>>97997
It's what the anti-drug British public deserve.

So they went and promised to do a load of other things with the HS2 money itself. Within a day they've cancelled most of those, because they realised that the HS2 money was coming from HS2 itself, and without committing to building the rest of HS2, there is no HS2 money to spend elsewhere.

Well done, everyone. Great job.

>>97999
I have seen three or four times on Facebook that one of their promises was to extend the Manchester Metrolink as far as Manchester Airport. It has been going to Manchester Airport since 2014. Some Conservatives probably took it home from the conference, although I live on the route and it goes through arguably the grimmest parts of south Manchester, so perhaps they didn't.

>>97998

Drinking is obviously bad for you, but at some point you really have to start asking what kind of world those health advocates are envisioning for us. Fine, smoking is probably the single worst thing you can do to your health besides taking hard drugs. But loads of people go their entire lives just having an occasional social drink, and it has no real effect on their health, and they also never become alcoholics from it. So it's not the same.

Slippery slope arguments are often a bit silly, but if you really force people to give up anything and everything that has bad health effects, then before long we'll all live to 100 but we'll all be bored out of our fucking minds because all the fun things will be banned.

I looked up the joke that Rishi Sunak told about Nicola Sturgeon, which apparently got him investigated by the police. It's not offensive at all. No wonder the police took no further action.

>>98001

>at some point you really have to start asking what kind of world those health advocates are envisioning for us.

A fucking boring one whichever way you look at it.

I've never liked banning things, I'm prepared to accept it in the case of things like guns, but even then I think the hoops you have to jump through to even take up shooting as a hobby are way over the top. We're really not allowed to do fucking anything in this country.

When you scroll through the dating apps and all you see is people walking around the Lake District or climbing a wall, it's because those are the only kinds of fun we're allowed. Unless you're really rich, of course, then you can have a horse or a classic car for track days or whatever.

Fundamentally it's just because all they want us to do is work, eat, sleep, and repeat. Play a bit of your meaningless playstation skinner box when the existential dread gets too much.

>>98002
Where do you get your news, ladm9? Facebook? It wasn't reported to the police because it might cause offense, but because it might have been in contempt of court, according to a bloke from the Alba party anyway.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/oct/04/rishi-sunak-reported-to-scottish-police-over-joke-about-nicola-sturgeon

>>98003

>Fundamentally it's just because all they want us to do is work, eat, sleep, and repeat.

That's probably true. And I think it has a lot to do with American-style capitalism dominating the world, with its Protestant conservative work ethic demanding you put all your efforts in life towards work, and where living healthy isn't a choice but becomes dictate, and idle time is wasted time. All the while ignoring the fact that excessive work itself is bad for your health. Perhaps even treating work-related illness as a badge of honour. Your health is fucked, but hey, at least you were working your arse off.

To be fair, communist or socialist countries and societies were almost as obsessed with work. But for different reasons. You were gaslighted by state propaganda into believing that you were working for the advancement of socialism. I guess under capitalism, it's more about forcing the illusion of personal success of the individual, which we're given to believe is only actualised through work, and lots of it.

>>98005

Working yourself to the death for the prosperity of one's brothers and sisters is infinitely preferable to working yourself to death for the capitalist overlords, comrade.

I have hopes that AI and automation in general will impact the economy significantly enough that The Powers That Be are forced to reassess this arbeit macht frei mindset, and realign our lives around everyone working less, and even optional employment altogether, or else there will be nobody left to buy their plastic tat and the system will collapse. But I think we're going to see a lot of growing pains before that point.

>>98006

>Working yourself to the death for the prosperity of one's brothers and sisters

But were you. Most Communist Bloc countries were years behind the West with their basic standard of living, technical infrastructure and all kinds of other things, and most work was massively inefficient. You had to queue for hours for a pound of bananas. If they had them that one day every other month. While the elites and the intelligentsia behind closed doors pretty much led a Western lifestyle, where they had access to everything that the ordinary people didn't.

Capitalism is just as full of shit as socialism, if we're honest. But under capitalism, at least you get to have a 40'' TV, holidays in the Costas and two late-model cars in the driveway of your four-bedroom. If you're willing to work hard.

>>98007
>But under capitalism, at least you get to have a 40'' TV, holidays in the Costas and two late-model cars in the driveway of your four-bedroom.

You're doing pretty fucking well if you've got a four bed house, two cars, and foreign holidays. More likely you get to share a flat in an overcrowded city.

>>98005
>>98006
>>98007
Lads, have you really never heard "they pretend to pay us, we pretend to work"? Marxist ideology was based on workers consciousness but even during the time of Marx it was being picked apart as a load of bollocks that was the ideological framework to put people in chains. Outside of swivel-eyed loons everyone knew it was a joke.

And Americans generally have a lot more freedom than us to smoke weed, shoot guns and have fun. They're also a lot more paranoid of the state, corporations less so but nobody wants to deal with the Swedish police listening in on everything and making you queue at the state approved alcohol store that shuts early. There's a puritan streak to Anglo-American culture but it is nowhere near as bad as our comparators and while Catholics gets more parties you also have the church.

>>98008

>You're doing pretty fucking well if you've got a four bed house, two cars, and foreign holidays.

Your cars are likely financed, and you've got a huge mortgage on your house. And both your cars and your house will disappear into thin air if you're out of work for too long.

In a funny way, you have more (and better) things in capitalism, but you actually own fewer of them compared to socialism.

Suella de Vil.

>>98011
... is getting the sack. It's probably not a big deal, she'll be back in six days. That's actually exactly how we should deal with the constant political dysfunction, just turn it all into a calcified festival of nonsense. I think someone had this idea years ago, back when Maybot was having a meltdown and kept bringing the same Brexit legislation to parliament knowing it wouldn't pass.

So, quite apart from having the first Home Secretary to know what a Fiend of Slaanesh is in James Cleverly, is this "reshuffle" a big enough kick in the face to the more extreme wing of the party to cause another civil war? I really hope so. I just want them to suffer.

>>98100
I think we're about to find out what austerity really means as an olive branch to the Truss wing. Jeremy Hunt has previously praised Cameron's ability to get the public to accept it.

>>98098
Who is the woman on the right of Olive Oyl?

>>98103
Her right or our right? I think the women either side of her might be Michelle Keegan or Michelle Donelan or whatever her name is, and the other one looks like Therese Coffey but I don’t think it’s actually her.

I’m helping.

>>98104
Her right. Thanks, lad.

>>98100

In a weird way it seems like they are moving in the correct direction as a party, and yet at the same time a direction that will make them even less electable than they already are.

Putting Cameron in as Foreign Secretary shows it perfectly. He's competent, he's relatively moderate, and he's a remainer. In theory it's a good idea, but the hardliners out there who somehow still support the Tories will see it as a sign of a plot to re-join the EU, put us in the Euro, and make everything metric.

And that's not even to mention the fact he's a Lord- If there's not a single better candidate amongst their elected MPs, they're not just scraping the bottom of the barrel, they've bored through it and they're several feet into the ground underneath.

How's it work when a cabinet member isn't actually in parliament anyway?

>>98106
The BBC website had a brief explainer on how it works. There’s no law that says you definitely have to be an MP to be a cabinet minister, and the last time this happened (I think it was Alec Douglas-Home in the 1970s), they hurriedly appointed him to the House of Lords and let him do it that way. But if David Cameron is a lord who has left politics, I don’t know if that means he’s in the House of Lords already or not.

>>98109
They're appointing him to the Lords to be Foreign Secretary.

Major, Blair, Brown and Johnson have not been elevated.

>>98110
Mad Nad must be madder than usual.

Maybe the last few years of ARE DAVE sitting in his shed smoking dope and listening to vinyl might have made him less of a twat.

>>98115
To be fair, he has presumably had real jobs in his time outside of politics. Maybe he's seething about life being an agonising dead end and forlorn hope too. Although I doubt any of his jobs were half as shit as mine is.

>>98116
>real jobs

Bollocks, as if he's done proper graft like shelf-stacking or call centre work. Most likely the worst he's done is fluffing the Head Prefect. And we've all done that, just for a laugh or an eighth of red seal.

>>98126
I think he's taking the piss.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/nov/13/greensill-scandal-david-cameron-cabinet

It's actually somewhat surprising how everything Cameron does turns into a cockup whether it be in business or his job as PM. His foreign adventures having included Libya, failing to get Parliament behind bombing Assad, cosying up to China and in his business life, er, cosying up to China and Saudi Arabia.

>>98127
>I think he's taking the piss.

You don't say. I've known he was a chancer ever since reading the revelations around him and towel-folder Gideon getting into politics JUST FOR A LARF. What with all of pigfucker's shenanigans and the mysterious unsolved British Museum heists, they're both clearly the fucking Starsky and Hutch of Politics.

Did you lads know this; Esther McVey, right, is a Liverpudlian and a Tory? She doesn't like to bring it up though, it's a personal thing for her.

>>98131
That's like two reasons to hate her.

>>98131
I must confess I did not know that her parents gave her up for foster care when she was born because they were so poor, then went and got her back when she was two. That does sound a tad grim; maybe she really could four-Yorkshiremen a couple of us at least. She's still awful, though. Pretty much all ghastly scrotes had horrible childhoods, and many of them don't join the Conservative Party, so it's really no excuse.

>>98131

And she's technically a "wool", since she was MP for Wirral West between may 2010 to march 2015. Imagine being voted in by people from West Kirby.

Suella Braverman's full resignation letter makes her sound like a mad bitch. But then, so does everything she says and writes, and it's got her this far. The whole thing is three pages long:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67416146

>I trusted you. It is generally agreed that my support was a pivotal factor in winning the leadership contest and thus enabling you to become prime minister.
I thought he lost the leadership contest though?

>>98148

She's basically the wrong sort of sociopath for Politics - an overt one. Should have taken notice of what Dorries (the other useless Scouse Tory) was saying about Gove, clearly the Mastermind of everything since he sneaked his way into Channel 4 - another enemy of Dorries. Anyway, with a bit of luck, we'll also get a book from Arse Uella chronicling the next greatest Anime Betrayal of our generation by her Idol.

>>98148
Technically Sunak didn't run against anyone in the 2022 October leadership campaign. However, in a fit of psychopathy Johnson returned to put his grubby feelers out and Mordaunt was almost going to run until it was obvious she wouldn't win, needlessly dragging out the second leadership contest that year. So whilst there wasn't a campaign in the usual sense, MPs did have to be convinced to make the lad with the tiny suits and tens-of-thousands of COVID-19 deaths on his hands PM.

As for Braverman's "resignation" letter, it sounds as if it's over the top for the Tory far-right once the judges have shitcanned the Rwanda plan. There is quite a bit of hoping and assuming on my part; hope that the Tories go completely ape and assuming that's what the judges rule tomorrow. Regardless, by next Chrismas I'm confident the entire battalion will be rotting in the mud.

When do you reckon the next leadership election will be?

>>98215
After the general election, I'm afraid. We've got Rishi till he loses. Let's face it: any Conservative MP that manages to hold onto their seat in the upcoming Labour landslide deserves to be party leader.

>>98226
Elf is a shit movie and I don't know why it's being spammed absolutely everywhere this year. It has to be a conspiracy. One that apparently goes all the way to the top.

>>98227

Sorry if this makes you feel old, but the people who watched that film as children are now old enough to be employed as social media campaign managers.

>>98227
It's the most recent Christmas perennial, I think. It has overtaken the Muppets Christmas Carol, which I haven't seen on TV once this year.

>>98228
Elf came out in 2003 so no, it's too old for that.

>>98230
They didn't necessarily watch it when it came out. The Great Escape came out in 1963, and that's on Channel 4 right now, teaching a whole new generation of children where the music from England matches comes from.

>>98227
I've never watched this fucking film because as far as I can tell the entire thing is Will Ferrell obnoxiously screaming in an elf suit. Yet it's constantly being pushed to me as a classic. Bizarre.

>>98232
It's a film which plays to his strengths, like Jack Black and School of Rock or Jim Carrey and The Mask/Ace Ventura. Take that as you will.

>>98227
I've watched it once.
I found it ok, but the cultlike following and the endless branded shite that pops up every year for it is baffling.

>>98234
>I found it ok

I've been avoiding having a meltdown in this thread after being forced to watch Elf last week whilst heavily under the influence. Don't push me.

>>98234

It's got to be a generational thing. I was a teenager when it came out, I must have been about 13-16 because it was during the era you'd still get knock off DVDs and we didn't have fast enough internet to just pirate everything ourselves yet. I'm guessing that puts me just too old to feel nostalgic for it, but people just a couple of years younger than me are smack bang in the age range.

Besides I have never liked Will Ferrel. He exemplifies everything bad about American humour, to me. It's very obvious humour that beats you over the head to make sure you get it, which I suppose isn't a problem for very dim, simple people, but puts me off because I'm the kind of cunt who likes Stewart Lee.

Young people these days are just like that, though, aren't they.

Has shakey Shapps started dying his hair?

Fucking hell, he's going to run for leader of the opposition by being Bojo-lite isn't he.