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>> No. 4012 Anonymous
14th December 2012
Friday 9:36 am
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Applying for JSA links
http://pastebin.com/5vJCh4HQ
http://www.urban75.com/Action/Jsa/jsa2.html
Both are a little out of date.
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>> No. 9132 Anonymous
20th December 2015
Sunday 2:49 pm
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Anyone have experience of Universal Credit?
>> No. 9133 Anonymous
20th December 2015
Sunday 6:05 pm
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>>9132
I don't even understand what the fuck it is. Because it's a Tory policy I'm trying to see through the smoke and mirrors to see the real reason this is being introduced but I can't find it yet.
>> No. 9137 Anonymous
21st December 2015
Monday 2:24 am
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>>9133

In theory, UC consolidates six confusing and overly complicated benefit schemes into one simple benefit scheme. It's currently a complete clusterfuck, because the old and new systems are running in parallel.
>> No. 9138 Anonymous
21st December 2015
Monday 2:50 am
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>>9137
>In theory, UC consolidates six confusing and overly complicated benefit schemes into one simple benefit scheme.
In practice, UC consolidates six confusing and overly complicated benefit schemes into one confusing and overly complicated benefit scheme.

Really, lad. That was an open goal. How could you miss it?
>> No. 9397 Anonymous
24th February 2016
Wednesday 2:56 pm
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Good afternoon chaps and chapettes, I've started getting calls from a Back to Work provider, namely Maximus/Job Company, constantly nagging me to provide my payslips to them as proof that I am still working and, as they claim, for auditing purposes.

I'm just wondering if I am under any compulsion at all to provide such evidence, presumably so they can get their ill-gotten money from the DWP for shoving their fingers up their arses and not really helping anybody find work at all. It's the second time they've rang me in the last 4 weeks, and the last time they rang me was back in November when they promised me that it would be the last time they would ever ring me up.

Any tips?
>> No. 9477 Anonymous
14th March 2016
Monday 3:58 am
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>>9397

Assuming you didn't sign some sort of contract with them agreeing to supply them with such proof, you definitely have no obligation.

I wouldn't show any company my payslip. I wouldn't even disclose my salary to anyone let alone have them nose through every penny I earn and where it goes.
>> No. 9478 Anonymous
14th March 2016
Monday 4:00 am
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>>9477

As for tips, just remind them next time they call that you're not willing to supply them with such sensitive information, particularly since (it sounds like) they didn't even help you to get the job you're in.

Alternatively tell them you won the pools and have retired to the Algarve.
>> No. 9776 Anonymous
25th April 2016
Monday 12:05 am
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>>9478
ARe the pools even a thing nowadays? My Dad used to do Spot the Ball.
>> No. 9777 Anonymous
25th April 2016
Monday 1:23 am
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So when it comes to ESA, are they more lax with the support group than the descriptors would make it seem, or is "oh, and I'm suicidal, I'll probably kill myself if you put me on work related activity" the only ticket for someone who's not completely disabled?

I've a wonderful mish-mash of depression, anxiety and tism, but I'm not suicidal. From every way I read the descriptors that means I'm in the work related activity group because while I've got a nice mix of limitations, none of them are the max score in their category which = no support group.

Which means I'm fucked because there's no way I can do work related activity. I only leave the house for food and the occasional hospital appointment, and even then it's usually hours after I planned to do it or an isolated instance. There's no fucking way I could reliably turn up to work or work related activity (Even if just a weekly meeting), even if my body is physically capable of it.

Am I fucked if I'm honest with them that I'm too fucked to work, but don't want to die?

I haven't even started applying yet and this really puts me off, but actually having some kind of income would be nice.
>> No. 9778 Anonymous
27th April 2016
Wednesday 10:16 am
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>>9777
Get help from welfare rights from the first pen on the page of he form, to the decision. Clue yourself up on how the descriptors wok etc. Sometimes saying he same thin in a different way can make the difference between 3 points and 0.
>> No. 9843 Anonymous
1st May 2016
Sunday 12:27 pm
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>>9778
I'm working on that

My problem is that from what I read, you need at least a 15 in one descriptor or a serious risk to your mental/physical well-being (what i interpreted as "suicidal") to get put into the support group, otherwise you'll be put in work related activity.

Which leaves me thinking I've managed to fall into a crack where work-related-activity isn't viable, but I don't qualify for support group.
>> No. 9844 Anonymous
1st May 2016
Sunday 5:02 pm
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>>9843

You aren't quite correct in thinking that you need 15 points in one descriptor to be placed in the support group. There are actually two separate assessments - the "capability for work assessment" and the "capability for work-related activity assessment". They have subtly different criteria, but they are both based on your functional capability. Being suicidal doesn't necessarily stop you from turning up at work, so it doesn't qualify you for ESA in itself.

You are unlikely to qualify for the support group. If you're capable of applying for ESA and attending the assessment without substantial assistance, you're pretty much automatically deemed capable of taking part in work-related activity. A clever welfare advisor might be able to argue that you qualify, but I wouldn't bet on it.

Consider applying for ESA anyway and having a go at participating in the work-related activity group. I know what it's like to be seriously mentally ill. I was a homeless alcoholic for a substantial period in my youth. Things don't get better with time, you have to actively work towards recovery. Narrowing down your experiences temporarily alleviates your anxiety, but it just makes it worse in the long term. The less you do, the more anxious you feel about doing things. You get trapped in an anxiety-avoidance-anxiety cycle until your life narrows down to nothing. In my case, that nothingness was a dirty sleeping bag and a can of K Cider.

I think you can attend a WRAG meeting regularly. It might be an unpleasant experience, but you won't actually die. Your mind isn't incapable of getting you to that meeting. It's doing what it's supposed to do, which is to convince you to avoid painful stimulus. Unfortunately, it doesn't know the difference between unnecessary pain and pain that is a necessary part of growth. It takes conscious effort to experience that pain willingly.

Your current way of coping clearly isn't working for you. Are you willing to try something different?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o79_gmO5ppg

http://www.psychiatersenco.nl/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Get_Out_of_Your_Mind_and_Into_Your_Life_-_Steven_C._Hayes.pdf
>> No. 10015 Anonymous
4th June 2016
Saturday 9:35 am
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So I have been turning up to UC meetings and "signing on" (though apparently signing on doesn't exist under UC) for the past 5 weeks and I was due my first payment yesterday which didn't arrive. I rang up the centre and they claimed I was currently ineligible because I haven't proved that I don't have children to them, so they don't know if I'm eligible or not. So why didn't the spacker I've been going to see this last 5 weeks pipe up that something was fucking wrong and my payment will be delayed?
Luckily my zero hours employer has decided to give me a magnificent 8 hours a week while I look for something not totally shit.
>> No. 10020 Anonymous
4th June 2016
Saturday 1:07 pm
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>>10015

The general state of Universal Credit makes me rage whenever I hear about it and I've escaped to full time work.

It's a fucking disgrace.
>> No. 10023 Anonymous
4th June 2016
Saturday 6:55 pm
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>>10020
It's ridiculous. In this past week I've earnt enough from seasonal work to not be eligible for any payouts at all, which I am fine with, but I will still be forced to attend meetings for no reason other than finding a reason to slap a £50 fine on non-attendance. It's just last month's money when I was absolutely flat broke that I am due now, but they can't seem to get that right.

Talk about "simplifying" the benefits system, it's been a total mess from day one and an expensive one to boot.
>> No. 10026 Anonymous
4th June 2016
Saturday 11:02 pm
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>>10023
Universal Credit seems to have done its job of taking six over-complicated incomprehensible benefits and merging them into one over-complicated incomprehensible benefit.
>> No. 10084 Anonymous
19th June 2016
Sunday 8:05 pm
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The Missus just went for her ESA assessment.
No doubt it'll be a 0 points jobby, a failed mandatory reconsideration and then a 6 month wait for a tribunal date. last time she went from 0 to 18 points.
>> No. 10133 Anonymous
11th July 2016
Monday 9:09 pm
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>>10084
In a completely unexpected turn of events, she's been put right into the support group. Only for 6 months though.
>> No. 10134 Anonymous
11th July 2016
Monday 9:49 pm
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>>10133

That'll just be to see if her condition improves. I have a chronic illness and haven't heard from them in nearly 2 years. I just handed them all my consultant's letters and answered the questions and that was it; silence ever since.
>> No. 10135 Anonymous
11th July 2016
Monday 10:41 pm
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>>10134
I wish they'd just fuck off and leave her be. It's been a real hell for her since the day the form came through and a big relief today, albeit tinged with the fear of having to go through it all again so soon.
>> No. 10411 Anonymous
29th August 2016
Monday 9:24 am
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What does 'change of condition' actually mean?
I've been claiming ESA for roughly 4 years and my day to day life has become easier as a result, significantly so over the past 2 years since I've adjusted my worldview. All in all I am much better now than when I applied for ESA.
What I don't understand is if my condition has changed, and therefore need to re-apply/assess for benefit. Every time a review (or whatever the terminology is) come up I feel very guilty and have to justify my claim.
I feel it is the support of ESA that allows me to live a reasonably stable life, without which I would soon fall back into the shit I once was (I have actually experienced this, its not just an idea).

For the most part I've found honesty the best policy when talking with ESA staff, but with each note they take regarding my comments my confidence fails and I wonder if I'm digging myself deeper into a hole, if I'm sending myself back to the start were I'd consider desperate options.

I want to say this to during my meetings but I'm too scared, should it affect my benefit.
>> No. 10426 Anonymous
2nd September 2016
Friday 12:08 am
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>>10411
If you want to stay on ESA, NEVER EVER mention anything about feeling better. Do not assume an assessor to have common sense or sympathy.
>> No. 10427 Anonymous
2nd September 2016
Friday 12:51 am
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>>10411
From the sounds of it, you are coping better with your condition now but your condition itself hasn't changed. If this is correct, then don't say that your condition has improved to the ESA staff.
>> No. 10462 Anonymous
13th September 2016
Tuesday 1:26 pm
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Universal Credit is bloody brilliant, innit. Been getting a stonking great penny a month since May and now I don't even get to live off such generous largesse now my pay has gone up and I'm more or less full time again (seasonal work). Still get made to go in every fortnight at the expense of my own time and bus fare, even though I'm working at least 25 hour weeks (much of it overtime for unsociable hours) and there is absolutely no remuneration for upholding my end of the bargain.
I can't just "quit" because "it doesn't work like that" and apparently signing on doesn't exist anymore, so signing off is also not an option.
I can understand the idea behind it, but you get suckered into having someone having a detailed nosey at your income, earnings, your schedule etc. way past you're reaping any kind of benefit.
>> No. 10468 Anonymous
17th September 2016
Saturday 12:11 am
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>>10462
Not long fella and they'll be threatening you if you dont hammer away looking for a job with more hours.
>> No. 10474 Anonymous
25th September 2016
Sunday 12:02 pm
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>>10468

An interesting development. I rang up the centre and asked to close my claim and they did within minites. So much for all the coercion and what turned out to be hollow threats.
>> No. 10693 Anonymous
30th October 2016
Sunday 4:55 pm
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>>10084
And now arrives for the for renewal for fucks sake.
>> No. 10793 Anonymous
1st December 2016
Thursday 9:31 pm
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I rang up and signed off universal credit in September. Got paid in November , thought great, they must just be paying my remaining money for the last month. But I've just been paid £500 as of today. I even worked the entire last month. Although having said that a few days ago I sent in a claim for UC , although I haven't received an interview date or any contact whatsoever. Is this for my new claim? It can't be can it? Or is this some error on behalf of my old?
>> No. 10794 Anonymous
1st December 2016
Thursday 9:47 pm
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>>10793

I was also on sanction 'pay' for the last few months. Could they be totting up the -50% Pay I was on and giving it to me?
>> No. 11084 Anonymous
17th February 2017
Friday 11:49 am
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This is a huge thread so I'm not sure if it's been covered before, did a quick ctrl+f but found nothing. I've recently gotten back into the country and was away for sometime. I'm a UK citizen but now I'm looking for work again and I have a sign on date for Monday, they have however just called me asking if I can come in early to fill out some other forms since I was out of the country for a while. All I can seem to find on Google is something about a habitual residency test and also a news article about a bunch of people not being able to sign on for 3 months after being out of the country.

Anyone know any more about this or been through it? Am I fucked for 3 months? Obviously I'm still going to look for work on my own and already am, but it's slim pickings around here as it is.
>> No. 11093 Anonymous
18th February 2017
Saturday 9:33 pm
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>>11084 when did you last pay tax or NI contributions?
>> No. 11094 Anonymous
18th February 2017
Saturday 9:48 pm
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>>11093
Most likely 2015 as I was away for the majority of 2016.
>> No. 11160 Anonymous
4th March 2017
Saturday 4:02 pm
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>>11084
So I don't know if anyone was paying attention to this but I just got several letters through (Why not just one?) saying that I'm not entitled to Jobseekers Allowance because "the law says we cannot pay you". Which law? Don't know. Why? No idea. Apparently I have to get on their asses to actually get an explanation. Luckily I have some savings and family to stay with, otherwise I'd be out on the streets.
>> No. 11161 Anonymous
4th March 2017
Saturday 5:21 pm
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>>11160

If you were working outside the EEA, you can be declared "Not Habitually Resident"; you will not be entitled to claim benefits until you have been habitually resident in the EEA for at least 90 days. If you were working outside the UK but within the EEA, you will be entitled to benefits immediately (Swaddling v. Adjudication Officer).

If you were working within the EEA, you should appeal, giving evidence of where you were working. Assuming you are otherwise entitled to benefits, you should receive JSA backdated to your original claim date. If you were working outside the EEA, you should probably still appeal, although you might be on a sticky wicket.
>> No. 11162 Anonymous
5th March 2017
Sunday 2:56 am
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>>11161
Well that's bloody daft.
>> No. 11171 Anonymous
6th March 2017
Monday 6:27 am
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>>11160

Just don't expect council housing lad.

Trust I, don't even bother applying for 6 months. And then expect to be told to fuck off.
>> No. 11261 Anonymous
18th April 2017
Tuesday 7:28 pm
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Got my Universal Credit interview on Thursday, I'm going to break my vow of never returning to the job centre.
>> No. 11262 Anonymous
18th April 2017
Tuesday 8:45 pm
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>>11261

Good luck, mate. You're going to bloody well need it.
>> No. 11263 Anonymous
18th April 2017
Tuesday 10:54 pm
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>>11261
Expect no money for 2 months and then irregular ever changing amounts afterwards.
>> No. 11264 Anonymous
18th April 2017
Tuesday 11:30 pm
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>>11263
I left my last job so I'm already expecting no money for a while, Only really going on it so I have proof I was doing something inbetween the gap of unemployment.
I wouldn't have signed on at all otherwise, I hardly need CV writing lessons or to be locked in a room with a bunch of chavs and made to look at jobsites for a few hours.
>> No. 11265 Anonymous
20th April 2017
Thursday 11:33 am
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>>11264
I'm in a job club! 3 days a week for a month I'm expected to attend a 1 hour session with a bunch of mouth breathers on how to write CV's, apply for jobs and other bullshit I already know how to do.
Some daft bint wants to talk to me about how the YMCA can help me too, I agreed to talk to her and next thing I know I'm being told to signed all kinds of shit.
>> No. 11266 Anonymous
20th April 2017
Thursday 10:31 pm
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>>11265

You sound like a wanker.
>> No. 11267 Anonymous
21st April 2017
Friday 12:33 pm
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>>11266
Maybe, The last time I signed on was 7 years ago and back then I was an unexperienced herbert so I was expecting to be treated like one.
I've been going from job to job moving up for the past few years and I know all the do's and dont's, how to write a CV, how to dress for Interviews and how to deal with them, all that stuff. So when I'm told I'm going to have to waste my time with stuff I already know it's understandable why I'll become cuntish.
I know they're only trying to help but I'm hardly some tracksuit wearing chav stinking of booze unwilling to look for work. As said I'm only really on it so I have a record I was doing something, I'm not going to be jumping through all their hoops this time.
>> No. 11274 Anonymous
21st April 2017
Friday 7:46 pm
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>>11267
Why are you unemployed if you know so much?
>> No. 11275 Anonymous
21st April 2017
Friday 10:48 pm
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>>11274
Because no one will believe the answer to life the universe and everything even if I told them.
>> No. 11276 Anonymous
21st April 2017
Friday 10:55 pm
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>>11275
Yeah, it is difficult to believe homeless alcoholic men.
>> No. 11585 Anonymous
24th August 2017
Thursday 9:52 pm
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>>4012
Had a PIP payment out of the blue of £1600.
Turns out the reassessment I had months ago has put me in the Standard Daily and Enchanced Mobility, instead of just Standard Daily and no Mobility.

The system works sometimes.
>> No. 11586 Anonymous
29th August 2017
Tuesday 11:46 am
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>>11585
How will you be using the money?
>> No. 11587 Anonymous
29th August 2017
Tuesday 11:53 am
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>>11586

I need to pay off my plasma screen from Brighthouse and I'm buying us all a takeaway as a treat.
>> No. 11589 Anonymous
29th August 2017
Tuesday 6:43 pm
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>>11587
Don't make fun of the lad. He's not necessarily retarded just because he receives PIP.

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