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>> No. 4012 Anonymous
14th December 2012
Friday 9:36 am
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Stickied
Applying for JSA links
http://pastebin.com/5vJCh4HQ
http://www.urban75.com/Action/Jsa/jsa2.html
Both are a little out of date.
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>> No. 11266 Anonymous
20th April 2017
Thursday 10:31 pm
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>>11265

You sound like a wanker.
>> No. 11267 Anonymous
21st April 2017
Friday 12:33 pm
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>>11266
Maybe, The last time I signed on was 7 years ago and back then I was an unexperienced herbert so I was expecting to be treated like one.
I've been going from job to job moving up for the past few years and I know all the do's and dont's, how to write a CV, how to dress for Interviews and how to deal with them, all that stuff. So when I'm told I'm going to have to waste my time with stuff I already know it's understandable why I'll become cuntish.
I know they're only trying to help but I'm hardly some tracksuit wearing chav stinking of booze unwilling to look for work. As said I'm only really on it so I have a record I was doing something, I'm not going to be jumping through all their hoops this time.
>> No. 11274 Anonymous
21st April 2017
Friday 7:46 pm
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>>11267
Why are you unemployed if you know so much?
>> No. 11275 Anonymous
21st April 2017
Friday 10:48 pm
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>>11274
Because no one will believe the answer to life the universe and everything even if I told them.
>> No. 11276 Anonymous
21st April 2017
Friday 10:55 pm
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>>11275
Yeah, it is difficult to believe homeless alcoholic men.
>> No. 11585 Anonymous
24th August 2017
Thursday 9:52 pm
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>>4012
Had a PIP payment out of the blue of £1600.
Turns out the reassessment I had months ago has put me in the Standard Daily and Enchanced Mobility, instead of just Standard Daily and no Mobility.

The system works sometimes.
>> No. 11586 Anonymous
29th August 2017
Tuesday 11:46 am
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>>11585
How will you be using the money?
>> No. 11587 Anonymous
29th August 2017
Tuesday 11:53 am
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>>11586

I need to pay off my plasma screen from Brighthouse and I'm buying us all a takeaway as a treat.
>> No. 11589 Anonymous
29th August 2017
Tuesday 6:43 pm
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>>11587
Don't make fun of the lad. He's not necessarily retarded just because he receives PIP.
>> No. 11605 Anonymous
2nd October 2017
Monday 10:57 pm
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I've landed myself a part time job for 15 hours a week due to start in the next 2 weeks. I'm on universal credit so I'm guessing I'm still going to be on a leash with the job centre.

Are they going to make me look for work for 20 hours a week now rather than the usual 35? Do I still have to jump through all the hoops or will they remove some hoops now I've got some income?
>> No. 11606 Anonymous
3rd October 2017
Tuesday 12:09 am
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>>11605

When I was on it, you still had to do 35.
>> No. 11607 Anonymous
3rd October 2017
Tuesday 5:04 pm
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>>11589 >>11606
You don't have to pretend to us it takes even an hour a fortnight to produce the evidence the Jobcentre asks for.
>> No. 11623 Anonymous
7th October 2017
Saturday 7:52 pm
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>>11607

They can track your job applications through the system so they'll know if you're on it every day and what you searched for and applied for
>> No. 11624 Anonymous
7th October 2017
Saturday 9:48 pm
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>>11623
Can you not just leave the stalker mode tick box blank?
>> No. 11625 Anonymous
7th October 2017
Saturday 11:24 pm
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>>11623
There was no system when I was on it back in 2014. Weird.
>> No. 11626 Anonymous
8th October 2017
Sunday 12:11 pm
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>>11625

Got to spend millions on stalker tech to catch those benefit cheats who've roont ARE country, mate. However much money it takes to stop them leeching money from the system... Wait.
>> No. 11631 Anonymous
10th October 2017
Tuesday 2:42 pm
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>>11624
Yes, but then you get pestered every week begging for access and they want dated printouts of applications etc.
>> No. 11655 Anonymous
1st November 2017
Wednesday 3:40 pm
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I'm going to lose my job soon, and I've looked to the local councils universal credit helpline for an estimation. It turns out I am eligible for £10 a week, because my girlfriend earns 17k. Now my girlfriend is by no means someone I am going to have support me, principles aside it is simply impossible, she can't afford to do that. I mentioned to the lady this and she said there's nothing they can do. I asked if it would be different if I told her she was just a friend, and she just said "well is she on the tenacy agreement?" which of course she is, and left it at that.

My question is this: 1) How can they quantify a girlfriend as a partner when there is no legal basis for what that even means?

2) If I submit an application under "No partners", and class her simply as my friend, is this benefit fraud?

3) Could they use that phonecall I just made as evidence?
>> No. 11656 Anonymous
1st November 2017
Wednesday 4:09 pm
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>>11655
On the turn2us website, if I class her as simply a joint-tenant I am entitled to £900 odd a month apparently.
>> No. 11657 Anonymous
1st November 2017
Wednesday 5:50 pm
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>>11656
In cases where there's a man and a woman of similar age living together and claiming joint tenancy, the council will sometimes send someone around to see if they're a couple (theoretically this applies to any pairs of joint tenants, but I doubt many gay couples ever get hassled). If you have two bedrooms and one is a double bed while the other's full of boxes and a spare mattress then they aren't going to be fooled. They'll expect to see two totally separate bedrooms that are obviously in individual use.

If they do start paying you and then find you out later they'll certainly send you a bill to recover however much they've given you during that period (it's on you to tell them if your circumstances change, i.e. you becoming a couple. "We became boyfriend and girlfriend last month, honest" likely won't wash - I'd expect them to ask for the full amount). Don't know if there's a fine on top.
>> No. 11661 Anonymous
4th November 2017
Saturday 8:47 pm
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>>11657
Wouldn't the council have to get permission from a court in order to have the right to enter the property to check this?
>> No. 11662 Anonymous
4th November 2017
Saturday 10:40 pm
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>>11661
No, they just come around. Same deal with social workers; they can poke around and ask to come in and you can refuse, but if you refuse them entry they will escalate the case, and that involves the police etc. and a court order eventually. Since they are in the position of power, fucking with them like this won't end well.

In >>11655's case the council might also consider refusal to enter as circumstantial evidence of being a couple and refuse to accept joint tenancy status until you let them in. Basically, you have to play by their rules if you want benefits.
>> No. 11663 Anonymous
5th November 2017
Sunday 10:44 am
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Any of you ladchaps know anything about Bennys and Compo payments?
>> No. 11664 Anonymous
5th November 2017
Sunday 10:47 am
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>>11662
>the council might also consider refusal to enter as circumstantial evidence of being a couple
Do you know for a fact that that is legal?
>> No. 11672 Anonymous
21st November 2017
Tuesday 6:24 pm
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I'm on the verge of ending my decade-long unemployment spell but if my employer can't grease the wheels and make a formal offer before Universal Credit comes in next month I'm gonna lose out. And if they offer me fewer hours it just gets worse. Thanks for helping me into work Theresa.
>> No. 11673 Anonymous
21st November 2017
Tuesday 11:21 pm
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>>11672
I cant see UC ever making it completely out of the blocks. Way too much uproar over it nowadays. Even the Tory Rags are slamming it.
>> No. 11674 Anonymous
22nd November 2017
Wednesday 7:55 am
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Credit For All will be fine, though.
>> No. 11787 Anonymous
29th December 2017
Friday 11:30 am
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Haven't been paid "muh dole" for tomorrow, guess it's time to argue on the phone.
>> No. 12123 Anonymous
23rd March 2018
Friday 11:28 pm
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Basic income when?
>> No. 12124 Anonymous
23rd March 2018
Friday 11:55 pm
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>>12123
When the Greens get into power.

It's a double breasted grey overcoat?
>> No. 12125 Anonymous
23rd March 2018
Friday 11:57 pm
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>>12124
Local elections in May, you know.
>> No. 12229 Anonymous
25th April 2018
Wednesday 4:55 pm
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>>4012
I've been disabled for the last couple of years, something I'm working on resolving, but I sometimes wonder how the DWP even functions.

They just called me, off their own back I didn't call them, to tell me that since fucking October I have been getting £75 a week LESS than I should have been (despite me questioning the amount at the time and informing them I thought it was a mistake) and they're chucking me an arrears payment of over £1200. How does a mistake that glaring go unnoticed for so long and who even noticed that it was wrong? Do they periodically assess claims? Bizarre.
>> No. 12230 Anonymous
25th April 2018
Wednesday 10:29 pm
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>>12229

My deadbeat dad briefly worked for the DHSS back in the early 70s. Nobody bothered to tell him what his job entailed, he was just shown to a desk with a massive pile of forms on it. After fruitlessly spending all day trying to find out what he was supposed to do with these forms, he just shoved them down the back of the desk and went home. Next day, new pile of forms, same routine. He quit after three weeks, because he had run out of places to hide the forms.

I imagine that little has changed at the DWP, except the pile of forms is now a massive Excel spreadsheet that takes nine minutes to load and crashes whenever you try and scroll right.
>> No. 12231 Anonymous
25th April 2018
Wednesday 11:26 pm
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>>12229

I've long fantasized that we could sack every single person who works for the DWP, bring in a universal income, and still save money in the long run. Useless cunts the lot of them.
>> No. 12516 Anonymous
9th August 2018
Thursday 12:44 am
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>>12231
Unfortunately that would require the admin costs to be 110x higher than they currently are.
>> No. 12756 Anonymous
26th November 2018
Monday 9:22 pm
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ESA Decision came back today.
Gone from Support group to 0 points for anything.
Another DWP Miracle cure! For fucks sake.
>> No. 12757 Anonymous
26th November 2018
Monday 11:29 pm
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>>12756
How on earth?

Please tell me you didn't go to the interview alone? You did, didn't you? Appeal it. Assuming you had doctors evidence, they shouldn't have a leg to stand on. Not having a corroborating witness is fucking naive, at best, though mate.
>> No. 12759 Anonymous
27th November 2018
Tuesday 12:22 am
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>>12757
Nope, was with the missus.
I'm waiting on their report now to see how big the lies are and how many times they can contradict themselves on each page.

I swear it's DWP Policy to kick you off every time just to catch out the people who don't fight it.
>> No. 12760 Anonymous
27th November 2018
Tuesday 12:42 am
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>>12759
Is your missus a qualified advocate or health care professional? Did she take notes? I took my support worker and a folder full of consultant/GP letters with me, he took notes while I recorded it (you aren't obligated to tell them you're recording, if you do they'll terminate the interview though) which I told them after we had finished and I was leaving and I got a very reticent letter saying I wouldn't need to go back for an assessment for 3 years.

I hope you get it sorted, the tribunal aren't affiliated with DWP. 60%+ of appeals are successful, which is a shocking margin of error. You could forgive 5% for human error, but 60% is an agenda.
>> No. 12761 Anonymous
27th November 2018
Tuesday 1:08 am
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>>12760
We took what little evidence we could dig up, the GP's have essentially given up and left me to tramadoll and diazepam, refusing to put me forward for any more scans etc.

had the same issue when first applied for ESA in 2012, no points, placed in WRAG at appeal, then moved to support next time round.

Thing is, i'm waiting on the result of my PIP review at the moment too. I can see that being knocked on the head too.

At the moment we still have that and carers allowance coming in, plus Child Benefit & Child Tax Credit for the lad, though being knocked off ESA has taken his free childcare hours away, but if they take the PIP that takes the money, the carers allowance, the motability car and generally any hope of a credible day to day life.
>> No. 12773 Anonymous
2nd December 2018
Sunday 10:24 am
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>>12760

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/418925/wca-audio-recording-policy-march_2015.pdf


A recording made with your Iphone or similar equipment has no legal value, since the file could be tampered with. I am due for an assessment on day 15 and I am quite worried, my condition is permanent but I have been on ESA for two years. I fear that those assholes will declare me "fit to work" and hope that I croak for an heart attack the moment I receive the letter. I am switching to UC, I hope that they do not fuck me over. I cannot lift anything bigger than a cup of tea and I cannot walk more than 100 meters.

Strangely, my first assessment involved no medical exam. I just brought my extensive medical documentation, chatted a bit with an assessor, got my blood pressure checked and went on my way. Were you medically examined by the assessor?
>> No. 12774 Anonymous
2nd December 2018
Sunday 11:20 am
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>>12773

>A recording made with your Iphone or similar equipment has no legal value

Does that matter outside of court? They might not know that anyway.
>> No. 12775 Anonymous
2nd December 2018
Sunday 11:46 am
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>>12774

It's just the DWP being awkward cunts. It's not hard to prove the integrity of a digital audio recording; the DWP have just made a set of rules that are superficially reasonable, but a pain in the arse for most people to comply with. How many ESA claimants have the facilities to make a recording directly to cassette or CD and then provide two copies immediately?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-20629671
>> No. 12776 Anonymous
2nd December 2018
Sunday 3:10 pm
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>>12775

It's standard practice in cyber forensic. No court would accept a piece of evidence that could have been tampered with. The usual procedure is:

A) Take the recording
B) Put it through a cryptographic MD5 hash function.
C) Give a copy of the hash value to the person that has been recorded.
D) Bring a copy of the recording to the lab and study it.

This way, you cannot even modify a single bit of the recording without the hash value changing. Any change in the hash value invalidates the piece of evidence.
>> No. 12778 Anonymous
2nd December 2018
Sunday 3:14 pm
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>>12776
> MD5
lad
>> No. 12779 Anonymous
2nd December 2018
Sunday 4:47 pm
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>>12778
Go on.
>> No. 12780 Anonymous
2nd December 2018
Sunday 4:57 pm
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>>12779
MD5 isn't secure, as people have found ways to modify inputs to give the same output.
>> No. 12781 Anonymous
2nd December 2018
Sunday 5:13 pm
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>>12780
You're confusing collisions with preimage attacks.
>> No. 12782 Anonymous
2nd December 2018
Sunday 5:13 pm
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>>12773
>100 meters
20, lad. Tell them you can't walk more than 20. Trust me.
>> No. 12783 Anonymous
8th December 2018
Saturday 10:12 am
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>>12782

No problem, if I stay 2 days without taking 'prol and 'mide I am unable to walk 20 meters without gasping for air.

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