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>> No. 24226 Raoul
4th August 2019
Sunday 9:26 am
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I'm flying with these fuckers soon and honestly I thought it would be hard to find an airline I'd despise more than Ryanair.

They've changed their baggage policy such that, you can only take a small backpack into the cabin, free of charge. For a trolley bag you have to pay extra.

I have a trolley bag that can be worn as a backpack but it's 4cm too wide and 10cm too tall to be within the free requirements. So it'd be a £30 charge to take it on board.

Do you lads have any experience with sneaking bags onto WizzAir flights? A friend of mine is risking it with his saying they hardly ever check but I've seen some horror stories online, where they force you to pay £60 or they refuse you boarding.
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>> No. 24227 Fairy
4th August 2019
Sunday 11:20 am
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All low cost airlines are the same. Fuckers. I think I prefer to pay a bit more and not deal with this BS. Ruins the start/end of a trip.
>> No. 24228 Cockernay
4th August 2019
Sunday 1:58 pm
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Why not just stay home and save the climate!
>> No. 24229 Cockernay
4th August 2019
Sunday 2:02 pm
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You say that like it's unrealistic or unreasonable.
>> No. 24230 Aki
4th August 2019
Sunday 2:15 pm
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It's a problem across the low-cost airline industry. They spent years encouraging people to take carry-on bags only because checked bags slow down the turnaround at airports; eventually they realised that there isn't enough space in the overhead bins if everyone takes a full-size cabin bag.

Personally, I'd recommend a convertible rucksack designed as a maximum legal carry-on. They're easier to carry than a wheeled case, they're much lighter and they make much more efficient use of the dimension limit; a wheeled case weighs about 2kg more and loses about 20% of the storage capacity to the wheels and handle.

>> No. 24231 Aki
4th August 2019
Sunday 2:15 pm
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It's really going to depend on the gate staff on the day. The people checking you in don't work directly for Wizzair, but for a third party handling company - meaning they don't really give that much of a shit about customer service, which can swing both ways - they'll either not care enough to even check the size of your bag or will heartlessly kick you off the flight if you don't pay the excess fees. In my experience a bag that is just a 'little bit' too big will probably not be noticed, but that's a big probably, particularly if you get away with it on the way out but not on the way back.

I don't have experience with Wizz directly but I'd be surprised if they didn't offer free gate bags (i.e if your bag is too big for the cabin they chuck it in the hold for nowt - inconvenient for sure, but free) but I suppose you'd have come across that information if they did offer it already.

Basically what I'm saying is it's a gamble based on the judgement of some underpaid check-in/gate girl and while you might get away with it - I'm willing to say you probably will get away with it, but you definitely need to be prepared for the eventuality that you might not. It might be worth simply getting or borrowing a backpack that is within the requirements - you'd not be losing too much space. Either that or carry £60 in your pocket. If they do try to charge you, it's worth claiming you can't afford to pay it - again, nobody you'll be talking to will work for Wizz directly so they don't really give a fuck if you pay or not, they want you on the plane so the plane can leave. But there's jobsworths everywhere, so if that doesn't work you'll have to miraculously find the money if you want to fly.

Just remember, this sort of thing is the reason low cost airlines are low cost. They justify their prices by flying as light as possible to save fuel, and charge you extra if you use more. The cabin bag size will likely be an arbitrary number, but the cut off has to be specific. You can take whatever bag you like on a BA, but you pay an extra couple of hundred quid to do it.
>> No. 24232 Monkey
4th August 2019
Sunday 2:16 pm
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Don't fucking start this again in another thread.
>> No. 24233 Raoul
4th August 2019
Sunday 2:20 pm
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Oh, forgot to mention that even if you get the bag past the gate agents, the cabin crew might still notice it. Again, you'd have to be unlucky, but it can and does happen.
>> No. 24234 Cockernay
4th August 2019
Sunday 2:21 pm
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Why? Is it inconvenient?

(A good day to you Sir!)
>> No. 24235 Cockernay
4th August 2019
Sunday 2:29 pm
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You can't ban someone for talking about climate change in a thread about cheap flights. It's integral to the topic.

(A good day to you Sir!)
>> No. 24236 Cockernay
4th August 2019
Sunday 2:34 pm
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Yes it is.
>> No. 24237 Aki
4th August 2019
Sunday 2:36 pm
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You can't complain about being banned on britfa.gs, as being banned is integral to our culture.

what i am doing is quelling the cunt off before it starts because otherwise it will take over the thread and we have plenty of climate discussion here in other threads - climate change is not integral to the discussion of WizzAir's cabin bag policy. Can't we have one thread that isn't immediately derailed? It's too late now, we've already derailed it with this argument
>> No. 24238 Raoul
4th August 2019
Sunday 2:38 pm
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What does any of that have to do with the size of OP's rucksack? Fucks sake.
>> No. 24239 Cockernay
4th August 2019
Sunday 2:41 pm
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Ask the poster who brought it up sarcastically in the first place.
>> No. 24240 Porridgewog
4th August 2019
Sunday 2:44 pm
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Also flying with them soon and just taking hand language. Pretty sure I can get away with a decent back pack I have as I can tighten the straps on it/reshape it a bit for it to fit if I need to, but honestly if they see you carrying a backpack they don't seem to check it as they assume it's light and not full, at least that's been my experience in the past. However if you do need more space then providing you can get through security, buy something cheap in one of the shops and ask for a bigger bag to carry it in then just transfer stuff into said bag so your carry on bag looks smaller.
>> No. 24241 Britfag
4th August 2019
Sunday 2:53 pm
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It's the great derailer paradox.

You want to ask them to stop derailing everything but as soon as you engage that you're only doing it further.

Fuck, now I'm doing it. OP, book cheap flights, you get shit policies that try and make their money back somehow. For peace of mind I'd just book a proper airline.
>> No. 24242 Raoul
4th August 2019
Sunday 5:56 pm
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>You want to ask them to stop derailing everything but as soon as you engage that you're only doing it further.

The trick is to ignore but everyone needs to get the memo otherwise it doesn't happen. Fleets are only as fast as the slowest ship.
>> No. 24243 Raoul
4th August 2019
Sunday 6:00 pm
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Thanks for the detailed response. I should clarify that I'm only flying with them on the outbound.

Unfortunately I decided to tag along with some idiot friends it was their doing.

I was on the verge of buying a new rucksack that would comply, then I found a 25 year old one in the closet. It's almost exactly the same as the allowance except it's 2cm over in length and height. That should be alright right?
>> No. 24244 Boyo
4th August 2019
Sunday 6:18 pm
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>eventually they realised that there isn't enough space in the overhead bins if everyone takes a full-size cabin bag.
The standard cabin bag size is based around half the overhead bin space in a typical plane. For efficiency of both fuel and boarding, the ideal load factor is around 70%. More passengers slows down the turnaround, and fewer passengers means eating into the fixed costs of the flight. The issue arises where airlines use aircraft with smaller than usual accommodation, such as smaller turboprops.

>Basically what I'm saying is it's a gamble based on the judgement of some underpaid check-in/gate girl
That is pretty much it. Mileage definitely varies, though. I flew Flybe a couple of times, and the first time I was meticulous about getting inside the allowance, and nobody checked. The next time, I flew with a standard size bag that was above their allowance, and nobody checked, and nor did they check any of the subsequent times. I haven't flown with them since the buyout, but I'm told they got really strict with it around about then.

>even if you get the bag past the gate agents, the cabin crew might still notice it
Received wisdom used to be that if you made it to the gate with your outsize bag it was too late for anyone to charge you, and you could claim you were being charged under duress (under threat of expropriation of your bag). I've never heard of someone being asked to pay after having boarded the plane, but that's not to say that some cunts somewhere haven't started doing it.
>> No. 24245 Cockernay
4th August 2019
Sunday 7:59 pm
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>that's not to say that some cunts somewhere haven't started doing it.

Those cunts are Ryanair. I've seen it happen a few times where the hosty won't let the bag or passenger on until they pay. But since we as a handling agent don't work for Ryanair, we usually just say we've taken the payment and chuck them on the plane regardless. I don't think we'd get away with that at a bigger station, but there's no Ryanair management here so fuck them.
>> No. 24246 Monkey
4th August 2019
Sunday 8:47 pm
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As configured for Ryanair, the 737-800 has seating for 189 passengers and overhead bin capacity for 121 full-size carry-on bags. Their ordered 737 MAX 200s will have 197 seats and space for 178 bags thanks to Boeing's "space bin" design concept, although obviously that order is now indefinitely postponed; Airbus have a similar expanded bin option for the A321 Neo.

The ideal passenger load factor is 100%; Ryanair finished 2017 with a passenger load factor of 94.7%, with WizzAir managing to hit 91%.
>> No. 24247 Boyo
4th August 2019
Sunday 8:55 pm
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>The ideal passenger load factor is 100%
If all you care about is selling seats, then sure. Ryanair in particular are notorious for not paying for things.
>> No. 24248 Raoul
5th August 2019
Monday 2:52 am
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There's still no advantage to flying with empty (unpaid for) seats, you do save fuel but not more than a few quid per passenger or bag.

As much as I think Ryanair are unpleasant, I admire their ruthlessly efficient business model much like I admire McDonald's. Its a shame they're going to tank soon.

Everything from the way the planes are loaded to their turnaround procedures are really, really well thought out. It leaves passengers feeling like cattle but that's why they're cheap. You can turnaround an entirely full 737-800 in 24 minutes. It's ludicrous.
>> No. 24249 Boyo
5th August 2019
Monday 3:15 am
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>There's still no advantage to flying with empty (unpaid for) seats
That depends entirely on what you're doing. If you're Ryanair, operating short-haul flights and literally paying for nothing other than the crew and the fuel (and skimping a bit even then), then you want a full plane. Push the safety margins with fuel, and jump the queue by calling an emergency. Charge the passengers through the nose for a drink that the suppliers have paid you to stock. Sure, in those circumstances, you want to fill every seat. But not every flight works that way.
>> No. 24250 Britfag
5th August 2019
Monday 3:34 am
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I flew wizz back from Athens last summer, and by pretending to be asleep in the waiting area got my bag on board, though it was just a rucksack. Most others with larger bags where hassled by the staff, and most of those did have the 'wizzclub' or whatever the fuck they called it

Once you get on the plane, though, it's really good - interesting colour scheme and actually more spacious than any of the other budget airlines
>> No. 24251 Raoul
5th August 2019
Monday 4:04 am
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What sort of flight wants empty seats though? An Emirates or BA long haul is still a luxury flight even if it's a full house.
>> No. 24252 Cockernay
5th August 2019
Monday 5:36 am
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Anyone on a plane is a selfish, planet-killing fuckwit and deserves to get screwed out of a few quid here and there.
>> No. 24253 Boyo
5th August 2019
Monday 7:24 am
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>What sort of flight wants empty seats though?
Two reasonably common scenarios:

Slot savers: You have a bunch of slots at a major airport and use them to fly a seasonal route. When it's not profitable to fly the route, you don't want to fly it, but you also don't want to lose the slot, so you use the slot to fly a short regional route that's probably already saturated, or if you really can't be bothered to pay for ground crew, just fly empty to somewhere that's close enough and quiet enough to get back.

Over-range: You want to fly a long-haul route, but you don't have any long-range aircraft, and couldn't reasonably fill one. You fly it with a smaller plane, but can't take a full load becauase of the amount of fuel required.
>> No. 24254 Cockernay
5th August 2019
Monday 9:06 am
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I already reminded them earlier in the thread.
>> No. 24255 Monkey
5th August 2019
Monday 11:42 am
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>Slot savers

It would still be profitable to fill your plane up, but then it wouldn't be a slot saver anymore.


>> No. 24256 Porridgewog
5th August 2019
Monday 12:31 pm
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Don't think they care for actual bags/backpacks since you can squash them into places, pretty sure they're only concerned about hard cases. Will find out for myself in a few days.
>> No. 24257 Raoul
5th August 2019
Monday 1:03 pm
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Do report back.

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