>>21977 I didn't mind it that much. I found the appearance of Carrie Fisher more poignant than I was expecting - in real life she was a fucking nutter, in the film she was actually pretty good. I found the whole thing an entertaining homage to the original three. I had not seen a Star Wars movie for ages but I actually enjoyed it. I thought Daisy Ridley and Adam Driver were really good.
Rey and Kylo are the only good thing about it, the rest of the scenes are weak, serve no narritive purpose or jump the shark. Not to mention facetious humour during tense scenes.
>>21981 Talking of scenes, I thought the CGI and stuff really cool - much of it was filmed quite locally to me at Longcross Studios and it was amazing to see how well it was integrated into the film.
TLJ has top notch cinematography, which can sell me a film, it's just not very good anywhere else. A bit like Pacific Rim. Navarro had me caring what happened in a giant robot fight straight out of an anime, it's still a shit film that I watch all the time. The difference is that PR was a new IP and TLJ shits on established canon too much to get a pass from me.
I like everything about it other than the plot. The love story is told awfully but my main grievance is the fact that what half the main characters do counts for fuck all. Not because they are defeated by an opponent but because their higher ups are so shit at communicating an idea the lower ranks muitany, or because people inescapably love them.
If the first it is supposed to be a character arc for Poe to learn not to be so reackless it fails since the higher ranks idea was so terrible and reckless that it results in the loss of all equipment and all the resistance bar the people who can fit on the falcon, and in fact they would have all died if unbeknownst to them Ray and Luke hadn't decided to turn up to help.
Luke spends the Original Trilogy refusing to kill his father because he believes there's some good in him. He wants to kill his nephew because he senses a tiny bit of darkness inside him.
Any character you hoped might get fleshed out, like Snoke, doesn't.
Rey cannot act for shit.
Disney have decided to copy Guardians of the Galaxy.
Any engineering lads care to comment on how easy it would be to overide a fundamental safety protocol that, if the conditions aren't met, wont allow the machine to function and then weaponise it? Could you overide such a protocol, so integral to the design of the machine, from the bridge of, say, a space ship or would you need to rewire it? The machine is also semi-sentient and would also need reprogramming.
A hyperspeed ram is the biggest shark jump since that 2012 disaster film rewrote the laws of physics. Even if Snoke's dreadnaught had a powerful enough gravity shadow to pull Ackbar's ship out of Hyperspace, the ship wouldn't have let her jump in that direction, for reasons which become apparent after she does it because it causes a catastrophic light speed collision which atomise half a fleet, because Hyperdrives have AI to avoid EXACTLY what happened from occurring. It also begs the question: Why build Hyperspace weapons like Starkiller base when you can strap a Hyperdrive to an asteroid for a fraction of the price?
Is it as fucking depressing as Rogue One? That film would have been genuinely horrible to watch if I cared about any character other than the one Riz MC was playing (because it was Riz MC not because of good writing or anything).
It's more about how hopeless and pointless his death is. I can't imagine I'd be having a bit of weep regardless, but in Rogue One they just starting fragging folks like it was a CoD match. But I was similarly interested in the characters so I wasn't overly bothered.
>>21999 I remember seeing an online debate between a Labour MSP and an SNP activist. As soon as the MSP started winning the argument and asking questions she couldn't answer she changed tack and kept accusing him of mansplaining and being a big man for debating with a little girl (who was actually in her twenties).
>>22001 There was a tiny subtle bit in the Canto Bight section where Rey showed the kids her secret Rebellion ring and one of the kids moved a brush with what seemed like a bit of Force action.
This film is like one of those Anime filler episodes which don't have any relation to the rest of the Arc, except it's act two of 3 act story and that is fucking retarded screen writing.
It killed off a few people and introduced BB-8s nemesis and a few other characters, it definitely advanced events, it just did it in a way that was emotionally unsatisfying, so it isn't filler just not well executed.
It is more like getting blue balls. The director is too caught up with being different and clever that they fake out on the logical plot beats. Smacking down Poe and Finn and never giving them a pay off makes the audience frustrated
Can someone post a spoilered, condensed version of the plot and why it's such a deviation from the franchise? I tried reading a synopsis from Wikipedia but it's so full of unfamiliar nouns that it's impossible to read. Articles explaining the 'backlash' from fans are unbelievably long-winded.
So here's the daft, unimportant, non-spoiler stuff that I don't get, up front. Firstly, how did the tide between the Rebellion, formerly the Republic, and back again, get so much weaker than the First Order? Did the Rebellion Nee Republic just slash the military budget when they took over? Did the New Order get their own part of the galaxy in a post-New Hope peace settlement and then pulled an German Rearmament thing like after 1933? It's not a plot hole but I can't wrap my head around how it happened and it almost makes the original films lessons in futility, because the bad men are back and now they're even deadlier, and one of them is Brienne of Tarth and she's not even a bloke (getting women into the workforce means they have an even more powerful economy and could be as big of a boost to their war efforts as a whole fleet of Star Destroyers).
But now onto the actually spoilery parts: I thought Luke was just messing with Rey the same way Yoda did before he trained Luke, but then he wasn't, which was fine. Then Luke starts explaining why the Jedi are hopeless, which is kind of a big deal in a Star Wars film and really had my attention. His point makes sense too, that the Jedi just become full of themselves and gain the sanctimony that seems like a prerequisite to being a Sith. We hear a lot in The Prequels about bringing balance to The Force, but it actually just means destroying the Sith, which doesn't seem balanced at all. Good, probably, but not "balanced", so this was a compelling, new image of The Force, one without the need for either order. And this really seems like the overarching theme of the film. There are more allusions to the idea of wholeness than I can begin to remember; Rose and her sister's necklaces, Rey and Ren's weird, awkward, teenage-esque, pseudo-romance, and Poe realising that for the Rebellion to thrive he needs to be a part of a larger collective, not Clint Eastwood in an X-Wing. The idea that you can't just take a cricket bat to your opposition and bash them into submission is bordering on revolutionary in a blockbuster film like this one, and the way the film points out the Rebels get their weapons from the same people as the First Order, suggesting that even if you're the "good guys", you can be more like the "bad guys" than you'd want to admit, simply by engaging in a pitched conflict, whether military, political or personal, is actually very clever and I enjoyed it a lot.
However, the final half an hour seems dedicated to rebooting the old conflict and undoing what a great portion of the films prior efforts. Despite hammering home the supposed futility of a forever war between absolute good and absolute evil, the film launches into a restaging of the most visually and emotionally quintessential good versus evil event of the Star Wars series to date; the battle of Hoth. A battle that sees the outgunned Rebellion cover its fleeing members from the hulking weight of Imperial walkers and Star Destroyers. A battle whose visuals, with dark, angular machines, marching on men, defending brightly coloured, smooth looking transports, tell half the story without a second thought. A battle so clearly inspired by the real-life events of both the Dunquerke evacuation and later Ardennes Offensive, in which the Western Allies did battle with the Nazis, that even a normal, non-WW2 obsessive could recognise it, is then retold in this new film that was seemingly about true balance through cooperation and the rejection of endless opposition. It made no sense and left me flabbergasted for that last thirty or so minutes.
If it hadn't have happened, I'd have been willing to overlook the other poor elements of the film. The whole trip to the space casino seems rather pointless after Finn gets saved, meaning his character did essentially nothing the whole film. I'm confused no one thought to ram a ship before now, it might literally be the oldest trick in the ship on ship combat manual, and is apparently unbelievably effective. Are we supposed to like Poe? He's a complete dickhead, but the film just gives him the slightest telling off, and even when that happens foreboding music plays over the Vice Admiral to imply she's being too mean, even though this is a military organisation, with extremely limited resources, which just watched its bomber fleet get annihilated in the name of Poe's vanity and inability to act professionally, he sort of learns his lesson, and saves the lives of half a dozen pilots and some junked speeders they didn't need, after getting hundreds killed and giving the Rebellion's entire secret plan away; hurray for Poe? No, he needs to be court-martialled yesterday. And Leia is a Jedi, kind of? That made no sense, just none. There's a lot of new Force stuff in this and that's fine because it's magic, but getting spaced, freezing to death, then undoing all of that is a hell of a opener for someone who's never so much as meditated in a swamp before. I'm sure there's other stuff too, but this post is already so massive I should be getting a commission.
The damnedest thing is I'm not even massive Star Wars fan or anything.
Why is everybody blowing their collective beans over Leia floating through space? It's obvious that she'd be Force-sensitive and that being so doesn't necessarily make you part of the Jedi—Sith dichotomy. Everybody's forgetting that she's the daughter of one of the most powerful Force users in the galaxy and survived imprisonment by the infamous Hutt criminal cartels. Floating a few yards through the vacuum of space to avoid certain death is fine and contributes towards the overarching motif of the Force existing as a balance between all things rather than some definitive good-versus-evil struggle.
With that said, most of the film fucked itself towards the tacked-on final act and Poe's a prick. Give us Rogue Two.
Pretty they may be, but only vaguely emotionally impactful. We are a long way away from how good the trench run was now days. I feel like only a handful of directors/screenwriters seem to appriciate the importance of set up. Or maybe it is the audiances fault? Maybe we have all started complaining that it is too boring when they want to establish context.
>>22046 The tense bit with the bombers at the beginning of Last Jedi was alright wasn't it? And it was involved in the set up of the arcs of both Captain Spaceman and Asian Twin.
Your right it was good.
I haven watched it since the premier I can't remember but is there any sort of tonal problem in the juxtaposition between the lighthearted frolic of captain spaceman where he feels indestructible and the idea that they are in real danger, and where we rapidly make the shift from anything that gets blown up being pure decoration of faceless NPCs to being real people.
It seemed trivial at the time but short clips when a unknown blew up of them screaming in the orginal was actually really important to getting you to engage properly with the action. It made it have consequences By comparison the combat in the prequels feels like a bunch of swarming ant that you show utter indifference to when your mum commits genocide and pours boiling hot water on when they get into the house.
Personally I found that by the final ten minutes, the bit of my brain that KNEW the plans would make it to Leia and it would all be okay was completely overridden by the sense that no, this is actually going to go horribly wrong and everything we know is somehow going to be undone. I've seen it a few times since and I still find myself gripped by that same feeling. Rogue One will eventually be recognised as the best Star Wars movie of the Disney era.
No, there are about nine or ten, you man-baby. Just because you're unhappy with what they've done with the IP doesn't make that media any less part of the same series. I'm saying this as a big fan of the Mass Effect series, so I know a thing or two about being let down. Rocky bought Paulie a robot and Luke thought about killing his own nephew, these things have happened and that's that. Whether or not you let that bother you is up to you.
According to people of the Jewish faith there is only one biblical testament.
According to some orthodox Star Wars fans, there are only three Star Wars movies.
This shouldn't be a difficult idea to grasp even for the sort of cretin who uses insults like "man-baby" and forgets to sage his bullshit self-gratifying posts.
There are only three Star Wars films. There are only three Indiana Jones films. There are only two Shrek films. There are only two series of The League of Gentlemen. There are only four Rocky films.
I fucking love rusks, me. That said, I couldn't give a shit about Star Wars but I do love watching spurious pea-brained nu-males posting nebulous infantile insults on an anonymous image board with less than a dozen users and still failing to grasp the basic use of the sage field.
"star wars is literally the bible don't question my faith, also I'm going to assume the person I'm replying to is the same one as an entirely different post"
>>22074 Frothing at the gills over bans is the best. Joke bans to a normal person are so obvious no one even comments, but they also reveal the “Do you know who I am?! I’ll have your badge” green ink types and forces them to respond else their libido be dented and their psyche permanently scarred.
What's ironic, of course, is that you've done exactly what you've accused me of doing ("replying to anonymous post as though they'd made (SIC) every post disagreeing with you") ; you have assumed that I made the posts >>22060, >>22062 and >>22064 when in fact I only made post >>22064.
Obviously it was I who got the ban, and not you (I mean, whoever heard of a mod banning himself? Now that would be a comedy ban with an actual touch of comedy).
Nonetheless, whinge over. Enough "frothing at the gills" for one lifetime I think.
During my twenty-four hour "comedy" ban there have been maybe a half a dozen posts to this entire site. If what's left of us started fracturing down the lines of "the one last mod who for some reason keeps on moderating Purpz' floating mausoleum in cyberspace decided to ban me because I called him a pooling of ejaculate without knowing he was a mod in disguise", then where would we be, we three; perhaps the last island of beauty... in the world?
You got banned for making an asinine argument, nobody cares what posts you made and nobody assumed anything other than you're a bit of a tit, which you're proving amply.
As others have mentioned it was pretty transparently a joke ban. I wasn't arguing at any time in this thread, I've only seen about two thirds of a Star Wars film in my entire life.
It worries me that you're so affected by this. You're clearly not all bad since you quoted Withnail but jesus lad, take a breath.
>>22079 > You got banned for making an asinine argument,
Capital. Beside the point of that completely contradicting the reason given in the original ban message, it was supposed to be tongue in cheek. Never mind.
> It worries me that you're so affected by this.
Don't worry m25, I'm not coming to raze the shedbunker to the ground or anything I can't anyway since you fuckers moved it to the cloud *grumble grumble* .
This asinine argument requires 2 sides to perpetuate. As an outsider the only difference I'm seeing is that one side has mod powers and the other doesn't. Someone with some sense please delete all of the offending posts (yes even the mod circlejerk ones (it really doesn't look good from the outside) and this one) .
I think you're just prolonging the argument by making points like this, no matter how valid. Not that there was ever a mod in this thread defending or lambasting Star Wars, just for the record. It'd be different if the lad got banned for being right (or wrong) about Star Wars, but what actually happened was he made an infuriatingly silly point and was comedy banned for it, at which point he asked for everyone's badge numbers and made it a whole thing, after which he was banned twice more for fun/autism.
Believe it or not, mods do not last long here if they make frequent over-judicious bannings.
>(it really doesn't look good from the outside)
Neither do heads on spikes at the castle walls, but it bloody works!
You could just write it off as racist misogynists being racist and misogynist, but I really don't understand why Kelly Marie Tran has got so much shit that she had to leave social media.
You may think her subplot was ridiculous, but her acting was fine and her character (even if she was to blame for her character) was at worst unremarkable. She wasn't annoying or lore-breaking or anything. She was just... in the film. I just can't fathom why anyone would choose to have a go at her.
She hasn't said anything to that affect from what I know it seems like the online gossip mill (read:news site) have taken it upon themselves to speculate that as the reason. Which seems a few too many steps into begging the question to me. (harrased by trolls and quit - sure that's one of the the many possible reasons.
Specificaly racists sexists going after her and quit - now that's just wishful thinking to fit a sensationalised narrative and get clicks).
It could very well be a completely personal or mundane reason, I don't think people need a good reason to quit social media, even celebrities.
Rian is the one who deserves the criticism for having her interrupt Finn's redemption moment, but the irony there is he wouldn't have needed that moment if they hadn't glossed over the character devolpment he had in TFA.
All in all, there was so many missteps that people are overwhelmed with things to criticise about it, but attacking an actress who at worst just followed direction seems like a uniquely American pastime. They're absolutely mental.
>>22335 It isn't, but saying it must be racists and sexists is.
And remember we still have no reason to suspect that that is the reason she left other than speculation at this point.
It would be like saying if you criticize Israel you must be an anti-Semitic who wants to exterminate the Jews. The two don't follow. Most of her trolls probably just though the last jedi was shit they aren't racist or sexist they just have misplaced fustration.
>>22336 Like I said before, if they aren't bigots and they thought the film was shit why would they have a go at her? There was nothing otherwise wrong with her.
>>22337 You sound dense now. You don't have to be a bigot to think the actor who played the character you didn't like ruined a movie, you just need to be making an emotional decision rather than the logical one.
People hate traffic wardens, it isn't their fault though that the law is what it is, it is just their job. But that doesn't stop people acting like it is their fault.
Rose is a character that feels like a shoe horned Mary sue and is the catalyst for the most jarring narrative choice in the film of course people are going to hate her and some people aren't wired in a way that they separate that from the actress.
People do it the other way all the time, and you probably do too, without questioning, People act like Patrick Stewart is great because he was Picard, but everything I've seen of him in real life makes him seem like a bit of a knob head.
>>22336 >>22338 Not the one you're arguing with, but I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest you've not bothered to check on the nature of the abuse before deciding it isn't racist or sexist. Just a hunch.
Since none of the 5+ news sites I've checked that didnt want permision to abuse my data have actually provide any examples of the harassment. I don't know what to tell you.
Well do you want to maybe demostrate what the racist and sexist harrasment was? Rather then presuming that because I can't prove their isn't a teapot floating by the moon there must be one?
>>22342 >Rather then presuming that because I can't prove their isn't a teapot floating by the moon there must be one?
Stop projecting, lad. It's unbecoming.
Who's projecting? my position is that I don't believe that she left because of racist or sexist motivated harrasment until shown any evidence that it was.
I remeber any critism of ghostbusters being labled as sexist when it wasn't, the issue was it looked shit and was. So I am no longer willing to take peoples word that something related to celebrity culture on social media is sexist, without seeing it for myself.
>>22344 >Who's projecting? my position is that I don't believe that she left because of racist or sexist motivated harrasment until shown any evidence that it was.
No, that's not your position. Your position is that she quit because of harassment by people accusing her of being shit. Unless you're backpedaling, as often happens when people are caught out trying to pull this sort of shenanigans.
>I remeber any critism of ghostbusters being labled as sexist when it wasn't, the issue was it looked shit and was.
Which of course explains why the cast were bombarded with racist and sexist abuse. When a black person is in a shit film, that totally justifies comparing them to a gorilla, right?
Get your head out of your arse and stop being willfully blind.
>>22345 >Your position is that she quit because of harassment by people accusing her of being shit
except of course when I said-
"She hasn't said anything to that affect from what I know it seems like the online gossip mill (read:news site) have taken it upon themselves to speculate that as the reason"
or
"It could very well be a completely personal or mundane reason, I don't think people need a good reason to quit social media, even celebrities."
in my first post
or
"remember we still have no reason to suspect that that is the reason she left other than speculation at this point"
in my second post
But other than all of the times you are wrong, you are right.
>>22345 >When a black person is in a shit film, that totally justifies comparing them to a gorilla, right?
Because we all know the half dosen or so people who made those comments and were banned from twitter represents all criticism of the ghostbusters film that was made and was being off hand dismissed as misogyny.
>>22352 Is menk actually a thing? I live in the countryside so you could make up pretty much any word and disguise it as ethnic slang around here. I'm going to invent three right now. Grebby. Lashwang. Deng-eye.
Also I can't be bothered to make a whole post about this in /101/ but what geriatric jobsworth decided that the suffix -wise should be appended to every random government initiative's advertising campaign? Like change4life's 'be treatwise'? Has anyone ever actually used the word 'streetwise'?
Sounds like she is learning self empowerment quite late if at all. I think staying away from social media is the best thing that could happen for her self esteem. She seems like she isn't psychologically equipped to handle social rejection she has been experiencing.
You get loads who are able to deal with it, you just don't think about it. Any major politician goes through this along with plenty of journalists, and controversial figures. The way they deal with it is evidently not putting any value in those comments.
Caught Return of the Jedi on ITV2 the other night, and I can't remember the last time I saw it.
A lot of it is pure shite. Ewoks are terrible, which is a shame because the commando raid gets to a great start with the speeder chase.
I forgot how crap C3PO is (he's a dick and annoying), but R2 is still likable.
On the other hand I like the barge scene, and the climactic space battle is still awesome, including the chase through the death star.
What really tops it off is the final confrontation with Vader and
Luke. It's as good as I remember.
And having reflected on the worst film of the original trilogy I can without a doubt say that The Last Jedi is a stupid film that needlessly shat all over established characters and wasted every opportunity it had to actually make interesting plot developments. It was basically over two hours of people doing things that lead to no actual change in the course of events (Kylo is still a dick, they still got caught, Rey is still a nobody, Leia is somehow still alive due to the worst plot armour I've seen recently). At least that awful marple haired twat died.
I always like to view the ewoks through the lens of a retelling of heart of darkness/ Apocalypse now from Kurtz point of view. The rebels are pretending to be gods to a tribe of flesh eating natives to get them to fight their war for them. It makes it all a bit more sinister and their morality more questionable. The heads are probably still in those hemets they play like a drum kit at the end.
All that really happened was a bit of abuse on Twitter whilst it was airing, most of it seeming to come from the type of person who'd have a crazy clown as their profile picture, but it's water off a duck's back. My work colleagues had compiled the worst ones to share with me the following day.
>>22446 They've only been showing new episodes of series 12 since the start of this month. Not saying which Chaser because one of you moon ovens would probably be able to identify me from that information alone.
Speaking from experience, if you got abuse on Twitter you probably took the minus offer, which is a cunt's trick and if so you deserved to lose, or you were so unbelievably thick that you infuriated viewers.
Mr "I went on national telly and I'll tell you just enough to show off but not enough for you to be able to actually SEE me!" Except by telling us that you got abuse on Twitter you have probably given away too much anyway.
Are any of the Star Wars novels worth reading? I know most of them are no longer canon, but I enjoy the Star Wars universe enough to want to see more about it. Particularly interested in Mandalorians because of the Disney Plus series.