This is the plant I took all my cuttings from. I topped her first, that is why she is so fookin bushy.

I'll post some more pics after some opinionated replies come in. Thanks for reading/looking.

> I will be using 4 x 600W lights for this one.
Fucking overkill, one would be more than enough. Sell those other three lights and buy the rest of your gear with the proceeds.

>>6046

Sorry old chap but how is that overkill? There's going to be about 20 plants in the room, so 5 plants per light. And remember, more light equals more bud. This weed isn't for smoking, not all of it anyway. Its for selling at 6.5k a kilo.

I used to do big time grows before but I had to have a wee break due to getting busted. So I'm getting back in the saddle so to speak.

The plant you see in the picture, I decided to keep her and bud her so I've got something for personal whilst I'm waiting for the rest. There were originally three bubble cheese plants there as you can see from the pics, and I destroyed two of them for cuttings.

This is one of my old grows. Hope you see now what level I'm at.

>>6047
>I used to do big time grows before but I had to have a wee break due to getting busted. So I'm getting back in the saddle so to speak.

This is definitely going to end well.

>>6047
I do hope you're using TOR or otherwise avoiding posting from a personally traceable IP.

>>6050

Using a payg sim card and shit phone.

And I'm not in the same area any more anyway, and it was a good few years ago since the event.

Anyway, let's not darken the thread with such talk...

>>6051
>Anyway, let's not darken the thread with such talk...
>Let's not remind me of how silly and irresponsible I'm being.

Fixed that for you.

Please, for your own protection, take more efforts to conceal your identity.

>>6052
He just said he was doing so.

>>6052

Thank you for your concern mate, and that's not me being sarcastic.

Also, I don't believe I am being irresponsible. Why the fuck should any one, government or not, be able to tell me that I cannot grow or own a green plant that grows naturally. However, that is terribly off topic what I have just said there, and really would be better discussed in another thread.

Of course, I care very much about getting caught and I am taking reasonable steps to avoid such a situation but the thing is in this game is that if you let the paranoia overtake you, you will never get anything done so you have to take a bit of an "I don't care" attitude.

Anyway this grow is not in my own place, it's in a bedsit like in the pic of that big grow I showed you. How I got caught the last time was due to trying to save money. I thought it would be more cost effective (and nice) to rent a big house with enough spare bedrooms to do a grow. I got raided by the old bill and obviously with me residing there I was caught red handed.

Never again will I make that mistake as if I'm not living with it they can't get me. Laptop is set up in there with an ip camera connected to it that can be panned and zoomed etc so if the shit hits the fan then all I will lose is money as opposed to liberty, which is far more valuable.

What strains are you growing chap?

Also, sell your harvest on Silkroad for £30 an Henry. Pretty please!

>>6054
That sounds better, are you being careful about leaving DNA evidence/fingerprints round there too?

>Laptop is set up in there with an ip camera ... all I will lose is money as opposed to liberty, which is far more valuable.
Sounds delightfully nerdy. And yes, I quite agree, this isn't worth getting caught for again at all.

I'm just doing your paranoia for you I guess, but yes, I was only concerned for your welfare. I myself am interested in the growing stage as I like plants, so please, send us more pictures (with stripped EXIF data) as they develop.

>>6056

Hey there. Thanks for the reply.

And yes it does sound delightfully nerdy as I'm very much a nerd. I'm a bit weird like that. I'm a nerd involved with what some people might call "gangsters" but I just can't deal with violence, I'm shit at it, can't have a fight to save my life, quite literally. For some reason though, I have excellent networking skills and a knack for meeting the right people at the right time. I also have lots of knowledge that these people like, such as IT skills re: fraud, but that's for another thread...

Back on to the greenery; the strain I'm growing here is "Bubble Cheese" which is a reverse cross between "Bubblegum" and "Cheese" strains.

Also I know what you mean about paranoia, it keeps you alive but you have to strike a balance.

I will be posting more pictures as I go along, I could post more now but it'd just be pretty much the same as there hasn't been a great deal of development since the pics I have posted here already. On the note of EXIF data, yes I am very much aware of it and the fact that it should be stripped out. I'm nowhere near a laptop at the moment, is there any chance you can give me a sample of the EXIF data that is included in the pics I've posted already? I'm pretty sure there won't be anything incriminating, I hope not anyway but it's always good to be sure.

And if you want to discuss growing tips and techniques I'm more than up for having a good discussion on the subject.

>>6055

I won't be arsing around with SR. I'm against paying their bond and all the other messing around. I've had enough hassle as a buyer on there. And street prices atm are 40 for an on weight henry anyway. Cunts are doing 1.5 score bits at the moment the robbing bastards.

My last reply was actually directed at >>6057 sorry for the error. As far as leaving DNA is concerned, I have not bothered with that but I do wear latex gloves so as not to leave any prints.

There are some pictures of them at different stages of development. The whole operation had some slight delays due to my mate being an alcoholic and using the money I was giving him for wine instead of electricity.

Some people just can't carry out the simplest of tasks. All he had to do was raise some seedlings but he was taking the piss. Specifically he had a 400 watt light running, I gave him a score on a Friday and he wanted more money by the monday. I told him I wasn't a cunt and showed him how to calculate the cost of running any electrical appliance by getting the per kw/h cost from the meter menu. He still tried to tell me I was wrong, but I suppose that's what happens when you're an alcoholic. Shame really because I've known him ten years and I was going to sort him right out but now he's getting fuck all for being so dumb.

Hmm I just tried to use this application on my phone and it errors out saying that the EXIF data cannot be scrubbed because the EXIF data cannot be read. Can anyone shed any light on this please?

Well I just found an online Exif viewer and had a look and my files don't contain anything incriminating. The only info of even the slightest concern is the date and time and the info about the type of phone.

For anyone interested, it is jeffreys Exif viewer.

>>6059

Fair enough; as a buyer I rarely consider the cost implications for vendors. That said, I had assumed the supposed anonymity would justify the costs.

Top lad for growing UK-centric genetics. It's a shame Cheese always leaves me feeling slightly paranoid. Hopefully the Bubblegum helps mitigate that (though I've had a a couple of pheno's of Bubblegum that are just as bad as cheese). I hope you got a decent carbon filter, I imagine that cross will smell RUDE!

Anyways, stay safe lad. Gangsters and the police are not your friends. Overgrow the planet, just don't get nicked or tapped.

P.s Avoid icmag.com. The owner just got busted. I doubt he'd rat, and the servers are in Holland, but still...

>>6066

I used to know the owner of icmag. Well I met him once lol. Didn't know he had been nicked :( shame for the guy.

As for the smell, I've got a filter and fan set up already as the stuff is stinking even just in veg, I think it's gonna be a real stinker!

As for the police and gangsters not being my friends, I've learned a lot of lessons over the years and them lessons have caused me to be very cold towards people I don't know now so I'm very wary of everyone. The absolute minimum of people know about this, ie just me and my Mrs.

As far as the grow forums go I stopped going on them years ago when the novelty of growing had worn off. That and the fact that there are more cunt-offs on them forums than you get on imageboards. In particular uk420. If you disagree with their methods then you'll get banned and that's no exaggeration, they're absolutely ridiculous.

Anyway, onwards and upwards! The big plant you see has just been put into flower, and in about a week and a half the cuttings will be joining her after they've had a bit of veg in the cupboard.

>>6066

https://www.thcfarmer.com/community/threads/gypsy-nirvana-arrested-in-manilla.57933/

Really long thread about the icmag bust. I'm surprised the UK press hasn't covered it. Good read if you're into your weed gossip...

>>6068
Isn't the concept of a debt-free centrally-issued currency flawed in some way?

>>6068

Thanks I'm going to take a read now.

>>6069

Not being a cunt mate but if you are looking to derail a thread can you fuck off elsewhere and do it please?

>>6066

Just to add that its a "rhino" filter that I've got. Must say though I won't be buying one again as they are priced very very high and I've noticed no difference in construction quality or the actual efficacy of the filter.

>>6072

Really? The Rhino's are the best of the best supposedly. Good airflow rates and long life compared to 'the rest'. Been a few years since I've tendered a garden, but I can say without doubt that a decent filter is worth its weight in gold. I'd avoid the budget ranges especially from Growell. Nothing worse than smelling your house two streets away!

>>6073

Well I suppose to be fair I have only had it running for about a week or so, but I really can't tell the difference between the rhino and the unbranded filters that I've always used in the past. Only reason I got this one is because a mate had a brand new one that he didn't need so I bought it off of him. I suppose I will have a better idea of how well it works when I'm a little further into flowering but before I set this filter up the place was reeking of weed and it seems to be doing the job very well, but like I mentioned I can't tell the difference between this and the others I used previously. If they do the job then they do the job don't they?

Tell me, do you have any experience of ozone generators?

I used to use budget filters but from greenshorticulture. They are the best priced grow supplies site I can find and I love the fact that their website just has pics of veg and chillies rather than fucking jailbait ganja leaves all over the place.

>>6074

Ozone generators provide good backup in case of filter failure. I wouldn't use them without a filter though. I'm sure you know already not to place them anywhere near the air you inhale. Generally they are placed inline to your exhaust, or in a lung room for air conditioned setups (switched off during gardening duties of course).

One thing I never managed to do was provide backup air scrubbing in power shortages. During one of my last grows a random 2 day blackout got the neighbours talking. Needless to say, Fabreeze and burnt toast did fuck all!

>>6076

Lol I can just imagine you burning toast and running around the place with febreezing everything like there's no tomorrow.

I know the script with ozone, it's just I've never seen one in action first hand and just wanted to know how good they are at killing odours as all I've heard about them is that they are very good but expensive.

I would consider investing in something like that at the end of this project to use for the next one. To my mind it's the most important bit of kit you can have next to the lights themselves.

To be honest I'm more worried about getting robbed than getting nicked as I live in a very very rough area where fortunately for me the cops have street smack dealers and stabbings to contend with and the drying will be getting done at my place not the grow location so I'd want the smell to a minimum during this process.

As you probably know yourself, the manicuring process let's off a hell of a smell!

>>6047
>Sorry old chap but how is that overkill? There's going to be about 20 plants in the room, so 5 plants per light.
Total fucking overkill. I've done 16 monster plants on one 600 before.

>I used to do big time grows before but I had to have a wee break due to getting busted. So I'm getting back in the saddle so to speak.
Oh I see, you're an idiot.

>>6077
> the drying will be getting done at my place not the grow location so I'd want the smell to a minimum during this process.

>As you probably know yourself, the manicuring process let's off a hell of a smell!
this just gets better and better.

>>6078

Mate you are full of shit. You couldn't even fit 16 "monster" plants under a 600 watt light. And even if you did, the light penetration would be shit to say the least. How much was your yield from these monster plants? What size pots did you use? How far above the canopy was your 600 watt light?

By my reckoning you would have four rows of four plants, and seeing as your plants were such monsters they would need appropriate spacing which would mean you would be using an area of around 32 square feet by my very rough calculations at this time of the morning.

Are you the cunt shitposting in other people's threads and calling them idiots? Sorry, but you come across as a complete cunt that does not have a clue what he is talking about.

I'm eagerly awaiting your reply with the answers to my questions above.

You know what? At least post something constructive.

What's the matter? Woke up alone in your bedsit getting ready to go work the breakfast shift at McDonald's?

>>6080
No, I'm not shitposting in other threads. This is the only thread I've posted in for a few days.

To be fair, I only got about 3/4 ounces off each plant, which I know isn't the best. The light distribution wasn't great either, as they were all squashed into a normal sized grow tent. I didn't really give a huge fuck though for two reasons.

1 - the police have said in some local rags that it's when the power draw is above 600 that they start getting suspicious. I, unlike you, have never been busted for growing, and I've done a fair few grows over the years. Not got one on at the moment as there's no room where me and the Mrs live.

2 - I was only growing it for personal anyway. Your point earlier about not a soul knowing is a good one. Unless you're selling it to your aforementioned other half, you will be breaking that rule.

Best of luck with the grow and all that, but you're an absolute fucking retard for growing again once busted.

Also, for someone so "techy" as if they won't use that laptop left with the camera to track you down. One quick call to the ISP and they'll have your number.

>>6048

In the picture in the above quoted post are what you call monster plants. 28 of them. You are trying to bullshit and say you could fit 16 of them under one 600 watt light? LOL. There were five 600 watt lights used for that grow and it was a fair squeeze fitting everything in.

I do believe there is a thread somewhere about people who bullshit their way into jobs by lying about their qualifications. You'd fit right in there.

>>6081
Don't have a teary m8. Christ you sound like a knob.

>>6083
Congrats on paying too much for your electric. You sound like a real winner.

>>6041
Also, watching you post pictures then go "Derp, suppose I better check what the EXIF is showing!" was a real chuckle. Keep 'em coming lad.

>>6082

Sorry, I don't slag people off for no reason but you've now claimed to have got roughly 1.5 kilos of green out of a "normal" sized grow tent with one 600 watt light. That's utter nonsense. The OPTIMUM and I mean for a god like grower, is ONE GRAM PER WATT *DRY*.

And what local rag did you read that in about power draw? Please link us to it as I'm sure you can do that with your tech skills. Sorry, what was that? You can't remember where you read it?! So do the old bill come round when you switch on an immersion heater? Or a kettle? Which both have very high current draw. A fucking PC can draw a kilowatt if it's a decent set up. An electric shower draws at least twice that.

And what's with the stupid spoiler text?? Mate you've fucking come into this thread and spouted one load of nonsense and instead of quitting whilst ahead you've further made yourself look like an idiot. I've been in this game a long time and I know what I'm talking about.

And if you want to know why I got busted it was due to the competition wanting my customers and nothing else.

I know what .gs is like, so there is no way I would launch into a tirade like this unless I knew I was fucking right and I'm pretty sure some more people will be calling you out on this before the day is out. You came in here and tried to belittle and insult without knowing your shit.

I can't wait for your next reply telling us all about your 16 "monster" plants in your 1.2x1.2m grow tent. LOL.

>>6087
>Sorry, I don't slag people off for no reason but you've now claimed to have got roughly 1.5 kilos of green out of a "normal" sized grow tent with one 600 watt light. That's utter nonsense. The OPTIMUM and I mean for a god like grower, is ONE GRAM PER WATT *DRY*.
I suppose some further clarification: some of the plants (about6 I think) were lowrider strains that didn't do too well. I think the space they didn't take up helped the others.
>And what local rag did you read that in about power draw? Please link us to it as I'm sure you can do that with your tech skills.
M8, I've got better things to do than trawl the internet in search of a link for some butthurt retard on the internet. Especially one who can't read, as I said a local rag. Could have been the cops bullshitting though, who knows.
>I've been in this game a long time and I know what I'm talking about.
OK mr big man.
>And if you want to know why I got busted it was due to the competition wanting my customers and nothing else.
Again, my superior intelligence shines through. I only grow for myself, and have never had any hassle off "gangsters" (ooh you must lead such an exciting life) or the popo.
I could post pics of the grow I'm on about, but I'm not going to bother because I'm not some fucking mong who posts pictures of my illegal activities on the internet, especially without stripping EXIF data first.

Good day.

>>6084
>>6085
>>6086

Is there any need for the samefagging?

Who said anything about paying for electricity, but I'm not getting into that with a bellend like you. You don't need the advice anyway as you can get ten grands worth of weed from a small grow tent anyway.

As for the fucking EXIF data I know about that anyway and I kind of already knew that it contained no incriminating information already. I wanted to further check as the kind gentleman who brought it up was bringing something constructive to the discussion.

Yeah like I'd be taking pics of anything with the GPS turned on... best hurry along to McDonald's now mate I'll be wanting my sausage and egg McMuffin pretty soon.

On a serious note, I'm always looking to better my technique, any chance you could give me a few pointers on how to make better use of my lighting as you seem to have a trick or two up your sleeve that even Howard Marks seems to have missed out on?

>>6089
>Who said anything about paying for electricity,
I said keep 'em coming, and boy you sure did!

>>6089
>On a serious note, I'm always looking to better my technique, any chance you could give me a few pointers on how to make better use of my lighting as you seem to have a trick or two up your sleeve that even Howard Marks seems to have missed out on?
I'm sure you know what you're doing. Growing weed is about more than the technique though, a big part is not getting fucking caught.

However, to optimise a small grow space, taking off some of the bigger leaves so the light can get down to the rest has worked wonders for me. I thought it sounded counter-productive at first due to them being needed for photosynthesis, but I didn't notice any deterioration.

>>6089>>6089
>Is there any need for the samefagging?
So, making more than one post when you have thought up something else to say is "samefagging" now is it?

Did I try and pretend I was someone else to prop up my posts?

I think you need to go read internet for dummies m8.

Oh another tip, use that guano as a fertiliser. Many growers I know as well as I swear by it.

>>6092
>I think you need to go read internet for dummies m8.
He needs to go and read life for dummies.

THAT my friend, is samefagging.

>>6088

Lololololololololol

That's how much I'm laughing now as you are digging yourself a deeper hole. Lowryder is an autoflowering strain that if you are very very good at growing you will get an ounce MAX per plant.

Onto your local rag bullshit. If it was your local rag you would need even less "trawling" ever heard of Google? If you gave me the name of your local rag I could find the info myself.

And who's trying to be the big man? Certainly not me. I'm just defending myself against your lunacy and putting others right on your bullshit account of your grow as the less knowledgeable on the subject might actually believe some of what you are writing.

As for your inane comment at the end about your superior intelligence, well, I'll let the emperor enjoy his lovely new clothes. He looks great in them doesn't he?

End of... I want to discuss growing with like minded folk. if you had offered constructive criticism I would have loved to talk to you. By the looks of it you could use some advice. I've met plenty of people like you, they've got plenty of tales to tell about their past endeavours but no proof.

Why don't you strip the Exif from at least one of your pics cause I'd be a fucking very proud man if I were you with what you are claiming to have produced.

And anyway, Exif data doesn't provide fuck all info unless the GPS is enabled. Oh wow, I may have revealed the date and time I took some pics and even then that's assuming the date and time are set correctly on the device.

>>6095
>If you gave me the name of your local rag
Nope. I've been talking about breaking the law. Any identifying information whatsoever would be moronic. I don't have to prove anything to butthurt keyboard warriors like you.
>Why don't you strip the Exif from at least one of your pics cause I'd be a fucking very proud man if I were you with what you are claiming to have produced.
See above.

You seem really upset by this whole discussion. I think you should step away from the keyboard for a bit. Maybe go outside.

>>6091

Really you want to be removing fan leaves from the bottom, the ones that aren't getting light. Bigger leaves can be removed from the top to allow for better light penetration I do agree with that but I believe the effects to be marginal. I've not measured the difference myself. I like to leave them if I can as after all they are there to photosynthesize and each node has a fan leaf and then a growing tip above it so I've always thought that the leaf "feeds" that node. I may be wrong, that's just my educated guess. A good idea what I like to do is chuck a couple of 125 watt CFL's underneath the plant facing upwards.

Regarding bat shit fertiliser I fucking swear by the stuff. I don't actually buy the guano but I use house-garden.nl Batmix which has it already mixed in. I don't need to feed AT ALL during the veg stage. I only start feeding during flower. It really is that good. Do you buy your guano separately? What kind of quantity do you use and how is it administered? Like I said, I've no experience of using it like that.

See? Isn't it fun having some proper discussion where all can learn something, no matter how much they think they know?

>>6096

Oh lawd....

I'm not getting annoyed in the least. The only thing annoying me is my Mrs snoring like fuck next to me in bed.

You really are digging yourself deeper, lad. You make some bold claims and now you are unwilling to substantiate them. I suppose you have a thirty two inch penis too but don't want to break any laws by posting it on here lest we find out where you live from your Exif data and rob your ten-kilos-in-a-grow-tent.

Just as I started to think I'd actually got you to listen to some sense. I can't wait until the rest of .gs wakes up and reads this.

Do you reckon you could at least show us one of these lowryders that you got three or four ounce from? Seriously mate you should move to the 'Dam and get set up over there. Sounds like you could teach them a trick or two.

I'm going to make a cup of tea so there's no need to samefag, I can imagine you there sweating and hitting the submit button and starting another rant two seconds later. You must be new here.

>>6097
>Really you want to be removing fan leaves from the bottom, the ones that aren't getting light.
Oh, definitely. I do that too. Also of course any that are withering at all.
>A good idea what I like to do is chuck a couple of 125 watt CFL's underneath the plant facing upwards.
Pretty good idea, I'd not thought of that.
>Do you buy your guano separately? What kind of quantity do you use and how is it administered?
You can get a bag of the stuff from down the market. Another top tip avoid buying anything online or with your credit card. There is most probably a seed shop in your town, unless you live in the sticks. Cash is fucking king. The paper trail ends when it leaves your hands.
As for administering it, when I used it last I was using soil instead of rockwool (trying to go a bit more for the organic approach or something, hippy that I am) and I just bunged a load in the soil.
>See? Isn't it fun having some proper discussion where all can learn something, no matter how much they think they know?
I think you need thicker skin. I really do wish you the best with your grow, especially seeing as you're selling it I might end up smoking some one day! Having said that, you're still a fucking idiot, for all the aforementioned reasons.

What someone else thinks on the internet about you though, doesn't really matter.

You'll notice I've not slagged off your plants. Maybe one 60 light would be underkill for you, but four IMHO is still waaaay overkill. Opinions are like arseholes and all that.

>>6099
>Do you reckon you could at least show us one of these lowryders that you got three or four ounce from?
Stop obsessing teenlad! I never got that amount off the lowriders, only the normal plants. You're taking an incredibly tenuous point and stretching it.

>Also, for someone so "techy" as if they won't use that laptop left with the camera to track you down. One quick call to the ISP and they'll have your number.

Omg wtf am I reading? N1 M7. Because I made sure to get BT fucking Total Broadband put into my grow op didn't I? Fuck it, I really do wish I'd just used a payg dongle bought second hand from a pawn shop. Fuck it I can't believe I've been so stupid.

>>6098
>I'm not getting annoyed in the least.
You're doing a bloody good impression.
>I suppose you have a thirty two inch penis too but don't want to break any laws by posting it on here
For the record, 7 inches! I won't be taking your bait to post it though. homo.
> I can't wait until the rest of .gs wakes up and reads this.
Me neither. This has been a laugh riot.

>>6102
That camera feeds back to somewhere. The ISP will have logs where it goes.

Also, you do know about all the NSA backdoors etc? I doubt you're using an open source operating system. Just a hunch.

>>6100

I always pay cash.

And more on the guano if you could. How much is in a bag and sorry but could you be a little more precise than just bunging a load in the soil. I know it's organic but I still wouldn't want to risk nute burn.

On the subject of opinions on the internet etc I know that exactly. But all I was doing was giving my opinions on yours. I see you can have a discussion so let's either just agree to disagree on certain matters or if you can't do that just pretend to be someone else in the thread from now on. That's what I do when I've mugged myself off on an imageboard (lol).

One more thing about seed/grow shops. They fucking take the right piss with the price. I buy from greenshorticulture like you may have read above and I pay cash into their bank account at any HSBC branch that happens to be nearest to where I am. You could be super para and say there is still a risk but I believe it to be minimal.

How I got caught was as follows, a little condensed though: so called friend of mine saw how much money I was making so started an op himself. Problem was I was already supplying all of his potential customers, and I'm not a wanker so I sell my shit at 30% below current marker price on the oz, so he obviously needed me out the way so he fuckin grassed on me. Greed is a funny thing which I'm glad I don't suffer from. I had already offered him an "in" but he wasn't happy with that due to the greed again. Another story altogether that anyway...

Funny thing was I heard from my old punters how gutted they were because matey was trying to sell them damp as fuck mouldy green at 200 an ounce, which at the time was expensive compared to the market price.

This time round no cunt knows what I'm doing. Hence my posting about it here so I have somewhere to discuss it and a bit of "release" psychologically speaking.

>>6104

Mate to be fair that's just TOO much paranoia. Fucking NSA backdoors lol? I'm growing a bedsit full of ganj, I'm not making aye eee deees.

As for tracing it back? I'm not insulting your knowledge but where are they going to trace it to? I could be a lying cunt and say I send someone else to buy the top up to add the data bundle to the dongle but I don't, I buy it myself. But are the old bill going to go as far as that? Once they find out its a payg dongle they may investigate where it was originally purchased, but after that I doubt they'll be looking at cctv to see who topped it up. They'd be happy enough with nicking the grow.

You've got me thinking though. Maybe I should hide the laptop in the ceiling space and connect the ip cam using wifi? Or do away with the laptop altogether and get a wireless bridge to connect the ip cam to? Actually you know what? I'm going to buy a wireless bridge today. Not joking either. Something productive has come from your cunt-off.

As for open source OS, of course I fucking do, lad. You can't claim to be tech at all and then NOT use open source!

>>6105
>And more on the guano if you could. How much is in a bag and sorry but could you be a little more precise than just bunging a load in the soil. I know it's organic but I still wouldn't want to risk nute burn.
Not really. About as scientific as I got was just bunging a load in. All turned out alright though.
>if you can't do that just pretend to be someone else in the thread from now on. That's what I do when I've mugged myself off on an imageboard (lol).
Strangely, I never feel the need to do this.
>One more thing about seed/grow shops. They fucking take the right piss with the price.
I've not noticed any major differences. Sure, it will be a bit cheaper (I have bought online seeds before...well...someone has bought online seeds for me, as I refused to let my card anywhere near) but not a major difference.
>How I got caught was as follows, a little condensed though:
Hrm. You certainly need to pick your friends more carefully. I'm guessing your talk of gangsters earlier ties into this.
>This time round no cunt knows what I'm doing. Hence my posting about it here so I have somewhere to discuss it and a bit of "release" psychologically speaking.
Understandable. At the same time, I hope you're posting this NOT from your home connection, which will be logged as you (even a PAYG dongle will be logged as you, if you've ever logged into facebook on it. You didn't log into facebook ever on your camera setup did you?).
I also hope you're posting this from a Linux box, on a hacked neighbours wifi using a cantenna so you're far away enough to avoid suspicion, having (of course) changed your MAC address.

Because that's what I do would do.

>>6104

btw sorry to samefag myself, but the isp wouldn't have any logs that pertain to the camera. For one I'm using ssl encryption for the cam feed so that Joe bloggs can't log into when he finds it with the Google cam finder trick, and it's also vpn'd. I've set it up as secure as possible. The laptop is even locked down so it can't be accessed. There is no hdd inside it, I took it out as it's an old laptop with data that they could indeed recover. I'm running a custom linux from a flash drive.

>>6106
>Mate to be fair that's just TOO much paranoia.
No such thing when you're breaking the law. Every now and then they decide to crack down on ganja growers to look good. Of course, they will probably go more for the low hanging fruit, but you can never be too careful.
>As for tracing it back? I'm not insulting your knowledge but where are they going to trace it to? I could be a lying cunt and say I send someone else to buy the top up to add the data bundle to the dongle but I don't, I buy it myself.
You're looking at this from the wrong angle.
Those packets have to go somewhere. Where they go is you.

>>6108
>vpn
Personally, I don't trust them as they require credit cards. Plus, quite a few VPN providers have handed over the logs before.

>>6108
For christ's sake teenlad, that isn't classed as samefagging! I gave you an example earlier in the thread.

>>6107

That post was going so well until you mentioned failbook. I wouldn't even visit the bloody url let alone log in to the fucker lol. I would use a neighbours wifi but they don't have any. I have my own wifi but I'm not using it. I'm not even using a computer. I'm typing all this from my payg phone. I'm sure they could trace it back but it would be very difficult for them and even with nsa of late we are still in the uk I believe and they'd need some kind of evidence first before they'd get auth'd to start digging around like that. I do enjoy discussing theory on such matters though.

Like I said at the beginning of this thread, if your level paranoia is that high it will ruin you. Sometimes if you are too para it will make you look odd and then people may wonder why.

On the subject of gangsters, I've never had any trouble off that type of person. Such a person wouldn't grass. They honour the rules of the street. The little cunt that grassed me up was just after a quick buck and the sad thing is that he failed miserably so he fucked me for nothing! C'est la vie...

>>6110

There are free vpn providers. And I know all about packets, I'm actually a CCNA in my spare time lol. They don't go to "you" physically, only ones I get are from the postman. I thought I was being para having the cam setup. Well at least I'll know when I've been busted. In fact I've just had a look and just watched the timer switch the lights off so now I can't see much, only the IR is working now so it's all grey-green.

>>6112
> I'm typing all this from my payg phone.
Even worse! Those things are basically a flashy bug these days. They can remotely control them all, and enable stuff like GPS on the sly.
> I'm sure they could trace it back but it would be very difficult for them and even with nsa of late we are still in the uk I believe
GCHQ ring any bells with you? Our lot have the same level of access as the NSA.
>they'd need some kind of evidence first before they'd get auth'd to start digging around like that.
Have you actually read any of the news from the last six months?
>Like I said at the beginning of this thread, if your level paranoia is that high it will ruin you. Sometimes if you are too para it will make you look odd and then people may wonder why.
I find this quite funny. Someone who has been busted before saying it's possible to be too paranoid. Looking odd? In what way, trenchcoat? You should be so paranoid you think the government has small robotic mayflys that might steal your thoughts. And never tell a soul about any of it...
>The little cunt that grassed me up was just after a quick buck and the sad thing is that he failed miserably so he fucked me for nothing!
I hope you had "words" with him. Someone like that deserves words.

>>6113
>They don't go to "you" physically,
M8, if you're viewing the camera, they're going to you. Surely you can agree with this, with all your CCNA training.

>>6114

I agree in principle but it's all a bit too tin-foil-hat.

And getting back to the packets, I'm doing the best I can. Like I said, I'm using SSL and even that's over a VPN so they would see that as the end point. I'm also using a vpn (a different one) from this end when I'm using the cam. And these aren't paid for vpn services but I've no need to go into that. Anyone with appropriate knowledge will know what I'm getting at.

And let's face it, if they are on to me to that degree I'm pretty much fucked anyway. Surely we can agree on that.

You've got me that para now I may have to resort to using 7 proxies because we all know that you can't get caught if you do that ;)

>>6116
>SSL
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/09/06/how_uk_spooks_revealed_they_did_not_fear_ssl_encryption/
>You've got me that para now I may have to resort to using 7 proxies because we all know that you can't get caught if you do that ;)
Top tip, from one anon to another. When you chain proxies, have one of them in the middle be a Chinese one. The Great Firewall Of China doesn't affect anything if it's in a midpoint in the chain (also, stick it on the end one day and have a look at the censored internet, quite interesting) and the Chinese generally tell the west to go fuck themselves when they get asked for stuff like this. They usually think it's one of their home grown (dohoho) hackers and don't want to turn them in.

>>6117

Good idea actually never considered that myself with the China thing.

Having a wee quiet chuckle to myself about something else there.

Btw could you tell me a little more about this guano business? Any idea how much was in the bag and how much of the bag did you use when you chucked a load in?

>>6118
>Having a wee quiet chuckle to myself about something else there.

Ah, one of your "free" VPN sources in China then?

>Btw could you tell me a little more about this guano business? Any idea how much was in the bag and how much of the bag did you use when you chucked a load in?
It was a bag about the size of a walkers crisp bag. Full though, not empty like they are.

I just chucked about half a handful in around the roots when it was flowering. Watered it after that. I've since been told that was way too much, but I didn't see any leaf burn.

>>6119

Yeah nute burn is minimal when you are using organics but I always like to be careful due to the time invested in the plants. I could lie and say the effort also but you'd have to be the laziest of lazy bastards to be claiming that one.

When you say you chucked it in around the roots how do you mean? Could you elaborate on this a little further please? I'd actually be interested to know how much guano is in the various batmix soils that are sold as they don't state a quantity, they only quote the NPK levels present in the mix.

As an aside, guano as a fertiliser is said to be very environmentally friendly yet I was reading a post by some raging fag on another site claiming that the bats are harmed in the process. That made me lol when I read that I must say.

>>6120
>When you say you chucked it in around the roots how do you mean?
Exactly what I say. Just chucked it around the roots. Who knows, maybe I did it completely fucking wrong. I did press it down a bit with my fingers and scatter some soil on top of it. I've never been a very precise grower. God knows how I get so lucky, I've known folks who get out all the PH equipment and still fuck up the plants. I remember one guy buying all the tenner a bottle grow feed while I used tomato feed from the pound shop and my plants were twice the size of his.
Maybe what helps is having it in your house, and going and chilling with the plants for a long time each day (don't laugh - I mean the CO2 output from human respiration could help maybe). That grow, my flatmate was sleeping in the same room, so they got plenty of CO2.
Fuck knows what the make up of the guano was, I just bought the bag and got to it.
>As an aside, guano as a fertiliser is said to be very environmentally friendly yet I was reading a post by some raging fag on another site claiming that the bats are harmed in the process. That made me lol when I read that I must say.
I now have an image of Guatamalian bat farmers feverishly squeezing bats over a bucket so they will poo.

ITT: People who think PC Plod has the capabilities of GCHQ.

>>6122
Better safe than sorry.

>>6121

You are so right there. The people that buy all the kit are the ones that fuck it up. Eager to get in there with the plants thinking they can make the fuckers grow faster or some shit, messing about adjusting pH and all that bollocks. Only time you should mess with pH and EC is when doing hydro, and even when I did hydro I must have gotten lucky because it all turned out fine. I think that was more to do with the water in my location as opposed to luck though really.

And the fools that spend a fortune on grow chems. I will say I disagree with your point about tomato feed. You can get away with it but I've murdered plants with nute burn using that stuff when I was a novice. Its not the price of the chems it's which ones to use. I knew a chap that had literally ten different fucking bottles that he would spend an age mixing up every feeding time and didn't get particularly impressive results.

I'll tell you what I use personally. Bio-Bizz Grow, Bloom and Top Max. Can't quote amounts as it varies per strain but boy does it work. I've had people question me back in the day on the growing forums as to what I was using to get such "killer bud" and they've been shocked into disbelief when I tell them that simple formula.

When growing you will have more success if you really just leave it alone and stay the fuck away from it. That's how the novices fuck up. They fuck around with it too much and go overboard with the feeding. Protip: overfeeding or overdoing anything for that matter, is harder to fix than underfeeding or underdoing. And a lot of the time the situation is beyond repair :(

As far as CO2 enrichment goes, I have never done this myself but I DID want to. Emphasis on the DID. After reading about it from many sources I ascertained the following. To use CO2 you have to have temps up in the 30's to get the stoma to open up so the plant will take in the CO2. This is bad for two reasons. Firstly heat can get you caught, no need to explain that one. Secondly, if you don't do it right that kind of temperature in the grow room will severely stunt the plants if not outright kill them. And even after all that if you are successful with it you will only increase yield but something stupid like 5%. When you take all that into account and then factor in not only the cost of the CO2 but also the equipment required to release it I deemed it an unworthy endeavour. Risking your grow for 5% just ain't worth it cause if something we're to go awry with the CO2 setup like a dodgy regulator or the gas running out, well, read my caveats above.

And like I was initially saying, simplicity has always given me the best results. The way I look at it is that it is a weed that grows in the wild. And it is a very rugged weed at that. If you look in my pics, the ones with the cuttings in the plastic cups, you will see the two stems the cuttings were taken from. Them stems actually have survived and regenerated and that even shocked me. I was gonna chuck them out but I noticed new shoots growing. I will take pics of them again later when I go round as they have come on real good. I'm going to keep them on to take more cuttings from.

Typing all this on a phone is pretty fun....

>>6122

OP here. I don't rate plod that highly but if you can take precautions then why not? Its that old adage; better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it. And believe me, I've had some wonderful moments of hindsight when I've been standing at the custody sergeants charge desk.

>>6121

Loving the bit about the guatamalan farmers. I'm just picturing that now.

>>6124
>Typing all this on a phone is pretty fun....
You poor bastard.
>I will say I disagree with your point about tomato feed. You can get away with it but I've murdered plants with nute burn using that stuff when I was a novice.
Nah, I'm betting that's more down to your admitted novice status back then. Like you said, trick is not overfeeding it.
All I ever used to do was put a capful in a two litre bottle of water (empty coke bottle) and water all the plants with that. When they were small, the bottle would last a few days, when they were large and flowering, less so.
> I knew a chap that had literally ten different fucking bottles that he would spend an age mixing up every feeding time
I'm shaking my head here. I bet he didn't listen to anthing anyone said either.
>When growing you will have more success if you really just leave it alone and stay the fuck away from it.
YES. And don't get tempted to go and look in the grow room when it's lights out (sure I don't need to tell you why, what with your camera setup). Just give it some water/feed, give it some light, and check it once a day to make sure everything is alright.
>Protip: overfeeding or overdoing anything for that matter, is harder to fix than underfeeding or underdoing. And a lot of the time the situation is beyond repair :(
Oh yeah...the aforementioned flatmate nearly ruined a grow with that attitude. He also had the fuckton huge light on tiny plants inches away scorching the shit out of them. This was AFTER I had specifically put them under only a 200 to get them going, as I figured they were fragile at the time. He called me up in the middle of the day and I charged straight out of where I was at the time straight home, and rescued them, whilst giving him a massive bollocking. He was supposed to be learning how to grow from me, and I told him not to do anything without asking me first. I went off so much at him that I ended up apologising for going over the top, but it got the message across.
>As far as CO2 enrichment goes, I have never done this myself but I DID want to
I notice you also posted about the cost of this. Another grower I know used to get the CO2 cartridges from pellet guns and release a bit into the room. Could have been placebo, who knows. But he's the best grower I've ever known.
>The way I look at it is that it is a weed that grows in the wild. And it is a very rugged weed at that.
Have I got a story for you.

At fourteen years old, my father drunkenly remarked about some plants he'd grown in the back garden, after a local gardener friend in a pub gave him the seeds, saying they were a great easy to grow hedge. You can see where this is going...

Didn't think much of it till he showed me the next day - 3 ganja plants, all about 3 feet tall in my back garden! I could barely keep from laughing, but instead feigned an interest and actually got him to move one of them into my room in a pot to look after. He was surprised I had taken such an interest in gardening.

Fast forward a few months (this was under natural light, so took longer, but he's done most of the work for me) and I get caught by my mum one morning with a phat bag of shitty home grown. Like a PHAT bag. She was going mad, saying "WHERE DID YOU GET IT? TELL ME, WE'RE GOING TO THE POLICE!"

At this point, I actually did laugh. And told her dad had been growing it. She looked so shocked, bless her.

When I got home from school that day, all that was left was the stems in the pots :( still fucking hilarious.

Here's the main cola of one of my old plants for you to peruse at your leisure.

Sorry about the low res.

>>6128
I ain't gonna lie, that's about twice as thick as what I was averaging on my one light.

>>6127

Yes, yes, yes, yes and yes. But I still disagree with the tomato feed if only for results as opposed to fuck ups. I mean, I'm sure it'll work but there's nothing better than using the correct stuff. But I suppose if I HAD to budget, something is better than nothing.

Back onto the CO2, what your mate was doing I was going to do but found out that it absolutely has to have a controlled release mechanism and you need the high temps or the plant simply cannot make use of it.

That story you told about your dad was a goodun. I remember when I was very little my grandad had shit loads of hemp growing in the garden due to the bird seed from our aviary. I didn't know what they were at the time but he told me about it when he found out I started smoking the shit. He would always say that's why canaries sing like fuck :D

And with regards to the phone I'm using, it's a BlackBerry otherwise I'd never be typing all this. I'd get up and use the laptop.

One more bit of bud porn...

I've got to go to work shortly so ill be away for a bit. I'll post some more oldies when I get a chance later on. And some new ones from my current op just to show progress.

Lights go on at around nine-ish (pm).

Forgot the pic in the last post.....

Some finished "product".

Blueberry.

>>6130
>He would always say that's why canaries sing like fuck :D

I like your grandad.

This thread has produced one of the more amusing .gs cuntoffs I've ever seen, you two clearly get up early in the morning to have a barney. Personally I think you two should just cut to the chase, bump off your Mrs-es and move in together so you can be a ganj-growing version of Tom and Barbara Good - there's certainly enough material in here for a sitcom.

You could call it The Bud Life.

>>6136
>You could call it The Bud Life
Well played.

Nothin like a good pun

>>6136

Well at least it ended up being productive. I like it that way. Its all too easy to just tell someone to fuck off when your opinions differ. Its much better to get to the ROOT of the problem rather than just LEAVE it.

>>6139
You don't need capital letters to plant the idea of a pun into our heads.

>>6140

Sorry, it was like I was saying it out loud to myself. I know it's bad to laugh at your own jokes and all that but I've had a long night and had to go to work. Just finished now luckily enough for me.

>>6140

I see what you did there.

>>6142

Wood you not keep barking on about it?

>>6144
You're starting to soil this thread with your awful jokes.

Leaf if out please. The thread is branching off topic now just as it was starting to grow nicely with some fertile discussion.

>>6146
What gives you the right to weed out worthwhile topics of conversation from not?

>>6148
Stop it, you're all too mulch.

>>6149

OP here. Had some particularly bad news this evening and reading these posts have stopped me feeling down.

Anyway, here is a pic or two of the current situation.

Trying to show some proportion here.

This pic is of the two plants that I stripped for cuttings. I can now highly recommend this bubble cheese strain for its resilience. Some strains don't take well to cuttings. In my previous experience which is reasonably lengthy you can normally only get away with removing roughly 2/3 of the plant without killing it.

Some of the cuttings....

A relay contactor. Used for switching on a device with a high inductive load at startup. If you use a timer on its own it will fuse the contacts together.

Here are the three plants together before two were stripped for cuttings.

A couple of the cuttings last week for comparison.

That's it for the pictures tonight chaps. Here for growing discussion though.

>>6152

Btw I "topped" this plant. Which basically means chopping the top of it off. When you do this the growing tip that has been removed will develop into two separate growing tips so you get a bush shaped plant as opposed to the natural Christmas tree shape.

>>6150
That was getting unbearable. Thankfully you seem to have managed to stem the tide of shit puns.

>>6163

It certainly got to the root of the problem and nipped it in the bud.

Right I've committed a mortal sin and changed to the iPhone. Pics of the almost final setting will be coming very soon.

>>6166

Careful lad, the iPhone has some really shit default privacy settings and it's easy to accidentally leak photos if you're not careful:

http://www.trendingcentral.com/london-deputy-mayor-uploads-dick-pics-to-facebook/

>>6167
He's mentioned he's an open source user, so he should load the pictures onto a linux computer and run "jhead -de filename.jpg" on each photo. Could probably do the whole lot in one command using wildcards.

Well I'm going to post some test pictures shortly after what I've read about the iPhone. Sure I will be ok but you can't be too careful eh? No major developments anyway really, just potted the cuttings up into eleven litre pots having skipped the usual six litre interval pot.

Just got round to posting again. Had a few things to do this week.

I have potted all my cuttings up and have got them vegging, went straight into 11 litre pots and ordered another light to be delivered monday. Once this comes, everything will be st up in its final form.

Thermal cameras aren't only used for finding runaway crims hiding in dustbins.

>>6209

Wow what a revelation that is.

Only an amateur has a boiling hot grow room. I myself pipe my exhaust from my fans up the chimney stack. Currently the temp in there is about 28 degrees, so all a helicopter would see is something akin to a toasty living room.

>>I myself pipe my exhaust from my fans up the chimney stack.

Bumder.

>>6210
I'm not even interested in the weed growing debate, but just out of curiosity, do you think anyone honestly keeps their living room at 28C? That seems mighty fucking hot to me.

>>6212

My mum.

>>6212

It is a bit warm but not overly so.

Also, thermal imaging cameras cannot see "through" the glass, they can only sense the temperature of the outside of the glass.

>>6214
So if one were to set up a room within a room, with the pocket of air between the two walls cooled to normal room temperature, the inside would be invisible no matter how hot is was?

>>6215

Indeed it would be.

When a thermal imaging camera looks at glass, it can only "see" the surface of the glass and not the interior.

And if you were to do what you propose, then you would be safe as houses. But remember, that heat has to go somewhere, so you have to vent it somewhere appropriate. That is why I vent mine up the chimney stack as this certainly does not look out of place and as the exhaust air mixes with the cooler air, it looks less jailbait when it exits the chimney.

It's getting rid of the heat that is the problem. When I used to grow at home at my flat I would vent the grow room air into my bedroom to save on heating bills. This is a very effective way of solving the heat problem, and also helps financially. You have less waste this way as you are making use of the heat that you would otherwise pipe straight out of the window.

>>6216

What if you devised a way to pipe the hot air down into the sewer access pipes? Would that work?

>>6041

Took me 15 minutes to read your diary mate because of these shitposters but I am looking forward to updates.

>>6214
28C is very warm room temp for this country. 25C is considered 'room temperature' in science but it is commonly accepted this is only accurate for rooms in somewhere like California.

>>6256

This is very good thinking and it is an idea that I have previously employed.

>>6281

Thank you very much for reading and replying.

Here is a short update comprising of some pictures of the latest stuff that I have growing in the other room.

And here are some cuttings taken last week.

All have rooted successfully.

Well, that's most of the cuttings. I didn't bother posting all of them individually as I am sure you all get the idea.

Everything that I have just posted is Barney's Farm Blue Cheese.

>>6464

Check the height of that beauty :)

Well here we have it.

Just chopped a crop and I thought that I would share the fruits of my labour with you all.

I have still only used two of my 600's for this grow as well...

It's time to really get my arse in gear, I've got a load of well rooted cuttings all ready to go. I have been keeping them in very low light conditions in the kitchen (by low light I mean as in for photosynthesis conditions) so that they will sit quite happily dormant. I wish I had labelled them though, because one of the plants that I have taken cuttings from, I am not one hundred percent happy with her genetics so I don't wish to clone her anymore. newchap error as well. Being honest, it's not even an error, it's plain and simple being a lazy, stoned cunt and not being arsed to get labels and a pen and be all pro lol.

I will get some pics on soon of the new little ones. Right now I am going to smoke a fat one of my product. You might be wondering how I will be doing so so soon after cutting down; here is a tip for those of you that may need to fast dry some weed. This works for bigger amounts as well.

I am sure that many of you have tried to fast dry some weed off your plants when desperate. I know I fucking have anyway! In the past, when I was a noob, I have used hairdryers, car heater/blower, tumble driers, microwaves and fucking all sorts. All of these methods are shit by the way. The very best way to fast dry weed, and by fast I mean very fast as opposed to the other methods available is to do either of the following, depending on how desperate.

We will start with very desperate. Pre-heat an oven to about 150C, and get your bud finely cut. Don't go too mad, not too fine or it will maybe dry too much. Set a timer for 8 minutes and put it in the oven on a plate.

If you are not quite as desperate then this way has the same effect as the above, but the taste and quality are much, much higher. Put the oven on full fucking whack, and leaving the oven door open, leave your bud in there whilst proceeding to boil the kettle and make a cup of tea. Then go and watch Jeremy Kyle, and then once Jeremy has slagged three people off being evil cannabis smokers, go and check on how it's doing. How you want to do this is by weight, because it may still be damp on the inside but crisp on the outside. If you're a smoker anyway you will get the hang of it. It's not rocket science.

You can do this with bigger amounts in an emergency. I dried out a full box in the oven once because I had to really get it out of the door, and then got busted the day after I had sold it.

>>6531
>tumble driers

Having once accidentally left a packet of fags in a hoodie that I then happily tossed into the washing machine, I can't imagine that this ended well.

>>6532

Yes it took fucking ages and It still didn't smoke properly. Also it completely ruined the shape.

Here is a nice dried out bud that I have just rather enjoyed smoking. I'm quite pleased with that having dried out in seven days.

What do you think?

I enjoyed this thread. More grow diaries please.

>>6861

No worries.

I am starting another one soon.

After finishing the grow in this thread, I decided to have some cooling off time, and it was a good idea too as I had a visit from the police in the interim.

>>6862
What did I tell you! Let us know a bit more of what happened.

>>6863

Well it was nothing really. They came round about an unrelated matter and had a snoop around whilst they were in.