At least use different pictures, you sod.

>>23572

My ex fled to Australia after we broke up and lives there now, she says it's fantastic and raves about it constantly. You need to stump up some cash and get someone over there to sponsor you, but getting to Ausland is piss easy if you're British. You will have to do a stint on a farm at some point though, I think it's required in the terms of your work visa.

I don't know about Canada, but I'm assuming the standard 6 months work/6 months holiday 12 month visas will have a similar sort of application process.

>>23573

Heresy.

>>23574

Is it really that easy to stay in Aus/NZ simply by being British? I've heard of loads of people doing it, but it just like there has to be a catch somewhere.

Studied in China and it's an absolutely wank country but I would give everything I could to do it again.

It's not so much where you go as what you do and the people you meet. I enjoyed China not because it was particularly inspiring as a place, but because it was a whacky term and unlike anything I'd ever done before.

Pushed me beyond my boundaries and then some and the excitement of a new environment and group of people from around the world was fantastic, unlike anything I'd done before.

Go, you can always come back. The whackier the better.

My friend went to Australia about a decade ago and now he's a massive Islamophobe, constantly going on about reclaiming Australia and the United Patriots Front.

>>23578
Your point being...?

There's an excellent book called "Work Your Way Around the World" that has lots of information about working holiday opportunities. It's regularly updated with information provided by travellers.

>>23579

Not him, but at a guess I'd say probably that living in Australia loosely correlates with a fear of Islam.

>>23581
Tumblrlad strikes again.

Didn't even answer the thread in any way, just wanted to be a 'oh wow somebody become racist in Australia, what's he like?' post.

>>23582

You need to work on your reading comprehension there, fella. "Loosely correlates" does not imply what you seem to be inferring. Dry your eyes and stop trying to stir shit, you sad act.

>>23583
>I was wondering what everybody thinks of working abroad, particularly Canada
>My mate went to Australia and he became an Islamophobe!

How is that helpful in any way?

>>23582
>Tumblrlad strikes again.
It must be hard, having a phantom constantly seek to rile you.

>>23584
How is your interrogation about why he made that post, prompting further derailing the thread, helpful to the OP in any way?

>>23584

Even on the internet, people make small talk. His anecdote exceed his own personal minimum requirement for replying to a thread.

"Oh, car insurance eh? I owned a car once, it was shit."

It's part of the human condition. You'd have to be on the spectrum not to understand and relate to why people do it.

>>23580
Agreed on this. Very good source of info on working anywhere and it's updated each year. Unfortunately I don't think it's that easy to up and move to North America unless you have a skill that's high in demand, as anyone employing you will have to prove you're the best candidate for the job and that no one locally can fulfil the role. Though, I should say I have no experience in working abroad, I've just read a lot as it's something I've contemplated as well, it just seems to be not all that simple.

>>23588

If you're young and live in a developed country, it's really very easy to get a working holiday visa in most countries. Specialist travel agencies like BUNAC can arrange a package, or you can do it independently.

Here are the rules for Canada:

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/work/iec/eligibility.asp?country=gb&cat=wh

I was bored and had the book next to me, so here you go OP: http://imgur.com/a/RzLXn

Every page on working in Canada from the How to Work Your Way Around the World book. Take note that this is from last year, so some things may have changed, just thought it'd give you an idea though. Apologies for the crappy pictures but I don't have a scanner and just rushed this, it should all be readable though.

>>23590

Thank you, that's really helpful. I shall have a read now.

i wish i could work and live in any remote area

>>23597

I head that you can get a fair bit of support if you're willing to go work in the more remote areas. Don't know how true this is to be honest.

>>23610

Canada will pay you to move out into the Yukon and live there.

>>23611
Leave this country and go there? All paid for?


You're pulling me leg m8.

>>23616

It's a wilderness they are trying to populate, they give you a start up grant to get set up. Presumably you'd have to emigrate first, but emigrating to Canada is a piece of piss.

>>23617
I don't like the cold, but I hate people a lot more. This sounds promising.

>>23618
Beware, southern softy. There's "the cold" according to your poncey sensibilities and then there's the cold in the Yukon.

You won't be set up comfortably in the Yukon just from the living allowance, just so you know. It's not just given as an incentive to get settlements growing up there, it's necessary because the cost of living is extremely high (heating is obviously a major expense, and bread isn't cheap when it has to be imported from hundreds upon hundreds of miles away).

>>23627

From what I know of it, it costs about the same for a loaf as it does for a bag of flour which will make 10.

It's probably as close to a pre-WWII lifestyle there is, and for that reason alone I think it sounds grand. I couldn't hack it, but it definitely sounds grand.

>>23633
I was using "bread" as a shorthand for necessities, mate.

What exactly see in "a pre-WWII lifestyle" that makes you think moving to Frostbittenballbagistan is the truest way of emulating one?

>>23627

Tell me more about this? I'm going to take up research on this topic for the future and I'd love to get opinions on how feasible it is to move there, how much money it would require and so on.

>>23634

You have to make your own bread, keep livestock, hunt, chop wood for warmth and light, etc, as there isn't a Tesco near buy for Warburtons, pizza and leccy.

Very few people live like that unless they choose to in Britain. Out there you just do it. You get on with it because if you don't you'll starve and freeze.

If you transplanted a 17th century country bumpkin into the rural 1940s he'd still, for the most part, recognise the world around him. Leccy would be new, as would cars and aeroplanes, but people still led subsistence lifestyles back then. Nowadays, not so much.

Subsistence living isn't for everyone, but I admire the people who do it and I think there is something quite important to learn from it. We've spent the last 300 years trying to achieve a post scarcity society and for the most part we've succeeded, but things like depression and other mental illnesses are markedly more prevalent in our society as we have anchorless individuals with no real purpose. Subsistence living is the reason to get up in the morning when you're doing it. It gives you purpose, the purpose being if you want eat then you bake/hunt/chop wood. It has a certain attraction to people of a certain disposition for that very reason.

>>23636
> but things like depression and other mental illnesses are markedly more prevalent in our society as we have anchorless individuals with no real purpose.

I was thinking about the effects of the basic income type thing they're testing in Finland and I think this might be increasingly prevalent with that.

Yeah the fact that people 300 years ago weren't being diagnosed with mental health problems totally means they were living happy, fulfilled lives, it probably has nothing at all to do with the fact that there was zero conception of mental health as a medical problem, and that provision of diagnostic services for it would take centuries to come into fruition.

We have a rather odious puritan fetish for work and, and idolising the idea working every day merely to subsist is the logical, perverse conclusion of that, but leisure is not evil. The greatest advances in human history were made by leisure classes: enlightenment thinkers patronised by aristocrats to pursue their interests, renaissance artists and scientists living off flows of wealth into Italian merchant city states, ancient Greeks who were liberated of the burdens of work by an army of slaves, and were free to take part in civic participation and philosophising which laid down the foundations of political, scientific and intellectual thought which our societies still rest on (Aristotle's take on leisure is very much worth reading: http://classics.mit.edu/Aristotle/politics.8.eight.html).

Oh, and also in feudal societies people weren't working 24/7 to subsist day to day. In fact, peasant farmers for the most part worked fewer hours than many western economies today. Work was carried out from dawn til dusk, but not continuously, there were substantial breaks for meals and for naps. The relationship between lords and their serfs was much more paternalistic than that between employers and workers today, and overworking them would violate well established traditions, including denying the many holidays in the calendar. And obviously seasonal weather meant farming wasn't a year round occupation.

The advent of an 8 hour work week in industrial societies wasn't some triumph of capitalism liberating workers from excessive drudgery, it was the result of workers demanding what their ancestors had taken for granted and had been robbed from them by the breakdown of the feudal pact.

>>23639
>>23640

Who said anything about being happy or fulfilled? These are abstracts which bear no relation to the definition of "purpose".

Stop projecting.

>>23640

Are you equating the rudderless, dolescum underclass of this generation with the privileged, contemplative slave owners of Ancient Greece?

>>23641
Er, "fulfilled" has a direct relation to the definition of purpose that I'm aware of, and happiness has a direct relation to depression and mental health, which was brought up in >>23636.

>>23642
No, I'm doing the exact opposite.

>>23636

>We've spent the last 300 years trying to achieve a post scarcity society and for the most part we've succeeded

What fucking planet do you live on mate.

Here on Earth I still have to break my balls at work 40 hours a week just to keep the roof over my head, and to buy overpriced, sub-standard food to live on.

If we have defeated scarcity then it's about bloody time for a people's revolution, because I shudderto think where all my money and time ends up going.

>>23646
>If we have defeated scarcity then it's about bloody time for a people's revolution, because I shudderto think where all my money and time ends up going.

https://www.oxfam.org/en/pressroom/pressreleases/2015-01-19/richest-1-will-own-more-all-rest-2016

>>23640
>>23641
I feel both of you are right. There isn't a one size fits all, so there will be rudderless people who lack purpose and need something to get up for, and there will be people who have their time eaten up by work, when they could be doing better things.

I was extremely depressed and almost a shut-in when I was a dolescum. I would have suicidal thoughts at my wasteful existence and kept thinking about the whole purpose for my existence.

I found a low-level admin job where I put files in a folder for seven hours a day, five days a week. Although I felt better, and became more outgoing, I was still clinically depressed. I still felt I lacked purpose, and I still do feel that way many times a day. My mental health started to get better when I started trying new hobbies. Obsessing over fixing my bike, and trying to fix broken TVs, remote controllers, phones that I buy off ebay for a little amount made me feel better for some reason.

So maybe, some people would prefer chopping wood, taking a break and socialising, then chopping some again and then going to bed.

>>23648
>There isn't a one size fits all, so there will be rudderless people who lack purpose and need something to get up for, and there will be people who have their time eaten up by work, when they could be doing better things.
The key benefit to having a rudder is that you are in charge of and can direct it. In that respect, someone compelled by circumstance to get up and work to subsist is still very much rudderless.

Bertrand Russell wrote with characteristic incisiveness on leisure and work, in case anyone is interested: http://harpers.org/archive/1932/10/in-praise-of-idleness/1/

>>23627>>23636

Is it really like that in the remote areas? I assumed it was huge and dangerous construction projects and the harsh weather conditions that were incentivized.

>>23650

You need rudder to maintain a constant bearing.

>>23646

You're confusing capitalism with an ideology that rewards innovation. Money creates the illusion of scarcity and that illusion is vital to the economy which is a Sacred Cow. We manufacture scarcity, It is created by built-to-fail components that could be made to last decades, but aren't to keep selling products cheap and in many other ways besides.

Congratulations, you've just became a political activist.