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|>>|| No. 22094
There is another Docu about masons on BBC2 Scotland about the Grand Lodge of Scotland on Monday at 9 o'clock called "Secrets of the Masons", which looks like it could be quite interesting. Many English masons complained about their docu, but from what I gather from speaking to my brethern who've seen the video already, this one is quite good.
Worth a watch, if you're interested in
The IlluminatiMasonry and... I'll even answer any questions you lads have short of wilfully perjuring myself. Why not, could be a good thread.
|>>|| No. 22214
If you start selling my personality profile to the Russians I'll not be very pleased at all.
|>>|| No. 22217
I don't know if I'm insulted or relived.
Lovely choice of motor, though. I think about these things all the time, the sorts of cars that cost more to keep than they do to buy. The thought of running one scares the shite out of me. Imagine scratching the paint even. I'm not sure it'd suit me, I don't think I have the brass neck to cruise about in one. I'm working on it mind.
I've got it in my head that I want a GT-R after having a go in one at a track day. Cost aside though I don't dare drive anything that can make it over 70mph until my points expire.
|>>|| No. 22218
That's my other favourite car. I reckon a Nissan would be a lot cheaper to service and live with than a 458. Completely agree with you on the brass neck bit. Would keep it in the garage and just quietly
wank over lick it clean every Sunday.
|>>|| No. 22219
>I reckon a Nissan would be a lot cheaper to service and live with than a 458
Definitely, from what I've heard. It's a car I could realistically own too, especially second hand. Once the licence is clean again, anyway. They just drive so beautifully. It might be an odd comparison but I've not had so much fun in a corner since the MX-5. And they get 25 miles to the gallon.
>Would keep it in the garage and just quietly wank over lick it clean every Sunday.
This is what I've never understood. I absolutely understand having a car collection but I really couldn't bear owning something too precious to drive. I'd rather have something fun and interesting than something I'm scared to drive or you'd get mobbed every time you went out in.
I have a friend with a Gallardo and it's very stressful being out for a spin in that thing. Aside from the fact that turning a banked corner too quickly might cost you ten grand in repairs, every fucker stares at you, takes pictures of you, wants to talk to you. It's not something I enjoy. I suppose those are all positive reasons for Lambo owners.
I feel like you'd be under many people's radars with a GT-R - you'd only get accosted by like minded gearhead types.
|>>|| No. 22220
Also it's probably common knowledge but I didn't know the GTR's display will show you your fucking G-force when you turn. What more could you possibly want?
|>>|| No. 22223
There's something I really love about the idea of having an ex racer as well. I've always liked Caterhams and Atoms and such - though at that point I might as well just get a bike. I think part of my retirement will involve a camper van and a track car on a trailer. When I had an RX8 I met a load of mad old bastards who were doing exactly that.
>"Launch Mode" - I want that.
Oh fuck yes. I had forgotten about that. I'd definitely get into trouble in one of those things.
That site is dangerous, mind, what are you doing to me?! I can't think of a worse financial investment than a race car but that Lotus...
|>>|| No. 22227
Looks exactly like it, I doubt masonlad will confirm though.
Do you actually get to practice the handshake at these meetings? Does it take a long time to learn?
|>>|| No. 22228
My grandfather was a member of RAOB (known as the Buffs). Went every Sunday and loved it - spoke of many of the same benefits that you have spoken about. He had some of this kind of regalia that the Masons wear and it seemed sort of similar, only more public.
What's your understanding of the Buffs masonman? Are they like your lot in disguise (or perhaps the other way round). They were all much more open about it than you seem to be.
|>>|| No. 22229
>Does it take a long time to learn?
I bet it's simple but takes a load of practice to overcome your muscle memory. I handshake entirely subconsciously at this point, I don't even realise I'm sticking my hand out sometimes.
|>>|| No. 22230
Well consider me curious, masonlad. I was a Boy Scout, then a cadet so I've always had a thing for fraternal clubs.
Unfortunately whilst I see the appeal, I just don't think I could persistently lie and claim to believe in a Higher Power™, especially in a group dedicated to honour and self-improvement it would be a pretty fundamental flaw.
I'm curious about the third degree particularly, I know you won't give much away but what can you say about "dying and being born anew"?
|>>|| No. 22231
>I'm curious about the third degree particularly, I know you won't give much away but what can you say about "dying and being born anew"?
All you need to know is it involves bumming. Lots of bumming.
|>>|| No. 22232
It's entirely possible.
The RAOB are an offshot of freemasonry, follow all the same principles and tenents minus the allegory and mysticism, but I think instead you swear fealty to the monarch and not a higher power. Religious talk is very much banned, as far as I'm aware. Much like politics is in Freemasonry.
I was in the scouts as well, it's essentially a freemasonic training camp with less bummings. The 3rd degree is what everyone wants to know about, but I can safely say that I and most of my brothers would agree the 1st is by far the best. If you consider the things I've mentioned in this thread about making men better, raising them up and giving their life purpose then its symbolism isn't difficult to guess at and that ritual in particular is the reason people tend not to want to perjure themselves afterwards as you become aware of the sacrifices your forebearers made to keep the secrets of the craft and why to be taught them is a privilege.
The higher power you believe in could literally be the concept of disappointment. As long as you believe in something. There are lads who go through who swear their oath to the Great Mathematician or the Grand Geometrician of the Universe. "God" is just shorthand in that context.
|>>|| No. 22234
I'll put you out of your misery, lad. If you can see the handshake, it's not masonic. Masons cover their hands. Not all hand shakes are masonic, but all masonic grips are handshakes, etc.
|>>|| No. 22235
>If you can see the handshake, it's not masonic. Masons cover their hands.
Is that so other people can't see them feeling you up?
|>>|| No. 22237
They knew they were being filmed, so did that to throw you off the scent.
|>>|| No. 22238
Pretty much. Again, all masons cover their hands but not all people who cover their hands are masons.
Freemasonry was once so prevalent in our society we have lots of quirks which stem directly from it, but aren't necessarily directly correlated to membership any more. For example, "Getting the 3rd degree" is not a reference to being burned or "squaring up" someone you owe a favour/money to or the quintessential Scottishism "Square go" as in fair fight.
|>>|| No. 22239
You don't need to use a masonic handshake in a lodge full of vouched for masons. It's redundant.
|>>|| No. 22242
>Not buying it, seen far too many masonic looking handshakes that weren't covered up.
Thanks, professor. I look forward to your next paper.
>freemasonry is overly secretive
>members are using the handshake openly despite explicitly being forbidden from doing so
Only one of these can be true, lad.
|>>|| No. 22243
>Only one of these can be true, lad.
If it's truly secret, then it can be hidden in plain sight.
|>>|| No. 22244
Masonlad, what percentage of chaps who show interested or come to the open day or whatever end up as Brothers? Do you see a lot of people come in, look about and say 'no thanks', or are they more often than not captivated by the whole experience?
I can imagine a lot are underwhelmed when (if) they find out it's not the illuminati or a bummers cult, but it'd be equally telling if the majority that do get a sense of it end up staying.
I've been looking at local (newcastle if it matters) lodges and I must say it definitely seems to be majority older chaps, despite them advertising a student lodge based in both universities.
|>>|| No. 22245
Do you have Sky at the lodge? I'd like to start getting back into F1.
|>>|| No. 22247
Anyone the Lodge likes and is invited to continue usually does. I've seen people defer advancement because of work commitments and stuff, but they still make the time. What does happen is lads will do the 3 degrees, attend for a year and lapse for a while. There is a lot to learn (not even taking into account what is available for you to do off your own back), lots of people to meet and I think the pressure burns some people out as it can be a bit overwhelming. If they survive the first year, they stick at it though. Once you are familiar with protocol and once you know names and faces and they know yours, you can turn up at any lodge in your province and know someone or meet someone who either knows you or knows of you.
We don't, but some do. Lodges with licensed bars are open to the public as well, so be aware there is always a chance it might be the haunt of a nest of harpies who live on a diet of prosecco and the morning after pill. There isn't a single lodge in Scotland that doesn't have a bar, but England may be different.
|>>|| No. 22248
>There isn't a single lodge in Scotland that doesn't have a bar
Where do I sign up? Also where in Scotland isn't shit or in the middle of nowhere?
|>>|| No. 22251
Well, the places that are shit tend to be urban and the places that are good tend be more rural with good train links and motorway access. I think Falkirk and Stirling are the sweet spot. They have lots to do, lots to see and lots to explore and are both a 30 min train journey from Glasgow. Falkirk was also voted 2nd on the best places to live in Scotland, just below Inverness.
|>>|| No. 22252
Whatever, I left the "u" out of fucking so I'm getting my dunce cap and shutting up.
|>>|| No. 22253
Stirling is fucking steep and Falkirk High (the good station) looks a bit far out of town.
|>>|| No. 22254
This might be the funniest post in the thread.
(Also, if they do have F1, I too, am IN.)
|>>|| No. 22256
Because I'll get killed on the 10 minute walk, and the shops being at the bottom means having to walk the shopping back up. Is there not a vaguely respectable part of Glasgow somewhere? I hear that hipsters are starting to displace the neds from the West End.
|>>|| No. 22257
There are lots of nice places to live in Glasgow, but it can vary from street to street and building to building, because it's a city and cities are melting pots.
In contrast, I live on the outskirts of Stirling and everyone in my street is either elderly or have young families (there was one lad who was dealing charlie, but the prat bought a Rolls and got caught). I'm on first name terms with many of them, I know my postman and my window cleaner drinks in my pub and accepts pints in lieu of payment. I even get an ice cream van in the Summer, which is a novelty that will never wear off. In Glasgow, ice cream vans sell drugs and sharpened tooth brush handles and MAYBE Irn Bru, but while you were out there buying ket the window cleaner has fucked your Spaniel.
So, you need to ask yourself, what you want from a community?
|>>|| No. 22258
> In Glasgow, ice cream vans sell drugs and sharpened tooth brush handles and MAYBE Irn Bru, but while you were out there buying ket the window cleaner has fucked your Spaniel.
Very well written. It's one of the few areas of the country I have never visited - I'm working class and from as South as you can be. Will they beat me up?
|>>|| No. 22259
I'm not him but how working class, exactly? I do believe that if you were brought up in the ghetto (or as ghetto as you can get in england anyway) then you'll retain, for life, the ability to walk down a dodgy street without looking like a victim.
I can't quantify it, but without trying (indeed while trying the opposite) I manage to attract and relate to people who grew up in a similar way as I did. It means I can wander about the darkest alleys and will usually just get a universal badman nod or an offer of drugs. If you didn't really have to traverse the weird council estate way of living as a child, you'll probably look out of place.
TL;DR if ya grew up on da streets, da streets is your home.
|>>|| No. 22260
Oh definitely get that idea - usually when I am in the US, I walk everywhere, have never had any hassle and I'll frequently get from colleagues YOU WENT WHERE??? HOW ARE YOU STILL ALIVE.
Maybe I should visit Glasgow.
|>>|| No. 22261
>YOU WENT WHERE??? HOW ARE YOU STILL ALIVE.
Yep, that's the one. I didn't realise it was a thing until I ended up in uni and became known as the lad in halls that wouldn't seem to get fleeced by the scary northern dealers.
|>>|| No. 22263
Strippers are always a bit naff though - particularly when they have all their clothes on, like whats the point.
Masonlad, is this a normal thing?
|>>|| No. 22264
>Strippers are always a bit naff though
True. That makes it even more sinister. If this is the reason they're so secretive I'll be disappointed. At least have a proper orgy. They hopefully at least sacrificed her to moloch.
|>>|| No. 22265
That looks awkward, it made me laugh though. Masonic halls tend to have top tier lighting equipment for rituals and would have no problem making this look quite sexy, but this doesn't look sexy at all because the fucking megalomaniacs in the chairs can't sit at the front even though they aren't in open lodge.
Weird I spotted this before dosing off, now I'm wondering if the guys always do that? Like, even if they hire a band they just sit behind the band like fucking spooky bastards rather than sit with their lodge.
|>>|| No. 22266
Looks like it was filmed a long time ago - also, looks like it was filmed in NTSC so probably Americans.
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