Piracetam does only seem to be usefully active in doses of well over a gram. You really need to combine it with choline, too.
The levels of focus Pira will take you to are really quite subtle compared to the amphetamine-like effects of moda, you may be quite disappointed.

Personally I take a combination of aniracetam and choline, which I do find effective in that I'm far less of a dozy cunt when I'm on them.

Where does one buy modafinil?

>>4713
The internet

>>4712

How well over a gram? I only need the 'helping hand' to focus, but I've found Modafinil's 'helping sledgehammer' to be pretty alright. Do you think maybe 2g at one time would suffice?

>>4716
Most sources on piracetam describe building up your dosage until you're on about 1g a day as your tolerance grows, or taking 1g-2g on its own as an "attack dose" (though whether this concept actually works at all is disputed). There's plenty of resources on the web where people describe nootropics dosages and argue the pros/cons of different ones so have a look around - from what I can recall piracetam is currently undergoing a bit of a supplier drought in the UK, possibly to do with it being recently made prescription-only (?). My memory's unreliable on this one though, so read around. Aniracetam is supposed to be something like 10x stronger than piracetam, so you require a much lower dosage of it on a daily basis (say, 200mg compared to 1g), and the same goes for the newer -racetams that are popping up.

>>4712
>I'm far less of a dozy cunt when I'm on them.
Pffff, debatable.

>>4713

http://www.pharmacygeoff.co.uk

>>4728
A number of items listed on that site appear to be prescription only and it's not listed on safeorscam.

>>4734

It's the site I use it and can confirm it is safe. Here is the SoS for the american version, pharmacygeoff.com:

https://safeorscam.com/sites/a9724809f3d4fb2275180bbc7ea86b50f7613913b16dc03d1db2225b591e3432532399cb

Also postage takes forever, at least 7 days. My last modafinil was the brand commonly used in India, so I think that's where they came from.

>>4736

Have you bought any of the prescription-only meds? Modafinil isn't, or wasn't when I was last up to date on it.

>>4739

Not unless Piracetam is prescription-only. But it's all coming in the mail from Singapore. Make what you will of that.

>>4728
Can also vouch for this site.

Geoff didn't empty my bank account or take a mortgage out in my name which is always nice, on top of that I also received my modafinil.

No need for prescription either. Big up Geoff.

Oh, my things came the other day. Image attached.

Piracetam was bollocks, to be honest. Should have asked here prior to buying it. Modafinil came a few days later though, I missed the side effects like jaw clenching and cotton mouth and writing 5,000 word replies to blog posts and taking twenty minutes to post my short britfa.gs reply because I keep going back and editing it.

>>4791
How long a go did you give piracetam? I rather gather it needs a week or so to start making any noticeable difference, and depends on what dosage you're on.

>>4795

I didn't give it that long, especially when Moda came two days later. Basically I'm just a lazy twat and don't like the fact that you still have to actually attempt to concentrate on Pira in order to concentrate. I took a gram before an interview the other day and I think it helped, so I'm keeping it for that type of thing now.

how does modafinil rate against amphetamine, for those that have done both? I love 'phet, I love the concentration and motivation it gives me, does modafinil do this? Describe it for me please, if you'd be so kind.

>>4790
But what's stopping them doing such things later on?

Where the bloody hell do you guys get your exotic thinking drugs?

I have piracetam that a nice bloke in California sends me when I Paypal him the difference, but Modafinil? Amphetamines? Tell me your secrets. I want that shit.

>>4822
There's a link further up the thread to http://www.pharmacygeoff.co.uk, I personally have used http://nootropichub.co.uk/ and some friends of mine bought some stuff in bulk from http://www.alibaba.com/

>>4821

It's been nearly 6 months since my first order from Geoff, and I've not been fucked yet.

>>4825

That's because pharmacygeoff is run by Geoffrey the butler. That's what I want to believe anyway and you can't stop me.

Is it just me, or does modafinil make you thirsty? I recently gave up fizzy drinks in favour of water so that might be it, but I've been pissing three times a day regular and guzzling litres and litres of water since at least a few days ago (bad memory means I cannot recall events before then). Also re: jaw clenching. I have been chewing gum to try and stop myself doing it, is this the best way to go about it?

>>4835

>I've been pissing three times a day

Not sure if I'm reading this right, but are you claiming this is a lot?

>>4835
Oh hey there side-effects of amphetamines!

You must've not taken MDMA before, but everything you describe is pretty par for the course with any type of amphetamine. They will make you thirsty*, and if you're drinking to keep up with it there is every possibility you'll turn into a piss machine. Keep yourself hydrated like you're doing so far without overdoing it, and consider taking magnesium supplements (and chewing gum) for the gurning. Magnesium helps a lot with the muscle tension and has saved many a chewed-up tongue. Also, like >>4836 says, 3 times a day to urinate is pretty normal, it's when you're going 8+ times a day that you're pissing too frequently. If you were only having a wee 2 times a day before you went on Modafinil, then good god man, you really don't get enough fluids.

_{* I would like to be able to explain the mechanism behind it giving you dry mouth/making you feel thirsty, but I can't find any good resources that prove my theory of the increase in subjective thirst being due to alpha-adrenergic stimulation by noradrenaline. This would explain why you're drinking so much and then pissing so much, though. I'm betting your urine is really clear as well.}

>good god man, you really don't get enough fluids

I suppose not. I only drank maybe 2 pints of tea and a subway cup of cola beforehand.

>I'm betting your urine is really clear as well.

Aye. Except when I drank some Monster and then pissed radioactive green about an hour later.

>>4837
No. If MDMA or other drugs are making you thirsty, do not just drink copious amounts of water. When the concentration in your blood gets too high it will poison you and make your brain swell up. Instead, drink something with an isotonic salt concentration, like Lucozade Sport.

You should have been taught this stuff at school!

>>4841

Bydlo would probably cry if that happened, to be fair, no matter how useful it is. They barely even stand for biological sex education.

>>4841
>Keep yourself hydrated like you're doing so far without overdoing it

I'm not telling him to drink copious amounts of water, I'm telling him to be sensible and pace himself.

>>4843

But I was taught that in school.

I've wanted to try Modafinil for a while, as I've found that every so often, after 2-4 weeks of having a regular sleeping schedule, I dip and end up fatigued with irregular sleep patterns. Then even when I correct myself, it takes me a bit before I can feel not tired during the day after 6-9 hours sleep, so I'll have problems focusing on things, doing things, etc until I settle back into it. To those that have had it, do you think it'd do any good for me?

>>4846

Aye, get up early and bed early and crack one down in the mornings. Take breaks when and if necessary to stop you becoming tolerant I would say. Also prepare yourself for the side-effects.

>>4847
I've read a bit about the side effects, and tried to see what I can expect, but as far as I can tell it varies from person to person. Though, what are the most common things I can expect? And would you say it's worth it over all?

>>4845
I was taught that in school.

I've since heard that it is either a very rare occurrence or a complete myth, spread by CCE in order to encourage people to drink Red Bull instead of taking E.

Just off to the shops to buy some more tin foil for my hat, anyone want some fags or a pack of crisps?

>>4859

Lilt and a bounty, please.

>>4859

>>4860
Ginsters pasty and a can of Panda pop if you don't mind.

>>4860
Coat, getting, yeah yeah.

>>4860
25-35 years old
>>4862
35-45 years old

difference in generation detected

>>4874
Failure to get GLC reference detected.

>>4874
How does Lilt vs. Panda Pop suggest an age difference?

>>4862
Panda Pops come in cans?

>>4880
Panda Pop comes in Baby Panda's can.

>>4859

Banana milkshake and a Transform-A-Snack BBQ please. What can you tell about me >>4874?

So I ordered about £20 worth of CDP Choline and a similar value of Aniracetam, it all arrived very promptly and all that but they also sent me a free 100g (£5.99 by their reckoning) sample of "L-Glutamine".
Does anyone have any idea if there's any point to this stuff? The second time I took some I did 30 more crunches and five more backwards pressups than I usually manage before I get bored and stop, but that's not much of a controlled study. The first time I took it I fell asleep soon after.
According to google, "Research has shown 2 grams of L-Glutamine can increased hormone growth by over 400%", it "helps replenish declining glutamine levels" and "may help you reduce the amount of muscle deterioration that occurs because other tissues that need glutamine will not rob the glutamine stored in the muscle cells." Oh, and if you take a few grams a day along with some vitamins and not eating any sugar, it cures alcoholism faster than not drinking alcohol.

So is this jock of the nootropics world actually any use whatsoever or am I just being sent powdered snake?
Exercise seems like a bit of a waste of time, anyway. Instead of working out, I could read a book. Intelligence may be transitory but it lasts a hell of a lot longer than muscle mass.

>>4896

Not sure about the benefits or risks of L-Glutamine, but I have to disagree with you about exercise. The condition of your body directly affects your ability to think and how efficiently you learn. It's a bit short-sighted to dismiss exercise as pointless, unless your life is so jam-packed with reading that you can't spare an hour a day to do a little physical maintenance.

Also, I believe Arnie is in a post-op condition in your picture. Cut him some slack, feller.

Moan box checked, veering off-topic, etc.

>>4897
I meant excessive exercise rather than keeping in shape. All the same, exercise itself is about as exciting as drawing horizontal lines on a piece of paper. Less so, in fact.

>>4898

Perhaps take up a sport? Or a physical hobby like climbing? Doesn't all have to be locked inside a gym.

>>4823
Just tried pharmacygeoff, thanks to the recommendations in this thread. Hopefully this can help me sort out my sleep/over-tired issues, if all goes well..I noticed for Modafinil, it said: "Alternatives with the following shouldn't use it: Excessive use of alcohol"
What classifies as excessive here? I like a good drink, but I can always cut back.

>>4929

I seem to have become pretty much teetotal nowadays anyway, but I discovered the following advice which I heartily suggest you follow:

>I would have to say follow the label advice and do not drink any alcohol ever with modafinil.

>This is why. Modafinil has been around for a while but no lomg term studies have been done on people who might drink and take modafinil - so until you know its safe why do it?

>Lets go further and look at experience; modafinil does react in some way to alcohol in that it certainly reduces your ability to consume it as several people can confirm. And you know who you are. You can get drunk quicker, vomit more (much more) and then have the worst hangovers on next to no drink. SamBC might be able to tolerate it you migh not.

>Final point why you really, really should not drink and take modafinil that I can think of off the top of my head. We know that alcohol, any alcohol has an affect on your liver. We also know that modafinil affects certain enzymes in the liver that break down drugs such as the contraceptive pill. This is well known; you can't be on modafinil and have an effective oral contraceptive regime.

>I would guess as these enzymes are fairly broad and significant and will be botched about by modafinil anyway the doctor's don't want you making them worse by drinking. So it could damage enzyme production in your liver.

My friend did drink some amount about 10-12 hours after taking one of my pills, and he reported no ill effects. I would say give it at least that, or to be safe 24 hours before resuming your pisshead antics.

Also don't expect to take it and then be like you're on cocaine 20 minutes later, it comes up subtly and you're liable to get as tired as usual while it's doing such. My experiences say that it takes hours for me to get into the state of "I'm not even tired, no need to sleep".

Oh and also be aware that Pharmacy Geoff takes a while to arrive, expect 12-14 days.

>>4935
Cheers, I'd heard about the getting drunk quicker bit, but the latter is good to know too. I think I'll just not risk drinking entirely whenever I'm on it, seeing as how it seems to vary from person to person. I'm still hoping I don't get any terrible side effects from it anyway.

A quick browse around at reviews for Pharmacygeoff seems to indicate that they are not 100% legitimate. While people get their orders, I've seen a fair few people saying their cards were scammed. Not too sure about it.

>>4946

I've never been defrauded with Geoff, but I googled it and some people are indeed claiming they were victims of fraud from what they suspect to be PharmacyGeoff.

All I can say is that I've never had an issue.

>>4954
My order with them seemed to go fine too. It was over a week ago and there hasn't been anything suspicious/any other purchases at all on my card, but someone did suggest it might depend on how big an order you're doing and whether or not you're with a small bank.

On another note, this stuff is fucking amazing. I've had one of the most productive days I've had in a while. I took one a 7am and I still feel focused. Just hoping I can get some decent sleep now before having to be up for work. Also, the only side effect I seemed to get was a slight headache, which went away pretty quickly, so I'm very pleased with this overall.

>>4955
Stuff? Modafinil? How was your sleep?

>>4946

This has made me wary too. If I could find a reliable place, I'd buy lots of this stuff.

Perhaps we need a big Britfa.gs proxy alright no hookups fuck.

>>4957
Does that rule apply to legal things? I've no idea.

>>4958
Modafinil is not controlled under the Misuse of Drugs Act and there are no legal ramifications for obtaining it for personal use without a script in the UK, according to my sources. I'd say discussion about acquiring it here is only of the very palest grey compared to exchanging hookups for heroin. Not sure how a proxy would protect you from card fraud though.

>>4959

Well, it'd reduce the risk in my mind. Only one Britfa.g risks their card details with Mr. Geoff, all the others Paypal him for their part of big orders, and maybe a little extra beer money for being such a lovely person.

Actually, this is becoming shadier the more I describe it.

>>4960
Actually, the best way to achieve this would be to open an account linked to a card which you simply deposit money into whenever you want to buy something. That way they only have the details of that one card and if it gets ghosted, they've got nothing to play with and no one gets hurt.

I know this because this is exactly what I used to do to buy things off the Internet, and I know for a fact that even when the details get ghosted it's very easy to prove that it was a scam because your card gets overdrawn from its 93p balance when someone uses the details to pay for porn DVDs. I mean really, who even buys DVDs these days. Clearly ridiculous.

>>4956
A 100mg tablet is what I had taken in >>4955 and I had to force myself to sleep, as I was only slightly tired, so I just put one of those eye mask things on and listened to some relaxing music. I must have had about 4 hours and woke up feeling very refreshed.

I've been taking them in halves now, which doesn't seem to give me much of that "super focused" feeling, but it stops me feeling tired all day and I get about 6-7 hours of sleep each night. I've managed to maintain a healthy, normal schedule for the entire week, which is something I've rarely been able to do.

I would like to order more, but am somewhat worried about the card scamming, if it happens with bigger orders or is just random..I might just wait and do what >>4961 suggested.

Hello /a/

I've been having trouble focusing on my work of late (procrastination, creative blocks etc), so based on the learnings in this thread, I bought 40 Piracetam and 4O modafinil from Geoffrey.

They arrived on saturday; took 2 modafinil 100mg, 2 Piracetam 40mg along with the multivitamins I usually take. Whoosh!

To cut a long story short, I've got loads of stuff done, although I chewed up my mouth a bit in the process. Also, my urine turned a fine shade of luminous yellow, which suggests my kidneys are getting a work out too.

I'm not sure I'd want to get into the habit of doing this regularly (or around colleagues) but they certainly put the rocket under you. Particularly the modafinil :D

Yeah, moda felt exactly like amphetamine, I wouldn't be surprised if it was one. Glad you got stuff done though.
Try taking about 500%rda of magnesium when you take it, and possibly some gum. The former works quite well as a muscle relaxant for your jaw, the latter gives you something to chew other than your cheeks.

>>4966

At considerable risk of starting a cunt-off, and without particularly wanting to, I have to say that it really boggles the mind how, in a world of easily and freely available knowledge and information, some people seem so allergic to it.

Moda is NOT an amphetamine. Aside from sharing a benzene ring, they're not even chemically similar. While subjectively it can feel similar to amphetamine (except for euphoria) the mechanism of action is quite different.

>>4967
Not him but he only said it felt like amphetamine, not that it is one.

>>4968

>Yeah, moda felt exactly like amphetamine, *I wouldn't be surprised if it was one.*

>>4967 >>4969

Can the two of you please calm down and accept that most people in an /A/ board won't understand the subtleties of pharmacology when it comes to something like modafinil? Educate them as to the chemical differences if you want, but understand why most people (i.e. a lay audience) would assume based on subjective experience that it's an amphetamine. God knows most kids taking pills don't know the difference between the crap speed in their tabs and actual MDMA, same situation.

>>4969
>>4967
You should probably look up what a conditional clause is.

>>4970

Absolutely, but most of those kids aren't posting on (semi) educated image boards filled with mid to high-IQ autists. Fair's fair.

If you're interested in something, and sitting there with an open web browser it takes literally two seconds to type 'wikipedia <subject>' into google and ... find out!

[X] Autism
[X] Sad
[X] Whinge

>>4971

That has nothing to do with it. "I wouldn't be surprised if" is basically an admittance of "I don't know". Which was my point in the first place.

>>4972
If you're not particularly bothered about something because you're just posting offhand at 10 to 8 in the morning, you just say you don't know.

>>4973
That's not really what you said, even if it's what you meant to say.

Does anyone know of somewhere reliable for moda? I had a decent google but turned up nowhere that took easy payments.

>>5774

Sorry ladm7 but you want to buy drugs on the Internet, there is no easy payment option.

>>5774

Pharmacy Geoff has been ok with me. What do you mean by easy payment? Entering debit card details isn't exactly difficult.

In other news, I've been taking Modafinils some mornings when I've got a lot to do. Sometimes I can really feel it working, other times: nothing. Is this normal? I'm a bit apprehensive about taking more than two at once

>>5776
Pharmacy Geoff hasn't resolved any time I've tried to navigate there.
I can't see any sites that take card that don't look like they're going to steal everything. There's an okay looking one with options for bank transfer and bitcoin payment.

>>5777

Use a credit card, not a debit card. If you get ripped off, you just phone your bank and say you've had your card details stolen. Unless the bank can prove negligence on your part, they're liable for the full amount.

>>5778
>Unless the bank can prove negligence on your part, they're liable for the full amount.
Good luck with that.

>>5779
I've had my debit card stolen and a few hundred pounds taken from my account, and I got it all back within the week by reporting it to the police, getting a reference number, and talking to one guy in my local branch for 15 minutes. Very little hassle at all. Nationwide are pretty good.

>>5779

They send you a form, you fill it out and return it, you get the money back. It's piss easy. The Consumer Credit Act gives massive amounts of protection to credit card customers, far in excess of what most people expect. The bank is wholly liable for all fraud, unless they can prove that the cardholder was grossly negligent (e.g. failing to promptly report a lost card, writing down your pin etc). If you buy anything over £100 on a credit card, the bank is liable for the goods or services purchased, not just the transaction. If you buy a holiday on your credit card and the tour company goes bust, the bank has to give you a refund. If you buy a TV with plastic and it breaks, the bank are legally liable in addition to your statutory rights with the retailer.

Importing personal quantities of non-controlled prescription drugs is perfectly legal. If you don't want to admit that to your bank, then you just say that you didn't authorise the transaction. The bank can only refuse to refund the transaction if they have documentary evidence that you authorised the transaction, which obviously they have no means of gathering.

>>5781
That's actually having your card stolen. That's not the same as a joint liability claim. It's also not the same as pretending your card was stolen.

>>5782
>The bank can only refuse to refund the transaction if they have documentary evidence that you authorised the transaction
If you can stretch this into a 20-minute routine, I hear the PFA are looking for someone for next year's awards dinner.

>>5783
Meant to say debit card details, sorry.

>>5783

You're a helpful chap.

Might as well bump this thread instead of making a new one.

Is anyone here still using modafinil or anything of the like? I've been off it for a while and lately I'm having real issues with my sleep and keep failing at regulating it. I managed to get in a decent routine using modafinil before, but I can't seem to find the place I got them from before and the other ones I'm coming across seem a lot more expensive. Does anyone have/know of a reliable place to buy? Also, has anyone tried armodafinil? Apparently it's supposed to be better.

>>7063

I haven't used moda in years but there are still plenty of places to get it online if you just poke around a bit.

Armodafinil is just the R-isomer of modafinil as opposed to a racemic mixture. Supposedly this means it has more bang per (milli)gram as the R-isomer is the bit that does what you want (a bit like dextro vs levo (meth)amphetamine). Basically just think of 100mg r-moda as being 200mg moda and you can work out which is better price wise at even given retailer.

Currently there is bis-fluoro-N-methyl analogue of modafinil being sold in the UK as a research chemical under the utterly cringe worthy 'brand name' Modafiendz (sic).