes has allowed them to put in some great moments. You can tell the writers have sat around and thought about how to make a great one-off TNG episode.

You'll just have to deal with a dark first episode to the show where data decides to kill himself.

>>24453
Voyager is one of those shows where I really recommend just following the guide. It's not like TNG where you have a bumpy start but more like the quality is all over the place.

>>24462

To what guide are you referring?

It's been on my mind for a while now, just as a personal project, to edit the very best episodes of TNG, DS9, and VOY respectively to make a series of good feature length films.

In the States Star Trek has been taken off Netflix and put on Paramount+ or whatever the fuck. Hasn't happened here yet but it's only a matter of time.

>>24464

>>24463
Scroll up the thread.

>>24464
If you're relying on streaming to watch a famous tv franchise from the 80-90s then really I don't know what to tell you. You're certainly not getting more of the product by watching it legitimately.

>>24464
Could be worse. They decided, very shortly before release, to move Disco over to P+. Which might have been forgivable had it been available anywhere outside the US at that time.

>>24466 is right. I've downloaded stuff that's been available on services that I was paying for precisely because they keep pulling this kind of shitfuckery. At this stage I'm down to just Prime, and the only reason I haven't ditched it is the delivery.

Just getting into The Next Generation, really enjoying it so far, but what's with Rikers smarmy grin all the time?

>>25099
Holy shit, just watched episode 24 of the first series, this scene came out of fucking no-where, it was incredible. I couldn't believe it.

Just started series 2 - Missing Beverly Crusher and Tasha Yar is a shame but the change seems to have made space for greater character development and conflicts. Seeing Warf go nuts more often is entertaining. Really not liking Whoopie Goldberg though.


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>>25204
Honestly, if you're that impressed by series one you'll be doing backflips by the time you're halfway through series three.

Going to roll 2xD6 and see how much psychic damage watching Star Trek: Section 31 will cause me.

Fuck me, it's only managed 2-and-a-half stars on Amazon. If your film is that crap you should have to reshoot it from scratch, like how you have to resit GCSE English or maths if you fail.

Well, I finish the movie.

>>25477>>25478

Jesus, mate. Why would you do this to yourself?

I only touch anything Alex Kurtzman-related by the proxy of the RedLetterMedia reviews now.

>>25480
It was sort of an ironic "celebration" of it being five years since watching Star Trek Picard. Whereas Picard, whilst still having a lot of other flaws, had me wagging my finger, shaking my head and muttering "that's not Star Trek", that didn't really happen with Section 31. It's so naff complaining about a lack of "proper Star Trek" is like worrying about exactly what breed of horse is going to step on your foot.

It honestly felt as if it was made my people who had learnt about cinema only from bad films and video games. Would you believe me if I told you that Section 31 reminded me of Call of Duty 4 in one, very long, scene? Specifically the briefings in between missions that hid the loading times? They also cast a South African to fail at being a comedy Irishman and then at the end he reappears but with a terrible Texan accent. Oh, and the galaxy obliterating superweapon-cum-McGuffin gets activated by being knocked onto the floor. There are plenty of technical things to complain about as well, but who cares at this point? However, if you're only following Kurtzman-Trek by the proxy of RLM, you might remember that time they counted all the producers in the credits to one of the shows (it was probably Picard, but I don't recall). Anyway, without really meaning to I did the same at the end of this film and I think there were about 21 of them. One was the director and another was Michelle Yeoh, but regardless, you shouldn't have enough producers on a 90 minute long film to fill out a match day squad in the Premier League. I'm half-tempted to call the whole thing a scheme that exists solely to line Kurtzman and company's credits.

But like I said up top, this isn't some kind of "no! You're ruining Star Trek!" moment, because this basically isn't Star Trek. The film's even forgotten that Section 31, the organisation, is supposed to be menacing, because every character is a clown. It's an even worse sci-fi-tinged version of The Suicide Squad 2016, and if you changed a few proper nouns in the script and renamed the film "Space Team 21" Paramount wouldn't have a leg to stand on if they tried to claim copyright infringement.

>>25482
>I'm half-tempted to call the whole thing a scheme that exists solely to line Kurtzman and company's credits.

I think you're probably close to the mark, with this. There's some bizarre CV-padding going on. The fact it had to happen to an IP with such an idealistic premise and such a genuine weight in popular culture is rather heart-breaking, though.

Part of me wishes I could find something meaningful to Kurtzman and the many cynical producers involved, perhaps their favourite concept album or a beloved childhood book, and ruin them with a series of unending sequels with incredible financial backing... but that exercise would probably leave me feeling empty.

>"You were right, Tallera. The resonator cannot be stopped by phasers and shields… but it can be defeated by peace."

What's the "real" Star Trek wiki? The one that's not run by that dreadful Wikia Fandom place, I mean.

I don't really fancy watching Star Trek, but I do fancy spending my breaks and toilet visits reading about various Star Trek stuff.

>>25747

No answer is going to satisfy, your desire I suspect. Memory Alpha is things that appeared in the show level of cannon, Memory Beta is things that appeared in more ropey sources. If you are asking for more of a synopsis, or production details style wiki I'm not sure those exist, although it is popular enough that there is probably a shit load of wikipedia articles on it.

>>25748

Yeah Memory Alpha seems like what I'm after. Cheers.

Worf's ex is a total smokeshow. He's such a dickhead.

>>25891

That's why he's so relatable. He's not like Riker, sitting down funny asnd making us all feel inadequate with his Mary Sue levels of perfection.

No seriously though. What's Riker's character flaw again?

>>25892
Sex pervert and idiot. Relatable yet?

>>25893

You wouldn't want to walk in on me in the holodeck let me tell you.

Sacrilege to bring up in a Star Trek thread but what did you think of Seth Macfarlanes The Orville? There's a scene specifically about a character who accidentally infects the ship with a virus while running custom holodeck programs.
Also the medic is really hot and she gets off with a gelatinous cube voiced by Norm Macdonald.

>>25894
Whatever you'd be doing, there's no way it would be this debauched.

>>25896

>>25895

I wanted to like it, it had good moments, but I think it didn't really know whether it was a proper sci-fi series or a parody and ended up as a bit of a dog's dinner.

I'm not trying to get my head kicked in or anything, but I don't love Deep Space Nine.

It's obviously not bad, but it's very much carried by the strength of it's characters and the actors playing them. The overriding plots and plenty of the standalone episodes don't really do it for me. Additionally, and I bet there are episodes where explain this and I've just forgot about them, but I feel like the TNG mob encountered Prophets and Pah-Wraiths on a weekly basis and dealt with them accordingly, so why can't the DS9 lot? Maybe Enterprise should have stopped by during series six or seven, but I guess they were too busy making the most boringest films ever to exist.

It'd be too neat and tidy to say this is the inverse of the problem I have with Voyager. IE, the through-line is a great idea, but I hate about half of the crew. Nevertheless if I could transfer the likes of Kira and Worf to the Delta quadrant I'd get along better with that series.

>>25904

I'm not sure I see much of a distinction between liking the characters and just liking the show. Does religion is valid as a premise irritate you?

>>25904
I think everyone agrees that the Prophets and Bajor in general were boring and dragged the series. I was especially angry about the wormhole just disappearing a Dominion fleet in an explosion of bad writing but I still rate it higher than Voy just because so much of it was just boring and somehow uneventful with its own lasting impact being nerfing the Borg even further.

The true crime of DS9 though is that they never got an episode where Jeffrey Combs plays a character in every scene. And that we suffered Worf-Dax instead of seeing Quark rise up to lead a great Klingon house.

>>25907

If the wormhole is controlled by God like beings then just willing things that pass through it out of existence is presumably well within their power. I'll grant you the existential terror of that wasn't handled well.

I think Kai win is a perfect villian, and a big part of her power is the abuse of religion. I don't think you could have that character meaningfully exist without the religiously righteous aspect. I think you also need a cultural justification for why the bajorains aren't enlightened enough to just join the federation from the beginning. Religion being a pain in the arse, and sisko being elevated within it without believing in any of it, might be the finest and most nuanced attack on religion portrayed on screen.

We got jeffery Combes playing 2 well established on going characters in the same episode. That's enough for me.

>>25906
I do like the show. I said "I don't love the show", try to pay closer attention to the important things I say from now on. The characters within the plot are stronger than the plot itself, like with Mortimer and Whitehouse: Gone Fishing, for example.

The Federation does seem like a highly secular society, and I like that. However, the Prophets go beyond a depiction of religion, because they regularly and dramatically influence and change reality. In the real world all the praying and goat sacrifices you can muster aren't going to change a thing. But if they observably did, I know for a fact the TNG crew would be trying to figure out why. And if they kept changing things over a seven series arc, and the commander-then-captain of a space station was in frequent conversation with the beings on the receiving end of the prayers and flesh offerings, it seems logical to me that Starfleet would be more curious than they are depicted as being in DS9.

It's not like Sisko joins Kira in Bajoran church every Sunday. No, he makes potentially Federation altering tactical and strategic decisions based on visitations from unknown lifeforms, and, weirdly, no one seems that fussed.

>>25907
Yeah, the fleet vanishing always felt especially un-Star Trek, as well as being a bit of a damp squib narratively. Apprently the Prophets, powerful as they are, sometimes forget that they like Bajor and don't want it to be turned into a ruined husk of a planet. Again.

I quite like Worf and Dax as a couple. Their wedding episode is good fun, at least.

I think you're right to say Voyager is boring. Not long after you've chewed through years of Kazon flavoured gristle and fat, you're being force-fed everything you never wanted to know about the Borg. And then they get genocided, despite there being a whole episode of TNG explaining why that's probably a bad thing.

>>25909
>I do like the show. I said "I don't love the show", try to pay closer attention to the important things I say from now on


I don't know you're an equivocating bell end. I just have a justifiable belief you're an equivocating bell end.

Now you can not get upset because I never called you a bell end I just said I believe you are.

>>25917
You know, when someone says their opinions about Star Trek DS9 are "important", they might not be saying say in an entirely serious manner. Just some food for thought. Or you're annoyed because I think DS9 is probably a 6/10 show overall, in which case heaven help you.

>>25919

DS9 is actually irrelivant I think you are a prick based on the way you carry yourself. The fact that you think your opinion on ds9 is the problem is probably the most telling thing.

>>25921
You might want to read the first setence of my post again where I offer up the idea that I was joking. You know jokes, right? And the worst part! The most terrible part is that it wasn't even a joke at anyone's expense but my own. Because obviously, you'd have to be very pompous to seriously believe that your opinions about DS9 are "important".

Your last chance to cop to getting upset over nothing. After that? Very serious repercussions, mark my words.

>>25922
I said it had nothing to do with ds9 try to pay closer attention to the important things I say from now on.

>>25923
I will, I will! it's just difficult because you lack a basic grasp of grammar, you're a tedious oaf, and you have a singular desire to start arguments about jokes that weren't even at your expense.

>>25924

Singular desire? you said you don't love ds9 I asked if it was because of the religion? and you told me just don't love it doesn't mean you don't like it in an incredibly condescending tone not that I said anything about you not liking it.


When I told you were being a bell end you proceeded to repeatedly tell me how I shouldn't be so sensitive about DS9 repeatedly. missing the entire point that my problem is that you communicate like a twat.

>>25926
In hindsight, I wish I had been rude to you. If only I knew then how little respect you are owed.

Calm down, the pair of you femboys.

>>25928

I'm picturing these two as Mike Stoklasa and Rich Evans. I only picture furlad as a femboy.

>>25928
Trekkies, man.