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>> No. 21977 Anonymous
17th December 2017
Sunday 2:37 am
21977 Star Wars: The Last Jedi
I don't know what I was expecting, but I wasn't expecting lore breaking dues ex machina fuckery and overt character assassination.

It's fucking shite.
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>> No. 21978 Anonymous
17th December 2017
Sunday 2:46 am
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I didn't mind it that much. I found the appearance of Carrie Fisher more poignant than I was expecting - in real life she was a fucking nutter, in the film she was actually pretty good. I found the whole thing an entertaining homage to the original three. I had not seen a Star Wars movie for ages but I actually enjoyed it. I thought Daisy Ridley and Adam Driver were really good.
>> No. 21979 Anonymous
17th December 2017
Sunday 2:59 am
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Rey and Kylo are the only good thing about it, the rest of the scenes are weak, serve no narritive purpose or jump the shark. Not to mention facetious humour during tense scenes.
>> No. 21981 Anonymous
17th December 2017
Sunday 3:03 am
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>> No. 21983 Anonymous
17th December 2017
Sunday 3:12 am
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Talking of scenes, I thought the CGI and stuff really cool - much of it was filmed quite locally to me at Longcross Studios and it was amazing to see how well it was integrated into the film.
>> No. 21984 Anonymous
17th December 2017
Sunday 3:15 am
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TLJ has top notch cinematography, which can sell me a film, it's just not very good anywhere else. A bit like Pacific Rim. Navarro had me caring what happened in a giant robot fight straight out of an anime, it's still a shit film that I watch all the time. The difference is that PR was a new IP and TLJ shits on established canon too much to get a pass from me.
>> No. 21985 Anonymous
17th December 2017
Sunday 8:10 am
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Hasn't Mark Hamill come out and said he regrets getting involved in the new films and hates everything they've done with Luke?
>> No. 21986 Anonymous
17th December 2017
Sunday 11:04 am
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I like everything about it other than the plot. The love story is told awfully but my main grievance is the fact that what half the main characters do counts for fuck all. Not because they are defeated by an opponent but because their higher ups are so shit at communicating an idea the lower ranks muitany, or because people inescapably love them.

If the first it is supposed to be a character arc for Poe to learn not to be so reackless it fails since the higher ranks idea was so terrible and reckless that it results in the loss of all equipment and all the resistance bar the people who can fit on the falcon, and in fact they would have all died if unbeknownst to them Ray and Luke hadn't decided to turn up to help.

>> No. 21987 Anonymous
17th December 2017
Sunday 12:45 pm
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You fuckers had better put everything in spoiler tags until I see it, dammit!
>> No. 21988 Anonymous
17th December 2017
Sunday 12:59 pm
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Leia flies like Superman/Mary Poppins.

Luke spends the Original Trilogy refusing to kill his father because he believes there's some good in him. He wants to kill his nephew because he senses a tiny bit of darkness inside him.

Any character you hoped might get fleshed out, like Snoke, doesn't.

Rey cannot act for shit.

Disney have decided to copy Guardians of the Galaxy.

>> No. 21989 Anonymous
17th December 2017
Sunday 1:20 pm
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Star Wars is shit
>> No. 21990 Anonymous
17th December 2017
Sunday 6:28 pm
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It's just a marvel universe type thing now.
>> No. 21991 Anonymous
17th December 2017
Sunday 6:53 pm
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What the fuck is wrong with these ridiculous thumbnails?
>> No. 21992 Anonymous
19th December 2017
Tuesday 1:07 am
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Any engineering lads care to comment on how easy it would be to overide a fundamental safety protocol that, if the conditions aren't met, wont allow the machine to function and then weaponise it? Could you overide such a protocol, so integral to the design of the machine, from the bridge of, say, a space ship or would you need to rewire it? The machine is also semi-sentient and would also need reprogramming.

A hyperspeed ram is the biggest shark jump since that 2012 disaster film rewrote the laws of physics. Even if Snoke's dreadnaught had a powerful enough gravity shadow to pull Ackbar's ship out of Hyperspace, the ship wouldn't have let her jump in that direction, for reasons which become apparent after she does it because it causes a catastrophic light speed collision which atomise half a fleet, because Hyperdrives have AI to avoid EXACTLY what happened from occurring. It also begs the question: Why build Hyperspace weapons like Starkiller base when you can strap a Hyperdrive to an asteroid for a fraction of the price?

>> No. 21993 Anonymous
19th December 2017
Tuesday 1:48 am
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Is it as fucking depressing as Rogue One? That film would have been genuinely horrible to watch if I cared about any character other than the one Riz MC was playing (because it was Riz MC not because of good writing or anything).
>> No. 21994 Anonymous
19th December 2017
Tuesday 11:20 am
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>Is it as fucking depressing as Rogue One?

Depends how much you like Luke as a character.
>> No. 21995 Anonymous
19th December 2017
Tuesday 12:20 pm
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It's more about how hopeless and pointless his death is. I can't imagine I'd be having a bit of weep regardless, but in Rogue One they just starting fragging folks like it was a CoD match. But I was similarly interested in the characters so I wasn't overly bothered.
>> No. 21996 Anonymous
19th December 2017
Tuesday 12:40 pm
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Hey thanks for that you cunts.
>> No. 21997 Anonymous
19th December 2017
Tuesday 2:49 pm
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Ask purps if he's got their addresses so you can shitexpress them.
>> No. 21998 Anonymous
19th December 2017
Tuesday 5:12 pm
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I thought it was alright.
>> No. 21999 Anonymous
20th December 2017
Wednesday 1:51 am
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I saw a tweet that someone had had that a bloke telling her why he didn't like the film was mansplaining. I'm fucking sick of this planet.
>> No. 22000 Anonymous
20th December 2017
Wednesday 7:42 am
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I remember seeing an online debate between a Labour MSP and an SNP activist. As soon as the MSP started winning the argument and asking questions she couldn't answer she changed tack and kept accusing him of mansplaining and being a big man for debating with a little girl (who was actually in her twenties).
>> No. 22001 Anonymous
20th December 2017
Wednesday 12:47 pm
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What are our bets for Episode IX given what has happened?

Apparently Rian Johnson is off for the next episode and has instead been given the greenlight to do his own trilogy. Oh goodie.
>> No. 22002 Anonymous
20th December 2017
Wednesday 2:04 pm
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There was a tiny subtle bit in the Canto Bight section where Rey showed the kids her secret Rebellion ring and one of the kids moved a brush with what seemed like a bit of Force action.
>> No. 22003 Anonymous
20th December 2017
Wednesday 2:35 pm
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Nothing, there's nothing to lead us on, I have no reason to watch episode nine.
>> No. 22004 Anonymous
20th December 2017
Wednesday 4:10 pm
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This film is like one of those Anime filler episodes which don't have any relation to the rest of the Arc, except it's act two of 3 act story and that is fucking retarded screen writing.
>> No. 22005 Anonymous
20th December 2017
Wednesday 4:30 pm
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It killed off a few people and introduced BB-8s nemesis and a few other characters, it definitely advanced events, it just did it in a way that was emotionally unsatisfying, so it isn't filler just not well executed.

It is more like getting blue balls. The director is too caught up with being different and clever that they fake out on the logical plot beats. Smacking down Poe and Finn and never giving them a pay off makes the audience frustrated
>> No. 22006 Anonymous
20th December 2017
Wednesday 5:11 pm
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Mark has been saying for months he didn't like how his character was treated by Rian, they had to have anticipated backlash.

>> No. 22007 Anonymous
20th December 2017
Wednesday 7:26 pm
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Can someone post a spoilered, condensed version of the plot and why it's such a deviation from the franchise? I tried reading a synopsis from Wikipedia but it's so full of unfamiliar nouns that it's impossible to read. Articles explaining the 'backlash' from fans are unbelievably long-winded.
>> No. 22008 Anonymous
20th December 2017
Wednesday 8:21 pm
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>> No. 22009 Anonymous
21st December 2017
Thursday 3:52 am
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So here's the daft, unimportant, non-spoiler stuff that I don't get, up front. Firstly, how did the tide between the Rebellion, formerly the Republic, and back again, get so much weaker than the First Order? Did the Rebellion Nee Republic just slash the military budget when they took over? Did the New Order get their own part of the galaxy in a post-New Hope peace settlement and then pulled an German Rearmament thing like after 1933? It's not a plot hole but I can't wrap my head around how it happened and it almost makes the original films lessons in futility, because the bad men are back and now they're even deadlier, and one of them is Brienne of Tarth and she's not even a bloke (getting women into the workforce means they have an even more powerful economy and could be as big of a boost to their war efforts as a whole fleet of Star Destroyers).

But now onto the actually spoilery parts: I thought Luke was just messing with Rey the same way Yoda did before he trained Luke, but then he wasn't, which was fine. Then Luke starts explaining why the Jedi are hopeless, which is kind of a big deal in a Star Wars film and really had my attention. His point makes sense too, that the Jedi just become full of themselves and gain the sanctimony that seems like a prerequisite to being a Sith. We hear a lot in The Prequels about bringing balance to The Force, but it actually just means destroying the Sith, which doesn't seem balanced at all. Good, probably, but not "balanced", so this was a compelling, new image of The Force, one without the need for either order. And this really seems like the overarching theme of the film. There are more allusions to the idea of wholeness than I can begin to remember; Rose and her sister's necklaces, Rey and Ren's weird, awkward, teenage-esque, pseudo-romance, and Poe realising that for the Rebellion to thrive he needs to be a part of a larger collective, not Clint Eastwood in an X-Wing. The idea that you can't just take a cricket bat to your opposition and bash them into submission is bordering on revolutionary in a blockbuster film like this one, and the way the film points out the Rebels get their weapons from the same people as the First Order, suggesting that even if you're the "good guys", you can be more like the "bad guys" than you'd want to admit, simply by engaging in a pitched conflict, whether military, political or personal, is actually very clever and I enjoyed it a lot.

However, the final half an hour seems dedicated to rebooting the old conflict and undoing what a great portion of the films prior efforts. Despite hammering home the supposed futility of a forever war between absolute good and absolute evil, the film launches into a restaging of the most visually and emotionally quintessential good versus evil event of the Star Wars series to date; the battle of Hoth. A battle that sees the outgunned Rebellion cover its fleeing members from the hulking weight of Imperial walkers and Star Destroyers. A battle whose visuals, with dark, angular machines, marching on men, defending brightly coloured, smooth looking transports, tell half the story without a second thought. A battle so clearly inspired by the real-life events of both the Dunquerke evacuation and later Ardennes Offensive, in which the Western Allies did battle with the Nazis, that even a normal, non-WW2 obsessive could recognise it, is then retold in this new film that was seemingly about true balance through cooperation and the rejection of endless opposition. It made no sense and left me flabbergasted for that last thirty or so minutes.

If it hadn't have happened, I'd have been willing to overlook the other poor elements of the film. The whole trip to the space casino seems rather pointless after Finn gets saved, meaning his character did essentially nothing the whole film. I'm confused no one thought to ram a ship before now, it might literally be the oldest trick in the ship on ship combat manual, and is apparently unbelievably effective. Are we supposed to like Poe? He's a complete dickhead, but the film just gives him the slightest telling off, and even when that happens foreboding music plays over the Vice Admiral to imply she's being too mean, even though this is a military organisation, with extremely limited resources, which just watched its bomber fleet get annihilated in the name of Poe's vanity and inability to act professionally, he sort of learns his lesson, and saves the lives of half a dozen pilots and some junked speeders they didn't need, after getting hundreds killed and giving the Rebellion's entire secret plan away; hurray for Poe? No, he needs to be court-martialled yesterday. And Leia is a Jedi, kind of? That made no sense, just none. There's a lot of new Force stuff in this and that's fine because it's magic, but getting spaced, freezing to death, then undoing all of that is a hell of a opener for someone who's never so much as meditated in a swamp before. I'm sure there's other stuff too, but this post is already so massive I should be getting a commission.

The damnedest thing is I'm not even massive Star Wars fan or anything.
>> No. 22010 Anonymous
21st December 2017
Thursday 8:46 am
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Why is everybody blowing their collective beans over Leia floating through space? It's obvious that she'd be Force-sensitive and that being so doesn't necessarily make you part of the Jedi—Sith dichotomy. Everybody's forgetting that she's the daughter of one of the most powerful Force users in the galaxy and survived imprisonment by the infamous Hutt criminal cartels. Floating a few yards through the vacuum of space to avoid certain death is fine and contributes towards the overarching motif of the Force existing as a balance between all things rather than some definitive good-versus-evil struggle.

With that said, most of the film fucked itself towards the tacked-on final act and Poe's a prick. Give us Rogue Two.
>> No. 22011 Anonymous
21st December 2017
Thursday 10:59 am
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What was remotely enjoyable about Rogue One?
>> No. 22012 Anonymous
21st December 2017
Thursday 11:10 am
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The robot was funny and cool. It had the Empire in which is better than the First Order.
>> No. 22013 Anonymous
21st December 2017
Thursday 11:56 am
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Well there was a bit more at stake for one...
>> No. 22014 Anonymous
21st December 2017
Thursday 2:17 pm
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I liked the movie, but that was the actual weakest part.
>> No. 22015 Anonymous
21st December 2017
Thursday 2:32 pm
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The robot was the only one with a hint of personality.


Oh aye, I was on the edge of my seat wondering whether they'd get the Death Star plans, a proper nail biter that one.

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