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|>>|| No. 20473
If anyone's interested, Voyager and TNG are continually playing at http://vaughnlive.tv/downlorrd .
Also general Star Trek thread, what do you think of the new movies? What setting would you want a new series to be in?
|>>|| No. 22053
It may just grow the beard yet. New ST series are never very good to start with.
|>>|| No. 22056
I watched a couple of episodes yesterday and I'm curious, where should I start watching ST from and in what order?
|>>|| No. 22057
I would never have pointed it out but RLM used it as well so I was wondering if some new classification was going on what with us living in the future and all.
If you can stomach mid-60s sci-fi on a shoestring budget then do the release order (it helps to warm up with the 1959 Twilight Zone):
Otherwise start on TNG. Most people (wrongly) suggest doing it by series which is simpler but forgets that the broadcast order exists. This looks complicated but things will never be as good again:
1) Start with the TNG episode 'Darmok' to give you a taste of peak Trek because the first season or two is going to be a struggle.
2) Watch solely TNG from the pilot* until S6E11 (the second episode of Picard talking about lights) and then alternate episodes with DS9 starting with the pilot.
3) TNG will end. Watch the VII movie Generations and continue DS9 up until the episode where Quark finds a baby then alternate with VOY episodes.
4) Before S5E6 of DS9 watch the TOS episode 'The Trouble with Tribbles' then watch the episode - trust me it is a really cool episode and I can't think of any other franchises that have done what this does.
5) After S5E8 of DS9 watch the VIII movie First Contact (important for main plot).
6) After S7E9 of DS9 watch IX movie Insurrection (movie plot motivation improved)
6) DS9 will end, VOY will end. Watch the X movie Nemesis then ENT from the pilot onwards. Feel a void in your life and start watching TOS.
*The movies can generally be watched at your own leisure up until VI and all aside from V and maybe I are high-quality (VI may seem essential but Roddenberry didn't consider it rigid canon). I'd recommend watching all the movies up to VI before S6E4 of TNG but I understand it is a tall order.
Note: Aside from TOS all series of Star Trek start pretty bad; TNG gets good when Riker grows a beard, DS9 gets good when Sisko loses his hair, VOY gets good when you meet 7of9, ENT gets good when American elections become more unpredictable. Keep the faith.
Note 2: There is an animated series but its not canon. Watch it after TOS if you want.
Games: Star Trek: 25th Anniversary and it's sequel Judgment Rites are legitimately good games and nicely conclude TOS. The last mission (if done right) perfectly sums up the message of ST come to think of it.
|>>|| No. 22058
I've seen the Darmok episode and all of the original TZ run so I'll go with the release order, thanks for the tip.
|>>|| No. 22355
So I tried bumping this thread the other day and messed it up, but here goes nothing.
Isn't Star Trek Discovery fucking grim. It's like a bad acid trip, space looks like Dadaist nightmarescape and everyone's a prick, what happened to the Federation's utopian society? And now there's terrorist Vulcans?! It's so depressing. Was watching TOS in the sixties this upsetting?
Careful on any spoilerino's, I'm only on episode six.
|>>|| No. 22356
Your spoiler text is definately the most offensive point of the whole series paticularly the label they are given. I found discovery more indearing in the secound half but I might have been punch drunk from how awful the first half was I'd be willing to accept anything that was remotely reasonable.
|>>|| No. 22358
It's all... "gritty". If you pretend it's not Star Trek it's a resonable SciFi series but it does lack the promise of utopia, there within grasping distance even if enternally out of reach, that the series up until ST:V had.
|>>|| No. 22359
That's my big problem with Discovery, it's "not Star Trek", which is fine, except they call it Star Trek so I'm constantly second guessing it against my own expectations. Maybe they should have done a Mass Effect TV show or something, then you can be as bleak, sleezy and sarcastic as you want. Michael would have made a good Renegade Shep, to be honest.
Anyway, I liked the mirror universe and the characters are mostly quite good. It just rang very, very hollow when they decided genocide against the entire Klingon homeworld was not-exactly-cricket as far as the Federation was concerned, and I can't see that lady Klingon lasting long in charge, "holding the planet hostage with a bomb its enemies put there" isn't a win for the ideas of Klingon Jesus.
Lense flares and dutch angles aren't my idea of great cinematography either. THERE'S SO MANY LIGHTS EVERYWHERE IT HURTS MY POOR BRAIN!
|>>|| No. 22360
>Its a shame that it got canned as soon as it was finding its feet despite most Trek needing 3 seasons to find its feet.
I think all Trek seasons have their good and bad episodes, season 2 of Voyager simultaneously has both my favourite (Death Wish 9/10) and most hated (Twisted 1/10, Threshold 1/10) Voyager episodes.
|>>|| No. 22361
>Lense flares and dutch angles aren't my idea of great cinematography either.
Speaking of cinematography, why are the ships in Discovery so blue?
|>>|| No. 22362
I'm not sure, but in fairness they did mention that the Terrans are photosensitive and prefer the dark.
|>>|| No. 22365
Those were all made back in the days when colours other than orange or blue were still acceptable.
|>>|| No. 22366
CBS and Paramount Pictures have unreasonable restrictions on fan fiction.
>The fan production must be less than 15 minutes for a single self-contained story, or no more than 2 segments, episodes or parts, not to exceed 30 minutes total, with no additional seasons, episodes, parts, sequels or remakes.
>The fan production must be family friendly and suitable for public presentation. Videos must not include profanity, nudity, obscenity, pornography, depictions of drugs, alcohol, tobacco, or any harmful or illegal activity, or any material that is offensive, fraudulent, defamatory, libelous, disparaging, sexually explicit, threatening, hateful, or any other inappropriate content. The content of the fan production cannot violate any individual’s right of privacy.
|>>|| No. 22368
Because it ruins his idea for a story, where Troy and Crusher are beamed down to a planet to provide medical aid and counselling to some stranded chaps, but get brutally gang raped.
|>>|| No. 22369
>Because it ruins his idea for a story, where Troy and Crusher are beamed down to a planet to provide medical aid and counselling to some stranded chaps, but get brutally gang raped.
You missed the part where the gang-rape takes 19 minutes.
|>>|| No. 22371
I'm not sure anyone's ever produced a 19-minute gang-rape scene before, on video or in animation. At least, based on what I've been told.
|>>|| No. 22427
Does anyone want to watch and rate TNG with me? I've just started season 6, they're all on Netflix.
I am disabled and have no friends so it would be much appreciated. I've been through and rated all of Voyager so we can discuss those, and I might re-watch and rate all of DS9.
|>>|| No. 22430
I'm just doing a TNG rewatch at the minute actually. I know every episode back to front but I've not actually seen the blu-ray edits before and I'm totally blown away by how bright and clear everything is.
I'd definitely be up for some kind of discussion (here or elsewhere) about any episode of Trek (except Discovery) whenever really. I have a lot of free time and I ate, slept and breathed my old VHS tapes of TNG in particular from as far back as I can remember.
|>>|| No. 22477
Not really, but he does look like he's trying to be Avery Brooks Jnr, but I can't think of a good reason not to.
|>>|| No. 22534
Why T'kuvma? Initially his motivations were coherent but his whole arc became horribly convoluted.
Because I can watch both. This season of Orville hasn't been good either for that matter.
|>>|| No. 22538
Season 2 is creating yet more inaccuracies as far as canon is concerned - I wish CBS would just admit that it's a separate continuity instead of stubbornly insisting it's Prime Universe and randomly throwing in elements from TOS as if that fixes everything. Burnham is still the absolute worst character, I'm genuinely struggling to understand why she is still wearing a uniform when she is STILL regularly disobeying direct orders. Tilly is the only highlight for me, especially now she's put a bit more weight on, but even her appeal is waning. There's a rumour going around the show has been cancelled, I for one am hoping it's true. Star Trek? Shit Trek.
The Orville, however, continues to excel.
|>>|| No. 22539
Other than the spore drive being retarded, annoys me greatly, what else breaks canon? I'm struggling to think what you mean, but at a guess.
The Enterprise went on at least two 5 year missions before Kirk even set foot on board and Pike is the 3rd person to captain her, so it appearing is fine.
The event which altered Klingon DNA and made them all homogeneous hasn't happened yet, which is why they're so varied. Prime timeline Klingons do appear in the rear of several scenes in season one though.
Uh, mirror universe? Regardless, there has never been a series of Trek with a good Season 1. Hopefully it turns things around, as every other Trek has turned it around by the end of Season 2 and are well loved. Even Enterprise.
|>>|| No. 22540
Spock never had an adopted human sister. Season 1 showed a 'D7 Battle Cruiser' which looks nothing at all like the established one from TOS, Season 2 trailer showed the ones from TOS so that's going to confuse things even more. Pike and co have shown upnin the red, blue and yellow uniform scheme whoch they shouldn't have at that time - Kirk, Spock and co still had the uniforms from The Cage in the firat Kirk episode. Discovery herself is wayyyy too big or advanced for a Starfleet ship of that era. I won't go on.
|>>|| No. 22541
Honestly, for me at least, almost everything there is forgivable or ignorable. The one thing that isn't is the Discovery being so advanced. It's like watching Les Miserables but they keep stopping to check their smart phones, it simply doesn't gel.
Oh, and the entire show is pig ugly.
|>>|| No. 22546
This week, Captain Pike heroically threw himself on a Phaser set on overload AND LIVED. It should have blown a hole in his chest. Seriously, this show is a joke
|>>|| No. 22549
I haven't been watching but that sounds like the writing has crossed the threshold of not just being insulting to the dedicated star trek fan but insulting to everyone.
|>>|| No. 22550
I really liked this weeks episode of the Orville. Maybe it was just a rehash of when Data got a girlfriend but it explored the idea much further and I found it very touching how they went about it.
It could just be that I'm completely powerless over against a love-story though.
Next week you'll make a discovery of just how bad things can really get. Then you'll remember the episode is a set-up to it's own spin-off series that you'll have to watch.
I didn't even mind the Space-Unitarians because at least the episode had some perspective to it and we got to see another crew member out of a bridge chair. There was even some mild pondering over ethical questions which more than forgives a nitpick about phaser explosions.
|>>|| No. 22551
>mild pondering over ethical questions
Ah yes, General Order One. Which actually ceased to apply the moment they discovered that the population were not indigenous to the planet and did have knowledge of technology, yet Pike and co were still trying to act like it still applied after that point.
|>>|| No. 22552
I realise I'm late to the party but is The Orville literally a funny cover version of TNG?
I think I'd enjoy that, but I sort of hate Seth McFarlane, is he alright in it?
|>>|| No. 22553
He doesn't try to be funny much and the show is generally much less about him than it is other characters, especially compared to family guy where he voices everyone.
|>>|| No. 22554
He said it would be a comedy just because that was a requirement for him getting the show made. He really just wants to make tng and hired a load of the old writers.
|>>|| No. 22555
I'm not a huge fan of Seth's solo work since I think he's a bit one-dimensional and is an amateurish director (A Million Ways to Die in the West was a mess) but the fact he's taken more of a back seat and made this out of affection gets me really interested. I too absolutely love TNG. Gonna give Orville a go, lads.
|>>|| No. 22556
I don't see why being native would change the calculation. The Prime Directive relates to pre-warp cultures which they had become a distinct example of and their knowledge was at that point a religious myth.
Obviously their culture had already been influenced to its core by contact with a (presumably) warp civilization but after hundreds of years does that change? And what could Discovery realistically do if it did decide to intervene somewhere so far removed from the Federation beside leave shed-loads of technology and let them have at it? I think it's a judgement call and Pike was right to play it safe.
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